Nintendo Bans Online Services For Prominent Hacker's Switch Console

Ha! Good.

Good. Ban all hackers

We'll, at least he wasn't paying for the online.

Understandable. Even if hacking is very much legal, hackers don't have the right to complain if we were to go by N's EULA or Terms of Use. Sad for some but it is what it is. I doubt this will stop pirates (not hackers in general) but at least online services are restricted on them one way or another.

He can't have any complaints. Only has himself to blame.

Why is a person receiving an online ban for console hacking is classified as news worthy?

Ban them? I say give them jobs. Nintendo could use them to improve the poor security of its system and the mess that is the online service.

I think it's fair game for them to ban a hacked unit, but to ban an unhacked unit might be a bit overstepping.

@geox30 they kinda do with a bounty system for hacks. And its worked. The problem right now is that there is a hardware level hack that can only be fixed with a minor hardware revision, which is happening by the end of the year

Seems like its account based banning rather than console based banning like with the 3ds and wii u. His own stupid fault for using his main account for both systems.

Good.

@kepsux it seems they are banning the account instead of the system. So in other words don't use the same account for a hacked system. Keep your main account clean and use a different account for hacks.

@geox30 But how can you be so sure they won't leak any pertinent information regarding the hardware? Considering these hackers have a pretty decent following from the hacking scene. Usually NDAs doesn't cut it anymore.

@Howwy
Yeah I know, they cheaped out there too, by using a non custom, off the shelf, Tegra X1 with known vulnerabilities.

@YamAsereht Because it may mean a first in a series of bans on hackers. It may also be interesting to people here who were curious about hacking ever since it was revealed that VC is not coming to Switch.

Lol that's what you get.

I'd understand if they banned his hacked system, what terms of use is he breaking on the non hacked system? stupid.

Hackers are out there trying to give us what we've been wanting but Nintendo refuses to offer: cloud saves, virtual console, media playback, etc. and y'all acting like they're some kind of villain. Just because it opens the door to piracy doesn't mean every hacker is an advocate for stealing, they just want to take control of the hardware they bought. Obviously this outcome is the risk they take but it's sad seeing people with such a bitter view of well intentioned dudes who just like tinkering with tech and giving us more options.

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Oh wait... some people already are... LMAO

Delighted

We should all be banned

YES, I do think the ban is understandable. And YES, if I was in Nintendo's position I would not do anything differently.

@SpaceboyScreams Nintendo doesn't owe us those things. I could also say that i want games for free but nintendo doesn't offer them so i am allowed to hack the system. I know that's an extreme example but just because you want it doesn't mean you're entitled to get it. And i mean if you want a console with cloud saves just buy another one, it's not like nintendo promised something and didn't deliver. you knew well what the switch can and can't when you bought it. Still think it's [removed] from nintendo that they don't offer cloud saves but yeah no reason to hack the switch

Ban them all and take them to court.

If you miss features or don’t like the current system them don’t buy it. The hacking on the previous systems is the main reason we don’t have backup saves to memory cards and a functioning webbrowser.

If they don’t like it let them make their own system and their own AAA games. And with them being hackers I ‘m sure they won’t mind somebody opening up their system and pirating their stuff. It’s all about the extra features man! (Yeah, right)

Good, ban all hackers

They banned an unhacked system where the use of said console had strictly remained within the terms of the end user license agreement and then referred him to said agreement when he appealed to have the ban removed? There must be more to the story. I could understand them banning a hacked console but not an unhacked console.

I'm down with banning hacked systems, but one that hasn't been tinkered with is not cool. There was no infraction on that system so how is there a punishment?

It makes complete sense to me, you can't hack a console then continue leeching off their online service with the same user log-in and expect no repercussions.

@spaceboyscreams And they could tinker with custom-built PCs or raspberry pi's all day if they want. Stop pretending like hackers are selflessly bringing cloud saves to the system..they just want to get things that cost money, for free. The "Robin Hood" argument doesn't apply here, it's more "steal from developers, give to yourself".

If he makes a new account will he be able to log from his unhacked Switch or he will need to buy a new one? The ban is only software based or hardware as well?
If thats the case he only missed his purchases

He used his account on the hacked console and a non hacked system. Using his account on the hacked system breached the EULA so all his systems linked to that account were banned.

It comes with the territory.

When you hack, you're signing an agreement stating "I understand they're going to ban me from their online services, and voluntarily choose to pay that price".

That's why I bought a 2nd Switch for hacking.

@dimi the entire system is banned

Good

If you're gonna hack the console, you better pay the price!

Wanna hear something messed up about Switch hacking? I won't name the device but a new Switch hacking device is coming and the developers of it sell you licenses, so you can only hack one system per license!!! So they're quite happy cracking open the system for piracy but don't want you to pirate their work. Utter hypocrites!

Well, that's what you get for hacking!

Deserved.

Understandable and a potential outcome all hackers should understand may occur. Whilst the legality of modifying the console may be murky, to use services offered by Nintendo like the eShop, online play, etc you basically have to play by their rules. And if one of those is “don’t modify your console” then so be it. Its basically the same as having a dress code to enter somewhere.

As for the 2 systems but, its kinda like having 2 cars. You use the same license but if you follow the rules driving one and drive like a maniac in the other; their gonna take your license and deny driving either of them.

I was just surprised with how polite they were about it.

@Pizzapasta Yes that's Nintendo.

"Thank you for your Switch purchase, sorry we have to ban you. Please understand, you can no longer go online, but you will still received updates for your games. From now on please buy games from retail stores, you are banned from the eshop. Have a nice day!"

If you read the post in the link a little closer, they say that the console was hacked in the past. It just wasn't hacked anymore. This article should update yo point that out.

They aren't sure if they completely wiped any traces of the previous hack either. So all of the excitement over banning non-hacked systems can calm down for now.

@JaxonH If you had either cared to read the article in it's entirety or developed some semblance of reading comprehension throughout your upbringing, you may have realized that the subject of the article did buy two Switch consoles for that specific reason.

He was simply stupid enough to also associate his main account with the Switch that was ultimately hacked.

@SpaceboyScreams
But Nintendo never promised VC, cloudsave or media playback.

So we currently don’t have features such as a web browser, memory card backup, media play back & cloud saves because of hackers... yet hackers claim they are giving the people what the devs aren’t. Idiots!

@Jediheadband There's no need to be insulting. Besides, if you actually read the post this article is referencing, you would find out that the Switch in question was hacked in the past.

Good ban all hackers

@geox30 I agree with you. Google has been doing that for a few years now, and it is quite succesful. Nintendo should hire them for their next project.

@Cherkov There's also no need to be stupid, yet troves feel so inclined to be just that.

We are talking about this particular article here, genius. The one that, in no uncertain terms, states that the user claims this specific unit was NOT hacked.

@mantez @cloud36426 @Findonovan95 @SonOfVon @Howwy @Howwy @kepsux It turns out that the console that was banned was modified in the past. They just weren't running any hacks currently. There was an update in the gbatemp post clarifying this.

I've been trying to shed a tear reading the article but nothing.
It is probably mentioned somewhere in the T&C. He should be happy not to have bricked his switch trying to temper with it.

@Jediheadband That's why if you want the whole story, you have to follow those links at the end of the article. The article this post is referencing states that it was hacked in the past. It was an update to the original post, so maybe that info wasn't available when the article was written, but those are the facts now.

@Cherkov just read source since seeing your post earlier. Thanks for the clarification. Yes his system was at one point modified so therefore it is on him IMO. Hopefully they will update the article to reflect the update to the source. I am all for banning hacked consoles, but not a console that hasn't been hacked.

So toxic community, this hacker is intentionally put his console to a limit, investigating internals & playing on his own rules. I doubt he is in sorrow, more like is happy to find another wall which can be avoided later.

@Zyph EULAs still can't legally take away your rights, some time ago in Europe Niantic had to revert the ban of some Pokemon GO hackers because they had bought things in the game's shop. This will likely be the case with Switch: if you have bought games from the eshop and make a legal complaint because the ban makes them not accessible, it will be reverted

@SonOfVon Probably banned his non-hacked system because they (and all of us know) they'll do it again at some point or another. He had this coming.

Now if Nintendo could so something to make sure Pokémon on Switch is untouched by hackers - that'd be greeeeeeeat.

Think the ban is fine. If you wanna mod/hack your system you understand there are benefits & consequences. Can’t see how anyone could think this is unfair.

The ban hammer falls! 🔨

Whats to lose? Their online services are laughable at best. If they're that capable of hacking the system they can just pirate all the eshop "content" (which is also laughable).

Does that mean they can repeat what happened with the 3DS and transfer their stuff to an unhacked console and give the hacked one back to the game store?

I know the term hacking sounds more sinister but in reality he modified his consoles to subvert the original OS. Nintendo does have a right to ban him on-line as this can have an effect on the servers. This could create mass chaos if there were many modified consoles.

My understanding from some talk in the community is that Nintendo does have an answer for the system mod but it destroys game data and other things because it uses a self healing type of BIOS update so they have started over for a solution.

Good. Idiot.

@Wckdlink These aren't the main types of hacks being discussed. People hack the system to enable features that Nintendo has neglected to add, even with vast community feedback.

Banning secondary systems is a bit ridiculous. I know plenty of people that have hacked older systems to give new life to them. It would be a shame if they start banning new systems, like switch, from people that only hacked 3ds or Wii.

Nintendo has become a stale and uninteresting company. They release the same games each console, refuse to give a proper vc, recreate old games as new, and rarely create new franchises.

One should be allowed to hack their console all they wish, but Nintendo should be able to ban people from online services should they choose to do so. Far too many hacks have the potential to give people an unfair advantage. As we saw in the later days of the Wii U's limited online. I also remember hackers cheating in COD and Halo back on the Xbox 360 when I was in high school. Using aim bots and walk through walls or even under the map cheats.

It’s justifiable that they got banned. It doesn’t matter if it’s on a non hacked switch either. They violated rules and regulations and thus actions must be taken. Now I’m not saying Nintendo is not at fault either. They used a chip set that was easy to hack. Both parties are at fault but the user broke an agreement they accepted the rules and regulations.

What If you got Banned may loss your credit card that too bad.

@Jediheadband
Wow, are you always such an bootyhole for no reason whatsoever?

If you had any semblance of comprehension, you would see that I never said anything about him NOT buying 2 consoles. I simply shared my OWN personal experience. And in my own experience, I bought a second Switch to hack. Which has NOTHING TO DO with anything he did in the article.

Obviously if you're buying a second console, tying the same account to it completely defeats the purpose.

@8-Bit_Superman ok I will try to explain my line of thinking. If I PURCHASED two Nintendo Switch consoles they belong to ME, the way I see it is if I want to modify the system that I purchased then fine ban the modified console. I personally will not hack my console, but to ban a non hacked console is garbage. No one will change my mind on that. Would it be fair for Apple to kill your services on you iPhone because you jailbroke your iPad?

Wow, such a toxic community here.

This'll be just another reason to hurry up and develop ways to bypass any security checks for the console and be able to use online services freely. Think that won't happen? Keep dreaming while I browse and buy games from psn with my thoroughly hacked Vita.

Though, to be honest, he's not missing much at the moment.

@Natzore Hahah, this'll be hilarious if it happens. Bonus points of they also have to reimburse him for the time he has no access to the stuff he bought.

Cya
Raziel-chan

Play with fire and you get burnt. He knew what he was getting into.

I like yo hack my consoles. I often pirate a game try it out for a few hours then if I like it I buy it, but if I don't then I uninstall it and never play again. I mean you test drive a car before you buy it right. However if a company bans my console because I hacked it, they're right to do so. They are simply protecting themselves. HOWEVER banning a console that is not hacked just because I own it is BS. if the console is not a hacked console then they should not ban it. But if it is hacked they should block all access to it.

BANNED is everywhere such as Xbox One, Switch, PS4. But PC doesn't on Windows 10 it won't see pop up banned message or blue screen.

@electrolite77 You're pooping me right? Just because you're gargling the balls of Nintendo doesn't mean they'll take care of you. We? You the blind fanboy =/= we. The eshop is ports and a bunch of poopy indy games. The headliners are rehashes of old games and two decent original ones.

G O O D

Windows 10 doesn't banned. So what happen last time on Steam and VRCHAT account has been banned or kicked me out.

@electrolite77 So you checked off "I'm a fanboy tool in denial' off? Because you're a tool for sure.

I think this is overreach, and people need to understand that if Nintendo starts going on a witch hunt, you could always be next. Banning the hacked console is fine, but banning a console that hasn't been modified in any way is a bit unreasonable.

I once had a harassment and mass-reporting campaign against me on Steam; long story short, an ex of mine was good friends with the admins of the biggest(at the time) weeaboo group on Steam, she had them rally their members to harass me, I'd say something like "f off" and they'd mass-reporting every single instance like that they could find.

It led to a few bans that made my account inaccessible for a year or two. Kinda kicked me out of PC gaming. It would've been a permanent ban, but I talked them out of it and thankfully the heat was off me by then. When I returned, I totally-spitefully reported all the instances of the N word and the fa-word on their public comments section and got that group taken down. Booyah.

Anyways, account bans are devastating and it makes me uncomfortable to see it happen like this. Not cool. "First they came for the hackers, but I didn't care because I wasn't one..."

He he. That's what he gets. 😂

@Nookingtons 2. General Behaviour
a. Do not post - unless you have something useful to say; Only post when you have something meaningful to say or something that will contribute to the discussion.

@geox30 Nintendo were offering bounties for information from hackers that told them about potential hacks. Instead of doing that, these hackers released the information to the internet. Ironically, if he went to Nintendo, he would have received money, instead he gets banned.

The crazy part of this ban cutting off access to the eshop means he can no longer purchase games digitally. That pretty much is a means of jumpstarting piracy on any banned system.

+1 to the score for Nintento not knowing poo about online services. Possibly the worst variant of this move they could have done in this scenario.

"The Switch is completely compromised and there's nothing Nintendo can do about it!"

HAHA...Brilliant.

This reason never got banned Nintendo Switch.

1. Do not hack Custom Firmware you have newly License.
2. Do not add friends you might be block.
3. Never buy online service.
4. Do not post Inappropriate Content this Album.

I highly Recommend that stay offline game or standalone.
We wan't to be alone and you never to be friends to see you again.

that's all.

@SirAileron The system was already sold. They don't know about online services, but they know about money.

git gud at hacking, I guess?

although it's pretty hilarious reading all the Ninty fan boys in here all up in arms about hackers. One dude even suggesting throwing all hackers in jail LOL

@CptProtonX if they knew about money, they'd allow him to spend more money on the eshop, and to buy online services. The console itself nets a pittance compared to software and service sales.

This is some real BS, hands down. It's the same exact thing that happened with the Play Station 3 when someone hacked it, and this dude got sued for doing it to something he payed for in full!!! His own property. Then the US had to step in and stop Sony. Kudos to them. Hope they do the same to Nintendo.

SciresM also got banned. Btw, what is wrong with this community?? Hacking is legal. The hackers EXPECT to get banned. Thye probably have like 5 Switches each so THEY JUST DON'T CARE. If you don't agree with Hacking then just DEAL WITH IT.

@RichardZ oh boy, the more hackers they ban, someone's going to find a way to rewrite the serial numbers on the consoles, probably. I can't wait to see how the scene unfolds in response to Nintendo's amateur hour tantrums.

@RichardZ did you try create another Account.

Understandable? Such bans are the basic thing you usually expect a company like Nintendo to do in the first place, and they're completely within their right.

And so much for the "I'll buy another Switch to hack" plans I've read many make, I guess. ¯(ツ)/¯

@nolil What?

Track them. Ban them. I like that.

@RichardZ You Never got Banned, Just try with your create another Account. Before backup then transfer to save another user.

LOL!, what "online service"?.

Honestly - the "hackers" will probably have a better service than Nintendo by the time they done. It will be like the #1 reason to hack your Switch.

What happen if I got banned account may loss your reward gold points is much special discount. Be honest I never being Hack.

These comments are killing me!! I see so many people saying yeah ban all the systems because he is a hacker and will hack again!!! Y'all ever watch Minority Report?? To pusnish someone because they have the ability to do so is outrageous! While the system in question was at one time modified I support Nintendo in banning said system, but will never agree to banning a person because they have another hacked system they paid for! What I'm hearing is that everyone who has a car that can break the speed limit and who have had a speeding ticket before needs to have their license taken away. Some people will lay down and let anything happen.

Wow, such an extremist community, reading some reactions here really makes me feel sick.
Why do people here hate the homebrew scene so much? Were their candies "stolen"?

@Howwy has it been announced as coming later this year, or is the public still running on pure assumptions that the hackers discovered the hardware flaw earlier than Nintendo did?

Well don't violate your EULA and you are good to go.

I never understand why people get mad at the "evil corporations" for not wanting their products, which come from manhours money and copyrights to be stolen and/or modified and that they are willing to limit access to their services when you do that. It is a ban, no one went to his house and took the switch back, he hasn't been sued or fined...but he was punished for violating the EULA for the device. If you want to make something that does everything make your own product (and your own games, and software...have fun with that) and no harm no foul. Companies owe you nothing, don't like their terms, you don't have to buy their product. But don't act like you have the moral high ground just because it is an individual involved and not a company. If Nintendo modified a competitors product folks would want them shut down but if an individual does it he is somehow supposed to be a hero. Call a spade a spade, y'all.

see, that's a big dumb waste of everyone's time.

Quagsire can just format the console, sell it, then buy a new one. All the buyer has to do is contact customer support to get the ban lifted, because that person is not quagsire. And quagsire, financially speaking, is free to just go start up a new account on his new console, only slightly inconvenienced by his lost save files and eShop purchases (ironically, permanently discouraging him from using the service he's trying to undermine. Why buy when bans are always on the table?)

They're not banning his console, banning his service. I'll use example half these morons are using.... You have iPad and iPhone with Verizon... You're stealing movies on iPad but not with iPhone. Verizon then bands you from their service. You knuckleheads then post crap online, wondering why service doesn't work on your iPhone. Durrrr durrrr

@Oscarcjc Nintendo did nothing to anyone's "own property", they refused to provide their own services, withdrawing from the legal agreement that had been accepted and then deliberately broken on the other party's end. Not sure where the US courts even thought they had a case, unless there was something conspicuously different in Sony's case. Could hacked PS3s get bricked like PSPs?

@electrolite77 stories like this show that Nintendo is taking notes, too. And that's a prospective factor to account for.

@Yorumi tyranny is something affecting people's lives, not people's hedonistic entertainment or people's inner demons widely known as "fans". The company doesn't dictate anything but spells out that they'll deal with you as a client on their own terms (that barely anyone bothers to read). Any human being is free to stop or avoid dealing with such terms and the products themselves, and their lives don't need said products.

And such reactions aren't about witch hunts, they're about countermeasures. Even "You buy it, you do whatever with it" rhetoric applies to hacking one's console, not publicly spreading and advertising the means of hacking one's console like the hacking scene does, because it's specifically the latter that kicks the door open for piracy. If you buy a car and devise a means to open it with a toothpick just because it's more fun for you, that's your business - but if you start doing YouTube videos or open air seminars on the trick, the manufacturer will have questions. Including the proverbial and often abbreviated one.

@brandonjordanva nope. they're banning the service at the *console level. If quagsire we're to make another account on the same switch, it still wouldn't work. The whole switch is banned from the network.

@yams99 make another what account? Another Nintendo account? Like Verizon banning me from their service and me trying to make another Verizon account? His switch still works just like everyone else's except no online features. Still plays games

My only answer to this is: Yes! Great job Nintendo. I can appreciate the hacking community for their motivation to expand upon the console's features, but that's just not how it's meant to be. Let Nintendo do what Nintendo does, and play the console the way it is intended instead of hacking it. Hacking it might not be based off of anything bad originally, but it will lead to bad things that will far outweigh any positives.

So happy about this.

@Brandonjordanva ok I made a statement about iPhone and iPad so I am calling you out personally. I never in any of my post resorted to name calling. Yes if someone is stealing they should be banned and prosecuted I agree, but to ban someone just because they have a modified console is stupid!!! You must not know much about home brew... Yes you can pirate games, which I do not condone. There is also in that same community people who make their own games or modify games that THEY OWN on a console that THEY OWN! Not all hackers are pirates and pieces of trash. I'm not a hacker, but to go along with allowing a company to ban you as a person for having a modified system is a bad road to go down. If the guy stole and pirated then yes ban and prosecute him. To call for a ban on all known hacker accounts is madness.

@cloud36426 hey bud, I'm all for hacking, whatever reason it's for. I'm just saying for people who think their iPhone should still be able to steal movies on the same service as their iPad is ignorant. I partake in all of it. Should I face consequences if I'm caught? Absolutely. He still Owns his switch. He can still play his games, he can even update them. He can't use most of their online services. Go ahead, explain home brewing to me if you'd like

I am sure this comment will be lost in the wake of people who know nothing about hackers outside of a horrible movie form the early 90s, but it sounds like they didn't just ban his hacked system (which I don't have a problem with) but his ACCOUNT and even his eShop access.

That is just uncalled for personally. Go ahead and ban the hacked system, but unless he was cheating online, then the account should not be banned (especially eshop access, taking away all your digital purchases, how does that DIScourage piracy instead of ENcourage it?). Considering his UNhacked system got banned too, it sounds like his account itself was banned and will ban any system it gets logged into. I cannot agree with that.

@Brandonjordanva I did explain some of the perks of home brew. While I agree pirating should be met with consequences, some people are willing to let companies do anything to them. In his case yes the ban was justified, but if I have 2 Switch consoles and I hack one of them and do not pirate, just run home brew apps I do not feel Nintendo would have the right to refuse me service. As long as the modified console stayed off of their service I don't think it would be right. I mean Nintendo can refuse anyone they want to. They don't owe me an online experience, an eShop, or an update past what I purchased with the console. It could lead to bad things happening if we just allow these companies to do as they wish.

@cloud36426 lmao.... No it's like getting a suspended license for not following the rules then you thinking you can drive one of your other vehicles...... C'mon dude

I looked at his Twitter and he says he has home brewed that console before, the one that got locked out of online.

THEN STOP POSTING ABOUT IT!!!

WTH — why is this even a question?? It's like asking if you break into someone's car and get caught, would you get arrested, and how would others feel about you getting arrested lol. In this case a ban is getting off light.

@Brandonjordanva dude I have moved past this one incident with this guy the article is talking about. I am speaking of these people who are commenting to ban people who are hackers. Read my post again. I agree with his ban.

@Brandonjordanva also no your example is no where near what I'm talking about.

@cloud36426 they're your examples lol... Read your post about driver licenses and iproducts. I'm just telling you why your examples are garbaj

@Cherkov Ah thanks for the clarification. I thought there had to be more to it than that, lol

Good on Nintendo then. Everyone knows or should know the risks when they hack/modify their consoles.

@Brandonjordanva ok man. I have my perspective on things, just as your do. Enjoy allowing companies to do with you how they wish.

@ThatNyteDaez so you're fine with punshing someone for something they might do? Good on you buddy. Either way it's been established that he tampered with the banned console as well so I'm good with that.

@geox30 poor security? switch has been harder to hack compared to the ps4 and xbox. also online isn't a mess its not even fully out yet.

@edgedino
Sure. Good luck setting up a match with your online friends and using voice chat.

@cloud36426 thanks. Let me know how voicing your opinion to these companies on Nintendo life turns out. Maybe you can convince them to do some type of point consequences (like our driving privileges) instead of banning people. Maybe that way I can pirate some games then just take a gaming course to reduce the points 😉

Nintendo didn't ban his console, they ban his account meaning if he use his account on a hack system and reuse it again on a non-hack one, well that affect the non-hack one as well. You can't escape from the banwagon if you were already caught.

@Brandonjordanva dude you really didn't read my posts at all. There is no way, or either you have trouble comprehending what you read.. My whole point is people would allow companies to ban people on the assumption they have the ability to carry out an act. Never once did I condone pirating games.

@Yorumi If they want to bend over and present themselves like a mandrill to our corporate overlords, I don't think you'll change their mind.

@10basetom And here I thought the console I bought was mine. Guess I was wrong!

@electrolite77 And that is relevant... Why exactly? They've had 8 software updates since 3.60, when the full hack was revealed, and tried desperately to block the hack and access to psn on lower firmwares, didn't work. And vita was a much more secure system than the switch.

Cya
Raziel-chan

@cloud36426 But if you do anything against our benevolent corporate overlords, the terrorists will win!

Cya
Raziel-chan

I think back on how hackers ruined online gaming for Wii and Wii U (aww Splatoon 1).
I know there are a few that do it for harmless homebrews and offline cheats, but they don’t compare to the many others that use it in more harmful ways to other people. Granted the latter is normally the ones that announce themselves online (forum, in-game, etc.), therefore the most common, by internet law.

@Razzy Sure, your console is yours... But all online functionality is Nintendo's. A guy was banned because he broke their rules, they enforced their rules and took what was theirs back, and now he is left with what is his. The console.

@SpaceboyScreams "they just want to take control of the hardware they bought" And this particular hacker can still do that. They just can't use Nintendo's online infrastructure to do it.

Fair to me.

@Blizzia Agreed. Not sure how people aren't getting that.

I got no sympathy for him or other hackers who are getting banned, even if the ban is on systems that aren't hacked. But it will hopefully act as a deterrent to others to stop hacking.

@cloud36426 If you agree to user terms, then violate those terms, what do you think should reasonably happen?

@DarthFoxMcCloud Let's hope so. Though judging by some of these comments, you'd think the gaming industry is ruled with an iron fist that oppressively dictates where and when we can poop.

@HobbitGamer so if I hack a Switch and do not put it online or use it online and I don't pirate any games my other stock Switch should get banned?

@cloud36426 If the console didn't go online, it can't get banned.

If you've taken both consoles online with the same linked Nintendo Account, you should definitely be banned.

You also can't agree to terms in one instance and go back on it in another instance. That's not how it works. There's no grey area here.

@Jammy01 even if he was, he made the choice, he paid the price.

@Rika_Yoshitake @Wckdlink @Ensemen @BulkSlash Mind your language.

@jimi That is exactly how I feel about it. Go ahead and ban the hacked console, that's fine, but banning the ACCOUNT (and cutting off access fro all your purchases) is not only uncalled for, but encourages people to pirate.

@Yorumi That is true; it would make it harder to cheat since they have all the data on the server end and I imagine easier to monitor.

Wouldn’t stop the real ones from finding alternative ways to gain the system for a while or attack it, like they did with the PSN server hack.

@HobbitGamer I disagree, but am tired of this conversation. We will have to agree to disagree. Good day sir.

Gosh... 🙄
Let's do these, guys :
1. Control your wild desire.
2. Always play the games WITHOUT Hacking.
3. Follow the rules from Nintendo
4. Show respect to Nintendo by use your machine wisely.
5. Keep calm and happy.

Colour me surprised and lacking in any sympathy

What were they hacking?

Not all hacks are unethical.

It's what he gets, honestly. Nintendo has the right and the responsibility to make sure that nobody can steal any of the content that they sell through the eShop. People that hack and steal will never deserve any sympathy when their actions finally get punished.

@Razzy the console is still yours, you just can't go online with it

@Yorumi ohhh gotcha. I figured hacking a server would be harder; I’m just not educated enough in that area to know the steps and programming that goes behind it, only the general basic.

My mind drafted a bit off topic on the Sony hack part. I was thinking less on the gaming part (different) and more on ruining fun for other people from an ethical standpoint.

Unfortunately the worst hack is firmware level (meaning BIOS/UEFI) so the guy who broke the news is basically SOL from an ethics standpoint which is literally part of a standard customer contract - game console or otherwise.

Plus, this heavy tit for tat is better than nothing when you have such long odds of any other solution aside for the inevitable hardware refresh.

@Wckdlink Hacking isn't cheating ......

Free games and homebrew vs. Playing online.
I'd choose the first.

@Yorumi, no "hacking" a server is not difficult. "Modifying" a piece of hardware is not difficult. Managing millions of accounts on the server intermixing with modified hardware and malicious code is a nightmare.

As far as hacking a game server it is quite easy and fairly common as many have experienced when players come into a server and suddenly kick the crap out of everyone even though they appear to have little to no experience. The original Unreal Tournament had a particularly pernicious hack people were exploiting. It took advantage of a small subset of files that matched slower and faster connections so the players had equal reaction times. I will not share more because they appear to be using something similar on the new servers albeit with different verification setups.

" only did brief homebrew tests on my 'non-hacked' "

He did run homebrew on his "non-hacked" console so it shouldn't come as a surprise.

If you're going to make any modification in your console (no matter how small it is) i think you should be aware you can get banned.

Good Riddence,Now I hope these idiots know now to take this Serious that Nintendo means business in hacking ur own system cause Hackers are lame and sore losers that's why they need an advantage in hacking their system and put crap that were not suppose to have even tho we moan and whep that we want it still Nintendo can't cater to everyone's needs.

I don't really have an informative opinion on this since I don't have any reason to own a hacked system of any kind. I hardly have time to play the legit games released on the eShop and in stores, let alone have time for homebrew too.

Wow, the comments are crazy!

By some peoples logic here, anyone with a browser should get banned from itunes and all the other places that sell digital content, because they could in fact pirate movies, music, shows, etc. Using a TOR Client should get you prosecuted, because you could be buying drugs, weapons or even do human trafficking on sites like silkroad. Using encryption should make you a spy, because… who knows?

Or if this is too drastic for you, rooting your android phone should void and anulate all of your google play purchases. Modifiying your car (e.g. changing the radio for something else) should disallow you from driving the car.

Why the heck is any of this good to anyone? I modify a huge amount of electronics around my house, because it is fun. But I pay for the content I listen to, watch or play. I even write software for a living and would not be to happy, to do that for free, because someone is not willing to pay for it’s usage. But! Putting a webbrowser onto your switch or finding a way to backup my save games (as the hacking community did) does not interfere with the nintendo online services, it does not steal from anyone and it sure as hell shouldn’t bother anyone around here.

What nintendo did, is to block his access to all of his digital purchased content on that account. This is not justified in the slightest. And stating the ToS is bs, because usually these things are nothing you really “accept” or “don’t”, you often can’t even read them before purchase. They are either printed inside the box on a piece of paper or printed on to the screen on first boot up… I’m still not accepting that as binding in any sense. And a ToS can’t overrule any laws and taking away digital purchases from someone (basically stealing - the same thing as pirating, just the other way arround) is way worse than any violation of any ToS.

@jimi I'm not sure which part you misunderstood. Was it the "don't break the rules" or the "you have to accept the user agreement in order to retain access to digital content and features"?

He broke the rules, he faced the consequences. Nintendo might as well have written they have the right to smash all his games, and I'd have applauded them for doing so. I don't care whether it is excessive or not, he cheated. If you're willing to cheat, well, you better be willing to comply with the consequences, because sooner or later they're going to catch up to you.

@YamAsereht I believe this is the first reported ban of it's kind for the switch

@JaxonH the only real way to do it as a good guy. Owe up to your own actions.

I do feel you could give people in this position a new chance, just for once as a kind of goodwill. It's silly to try and break terms of service on your main account, of course, but if that account happened to be all you've got on all your purchases and connections perhaps one kind act doesn't hurt.

But yeah, if you want to experiment on it, invest your own risk and time setup. The hacking could be fun - just a bit over the edge with some exploits.

I know nothing about these kind of things but surely if you break the rules you have to expect a response??

@BenGrimm Of course but you'll still get the typical defenders of hackers

@YamAsereht Nintendolife is trying to gaslight folks

hacking a device is a sport for hackers.
they don't care about games. they hack because its a challenge.
most companies even have contact with hackers to improve security.

now why not contact him, and ask him how he did it, and how they can improve.
no, nintendo bully them, wich makes things worse. typical action from a company thats lightyears behind in online experience

nintendo just opened pandora's box.
dont ever insult a hacker community.

@PALversusNTSC I could be wrong but i'm pretty sure Nintendo knows how it's done. There's no need to contact anyone since the only fix for it is to change the internal components on the Switch itself.

@BenGrimm This is more that the response to someone scratching your car is to take a baseball bat to their skull. Banning the console from online would have been the response, banning their ACCOUNT even though they didn't mess or cheat with the online in any way is uncalled for and excessive. ESPECIALLY the part where they cut you off from your own legitimate purchases.

Believe it or not, a corporation can't just do whatever they want and claim "Well, your broke our rules" Sony, MS, and Nintendo were all found in violation with how they handled returns in the UK and warranties in the US despite it being their "rules".

thank you mario.....

but our princess is not here.

she's tempering another system

Rarely any other recourse when you have such a deep hack that ya gotta wait for the inevitable hardware refresh. So you just have to go for the next best thing and boot the noobs who abuse the hell of it.

@Cyber_Akuma

the ban is even hilarious. anno 2018 nintendo use amateuristic measures to ban somebody.
they put "a guy" on the case to search for bad behavior via his account, rather to make a decent automatic flagging system that can search for it (microsoft).

man they are so behind in online technolgy, i even wonder if they know what google is.

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@geox30 i also nvr said it was good.

@geox30 i also nvr said it was good.

the hacking community and the industry goes a long way with eachother.
its inevitable for any system, you have the hacking scene, the emulator scene, and you have communities that are spreading software and programs with these knownlages.

but one relieve, hacking isn't as harmfull as it once was, not for software companies. but is always profitable for console companies (it made a succes out of the psx and xbox360)

system updates scared people off, but as company make a big fuzz out of it, so, gamesites publish this news, is way more harmfull.

its like. "eh guys, you know what, you can play free games on the nintendo switch, yes thats right. why dont you go check it out!!!!"

just buy your games original. modifying your system is not worth it, especialy not a nintendo console.

@Yorumi I guess we will have to disagree on this. I have written and programmed games for a long time. I hacked back when and ran servers for many different things over the years before coding became simplified by drop ins and script languages. Servers get hacked all of the time. Sometimes it is just a "I was here" incursion and other times it is malicious but they all get hacked, eventually. The difference now is most of it is malicious and for profit or a rogue state looking to gain intel. Stating that no secure transaction would be possible is not even in the realm of what is happening. The majority of hackers that get media play are looking for the big kill like the ones who recently tapped into the international banking system and "withdrew" millions of dollars in funds. The hackers most people are truly exposed to are low level script kiddies who get tripped up by being sloppy and greedy.
In regards to game servers one can easily fool the server into manipulation of the active code by exploiting the weaknesses of a multi node system.

Nintendo is in every right to do so, not just legally but morally too, hacking is stealing. May this serve as an example to those guys

very interesting.

i think its important to have hackers, without them there would never be progress in online security.

some if them steal(wich is not ok) and try to make profit. but i believe there are alot of them want to point out it can be done.
in this case its the arrogance of a big company that doesn't do anything with it.
they don't lay the blame on themselfs, instead of saying, ok we challenge you.

although i think this exploit will never lifts the ground, nintendo should silently behind the scenes work on a solution, instead of attacking one guy in public. its not good for bussiness to be published on gamesites

Thank Goodness.

This is why you can't have nice things

@Cherkov: I thought as much. That was my second guess, actually. The system code probably has traces of code tampering/manipulation. My first guess was that the Switch's code gets routinely checked/compared with official code, and if even a character is out of place, the Switch gets a further, deeper scanning of its code.

good job nintendo

Way to go Nintendo, maybe now I can play Splatoon without all the cheaters!

@geox30 Poor security? It's been a year and there's yet to be any reliable way to hack your console when just a last generation each console was softmoddable or chippable within months.

This wasn't a switch he has hacked, don't see why they should take away any features on that console for things he has done to a seperate console.

@AUMWolf im new to splatoon, what do cheaters do?

It seems that a lot of views on hacking are pretty black and white here. Hacking by itself isn’t cheating, isn’t unethical, and isn’t illegal. Unless it is used for cheating or stealing (as it often is), there is nothing wrong with innovating electronics that you own. Otherwise all of us who added d-pads to joycons, or for that matter anyone who put a piece duct tape over a cheap battery compartment that doesn’t close well are also unethical cheaters. What it does amount to sometimes, though is rulebreaking. And as long as Nintendo discloses how continued access to their services could be denied by specific rules being broken, he really doesn’t have much of a defense. And look, I realize the hacks in question here probably did have to do cheating or stealing. So, though I admit comparing a controller or shell mod to adding hombrew to system is an exaggerated comparison, I won’t agree with the sentiment that all hardware hacking is equal to cheating or stealing.

He knows he was breaking the rules by hacking; why would he think he could just ask to be unbanned?

ban em all once this starts up all the stupid kids will find the ways to cheat at the games which is one of the reasons i hate pc gaming. cheating in single player fine have at it but cheating in online ruins the game for the people your playing with.

@Wckdlink You are missing the point. Players want certain features to exist, and Nintendo fails to listen to their player base. That is how these mods gain traction. These are really modders that we are talking about, not "hackers". From your comments, it seems like you are a fanboy and that I will not have a productive conversation with you.

@electrolite77
""They release the same games each console, refuse to give a proper vc"

What? So they release too many old games, but not enough old games?"

They release Mario games constantly with a single new feature and call it a new game, or they re-release old Mario games and ask you to buy it every generation, instead of allowing you to buy one copy that carries with you through your consoles. All of the consoles can be guilty of this, but it doesn't give them a pass.

They don't understand how to give customers a satisfying experience, nor how to give us original experiences.

Why is the Nintendo community so against hacking and homebrew stuff? Do you people not like fun?

Though, I get it. It's Ninty's service.

Everyone in these comments is banned

Come on, the lesson is "Don't hack your system and go online". In this day and age, and for a long time now actually, if you hack a system, you can't go online or you will get banned. This has been true since the PSP.
Now, the hackers have to figure a way to disable the hacked bits so that they aren't detectable by nintendo via online/eshop, then they wouldn't have to worry. Although I have no idea how hard that might be to do. Just saying.
Point is, you dont hack your system if its the only one you've got. You have a hacked offline system and a non-hacked online system.

@SpaceboyScreams
Yeah!

@Wckdlink
You really don't get it, do you?
This wasn't about cheating, or God Mode, or anything like that. This was in guy, getting HomeBrew on his Switch that's been on, I don't know, almost every modern Nintendo console?

This is standard practice in the industry

@Boshar Agreed. I am tired of all these complainers who just keep listing every stupid little thing they don't like about the Switch and making all types of entitled demands on what they expect from it. The Switch is great at what it does and if you wanted it to be something that it is not it sounds like you are better off with a different device. Leave the Switch for people who actually appreciate it.

Personally I'd willingy trade anyone's access to Homebrew or whatever in order to not have Cheaters and Piracy on the system.

People say they are different but they often both arise from the exact same exploits to the point if Nintendo did prevent one group they'd likely prevent the other. I care more about my favourite games not being compromised than somebody being able to use a browser on a game console.

Yeah, though I support homebrew and such, this is a consequence of those actions and you must accept that. It's not even shocking, and I dont see how you can even get upset.

@Dr_Lugae Agreed. I have no idea why some people are so demanding about wanting to have a web browser on a game console these days anyways. I mean it was kind of a cool gimmick back in the days before we had a variety of internet enabled devices, but now a days a smartphone is pretty much as standard as anyone's wallet and that is a device purpose designed for connectivity. I think the demands for a game console web browser these days are very niche.

I have no problem with banning people that break the EULA.

But there are concerns about how it done.

If the ban is on the account. Then Nintendo need to prove that the hack was done while the account was used.
If not fair that if I buy a used console that be hack that my account is banned for what the previous owner has done.

I much easier if the ban is on the console, if there is a hack on the console then the ban will be placed on it.
But if that is the case, then the ban can not follow the account to another console as the article states.

To me this shows that Nintendo are still amateurs when it comes to account handling.

Ethical or not, hacking or modding is a violation of the ToS. Hence, no more service.

Hackers kept rubbing it in Nintendo's face. Did they expect there would be no retribution?

@JayJ Agreed, some of these people go on like Nintendo is Stalinist Russia and they're being heavily oppressed by this evil corporation. At the end of the day it's just a console and these people are just getting ridiculously jumped up over what is essentially a form of entertainment.

Very simple, get caught, face the consequences.

@kepsux it was unhacked but still showed traces of the initial hack so it was open season.

This is the best article to wake up to I hate hackers and take so much pleasure from their tears I love it this is truly a blessed day

@jimi Didn't cheat, won't get banned for calling someone an idiot. I have experience with this personally (there are a lot of idiots out there), and beyond the fact that you can't even do that in Nintendo games atm, that would be excessive. But this isn't about that, it's about a little cheating moron who decided to challenge Nintendo and got his arse handed to him. There's nothing more, nothing less.

Then again, Nintendo didn't prevent him access to his digitally purchased games: He just can't redownload them if he loses them. Because that's not part of his purchase, that's part of the online service Nintendo offers. It's all about how it looks legally, and this, unfortunately, is legal. (Though in this case it is fortunate, because that cheater/hacker deserves nothing.)

You want to use their service, you need to play by their rules. Fair enough.

Banning the eShop in the console of a hacker is the most stupid thing possible. I mean I'm sure that somebody who hacked the console has no problem in finding another way to get games anyway.
I have thought several times about modding my Switch to have a multimedia player and the possibility to backup my saved games but I would like to buy my games from the eShop anyway.
Since Switch lacks many functions I think some people could want to hack their consoles for different reasons than piracy, but if Nintendo make it impossible for them to legally buy games then it is like Nintendo itself is encouraging piracy that way. It seems so incredibly stupid to me!!!!! Lol

@jimi Provide me proof that someone has been banned for calling another person Idiot and nothing else whatsoever, and I'll believe you. The ToS doesn't exist because some moron told another person "You're an idiot" and then ended all communications. It's for the outliers. You should be able to comprehend that. Nice context-bending though. You could be in politics.

You can keep arguing about these feeble-minded things if you wish, but the facts are: If you got VAC banned, you broke a rule. If you got banned by Nintendo, you broke a rule.

You can call it illegal all you want, yet nobody has taken issue with it yet, including all the recent stuff about third party peripherals and pre-order refunds. The guy can try to sue them if he want, and lose his money, but I doubt he'll do that. And sure it may be harsh to not only ban the device he broke the rules on, but if both accounts are in his name, he still broke the rules and both accounts need to go down. If I had 7 Steam accounts and I broke the rules on one, I'd expect all 7 (in my name) to go down for it. I as a person broke the rules, and I as a person should take the full punishment, across all accounts in my name.

I actually read the ToS, and know how this stuff works. You're clearly unhappy with being punished for breaking the ToS, and that's your problem. I don't break the ToS, so I don't get banned.

@jimi Has the ToS ever been enforced like that? No, because, as I said, it's for outliers, not a random person whispering another "Idiot".

I never stated "show me someone who was banned for breaking the ToS", I stated "show me someone who was banned for calling another person an idiot", because that was your whole argument.

And yes, I think you should have been banned. You obviously think it is laughable because you're the one who broke the rules and you don't want to be banned xD

This whole discussion seems kinda pointless, since we're never going to agree. So I'll end it here and agree to disagree with you forever and ever. Have a nice day!

@Wckdlink Ok, so by your logic, we should never innovate or strive for greater than what we are given. Nintendo, and other large corporations, loves customers like you.

When people buy products, they should be able to do what they want with them, within the bounds of not affecting the manufacture or others. If the browser or media player is poor or non-existent, I should be able to add my own, as the owner of the hardware that I bought. I don't know many people that think in their mind that consoles and games are not theirs, and that they are only renting them from the corporations.

Now, if people aim to hack to cheat in games and ruin the platform for others, steal games content, or other nefarious usages, then Nintendo has some right to fight back, but from what I am hearing, this is a blanket ban for all modders/hackers.

@Yorumi Where did I say "my" servers are easily hacked? I never said that, I said I have administered servers in the past. What I said was all servers get hacked eventually.

You said"Causing a compiled program to arbitrarily change execution through code execution is no trivial task. You are honestly saying you think it is easy to gain write and execute privelages on a machine you do not own via the internet."
I never said that either. Throwing around terms like "compiled" and "execution" does not make an argument. I said open servers (ones with public access) have sub routines to deal with multi node systems. These sub routines are used for many things but on game servers they are normally used to match users logging in to access services to privileges. Some of these are used for packet matching, speed matching and other administrative privileges.

That being said a hacker does not change executable code from the outside. The point to modern hacking is to get inside using existing flaws in code or policy enforcement and steal information or create a backdoor to gain access at another time. You cannot change complied code! You can manipulate routines and call outs to serve your intent but again this happens sometimes due to a lack of coding experience.

You said "You must be rich considering how many places offer huge sums of money to hack their system. If it’s so easy you should be drowning in money."

Where did I say I hack for money? I never did.

@Wckdlink You are making the assumption that you are somehow smarter and like you have read all of the terms for all products and services that you use. I actually find it hilarious how up in arms you are.

To follow your lead, I would assume that you are incapable of hacking and modding and therefore lash out at others more capable than yourself.

No one has time to review all these Bs terms that we agree to. I review them for my job and they are not a quick read and are open to interpretation with the ambiguous nature of many companies writing.

Have fun

@jimi How passionate. Once more, have a nice day.

Serves him right. Nintendo would otherwise look like they don't care if they didn't take such hard steps. People meddling in ways to get open access which can allow for piracy puts them within their rights cutting off people who do such things. Take an action, expect a reaction, that's how it works.

Or maybe just don't link your account to a system you plan to hack/hacked in the past.

And this is why I’d never do any hacks on my Switch.

@Wckdlink please, language.

It's bad for homebrewers who just wanted to tweak or invent, but no reason to lose sleep from outright hackers.

@Yorumi I did not do anything but correct the inconsistencies that you attempted to create from my statements. I said hacking a server is easy and I stand by that. Perhaps you can not grasp that but hacking is not about destroying code it is about exploiting code weakness.

Again you are attempting to say something about code execution which appears to belie your experience in programming. This is my last reply so I wish you the best but do a bit more research before arguing a position when it can obviously be discredited quite easily

I can't exactly fault Nintendo for this, but it still angers me. I've said this before, but the people here who are acting like hackers are blasphemous, putrid scum should calm down instead of talking like angry fanboys. The hackers don't do this because they're evil sadists that love to break the law. [EDIT: I'm sorry if people misunderstood this message and thought that I hated hackers. I personally have no problem at all with hackers, but what I meant was that it's ridiculous that some other people seem to think that hackers are "evil sadists that love to break the law" (they absolutely aren't). Again, I'm very sorry for wording this badly.]

Oh boy, another one of these comment sections. I didn't have my popcorn prepared for this!

@wiggleronacid it's magical. I love first world problems.

@WiltonRoots Yep. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with taking a stance on something and backing it up. But people freak out and get into these unreasonable debates when it comes to these topics. I know I'm in for a good time whenever I see any new article on this site that has "hack" or "hacker" in the title!

@SpaceboyScreams there's probably reasons why Nintendo has yet to give some things off the bat. Things take time to develop or have a check list of things that need to be accomplished prior. I don't trust hackers, because their egos make them sloppy. I'd much rather get updates from people that have been working on the console for years, than moonlight hackers. I find it ironic that a hacker gets blocked on a device. Nintendo knows more about the Switch than these hackers do.

That is why you never hack your consoles with any account information on there so they cannot track it directly to you.

@G-Boy Most people don't understand that reverse engineering is a challenge and "hackers" enjoy it generally for that reason.

Yawn

@Natzore Nintendo has a way to cover this in that games "deleted" can be downloaded directly from the options menu. It would only require a quick little update to bypass eShop need altogether since games update automatically outside of it. Hackers would be put of luck.

Here's the thing, this guy has a reputation, and I don't recall Nintendo stating it was anything but an account ban.
He may have outed himself via either using the same Nintendo Account to simply using the same credit card/paypal on each system.

Hackers should absolutely be vaporized from our online games.

Put this way when you by the Nintendo Switch you agreed to this whether or not you read it...

EULA....that is all there is to know.

R.I.P. hacker

@jimi
> Blocking someone from accessing video games that someone bought digitally is also illegal, which is why Steam stopped doing so some time ago.

I signed up just to refer you to this thread:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_steam_support_has_deleted_or_renamed_my_accounts_login
Our lovable corporate overlords at Valve still retain the power to delete your Steam accounts and will use them to deny access from what you own.

With that out of the way, the comments here are fantastic, but I have expected no less from the comments section of a Nintendo news outlet. Blind loyalty to a corporation obsessed with pure, unadultered control, based on the false assumption that the "evil hackers" are why the Switch's features are gimped. The crux of the matter is, the Switch's features are gimped so Nintendo can sell them back to you. It's an old and tested trick that's regretfully effective in today's world. That's why Nintendo are against the hackers: they're providing what they're selling back in the way it was meant to be, and ask for literally nothing in return. Tech corporations really love their control, and will fight for it, just the same as the hacking side is fighting for it. And ultimately, we gave tech corporations so much power, it won't be long before we cease to have any control over what we own, it won't be long until the likes of the comments here literally allow tech corporations to get away with banning entire consoles from even operating.

Be careful what you wish for.

@Findonovan95 It's an account level ban, not a system ban. So yes, it would ban all of the devices using that account, which is well within the EULA that people never seem to read.

Not defending Nintendo here. I myself am currently using a hacked Wii with the Homebrew Channel on it, but I do understand Nintendo's reasoning.

You get what you deserve. They ban the account. Doesn't matter if you get another console, your offense doesn't magically go away.

@jimi They are allowed to re-download their games even if they are banned.

For anyone saying why Nintendo banned hackers from the eshop this is why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtRTVrWbRL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyJWx725oTU

@LuckyLand @jimi @Cyber_Akuma @SirAileron @jeoncs Because hackers used to pirate games from the e shop during the Wii U/3DS era using Freeshop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtRTVrWbRL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyJWx725oTU

@Rocketjay8 You along with everyone else are misunderstanding the term 'hacker'.

You're also being angry about something that has already been studied to be non-impactful.

Nevermind me, though. You'll probably just carry on with the finger-pointing and the "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude despite any evidence or explanation to the contrary.

@SirAileron Look what happened to the psp. Also, I'm not angry with anyone hacking their system as long as they aren't doing it online.

@Rocketjay8 No shiz. They're going to find a way to do it regardless. If they stop one way then someone will find another.

@Rocketjay8 You realize that an account ban won't prevent you from still just connecting to the store and downloading whatever, right? You could use stuff similar to freeshop without even owning a 3DS on a PC.

I work for one of the major gaming platforms and everyday I see people banned for just this reason, and they'll always comment on the fact it's not illegal and that they bought a system from us only for us to then ban It, and that they wish they'd bought our competitors system instead. Well guys, buying hardware is one thing, do want you want with that but our networks are another when you sign up to them you agree to abide by certain rules, and if you break these rules you agree that we can terminate your access to the network. Simple, its a legal contract. Companies aren't just going to allow people to connect to their network if they're doing something which can actively damage it and undermine other consumer's experiences. So, in short, yes, I wholeheartedly agree with Nintendo's decision; they have every right to make it.

@Agramonte The one that's coming this fall. Isn't that obvious?

Banning for gacking is good but bamning a non hacked switch is unfair and violates the FTC's agreement Nintendo agreed to and he wil need to file a complaint and then Nintendo will be forced under law to unban his non hacked console

I think it serves him right. Just to be clear I'll be the first one to install hacks and home-brews on a system when they come out, but let the console LIVE a little. Especially online games. I think everyone agrees, the punishment for online hacker should be as severe as possible. My stance is that Nintendo isn't going to take the time to see which system it is. They will ban the user all together to make sure the problem is done away with. As I said before hacking is widely looked down upon in all online video games so you get what you get for trying to hack. Its a risk you take.