A common occurrence in the Wii era was Nintendo being taken to court by various companies claiming that the system violated existing patents. This has happened with multiple Nintendo systems, in truth, with the 3DS also being targeted quite a few times. Nintendo wins the majority of these cases and, even on the rare occasions it loses initially, seems to have the clout to appeal and clear cases in the end.
It's inevitable that the Switch will also be the target of litigation, and it seems that Gamevice is one of the first companies out of the gate. As reported by Engadget, a lawsuit has been launched citing patent violation, namely that the Joy-Con concept is allegedly too similar to the detachable controller and "flexible bridge section" seen in previous Gamevice products. As is the norm in these cases Gamevice wants a substantial settlement and for Switch sales to be stopped.
This refers to two lines that the company has launched over the last few years. First was the Wikipad, a tablet with controller launched in 2013; a tablet would slide and click into a relatively large controller, as you can see below.
That product didn't take off commercially, so more recently Gamevice launched a controller accessory that can clip into smartphones and tablets, as you can see below.
Naturally the courts will determine whether there's a case. We doubt this will be the last such claim, either, as various clip-on controller accessories exist that work with smartphones and tablets; it was the existence of accessories like these that some used as 'evidence' (in the NX days) to argue against the 2016 leaks around a tablet with detachable controllers.
We'll keep an eye out for any updates on the case.
[source engadget.com]
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Nintendo should counter sue over the controller layout and ABXY buttons as well as the obvious Wii U Gamepad stolen design.
Is it 7 differences needed to be classed as different? I think Nintendo will be ok.
Sigh patent wars, nothing good comes from it for the consumer
Am little worried as watching switch force discussion and mention that gamevice wanted nintendo to stop selling switches if they won! I only imagine horror if that ever came true! :/
Here we go again....
I do see similarities though I don't think they've got a case. You'll always see similarities between one product and another.
The thing bombed and I see it used an NVIDIA chip as well. I wonder if Nintendo and NVIDIA just perfected(though it's far from perfect) the concept. The Wikipad looks like a modified Wii U gamepad. And sure the Switch itself is a modified Wii U.
Hmm...I see many differences between Joy-Con and their controller, so I think Nintendo will be ok.
@Tate24 Asking for the product to be yanked is pro forma on any patent infringement action.
Well I claim that the Wikipad is an stolen idea it somehow reminds me of Nokia N-gage! Hell let's just sue them all !!
Nintendo have huge pockets and top lawyers that can destroy these kinds of companies and their lawsuits.
Well no one sued for the Wii U Gamepad. Only go after the hot items.
Which means Switch is a hot item.
But I mean...really. there are many things like this far more similar than Switch.
@BLP_Software Nintendo actually did get sued for the Wii U because it used multiple screens: http://nintendoeverything.com/secure-axcess-suing-nintendo-for-patent-infringement-relating-to-wii-u/
Nintendo eventually won though. Phillips also sued Nintendo and wanted the Wii U out of stores, but that was because of the use of IR pointer in the Wii Remote.
LOL
Then why Sega dont do the same to both of them, because the Game Gear looks VERY VERY similar too ....
Really, it just looks a bit similar, which is partly because of the standard controller layout.
I don't think that is enough of a similarity.
Damn man, Nintendo is doing well again and out come the blood-leeches. Instead of suing, make a good product, gamevice.
They are after making more money by suing a popular device than by selling their actual product. These kind of tactics deserve to crash and burn. I mean, smartphones existed before the iPhone, but they were practically worthless. Nintendo improved on a lot of established concepts with the Switch and they deserve its commercial success. If this were the case on everything, Alexander Graham Bell's heirs should sue practically everyone and then go back to the stone age.
@Tate24 It won't, I'd bet.
Everyone wants a piece of the Nintendo pie...
Seems like they are upset Nintendo has made the idea a success something they tried and failed at , at least to the degree of success Nintendo is having with it . Though I do see a lot of differences between Nintendo's implementation of the idea and the way they used the idea .
Nintendo will win, their product is nothing like a joycon.
@Hobbesyall
Man was that a cool mobile to have. Totally awkward when using it as a proper phone, but that enhanced, polygonal port of the original mode-7 GBA version of Crash Nitro Kart was so worth it.
@MadAdam81 Good comment! I was going to say the exact same thing. These guys are happy to use a D-Pad, analogue sticks, ABXY buttons... Like, seriously? I hope this lawsuit ends very badly for Gamevice.
Also, their own failure and Nintendo 's success should be proof enough of this case being nothing more than a cash grab.
Not this again.
There is a key difference in design that I think deserves appreciation above other design differences: Gamevice's products look like butt.
Nice try, Gamevice. But you lost where it matters.
These aren't the patents you are looking for(Nintendo Wins), move along nothing to see here.
Hope Nintendo win this case as I don't want the Switch to not be sold anywhere as I still don't have one. Gotta wait till Christmas.
Not even close to having a case, Switch is an all in one product where as this is just a peripheral. Not to mention most of that is based upon Nintendo's designs anyway.
Just more parasites trying to make a quick buck off of the backs of others because their products fail miserably. The courts should throw this put and fine them heavily for wasting their time
Sounds like they have a weak case, if a case at all.
They're attempting to sue and remove a product (the Switch) in which the only remote similarity to their product is the JoyCons themselves, nothing more.
Ugh this kind of practice disgusts me, literally just leaching off their success. It happens all the time with every success story, someone decides they want a slice. If someone is genuinely ripped off, which happens too, then yeah, go after them. But that clearly isn't the case here, literally just chancing their arm. I hope it destroys them in the long run.
I had a Wikipad. Thought it would make a great emulation device but it didn't, it was awful. Big, clunky, slow and prone to crashing constantly. Had to send two back for repair before giving up.
Basically it was the Switch from hell. I hope Nintendo's lawyers rip them to shreds.
@CorvoRevo
Watching the first video, I though the same. That thing is uglier than the game gear though.
Not every idea is patent able. It should be non-obvious how it works, shouldn't it?
Blood sucking leeches trying to patent-troll Nintendo tells us one thing: the Switch is printing money!
Like everything else nintendo pushes ideas and gaming with new ideas new products and usage of products and cheesy companies that want to ride nintendo success wave. Losers
@Mortenb in theory. Unfortunately the patent offices aren't really doing their job properly - so it just ends up in the courts.
I seem to recall there are 100s of patents out there for the process of toasting bread. Of course, none would be enforcable but it doesn't stop the trolls.
What a time to be a patent lawyer!
So why exactly are they sueing now and not, for example, when the console launched or was revealed. Leeches, get off of my Switch!
This will just end up being yet another win for Nintendo lol
@SLIGEACH_EIRE the Switch is more like a modified tablet, than a modified WiiU. What do you think 'modified' means?
@CorvoRevo The Game Gear looked and had a lot of the features the atari lynx had (which came out a year before)
Next thing people will be saying the Xbone is a copy of the PS4...and their "pro" systems..
I'm waiting to see how Sony is gonna get involved. xD
I think these patents are too generic. People have been asking for tablets with detachable controller scheme since they were made - same as touch screens, phones...what is there next to patent?
Nintendo will come out the winner regardless of the court ruling. If Gamevice gets their way and the Switch is halted, then Nintendo will have all the artificial scarcity they'll ever need!
@AlexSora89
It was indeed, not too good to take to meetings though xD Hell nintendo should sue Nokia, N-Gage totally looked like GBA
I don't see how Gamevice can win this case. The joy-cons work separately from the Switch console. If you haven't noticed, Nintendo has constantly pushed the "play anywhere with anyone" message. They're essentially mini wii remotes that attach to the Switch while on the go. I don't even see how they "look similar" the first device is a U shell while the newer one is connected with some sort of foam backing. They don't work as a separate controller at all, and I think that's where Nintendo will knock them down.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE according to that image, it looks like the console is being put inside the controller, not the controller on the console. Splitting hairs I know, but there is a difference
Nintendo must WIN against those pesky companies !
Come on, Nintendo !
Let's Kick their Butt ! (If they have butt)
Apple's and Oranges if you ask me. They are both fruit but completely different.
Sounds more like a means to get their name out in the public.
Hahahaha.... Good luck going up against Nintendo!
They're going to have a hard time proving this, since Logitech (the Powershell) and Moga (the Ace Pro) also sell the same idea as their Wikipad/Gamevice. Heck, I specifically remember,bet the appeal when Gamevice was approaching launch being that you could basically turn your iPad into a Wii U- they clearly were borrowing from the Gamepad concept. I also -think- Logitech and Moga beat them to market, and still operate strong. Pretty sure you are supposed to defend your supposed patent from the get go or it weakens your position (same reason Nintendo C&Ds large fan projects).
Everybody wants a piece of Nintendo's success. Ya couldn't just earn it for yourselves.
Wait what? Seriously? Get out of here with that trash, Gamevice lol.
Seriously, don't they have people within the company who have the authority (and brains) to say its a bad idea at all? Why sue Nintendo when it was one of the first few companies to drive the Game Industry forward? Its like it a kid suddenly turned to their father one day and said "See you in court, daddy!"
Thats stupid... At the end they are using abyx buttons, dpad and control sticks... Maybe they should pay for that too...
I doubt they have a case, yet the reactions are interesting: when Nintendo sues it's all 'Hey, they need to protect their designs. Go, Big N!'
Yet when they are sued it's 'Damn cheesy, scumbag companies going after Nintendo! How dare they!'
Can it play Nintendo games? No. Then you lose.
@k8sMum Oh thank goodness, only took 50+ comments for someone to have a clue. If you don't fight for your patent, you lose your patent, simple. Win, lose or draw you have to sue if you feel someone is infringing upon your patent. Kidz these days.
"it was the existence of accessories like these that some used as 'evidence' (in the NX days) to argue against the 2016 leaks around a tablet with detachable controllers."
Ya think he's talking about us @ThanosReXXX we must have posted about 50 gifs and vids of this stuff?
I still like Project Discovery the best, it even had a dock. And you could see the screen while using it. Now thats' how you make a proper dock. (oh, sorry to wake you from your 1 month summer slumber)
https://www.engadget.com/2014/01/07/amds-project-discovery-tablet/
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/amd-project-discovery-tablet-review-1212897/review
There are a lot of reasons this case is unlikely to move in Gamevice's favor.
It's a nice way for them to splash their product all over the web though, so it might be worth the court fees in publicity.
If at first you don't succeed, try try to sue someone who did it better.
@UmniKnight
>"damn man, Nintendo are doing well"
>complains about nintendo switch lacking in games.
People just contradict themselves and refuse to admit they were wrong or in the wrong
I hope Nintendo drives these losers out of buisness.
Cockroaches shouldn't be allowed to own companies.
@Moon @MadAdam81
Notice that the XYAB buttons follow the Xbox controller's layout with A and B reversed. So Nintendo would have a lesser case on claiming copyright over those than Microsoft.
But when it comes to the d-pad, I believe Nintendo at least recently still hold the patent for the + shaped design which is why both Sony and Microsoft have opted different designs for their d-pads. Nintendo could have a case against the Gamevice on that.
Yeah this sounds right.
@Nego Nintendo's + shaped d-pad patent is over.
Lol. Now we wait for this to be quashed too.
...here we go again...
What does that stupid company hope to gain by going against Nintendo on this? Surely they know that the only thing that can come from this is a lot of legal fees and a lot of hate against their company for trying to stop switch Production.
I guess that's what Nintendo gets for being the only truly Innovative game company.
Looking at the controllers and i have one word. YUCK!
To me is clearly an accessory and the switch is a whole console, and the both can coexist at the same time without problem, well I guess they want an easy money.
What?!
Yeah these are always crazy. Do people think that Nintendo would not have checked out all the patents and everything associated with their product before they released it? They've been doing this for a long time. I guess if there is even a sliver of a chance of success then these people have to give it a shot. Whether they legitimately think their patent is being infringed upon or they simply think there is a chance to get Nintendo to settle.
Good thing it's not a Chinese company. Remember Apple losing a trademark case there against a company that made leather pouches named "iPhone"?
Screw Gamevice. They can burn and go under for all I care.
QUICK! ITS SUCCESSFUL...SUE EM.
Ya know, they weren't the first people to make detachable controllers for a tablet. Maybe the first guys should sue them?
@Phazon And what are you on about hm? Are people's opinions etched in stone, to forever remain set in time, so that we can be held account for them of all eternity? No. I've right as any other to change my opinion as time goes by.
The way you hold me account for that is outright petty.
I guess every home console before now should be sued since all home consoles copied the patent laid down by the Magnavox Odyssey. Give it up already. I guess this also in turn means that if the Switch continues to be successful to the point that Playstation and Xbox next gen systems are home/portable hybrids, then I guess Nintendo can sue them. Man I hate this world sometimes...
All depends on the wording of their patent and if it was excessively broad or not. If their patent was for a "pair of controllers detachable from a tablet device" then I suppose there's something. I haven't seen the Joycon patent but I'm guessing it's very specific involving the method of rail attachement, charging through the concealed pins, including non-wireless wired communication through concealed pins in the rail, given the format of typical Nintendo patents. I can't see the fairly generic comparison crossing the two patents without having to point fingers at the USPO...which they never like to have done and gently sweep under the rug. I'm going to guess GameVice would run up a few elder patents themselves if they're taking that broad approach.
@k8sMum read all the comments and I totally agree 😉
Really? They couldn't let us have a year before they started up?
Another patent troll wanting a piece of that Nintendo success. I betcha if the Nintendo Switch wasn't a success they probably wouldn't bother. Also the WikiPad is nothing like the Nintendo Switch, it's basically just a padded control shell that plays a tablet whereas the Nintendo Switch is just two controllers attach to a tablet. They're nothing a like and you can't really play mulitplayer with the WikiPad out of the box. Nintendo will probably win anyways and add this to their long list of legal victories.
I always enjoy when patent trolls not only lose their case, but get their patent invalidated at the same time. Hopefully, that is the end scenario here.
@MadAdam81 I think they have counter-sued before and when they do, they almost always win. It's quite funny that people trying to milk money out of Nintendo end up getting money milked out of them.
I'd suggest a boycott of their products, but that suggests there is the likelihood we would have otherwise brought their products…
@Hobbesyall I Agree.
The claims for this case hold about as much water as a pail with no bottom. Just another company wanting a piece of the Nintendo pie.
I think they should take a pie to the face instead.
Looks like it's time for every single obscure company's pay day that patented something even vaguely similar to the Switch
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Looks a lot like a Game Gear, to be honest with you.
Okay, but does it have HD rumble?
@tamantayoshi Ah. I wasn't sure about it anymore since I don't remember reading about it. Thanks for clearing it up!
I think the most shocking thing is how Nintendo used its corporate might to not only rip off the small Japanese toy company who made these, but also bully them into silence:
As you can see, the controllers unclip from the device, allowing two-player gaming on a single screen. The Joy-Cons are a massive rip-off; a con indeed.
Nintendo should really up with an original idea for once.
Gamevice you will lose and Nintendo will take money out your pockets for trolling
@geox30
Before the iPhone there were blackberries and sidekicks, the iPhone was the first modern smartphone (yes there were other touchscreen devices, but they weren't capacitive and they didn't have phone functionality). Google came out with the first Android phone, the G1 shortly after (it still had a qwerty keyboard and track ball and slid open). As much crap as Apple gets, they absolutely deserve credit for the form/design and functionality of the modern smartphone.
As far as this lawsuit is concerned, it's obviously a last ditch effort on Gamevice's part to stave off bankruptcy, they haven't had a successful product, they're clearly desperate. They will lose, the Switch is clearly different from either of their products in several ways, and even if they lose, Nintendo has the money to outlast Gamevice in the appeal process.
Another console, another load of legal work for our dear Phoenix Wright. Least he's getting tons of cases from this.
Gamevice patent is for clip on controllers that use a dual connector and structural bridge to link controllers over tablet / phone. They are claiming the switch itself contains the connector and structural bridge. This is really a vast stab in the dark. They also raised $12.5 M 6 weeks ago. I can not but think they are seeing the investment in this court case as cost effective marketing to get the profile of their product raised. Seen in that light it is working.
Firstly, oh do behave crappy 3rd rate company that many have never heard of... And secondly, why now? Why not when Switch was first unveiled? Oh of course... Because your a greedy fetid little company.
Ooh, that's pushing it. The two products look vaguely similar. Well, to the Wii U. The mere idea of grafting a controller onto a system isn't anything that new. It's basically what the circle pad pro did.
Hey Nintendo is popular again and making lots of money!
Quick! Let's sue them with some flimsy "proof" cause the crap we made isn't selling jack!
It's always the case that the company starting legal proceedings has had no commercial success with a patent. So they 'sit on it' until they can use it for times like this. In the USA this is common practice, where a company will get teams of engineers to brain storm ideas, then get their lawyers to patent them. It's that very American mentality of running a companies business model on litigation, such low lives!
Gamevice should not battle Nintendo, but work with them. They should just use their know-how and make some great alternative joy-cons. Perhaps with a great and traditional d-pad?
Come-on Gamevice. There is a business opportunity here. Grab it!!!
@Moon If Nintendo could sue over a D-Pad, Analog Stick and ABXY they would have done it long before now.
@Maxtremors You forgot Symbian and Windows Mobile phones.
Oh, come on! Detachable accessories aren't a unique invention. If that's patent-worthy on its own, then Nintendo might as well counter-sue GameVice for their Wikipad stealing the design of the Wii U GamePad.
They have no case here, the only similarity is that both have controllers and a screen.
Analog stick layouts are different, the controllers don't separate like joy-cons, and it looks like they have a basic Android OS.
There's a very small chance this could hurt streaming app support though.
These patent lawsuits are bad for the industry but if things were reversed Nintendo would be doing the same anyways.
@Maxz
I'm hoping people are catching your sarcasm. It's been at least 33 years since Nintendo made that little handheld.
1. Wikipad holds no monopoly over devices that attach, patent or not. They can't say "no one else in the world is allowed to have removable parts".
2. Wikipad is for playing mobile tablet games with buttons, while still being able to remove the buttons and use the device as a tablet, whereas Switch is a dedicated gaming console-handheld hybrid, whose handheld button controls detach and double as a wireless console controller. Two totally separate things. Only commonality is... they attach (see point 1)
@shredmeister Rest assured, the post about Nintendo stealing an idea that they themselves came up with was indeed sarcasm.
@Hobbesyall
But it was a GBA crossed with a phone.
The novelty of an actual gaming phone with buttons is still lost on an alarmingly high amount of people.
@Maxz
Which I did find hilarious. Nintendo was always the biggest innovator in gaming. Those Gamevice guys need a history lesson. lol
@shredmeister Oh man, I'm sorry if my post sounded a little strange. I completely misread your post! I'm not sure if you noticed that I hadn't noticed what you actually said, but my first scanning of it was, "I'm hoping that what you've written is sarcasm", rather than "I'm hoping people are catching your sarcasm". I think I just auto-filled all the words between "hoping" and "sarcasm".
I should really read every word more carefully! It must've been strange being assured that a post you'd already clearly identified as sarcasm was indeed sarcasm. I'm just glad I didn't write anything to catty, like "DUH IT'S SARCASM!".
People say it's hard to identify sarcasm on the net, but clearly I have difficulty identifying people who have already identified something as sarcasm.
@Maxz
The only thing I find you guilty for is making me go find my old Donkey Kong Game & Watch (not the one in your picture, but the one that flips open like a DS). Ahh...nostalgia.
Aren't comic book companies like DC and Marvel ripping each other off all the time?
Pfft Goodluck with that lawsuit. Lol at best.
I want Reggie to come into the court room with skulls representing the past failed lawsuits against Nintendo. He will then slowly turn his around to face the group against Nintendo and say, "My body is ready."
The commercial states: "Our controller feels just like an Xbox or PS3 controller." hmmm
@rjejr that is copywrite, not patents. They are two different things. You can weaken your claim to copywrite if you don't defend it, that is not true with a patent.
That is why Nintendo vigorously defends their IP (which is copywrite) because if they don't, if someone wanted to release something that truly did harm the brand the courts could choose to allow it to continue because Nintendo ignored other infringement. You don't lose your copywrite, you just weaken your standing if you allow rampant infringement and decide to attack one instance of it.
The only way to lose a patent is for the courts to invalidate it for being to broad or not patentable, or for the time to run out.
You can completely lose a trademark though if it becomes to generic, Aspirin is an example of such. This is something Google is constantly fighting.
I somehow don't think these things have HD rumble, that weird camera on the left joy con, NFC readers, the detach and slide, gain shoulder buttons in detached mode, be able to become two separate controllers in detached mode, or connect to the joy con grips and wrist straps.
I think that's the seven differences the earlier poster alluded to.
@Tate24 If Gamevice wins this case then they are going to have thousands of angry and unhappy people on their hands, including me since I don't have a Switch yet.
They won't win. Nintendo has some of the industry's fiercest lawyers and I don't think GameVice can do anything about that. This might end on day 1 in the court itself.
@Crono1973 I'm not suggesting that Nintendo should sue anyone. I just think it's funny that Gamevice have the audacity to sue when they are clearly using some of Nintendo's innovations in their devices.
Gamevice is very stupid. The whole concept of modern day videogaming is based on of what nintendo brought to the industry, especially when it comes to handheld gaming. If i was nintendo i would sue them till their mothers!!!
@MadAdam81 bingo. Absolutely destroy them. It sends the right message to anyone bothering to nag them.
Never ends with these huh?
@MadAdam81
I was about to say the same thing until I seen your comment.
@Moon I know you just want to score points for Nintendo but Nintendo is quick to act against those who infringe on their copyrights and patents too and they either realize that they can't sue over the things you mentioned or that it isn't worth it. Either way, saying 'but they are an analog stick' is poor defense.
It's turn out Gamevice did know about the success of the Nintendo Switch after all and the CEO of that company did praise its success back in May. Seems like they just flip-flop and decided it's better to just sue Nintendo according to the PlayerEssence.
@Tyranexx
Here's how it'll probably go down for them (Popo=Nintendo)
http://www.pocketgamer.biz/...
Quote from this article:
"The idea of mobile phone game controllers more akin to those for consoles has been around for a while, but the Nintendo Switch’s early success with the hybrid console/tablet model has highlighted its potential for mobile gaming.
“The Switch has proven that consumers want a form factor that is portable and mobile,” Gamevice CEO Phillip Hyun told PocketGamer.biz.
“It helps us that Nintendo will also be pushing to bring better content to this type of platform.”"
This was from May. Three months later, and Gamevice is suing. These guys are frauds, period
@westman98 someone send this to nintendo it can used as evidence!
This device attaches to another device for it's functionality. Joy-cons detach or attach and come as a complete unit. I don't understand how this is all that similar.
@UmniKnight
So people can say what they want and get away with it?
oh wait, it's the Internet..Should have known that opinion doesn't mean jack here.
I often agree with you, but the Switch is nothing like the Wii U. Nothing at all.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"The Wikipad looks like a modified Wii U gamepad. And sure the Switch itself is a modified Wii U."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
No.
Hope Nintendo counter sues, takes their patent portfolio and shut the company down for good, i hate greedy companies.
Saying you can patent removable controllers is like saying you can patent removable wheels. It's nonsense. Gamevice just wants to try an make some money since their crappy products certainly don't.
@Crono1973 Whether or not Nintendo could, would or should sue is besides the point I was trying to make. I don't doubt that Nintendo would sue anybody for infringing on their stuff if they could. I was just saying it's a bit funny how Gamevice are clearly using things Nintendo invented (for example, the D-Pad), and have the balls to sue Nintendo. I didn't mean that Nintendo should use these facts as evidence against Gamevice.
There's no case what so ever here.
Joycon controllers work separately to each other from the console tablet and in co-junction with it too............Gamevice does not have the tech to do that.
Nintendo will take that company to bits and completely rinse it out of money in court then for Nintendo to counter sue.
These are so dissimilar this case is doomed to failure. This would be the same as if say Ouya tried to sue Nintendo for having a wireless controlder on there console. The idea has been done before and will be done again. The way they interface is so dissimilar this should be dismissed easily in court.
@Moon You are using the D-Pad, Analog Stick and ABXY placement as a basis for comparison so you can attack them for it. That comparison is not valid though because Nintendo either can't or won't sue over those things.
HA! No one wins patent cases against Nintendo. Good luck game vice! Your gonna need it. 😂
I can just imagine the conversation at Gamevice... 'Right, guys, no one wants our product so let's sue the world's most beloved video game company, and try and have their insanely popular new console banned from being sold. That will absolutely generate the goodwill we're looking for, bring the customers to our doors and increase sales of our tacky, cheap-looking product!'
@Destron "The only way to lose a patent is for the courts to invalidate it for being to broad or not patentable, or for the time to run out."
Well were did you come from, don't usually get intelligent comments on here.
Well either way, if somehow they do have a patent, they still might as well take people to court over it, no? Otherwise what's the point of going to the trouble of getting the patent in the first place?
@rjejr Funny thing is that although it wasn't ironclad evidence, there certainly were more clues pointing towards it NOT being what it has ultimately become, mostly due to the parties involved staying silent, and there were a myriad of clues pointing towards other options that actually were readily available if you didn't mind a bit of digging.
Apparently it's still a thing in the editor crew's minds that we didn't flat out believe them. To me that was simply logical since they too didn't provide any evidence other than claiming to have inside sources. Of course it is always easy to be "sure" of something if the evidence is more or less already in your possession, while we had to rely upon our own devices and ability to make rhyme or reason from what little information we had.
Although we could also have refrained from doing so altogether, but if memory serves me correctly, we started our weekly collage battle mostly due to the big parties, and mainly Nintendo themselves, not talking after talking so much about them not going to talk about the NX other than continuously confirming that something was coming...
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted, and I don't regret any of it, except for my secret email exchange with that low-level Ubisoft developer seemingly supporting at least part of my findings back then.
Here's hoping they'll be more forthcoming with information next time around. Or maybe we should just be expecting Switch 2...
P.S.
Sorry for the late reply: been off the grid for a while due to very unfortunate family circumstances.
In light of that, discussing and debating stuff on a gaming website didn't seem all that important or useful anymore, and to tell you the truth, it still feels a bit "off", but I guess it will all take some more time to gather my thoughts and feelings again.
I have been reading articles and posts again for some time, but especially certain people now annoy me even more than they did before, especially since they seem to enjoy some misplaced favoritism among certain people that could do something about multiple people's irritation concerning these very characters...
I've even considered canceling my account, but that feeling has now passed, and it was mostly fueled by thoughts in the heat of the moment and the situation I'm in right now. And like using that "ignore" button, canceling my account would feel like bowing down to those very people, and that is something that I will NEVER do, since I'm so far above them, both socially and intellectually, that I couldn't even justify doing that to myself, let alone to others who truly know me. /rant
(sorry for that last bit. Had to get that off my chest, though, and I figured that you'd be able to see it in the right perspective)
As for the article itself:
Bit of a double-edged sword, really. I agree with you in regards to them more or less having to sue, because of their own patent(s), but ultimately, and considering all the previous cases, history is already against them, and Nintendo usually has stuff like this locked up in ironclad contracts and patents of their own, so going to court over it will for at least 99.8% consist of an exercise in futility, in the end probably costing them more than they are ever hoping to gain.
As far as I know, Nintendo has only ever lost one or two cases, one related to the 3DS, and one that concerned Philips (believe it was about the Wii remote) but they settled and it cost them relatively little, and after that, they probably took additional measures to never let anything like that happen again, and their lawyers certainly are top notch, so somewhere in the not too distant future, I'm expecting nothing else than an article stating that Nintendo has won this case.
Obviously, I'm no lawyer, but even I can see that their designs nowhere near resemble either the Wii U or the Switch in any way, shape or form, other than them performing the same actions manipulating stuff on a screen, but all concerned definitions of apparel like that are too broad to pinpoint them to the Switch in any exact manner, if you ask me.
Then again: a Dutch saying states that if you don't shoot at all, you'll definitely be certain to miss, so in their minds, they probably thought "why not give it a go", and perhaps they'll be the third company that Nintendo will have to settle with...
@ThanosReXXX Sorry about the family problems, hope it turned out all right.
The new generation of commenters on this site seems to have gone down considerably so I know how you feel. Seems like 80% of the people we were having discussion with even 2 years ago are mostly gone now, replaced by a younger more obnoxious crowd. Though younger and obnoxious may be redundant to old guys like us. I'd never go thru the trouble to cancel my account though, at some point I'll just stop commenting, then I'll stop reading, then I'll stop caring. Of course I've been saying that for years now, I joined in June 2008, that's over 9 years ago, so I suppose I should at least stick around for my 10 year anniversary before fading away.
This is all that matters now anyway.
@rjejr I'm afraid things didn't, as in terminal...
But
I'll take no offenseI won't hold it against you, since I didn't give you enough details, so that's on me.But a simple problem or temporary disease wouldn't have me going off the grid for almost a month, so that might have been a hint as well...
And I might either follow your example, or stick around: there has to be some yin to these upstarts' yang to keep the universe in balance, no?
I also hope you stick around for some time to come. I see you commenting less and less as it is, so the search for palatable comments to read is getting to be a chore...
But like I said: I was also in a weird frame of mind when I thought of canceling, and I'm more or less over that by now, although I'm still hugely annoyed by unnecessary whining and negativity, something that is so proficient with people online, especially those of later generations than ours.
If some of them were standing right in front of us, we'd probably give them a good smack across the face and tell them to behave, but online anonymity has given them this almost wrongful power, of finally being able to say whatever crazy thing comes up in these cross-wired brains of theirs.
Didn't get that last sentence, nor the blinking (or is it winking?) dragon, unless you consider yourself to be one, and that must also mean you're a blue-eyed one.
Great combo: gray hairs and blue eyes. Gives it that whole "hard as steel" vibe. Well, that is unless you're rocking a beer belly underneath that solid steel look...
@ThanosReXXX Sorry things didn't work out.
" so the search for palatable comments to read is getting to be a chore..."
Few and far between. I did see jariw was back after a year long absence. He and I never got along, I tend to rub people the wrong way - you've probably noticed that - but at least he usually has succinct intelligent comments.
That blue-eyed dragon - as you've probably figured out by now - is form Game of Thrones, dragon zombie. I'm less a dragon, more this old groaning guy.
100 emails down, 450 more to go. Do you guys have crock pots aka slow cookers over there? Great way to both cook dinner and go thru email at once. Lazy multi tasking.
@rjejr Yeah we do. The Netherlands is definitely a gourmet country. Everyone always thinks cheese, windmills and tulips, but just like all the prejudices they have about us [Americans], most of that is utter nonsense.
They have a wild variety of kitchens and apparel here nowadays, so pretty much anything that you can come up with can either be bought/eaten here or you can make it yourself.
I figured you were behind again with the emails, but on the other hand I also contemplated I might have scared you off with the previous comment, but I see you didn't quite get that message. That's on me again, though, since I decided to be cryptic about it in my previous comments, since I wasn't really planning on sharing with the whole community. But I also like clarity, so here goes:
I meant terminal in the literal sense of the word: at the end of July, I lost my mom. She has been sick for quite a while already (Alzheimer's) and because of it, she hasn't been communicating for years, so for her it was kind of a release, but for us it was really more of a blow than I expected, even though we as a family didn't want her to suffer any longer as the symptoms started to progress and worsen.
I'm slowly getting used to it now, since we're now well over a month past that event, but I do have some dark moods every now and then. So, now you might understand what kept me from going to one of my favorite game sites and why all of that didn't seem so important or useful anymore in light of what has happened...
I'll probably remove this comment in a couple of hours, because I don't feel the need to do a community sharing with this. Unfortunately, we still don't have the option to do private messaging, an option that every self-respecting site could and should have.
As for the Dead King: looks like he's in desperate need of a burgundy sweater...
P.S.
What's with the Anglo-Saxon avatar? Please don't tell me you've got a man crush on that cantankerous idiot that spoils over half of the comments sections over here with his negative and delusional bile...
Gamevice can drop dead.
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