Nintendo's home console hardware, for the third successive generation, is betting the farm on a concept rather than raw graphical power. After the blend of power and concept (if a cube with a handle counts as a concept) saw the GameCube struggle (compared to its predecessors), Nintendo shifted focus with its home gaming systems under the leadership of Satoru Iwata. The Wii was a small standard definition console defined by motion controls in a market where rivals pitched HD gaming, and the little box sold over 100 million units. The Wii U's concept was dual screen / asynchronous gaming, with 'off-TV' included, but it struggled badly and was discontinued after four years.
The Nintendo Switch is, well, a hybrid. When you cut through all of the PR and blurb the console itself is a tablet in form, utilising Tegra mobile technology that was cutting edge around 18 months ago (and is still used in current-gen NVIDIA Shield hardware). Nintendo, of course, has positioned the console as a home gaming system, with the option to intuitively dock the hardware to instantly go from the portable screen to TV gaming. When docked the system pushes harder (not having to worry about battery conservation) and in various cases delivers the same games at a higher resolution. Binding the hybrid approach are the Joy-Con controllers, detachable units that can work as 'standard' dual stick controls together or as quirky little Wii Remote-style options.
When you outline the core concept in a nuts and bolts manner, and when you also consider some key features still missing (such as streaming and broader entertainment apps) it's easy to be down on the system. E3 also brought home a key message recently, that some major big-budget GPU-straining multiplatform games won't get close to Switch. This has included the usual candidates like Assassin's Creed and Star Wars: Battlefront 2, and in a more painful example (for ongoing Nintendo gamers) Monster Hunter: World. There's a gap in graphical technology once again, and even if the Switch running full speed docked can deliver close to the results some multi-platform games demand, concessions seem inevitable when catering to the limitations and lower clock speeds of the portable unit.
As is the norm with Nintendo hardware - due to that concept focus - plenty are vocally unimpressed. If you dare go below the line to any Digital Foundry Switch video on YouTube you'll see it (though pretty much all systems get a kicking in different ways), but some established industry figures feel the same way. Just recently the much-loved composer Yuzo Koshiro expressed uncertainly of the value of Switch beyond a narrow set of parameters.
Switch strikes me as a very Nintendo-like piece of hardware. The games that Nintendo makes haven't really changed over these past 20 years. They've had recent hits like Splatoon, but looking at the hardware, it seems made for games like Mario, Mario Kart, Splatoon ... it seems like they simply wanted to make a system that would allow them to make those games more dynamic, so they could add more expression to their games. They only really want to have people enjoy their own games more. It doesn't really seem like they are being that adventurous with the system.
If Nintendo is going to keep up with the Switch, I think they'll need cheaper models, or maybe to make them lighter. If they were to do that, it could become a replacement for the 3DS ... but, of course, Nintendo has said themselves that that is not what they're planning to do. It kind of makes me think, 'Why does this thing even exist, really?' In other words, it's a game system that will allow people to enjoy Nintendo games even more, but at the same time, I'm not really surprised by it and don't really feel there's anything novel about it.
That's absolutely fine and differing opinions are expected, but oddly Koshiro-san actually defines part of the reason why Switch is needed - and its purpose in the market - without realising he's doing so. He talks about the system making Nintendo titles more dynamic, which is just what the company needed. When the complaint is also made that Switch isn't 'adventurous', I also wonder what people want from the company - a system that fires rainbows out of the cartridge slot?
I'm being a little disingenuous there, I admit, but I think it is important - post-E3 and ahead of a big second half of the year - to make the case for what the Switch is all about, and why that's a good thing. The strength of the Switch, and why it's had a solid start while the Wii U never truly had any momentum, is that the concept is immediate and understandable. Importantly, it's also desirable, not for everyone - of course - but for an audience that is still ensuring that hardware demand is outstripping supply.
For one thing, the Switch form factor is familiar and appealing - it's a tablet (which many own of various kinds) that also docks easily and instantly with the TV, and has control options for various settings. It can sit in the dock looking like a portable / toaster and happily bring us console-level Nintendo games, or it can be a nifty portable. What it also gives is flexibility and freedom to share with others.
I'm in a family with multiple Switch systems, so I see first hand how the mix of simplicity and flexibility works. We visit each other's houses, compare game progress, swap systems around in docks, clip and unclip Joy-Con controllers and play various games in various ways. It's the joy of Nintendo portable gaming allied with easy sharing, home console play and instant multiplayer. At times we're playing our Switch systems like portables, at others we're gathered around the TV.
Aside from sharing with others, I love the feel and design of it, and enjoy playing a number of 'Nindie' titles that are already fleshing out my collection. The key to me, though, is combining that accessible functionality with colourful, fun games. I've argued before that the industry needs the PC, PS4, Xbox One and mobile spaces. All offer something different, and that's important. At E3 we saw a lot of mature, serious, violent, narrative-driven games of different types at the Sony and Microsoft conferences - realism was a key pitch along with 'hardcore' gaming, sci-fi and so on. Some of those games look amazing, but many were also very brown and grey - or sports.
The industry needs those games, and they matter; I personally enjoy various multi-platform, PC and PS4 exclusives (in my case, I'm not getting into the PS4 / Xbox One 'wars'). Games like those outlined are a part of my gaming diet. Yet there's a reason I've spent years of my life now writing about Nintendo games, systems and the third-party content they attract; they give me a bit more. When you look at Nintendo games they're often colourful, quirky, ingenious, smart - look at ARMS, out just last week, it's bonkers. These sorts of games are different, and when the Wii U struggled and the releases dried up it felt like we were starting to lose that freshness in the broader gaming world, with the 3DS also infrequent in enticing releases in 2016.
With the 3DS bolstered by Pokémon and with some interesting games on the way, and the Switch generating buzz, we have that Nintendo touch once again. Critics point out how the Switch isn't like PS4 and Xbox One, but that's the whole point. Nintendo isn't replacing or even directly battling Sony and Microsoft, not stylistically - it offers an alternative. For some that Nintendo style is all they need in gaming, for others it sits alongside a PC and/or another console; that's fine.
PlayStation global sales and marketing head Jim Ryan recently said the "the industry is better and stronger when Nintendo is strong", and that's right. The Switch is the latest example of why that's the case, as it's creating buzz and interesting a broad range of people, from serious gamers to those that are aware of Nintendo brands and like the opportunities the hybrid concept affords. Of course, various areas of the internet like to believe the 'blue ocean' of consumers is less relevant than gigaflops and resolution, but all of those factors have their place.
We don't yet know how well Nintendo Switch will sustain its strong start, but at least it has early momentum, to the degree that Nintendo has failed to make enough units to satisfy everyone. Yet we know it'll deliver bright, colourful, intriguing, delightful gaming. Nintendo's own games will do that, but then we see the likes of Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle from Ubisoft, and the pleasing range of exciting indie download titles due this year and beyond. Developers of all sizes and types look at the system and they don't see a tablet or a console lacking raw grunt - they see a hybrid system, cool controllers and a chance to connect with Nintendo's audience.
The purpose of the Nintendo Switch is to offer that alternative, to be something vibrant and bright. Beyond petty console 'wars', it's an important part of a games industry that's bigger and more varied, arguably, than ever before.
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Yep, Nintendo Switch is a highlight of what fun means. It not a multimedia device, its a games console. Sure it can't play a Blu-ray or even a DVD but it's alright. Fun is something to be brought back to the living room. The Switch accomplishes this but goes even further. It makes fun return to pals homes, your bedroom, public transportation, and even your bathroom.
Is it a port machine? For right now yes it is. But it is the best damn port machine I have ever rested my eyes upon. Can't wait till more games come out. It is then when I can recommend it for every and any one. But for now I shall enjoy myself. Thank you Switch.
I really hope we get to see more cool joycons. Would love Zelda ones.
More people need to give the Switch an honest shot and not just go "oh nintendo, kiddy blappers ahoy!". Always have the best kind of fun with Nintendo consoles, and aside the lack of games (loving whats coming though) the switch would be far higher on my play list.
But it's not about having:
~ apps
~ a browser
~ Virtual Console
~ Miiverse
~ Street Pass
~ Netflix
~ decent memory storage
~ backwards compatibility
~ decent battery life
~ Wii U ports being budget priced
~ a microphone
~ a camera
~ a D pad on the standard controller
~ analogue triggers
~ ability to transfer saves or cloud storage
~ free online gaming from next year
~ Youtube
~ real AAA 3rd party support
~ a second screen
~ cutting edge technology
~ normal voice chat.
For those unsure of... This article is about EIRE, right?
It's a very creative piece of hardware. Just holding it makes me a little happy. I hope game developers feel the same way and go through lenghts to make their games fit for the switch. Nonetheless the current line-up looks great. Mario, Metroid, can't wait!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE "and when you also consider some key features still missing (such as streaming and broader entertainment apps) it's easy to be down on the system"
Articles like this are one of the main reasons I visit this site.
We are truly fortunate that Nintendo are still doing their thing. Long may it continue.
Now you've gone and made me want to buy a Switch
I certainly love my Switch. Especially the modular control design and intuitiveness of it. The lineup of games this year are some pretty great ones imo, and by next year I believe we'll really see the Switch's game library really takeoff.
I understand the point you are making in the article about the freshness and the alternative style of Nintendo games. When the Switch came out I decided to make it my main gaming console because yes I do enjoy all the Nintendo titles but also because I like the portability factor of the console since it fits my lifestyle. When you are married with kids being able to sit down in front of a TV is hard to do. That being said I know many of us Switch owners would love those "Serious PC /PS4/ XBox" AAA titles to be released on Switch also! When I had my PS4 and Vita I pretty much beat the Witcher and Dark Souls 3 on my Vita streaming. Publishers need to realize that many people want to play their games on the go.
The Switch is about ME. Put on some headphones crank up the volume and zone everyone out. Please more single player experiences Nintendo but I do like the colors. Thinking on getting a second pair of joycons because the grey is getting stale.
Yeah, a big selling point of Nintendo hardware is the excitement it provides. Playstations and Xboxs are fine but they are just dull black boxes pumping graphics. Some of the games are good but far more are uninspired shoot-it fests. From the front-loading spring loaded NES to the colorful buttons on SNES GCN and 64, Nintendo consoles always catch your eye on a shelf.
Before the Switch, the console dictated where you play, and by extension, when you play and who you are able to play with IRL. This truism has been obliterated by the Switch.
@BLP_Software Cutting edge technology isn't coming and AAA 3rd party support isn't likely coming to Switch either.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE It's like you didn't read the article at all. I feel like you're just trolling at this point.
@JBDD
If it was possible to FIND a Switch!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I actually agree with you post fully! Except... I just have this weird feeling that you are being facetious =) Those things are nice, but definitely not needed.
AAA support seems to be coming, and we've already got great games from Nintendo (With more on the way) and the indies have been fantastic. I'm fairly certain the Switch will go down as my favorite console to date when all is said and done.
EDIT: "Cutting edge" technology is a weird thing harp on the Switch about. Cutting edge compared to what? It is top of the line when compared to any other portable. Sure, it's not on par with the current gen home consoles, but those aren't the size of a small tablet either.
@ninkza Of course I read it. Thanks for your contribution about the story though. Oh wait, you didn't make one.
Yesterday evening, I was playing Mario Kart. It suddenly struck me that I am playing a console grade game on frickin handheld. I mean, look at 3DS and now this! I was so overjoyed by such a miniscule and old realization that I couldn't hold it in, I had tell my mom who was watching tv of how amazing I think this console is.
It is truly the first Nintendo console I don't play for the games alone for over 15 years. I play because I LOVE the hardware. When I stand next to it after getting dressed, I like to pick up my joy-cons, feel them in my hands, maybe put them onto the Switch, pull it out and feel it in my hands. Maybe switch it on, look at my ever growing library of games (that is most certainly already bigger than in WiiU's entire first year ). It's not like the Gamepad or the Wiimote's wonky motion controls that always made my gaming experiences a tad uncomfortable.
I don't care if the first year is mostly ports as long as I can play them on a console I actually really like. Same goes for Nindies. And I can't wait to play SNES and N64 games on it. I, as a personal sentiment, don't need AAA titles that look graphically so realistic they all look the same.
Finally, I realized that Switch is Nintendo's first non-gimmick since GameCube. Instead of changing how we play, the Switch changes where and when we can play and this is something that differentiates Nintendo from Sony and Microsoft who think putting even more chest hair on an NPC would make a game better.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE If Nintendo PR is to be believed, Virtual Console, Netflix and Youtube are all coming to the system eventually. Remember, the Wii U launched without a Virtual Console, as well.
Besides streaming video services (which will surface down the road), which apps do you feel the Switch needs? And how many people actually use the browsers on their consoles, anyway?
Lack of real AAA third-party support and cutting edge technology didn't prevent the Wii, DS and 3DS from providing fun experiences and being respective commercial success stories. People have never bought Nintendo consoles for the most cutting-edge technologies or third-party games.
Fundamentally, none of your complaints constitutes a compelling reason to write off the console as you have. Your nitpicking never ceases to entertain me, though.
I'm in the fortunate position in having a friend that owns a switch, lives close by, and loves local co-op, so I've had plenty of time playing one, and actually got to try out arms last night (wasn't bad, need to see more than local 1v1 though.)
Owning a PS4, Xbox 1, Gaming PC, WiiU, and 3DS/Vita and only having a few hours a day to game means literally having to pick a game and try to make some progress. That is, of course, assuming no one wants to play Overwatch, BF1, etc.
Not bragging or complaining, but I really don't have the room or the time for another console in my life, especially with so few games at the moment that are exclusive to the system, and can be had elsewhere cheaper.
On a side note, the joycons, even after probably 20+ hours of use, are not comfortable, or "cool". They're small and very uncomfortable, to the point that I bought my own 8bitdo controller just to bring to my friend's house for MK8 or bomberman.
I think in order for me to "need" a switch, I need to see more exclusive games. Prime 4 pretty much has me onboard, and Odyssey is shaping up as well, but i feel like I can safely wait a year or two before I need to pick one up. But it's currently not enough for me to clear off a spot in my schedule, or on my entertainment center.
@GoldenGamer88 ha, I think I have a serious problem with my Switch and it's library of games. I think I already own more Switch games than I do Wii U games over it's entire lifespan... It's just so tempting to pick up a $10-$15 indie ever week or two on the Switch. Games I would have completely passed up before are so much more appealing now, simply because I can play them on the TV or on the go. I went into this knowing that I would love the hybrid concept, and even then I underestimated just how much I would love it.
@RedMageLanakyn Decided to tag you, because my experience with the Switch somewhat addresses your scenario. I definitely have less time to play games than I used to, but having them on switch makes it easier to pick up for a few minutes, and put down (Regardless of save points), and jump back in within a few seconds. Then again, I only game on PC and my Switch, so I don't have a backlog of XBOX/PS4 titles like you may, but I do have a few on PC.
I'm really not sold on the Switch, yet. First of all, the Wii U felt abandoned and I invested heavily into its library of games. It's now become obsolete as no new titles are being developed for it. Nintendo wants my money again with a new console, but why should I keep spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on new hardware and games when they've clearly demonstrated they struggle to work with 3rd party developers, struggle with marketing their gaming consoles and (when things get tough) they bail on those consoles and make a new one?
I like the concept of the Switch, but it's Nintendo that has made me buyer beware of their way of doing business. I feel kind of betrayed, to be honest. Just my two cents.
For me, it's about Nintendo's (few) but great games. I'd be happy playing these on PS4, so it's not really about the device. For me, the pro-controller is essential, and it's not included. I'm not a fan of the joy cons unless it's something like a SwitchSports. There's alot that can be done with the joy cons, but Nintendo isn't really showing how they are a must have. The portability isn't a selling factor at all for me.
But I need the Switch to play Mario Odyssey and Metroid Prime 4. It'd be nice for some big third party titles to be on Switch, but I guess many Nintendo fans call these titles trash (unless they are on the Switch too).
@roadrunner343 Same here. During the WiiU days, every week when this week's downloads popped up, I mostly skimmed over stuff, maybe watched a trailer or two from time to time but with Switch, I almost await new and exciting games to buy. I think it does have indeed something to do with Switch's versatility but also that it feels immensly better to hold it then 3DS or WiiU.
@roadrunner343 Unfortunately, I just can't get comfortable using the switch in handheld mode. After about 10 minutes, my hands get cramped from the joycons, and i really don't have a good tabletop setup to make it worthwhile either. I need to be comfortable when gaming, and it's very hard to do when holding a system, which is why my 3DS/Vita are mostly played in hotels or during trips.
@RedMageLanakyn
Yeah, I don't really enjoy it as a handheld. It's awkward.
@WOLF1313
Well, IF I can get my hands on a Switch, I really only plan to use it as a home console.
@RedMageLanakyn Ah, that's a shame, but understandable. I don't really have issues with it in portable mode, and I would say I play 75% portable, 25% docked. I find the larger system size makes the Switch more comfortable and easier for me to hold than my Vita or 3DS.
Somehow I feel like this article was targeted towards me XD
Apart from that it's true that the Switch is doing better than the Wii U did, now all we need are those streaming apps, AAA titles, and the list goes on @SLIGEACH_EIRE did a good job of explaining what else is missing.
The Switch is the best system I've owned in years. Just needs virtual console to feel complete to me. Though Netflix, Amazon, HBOGO, and VRV wouldn't make me cry. Then I could put away my Xbox One. Loving my library of games on the Switch!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE and its still a success so far! Goes to show that those things don't really matter compared to good old fun and games. Although many of those points will make their way to the device sooner or later.
I thibk's it's great how involved Bethesda has been as well.
@RedMageLanakyn I'm in the same boat where I have all the consoles but can't play too much. That is actually where the Switch works best because you don't have to be tied to one spot when getting through a game.
@roadrunner343 I have molded grips for both my 3DS and vita, which make them playable for probably an hour before I start cramping up. I have giant hands! I absolutely love the switch and wiiu pro controllers though, I can play on those for hours.
@brutalpanda Like I had mentioned above, I really can't use the switch in handheld mode for more than a few minutes before my hands get cramped. I only have 1 TV in my house, so putting the dock elsewhere is a no go unless I also get another TV, which I also have no room for. I just need a bigger house!
@Fingeldor if you youtube news reports from 1991, parents felt the same way when Nintendo unveiles the Super Nintendo. If you like Nintendo's games, and by your large and impressive WiiU library I assume you do, you're going to want a Switch eventually. They didn't stop supporting the WiiU out of spite. They had to make it clear that the Switch is their new home console even if many of us use it portably constantly. A failing Nintendo was the only option othet than this is the new Nintendo console and if that had happened, you'd have just as many WiiU games to play as it could've been their last home console.
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@SH007ME The Karen meme needs to die; the actress doesn't even seem like a big gamer.
@PigmaskFan
Sorry to hear you haven't found one...hope you do soon.
The notion that the Switch isn't adventurous is lunacy. Now I am not bashing Sony or MS, but frankly the PS4 is nothing more than a more powerful PS3, which was a more powerful PS2, etc. Same with XBox. Nintendo always innovates and if there is one word that could describe the Switch, it is, in fact, adventurous. You can take the thing anywhere and play with anyone, in any style you want. I mean, just a few weeks ago, I was literally in the middle of the jungle playing Breath of the Wild atop the 3rd tallest Mayan pyramid in the world. If that's not adventerous, I don't know what is!
Its purpose is to pass butter.
@invictus4000 I agree on the hardware level. But there's also the point that MS/Sony usually embrace new "gaming tendencies" , such as supporting Twitch. streaming, voice/party chat and so on, while Nintendo most of the time acts as if this doesn't exist.
I REALLY love my Switch, I use it all the time, I've put more hours into my 3 months with the switch than I did last year altogether with PS4/Wii U. I love the concept, the games, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed with Nintendo on the way they handle OS, online and social features for their platforms.
I still don't need one. All I care about is PC and -dedicated- handheld gaming.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
~ apps - you don't need these right now. It is after all a games console. Whether or not people want apps will affect their decision on the purchase but clearly more than a few people are happy to have it as a game console only. Myself included. I have my phone and smart TV for all the apps I need anyway.
~ a browser - again, I have my phone and smart TV as do most people now.
~ Virtual Console - no. You expect virtual console because you've had it for the last two generations. But really. Do you need it? Again, no.
~ Miiverse - No One wants this do they?
~ Street Pass - I agree this would be nice but again you don't really need it.
~ Netflix - This comes under apps and I've already stated my feelings. You don't need it. You have Netflix on your TV/computer/phone and you can stream to a TV now too.
~ decent memory storage - maybe but that would lead to an increase in price. Do you want that too?
~ backwards compatibility - that's easy to implement but does anyone actually buy a console for backwards compatibility? Didn't think so.
~ decent battery life - it's 3 - 6 hours. Around 3 hours for a moderately powerful game. That is not an issue at all. It is after all first and foremost a home console and if you really want to increase battery life, buy a power case.
~ Wii U ports being budget priced - I don't see why they should. Anyone who already owns the wii u game already has the wii u and doesn't have to buy the game on the switch. It actually makes sense from a business standpoint to sell it as a new game considering especially that the wii u didn't have a wide reach in the first place.
~ a microphone - buy a headset.
~ a camera - no one cared about that. The ps4 and the xbox one don't have one but can be purchased optionally I think.
~ a D pad on the standard controller - There is a reason for there being no d-pad on the joy con and it's so that when you hold each joycon they feel the same, especially since they can be used as separate controllers in multiplayer games.
~ analogue triggers - again these don't matter unless you are playing driving games really.
~ ability to transfer saves or cloud storage - I agree with you on this one but Nintendo have acknowledged that there is demand for this.
~ free online gaming from next year - why keep it free when every other console out there charges? And really if they make money from online subscriptions then that can be spent on other places like paying for better 3rd party games on switch or buying the components for the switch they need to keep up with demand.
~ Youtube - you legit don't need this on your Console. It's a game Console for christ sake. Not a multimedia device. You have your phone for this.
~ real AAA 3rd party support - most people who buy a Nintendo console buy it for Nintendos games. AAA 3Rd party support is a luxury.
~ a second screen - that worked so well with the wii u. Clearly not. Why does it need a second screen? This is basically what the DS series is.
~ cutting edge technology - again who says you need this for a successful console? Look at how fast the switch has sold. Even faster than the Wii and people know it's not as powerful as an xb1 or ps4. Nintendo consoles really are about the fun and do you really think increasing the price and size of the device to include cutting edge technology is the correct answer?
~ normal voice chat - yes the switch needs this but proper online chat etc... Is a few months away and we still don't know the official way Nintendo wants this to work.
Almost every point here I straight up gave you the reason that it isn't needed.
You need to understand a lot of things about Nintendo which you clearly don't.
I assume you don't own a switch? I also assume you have no intention of getting one.
Oh and I also guess you get off on trolling Nintendo comment areas because you have nothing better to do.
While the Switch is an interesting concept and therefore good alternative, let's not forget it can still do incredible HD graphics. The console can deliver on that front. Breath of The Wild alone is proof of that.
@duducamargo Some very good counter points you make. The voice chat thing in particular is a frikin JOKE.
@invictus4000 Meant it more as a addition to your point. I completely agree with you on the Switch being adventerous.
I just keep thinking so many cool features we could have on the system if Nintendo really wanted to double down on these features that are outside of the gaming scope.
" I also wonder what people want from the company - a system that fires rainbows out of the cartridge slot?"
RUMOR: Laura Kate Dale says Nintendo prototype for new Switch model to fire rainbows out of the cartridge slot.
(But does it have Beyond Good & Evil 2?)
@SLIGEACH_EIRE "A second screen"
Your complaint about the Switch is always that it is a "second" Wii U, right? But now you're wanting them to add a second screen to the Switch? Where is your logic?
And please, you're not in any position to talk about 'contributing' to anything.
I can't stand people who don't see that there are ports on all systems and there always will be. Deal with it. My PS4 is a port machine. Everyone excited over shadow of the colesses, like we all haven't been playing that for years. Well, some people haven't.
I haven't played skyrim, and can't wait for it on switch. Portable and home console in 1. Switch is barely 3 months and i already own more games for it then my PS4 thst I've had since launch. The sad thing is I don't even want to use my other systems anymore. And I think with the next 6+ months of games coming, the only nonswitch game I'll be playing is Samus returns.
And rocket league coming is pretty much the nail on my PS4 coffin.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Dude !
AAA 3rd party much for Nintendo ?!
2nd screen for Switch ?!
Youtube, Apps, Blah blah blah ?!
Are you nuts ?!
Just open your eyes and open your mind !
You keep being Delusional about Switch !
Geez...
@Freelance
Switch = Powerful Handheld from Nintendo.
Forget about "Dedicated" words.
You don't need that for Great gameplay experience.
Switch is NOT a mini PC !
So Never Ever treat Switch like a PC !
And when you consider to buy Nintendo products, 3rd party games are priority number 2 for Nintendo so better embrace yourself to accept a lot of 1st party games from Nintendo.
@NEStalgia
Some people here are Too Greedy for something.
They demand for ridiculous amount of nonsense features.
@PAHTK
Sligeach eire was complaining again as usual. I think he likes to got nagged by someone as your speculation about his mentality.
I'm all for 3rd party support.....I want to play every game that I want to play on Switch. Why can't Sony just stop making hardware and go Software only? There's no reason I shouldn't be able to just play Uncharted and Detroit on my Switch. It's so much more convenient!
@RedMageLanakyn that's a shame. Ergonomics are ergonomics...can't do anything about it....but you're missing the coolest feature on the system! The versatility is what makes it so amazing. I'm sure most of the grips out there won't help you much, they're not THAT deep....but yikes that's the coolest feature, it would suck to miss it!
@Fingeldor The existence of Switch doesn't suddenly render your library of WiiU games unplayable any more than my library of NES games is now unplayable. It still works, you can still play it, and in 10 years people will pay you 3x retail for it Splatoon, Pokken, and Kart are the only 3 games that more or less become obsolete due to Switch. Even the expected Smash, so far, seems to not be going to Switch, so WiiU is still the only real choice for Smash. I still have my WiiU plugged in....though TBH neither it nor my PS4 have been powered up since I got my Switch. Being upset about investing in hardware that got abandoned is understandable, but the investment in the library was not a waste, you still have them. If anything you got some rare titles that might be scalped for fortunes later. Nobody likes abandoned hardware but you really ahve to think about just how bad WiiU was doing. Switch is poised to outsell the WiiU's lifetime in a YEAR. There's no way they could have continued selling that.
@PAHTK No, it's about EA.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
I dunno man.... I count Disgea 5 and Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 as AAA third party support in my books, despite them being ports.
I have a 70 hour a week job, a young child and a Switch. Those 3 things complement each other pretty well. If I get held up in between meetings, I can play half an hour of ARMS, when my little girl goes to sleep, I can put some headphones on and sit by her cot and play some Zelda. I honestly couldn't give a crap about Netflix etc, I've got a fire stick for all my streaming needs! Super realistic games, I've got a PS4, but at this point I literally turn it on once a month to download the Plus games, I'm sure one day I'll have time to play them.
My point is, not all of us have all the time in the world to enjoy our hobby, and for us, the Switch is absolutely perfect!
@RedMageLanakyn
I was thinking if Joy Cons are mainly designed for Asian people's finger and when you said your fingers got cramped by using Joy Cons, I have no idea how did you hold the Joy Cons ?
My fingers are long , I am an Asian people but have no problem to hold my 3DS XL for long time without get cramped.
I'll tell you why the Nintendo Switch is my favorite console right off the bat. The games generally don't look overly realistic and depression inducing. I have seen so many shooters and games that focus on the dark side of everything that it is wonderful to see a sunshiny, happy, progressive, story-driven load of RPGs with co-cop and online play. When you use a lot of horsepower in a console,the games are always pushed to be so realistic they all wind up looking the same. We need to remember that games are an art; not a duty to replicate the real life that we want to get away from so badly. Nintendo was one of the first to have stories in a game; a vital aspect, and they Switch games so far have the smoothest online play I have ever encountered.
@Turbo857 I hope Xenoverse 2 has better matchmaking than it does on PC. I'm curious to see if Nintendo has Dimps correct the issue where you can't find games. So far, I'm very impressed with Nintendo's netcode. I have terrible internet and have yet to experience lag in Mario Kart 8 or ARMS.
@Jasspur
Bravo !
I like your comment about Switch for not being Too Powerful.
We don't need Too Realistic graphics.
We need Artistic graphics yet colorful, fun, whimsical, etc.
@duducamargo Very true. The Switch is amazing but there is a lot of untapped potential there I hooe they make progress on.
@Jasspur
I'd assume so. Smash on Wii U and Kart 8 DX on Switch provided me with seamless experiences online (so far). I expect Xenoverse 2 to follow suit. Just as long as it doesn't perform as bad as Budokai Tenkaichi 3's online experience for the Wii, I'll be satisfied.
I'm just pleased that somebody has finally made a console for grownups. People with jobs, commutes and families. A console that fits into that lifestyle. The speed with which you go from grabbing console to playing is fantastic.
At the same time the tech seems to be a sweet spot. A hugely powerful portable but with reasonable battery life, the most powerful Nintendo home console ever, and at a price that isn't stopping it selling.
Then the biggest surprise. Evidence that Nintendo have learned from previous mistakes. Attractive hardware, very few shoehorned in gimmicks for the sake of appearing to be innovative, a strong first 10 months of games and good marketing. That last one is especially shocking.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE But it will have Metroid Prime 4, which is greater than all those things you listed.
The Switch isn't perfect, and it is missing some features like Netflix and a browser (I don't know why anyone cares about that in this day and age where practically everyone has 5 different devices that have Netflix and internet access, but oh well), but I've had more fun in the few months that I've had with it than I have with any other console in years. That definitely counts for something, at least for me.
This is just my opinion, but this definitely feels more like the Nintendo from the NES to the Gamecube era than it does the Nintendo from the Wii/Wii U era.
@thesilverbrick I use the browser on my Wii U all the time. I find it much better, bigger screen, easier writing, etc than using my smart phone. I watched E3 on it.
I haven't written off the Switch, I just listed a few things it's missing, well a lot. Some can and will be remedied. Others can't and/or won't be.
@PAHTK I'm sure a fair number of people will wonder if this was written for one specific commenter. It was the first thing to pop into my mind.
@PanurgeJr @PAHTK On the payroll, a relative of someone high up in Nintendolife, or a staff member's spouse's brother. it's the only logical explanations.
@JSG87 Your reply reeks of Nintendo Defence Force. No, we don't need any of those things listed. Ya, right. Then you come out with this pearl:
"It is after all first and foremost a home console"
You should work for Nintendo. Actually, apply for Reggie's job. You sound just like him. The Switch is a handheld. As far I'm concerned, it's not even up for discussion.
Then, yada, yada, a lot more wrong guesses and assumptions. Your reply pretty much stinks from start to finish denying nearly everything that I wrote is needed.
@Donutman I get that people prefer new content to old. But the only way new content can be made is if the old content sold well enough to keep the studio's doors open. Ports help do that. They also help expand the audience, because some people...wait for it...this will be shocking...don't own every system, and the port will be their first chance to play a game. Ports aren't a bad thing, and it takes entitlement and self-centeredness (or whatever the damn noun form is) to think they are.
@crackafreeze What you've quoted wasn't my response. I added a few more alright, but mainly I changed it into a list rather than a paragraph.
@PanurgeJr Jose Otero of IGN puts it best I find, this was in an NVC podcast.
"Not every game is made for you, as shocking as that is, not every game is for you.
Don't want to pay for MK8 again, newsflash, you don't have too, it's for those who missed it or want to double dip, not everything Nintendo does is for you."
And I can't agree more.
@WiltonRoots main reason I say EIRE is because he's often harping on about not understanding why it exists.
Honestly, I've been coming here for years and I finally created an account because I was so smegging sick of him I wanted to hit ignore.
So I called him out for his hypocrisy over loving Wii U ports (Check the Darksiders review, he's like the 3rd comment praising it and the sequel. Both of which are ports) but hating ports on Switch then ignored him 😹
@PAHTK It really is amazing how many people are surprised when businesses target a larger audience than just them.
Well, tell you what... I finally gave in and ordered a Switch yesterday.
Switch is amazing. By far the coolest console I've ever owned. It's sleek and sexy, and the hybrid functionality is like a dream come true. Detachable little controllers with motion and HD rumble and can be used individually and split apart (without the wire or missing 2nd analog of Wiimote/Nunchuk), games instantly on TV then instantly on handheld... it's ingenius.
And what really solidifies Switch as my favorite console I've ever owned (and I've owned em all) is the games. Gosh dang... only months into the generation and we've got Zelda, one of the finest video games ever created, the best Mario Kart ever conceived, a slammin new IP Arms, about to have Splatoon 2, and Fire Emblem Warriors, and Xenoblade 2 (will be one of the best JRPGs this generation for sure) and Super Mario mother freaking Odyssey, the crown jewel of video games...
And we've got Pokémon, Metroid Prime, Fire Emblem, Kirby and Yoshi all pegged for next year (read new statement from NoA, all these are 2018 games!). And even if it is in Japanese, Monster Hunter XX releases in 60 days which, having an HD Monster Hunter with proper controls on handheld and console... that's a dream come true in and of itself! (and it's totally playable in JP, once you're in the hunt language makes no difference, plus it'll probably be localized next year anyways so).
That's before factoring in 3rd party games that are gonna be playable on the go for the first time ever, classics like The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim with all DLC expansions, Rocket League (such a great game, it really is), Dragon Quest XI and Mario Kingdom Battle (game looks mint), I Am Setsuna and Lost Sphear (gotta have those classic JRPGs), I know we have a Tales game coming and, if we actually see that Dark Souls Trilogy it'll be a wrap. And I'm confident it's coming because From Software is a partner and Switch can't stay in stock. They have no reason to shy away.
The only real disappointment I have is the newest Monster Hunter not making it to the Switch. But the fact Switch will surely be getting its own portable exclusive entries in the years to come makes it a little easier to swallow, and MHXX on a region free Switch, and... not every game comes to the console you want. Just play it where it's at and move on.
@PanurgeJr I know, I remember the day I learned the world doesn't revolve around me, oh, no, wait, I never had to learn that lesson ever as it's just common bloody sense 😹
@electrolite77 Really like and agree with this comment. It really gets to the core of why I think the Switch is connecting with people - and why it will gradually become a very strong and super compelling package.
Its good to read comments that take a constructive view of the wider subject and aims - as opposed to some that prefer just listing a bunch of spoilt excuses to grouch and get self esteem from notoriety.
Switch is heading in a really exciting direction. Bold decisions have been made with some fairly large compromises being risked on the core concept of a console that fits around your life. I think it's a striking move by Nintendo that will pay off big time.
@PAHTK It's kind of a bummer - the attention devoted to those posts on this site. Maybe it's because it's a mostly reasonable, discursive group and his comments jar with the generally reasonable tone.
I think some people think they're contributing critically - and inscisively - even boldly - but they're really just trolling under false pretences. I guess it's valuable for some to get attention of any kind.
I don't like to ignore people generally but I also don't want to continue to be part of the problem - may well use it at some point.
@JaxonH I don't know how you can say that after only 3 and a bit months. It doesn't have a library of games and has a tonne of problems to fix. Then the first 2 games you mentioned? They're Wii U games, not Switch games. And the rest you list? Most of them aren't out yet.
If you read my post in the Nintendo Switch thread you'll see that MP4 and Pokemon most probably aren't coming out in 2018. We all should know that ourselves really. MP4 definitely isn't coming out before 2019.
https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/nintendo-switch/what_do_you_think_the_nx_is_poll?start=15900#reply-15903
I love my switch and am pleased with it as a complementary system to my ps4. The games released thus far have been enjoyable and there seems to be at least one game per month coming up that me and my kids are excited about.
It's certainly not without its flaws but having a ps4 fills in those gaps well. I don't think I could live with it as my only console but it is great for what it does for me and that's play Nintendo games. I do plan on purchasing another in the future if Nintendo ever comes to grips with their one account/one system garbage and fixes it. I would already bought another one but don't want to have to buy 2 copies of every multiplayer game. Hopefully they change course on that soon.
All in all I think it's a great device and has tons of potential
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Why does it bother you so much to see other people loving the console? It does have a library of games (it's been out 3 months, and I've already got 14 physical games already another 30 digital, and 3 of those are in the top games I've ever played. And it's got a total onslaught of classic after classic after classic all year. Splatoon 2 drops in just a few weeks.
Those two games may be Wii U games, but they are also Switch games. Being on Wii U doesn't make them any less good. This isn't a console war where you list "nuh uh, that game isn't exclusive so that doesn't count". Zelda is every bit a Switch game as it is a Wii U game. In fact, even more so, because nobody gives a crap that it's on Wii U. Same for Mario Kart 8. Nobody cares if that game is on Wii U because nobody wants to play it on Wii U. It's missing a proper battle mode, DLC cost extra, tons of missing gameplay tweaks and improvements... nobody cares. It's awesome on Switch. It's portable on Switch. It's got a killer battle mode on Switch. It's an amazing game on Switch. Nobody cares about Wii U, and it doesn't make the game any less amazing on Switch.
if you read my post you would know
I don't read your posts in the forum, and I don't really care to. Going by what Nintendo of America said, all those games are 2018. And that's the end of it. But even if Metroid Prime did come later, so what? It's coming. And at the rate we're getting one amazing game a month, I don't think too many people will care how long it takes when they're being showered in amazing games nonstop. I know I won't.
@PAHTK "Not every game is made for you, as shocking as that is, not every game is for you."
Absolutely right - whenever I see discussions in here to do with things like Pokemon and a fair few RPG titles (the last one I played was Grandia II) plus things like Animal Crossing I have a habit of looking the other way. I'm sure they're great but they're just not for me.
@NEStalgia Oddly enough I played arms for about an hour straight last night using the joycons and motion controls and it felt great. I know they'll never make a bigger version of them, (joycon XL?) maybe a third party company could do it though.
@joytendo22 Those do look nice, and i might actually pick those up to see if they help. Nothing to lose really, if they don't work my friend will keep them!
Now, I don't want to get all hippy tree hugger about this, but kids (and consoles), celebrate what you are rather than worry about what you are not.
We aren't going to get shooty pow pow games, nor, apart from the odd blip, Resi, Tomb Raider, Assassins Creed et al - it's a deal you accept when you buy Nintendo.
Yes, I'm sad about that - imagine a Tomb Raider running on the Breath of the Wild engine... But dry your eyes.
Also, can someone explain to me why certain people knock the Switch for being underpowered yet are clamouring for dated Virtual Console games?
As for Netflix, apps... if only someone would invent Tablets or Internet ready televisions.
There is a list of genres and games I'd love on the Switch, but it's looking unlikely I'll be well catered for.
However, what the Switch does/will give me trumps what Sony or Microsoft can offer me, personally.
So I vote with my wallet. And don't moan about it.
Well said.
@Mii_duck Agree - well said.
It's easy to pick holes in anything that has been brought to market - because the process of doing so involves so many layered factors and choices - there will always be lots of compromises. Some of them solvable in time after release - some baked into the product and service by design.
And the fact that it's a product and service with a group of people who bought into the last thing you made - and bring their own very individual expectations - complicates it even further.
But Nintendo are a beacon of a company that stands out, not for being perfect, or flawless, or the most consistent. But for believing in their own core reason for being , having the guts and integrity to stake their reputation on creative risks and constantly re-imagining how to inspire their customers.
@JaxonH "Zelda is every bit a Switch game as it is a Wii U game. In fact, even more so, because nobody gives a crap that it's on Wii U. Same for Mario Kart 8. Nobody cares if that game is on Wii U because nobody wants to play it on Wii U."
No it's not every bit a Switch game and talk about arrogance. I care that Zelda: BOTW is on Wii U as do another million people. You know if Nintendo hadn't delayed it so long so it could launch with Switch, had kept the Wii U functionality, if it had been advertised, had even 1 Collector's Edition, had a decent print run, had it not been completely shunned once the Switch version was shown and many more reasons then it could have sold much more.
I also care that MK8 is on Wii U, as do over 8 million other people.
"I don't read your posts in the forum, and I don't really care to."
"Going by what Nintendo of America said, all those games are 2018. And that's the end of it."
No they're not and yet more arrogance. See ya.
@TossedLlama Just put on at every coffee shop table. They will accept it like a new caff planted in with a mother cow.
Nintendo just confirmed metroid prime 4 will be coming out in 2018 along with pokemon for switch.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
You sound like a salty Wii U fanboy who's mad that everyone else is enjoying these amazing games on a way cooler system.
And no. 8 million people used to care. Now... it's just you. Everyone else has moved on to bigger and better things.
I'm having the time of my life. But, I suppose if I didn't have a Switch to play I'd be constantly angry all the time too. Now I understand why you're so bothered to see people hyped and having a blast and loving playing games on their system. Deep down... you wish it could be you too. For now you'll have to keep convincing yourself it's by your own choice. Which apparently, judging by the frequency of your #*$& posts, you have to do constantly on a daily basis
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Things that haven't stopped me from spending 400 hours with the switch:
~ backwards compatibility (That's impossible, and you need to accept that. A switch is not a Wii U.)
~ Wii U ports being budget priced (Why should they be?)
~ free online gaming from next year (It's so freaking cheap. It's either this or complain about servers again.)
~ real AAA 3rd party support (Why are you on a nintendo forum?)
~ cutting edge technology (Why are you on a nintendo forum?)
~ a microphone (niche use, especially with their app they've told us about)
Things you're wrong about:
~ decent memory storage - Just buy an SD Card like everyone else. Not like it's the Vita.
~ normal voice chat - You're judging their implementation before seeing it
~ decent battery life - It's totally fine.
~ a D pad on the standard controller - There are third party options
Things that will likely be on Switch given time:
~ Youtube
~ Virtual Console
~ Netflix
~ a browser
~ apps
~ ability to transfer saves or cloud storage
Things that no one cares about:
~ a second screen
~ a camera
~ analogue triggers
~ Miiverse
~ Street Pass
@JaxonH Bigger and better things? The Switch is a portable Wii U. But as I've pointed out before, it's lacking some of those Wii U features.
@PoisonRain I spent over 400 hours playing BOTW on Wii U. And your whole response is pony.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"Portable Wii U"
Indeed it is. Portable Wii U and console, all in one. Only with an operating system that doesn't take 45 seconds to boot up and 30 seconds to go into system settings, and with a lineup that's going to dwarf the entire Wii U library in the span of 12 months (and with much higher quality games), and with instant camera function and detachable controllers, and with the ability to play local multiplayer anywhere with a 2nd controller built in, and every single game for the system offers a full console version (upgraded from Wii U, like Mario Kart being 1080p instead of 720p) and first ever HD handheld version (running full console games in the palm of your hand, bam), with cross buy and cross save permanently eradicated on a system level, and instantaneous switching between handheld and console (no more clunky save transfer tools, and that's if you're even lucky enough to get one after shelling out $100 for a Wii U and sub-HD 3DS version).
That's exactly what it is, and that's why people love it.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Who said you couldn't enjoy BOTW on Wii U?
Also, Pony? What?
@JaxonH No need for exaggeration, thanks. It doesn't take Wii U 45 seconds to boot up. It takes less than half that time. Yes the system settings menu is slow, Nintendo could have improved that but gave up on the Wii U early on. Just like they could have patched the Battle Mode into the Wii U version of MK8 . But then they wanted to charge people another €60 on Switch for otherwise near enough the same game.
And no the Switch library won't dwarf the entire Wii U library in 12 months.
They're 2 nerfed controlllers that need a strap to make them semi comfortable. And the right Joy-con isn't laid out well as a result of having to match the left Joy-con. I really like the layout of the gamepad and Wii U Pro controller.
The Switch has sold ~4 million units yet you act like the whole world has bought it.
Hey Guys I need your help. So I am going on a trip to Ireland soon. I have a US 3DS charger and I don't know how I will charge it in Ireland. Any suggestions? Thanks!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
When Wii U released, it took 45 seconds. Versus Switch's launch OS which is basically as fast as you can blink. Wii U was so bad they eventually had to patch in a quick start menu. Don't tell me I'm exaggerating cause I know how long it took... the painfully slow OS made you want to throw your system out the window before you ever even got to a game. God forbid you try to load settings or eShop.
nerfed controllers, need a strap
I take it you know this by your extensive firsthand experience? Please. Joycons rock. They are the most comfortable controller I have ever used. I wasted my money buying pro controllers that just sit on my shelf now. I'll be happy to post pics so you can see the layers of dust caked on them from not being used. The gamepad was a nice idea, and for one or two specific games benefitted greatly (Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate comes to mind). But it was heavy and big and clunky, and the screen wasn't even HD and 90% of the time you were holding a 1 foot controller for nothing.
I don't act like the whole world has bought it. But I do act like most everyone who has bought it loves it, and that it's selling as fast as they can make em. Which just goes to show how much people love it.
@Voldemort807
Try something like this. A universal adapter should do the trick
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007VQK8NA/ref=asc_df_B007VQK8NA5040815/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=395033&creativeASIN=B007VQK8NA&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167134163907&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1641235452965022649&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9018768&hvtargid=pla-307999811259
@SLIGEACH_EIRE You're very quick to judge a controller you've never used.
And yes, the Switch library will completely destroy the Wii U's library in very little time. There really is no comparison at all, especially when you consider the fact that the Switch will get pretty near all of Nintendo's major franchises as well as some of the smaller ones.
The portability is also killer. I'll take a portable console that can play the best Nintendo games we've seen since the Gamecube over a clunky system that has a toy-looking tablet for a controller and doesn't have nearly as many good games IMO.
@JaxonH
Thank you! So you would plug the normal adapter into this one?
@JaxonH You didn't say at launch. And the Switch being a portable Wii U, Nintendo don't need to repeat that mistake. And yes I too remember what the original OS on Wii U was like. To say it was horrific would be an understatement. I'd be interested in checking when Nintendo did a last substantial OS update for Wii U. It was years ago.
Edit: It was 3 years ago. They could have improved it more in the time since but kept those improvements for Switch instead. Just like they kept Pikmin 4 and other games.
The Switch seems so far to be a case of Nintendo doing well at being different. Their product is fairly unique and fulfills a desire in the market. There's also no denying that Nintendo puts out a high volume of colorful looking games that are also appropriate for children.
Despite this though, I disagree with some of the implications that seem to be present in the article. Nothing wrong with preferring Nintendo's output, but there are a lot of colorful, vibrant, and artistic games on competing game systems too. Looking at E3 and claiming many of the games were brown and grey is a huge disservice to the artwork for those games. If anything, having such a high volume of games with differing art styles ranging from games like Ori, to Super Lucky, to God of War, is a strength.
Man just imagine if it hadn't launched with Zelda.
@roadrunner343 "Cutting edge technology" wasn't the best phrase. I meant it's not as powerful as the PS4/XB1 and it's going to pay a heavy price for that.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE It is a portable Wii U,a souped up Wii U though and is that such a bad thing?The kind of games we got on Wii U from Nintendo,we're going to get even better entry's on Switch and lots more in between.It took Wii U over 4 years to get all its heavy hitters out and other than BOTW they mostly all played it safe.The Switch is going to have nearly all the heavy hitters out within a year.BOTW and Odyssey are the biggest shake ups the franchises have had since the 64.To me that shows Nintendo aren't going to play it safe like they did on Wii U.Plus the 3rd party games we are getting,while there's not many,they all seem to have had proper effort put into them rather than just being shoddy ports.At the end of the year if you were to list all the retail and E-shop games out on Switch and compare it to any other consoles first 9 months on the market,quality wise,there is no comparison.Not one single console can even come close to matching it in quality.
I know this year's E3 literally just finished but I think next year will be the indicator of how well 3rd parties come on board with the Switch. It seems like lots of them have stated they are surveying the Switch still and after the WiiU, they aren't as open to just developing for Nintendo. But since it seems the Switch is poised for good sales and quality games that will attract a lot of games, how developers then come on board again after dropping some of their initial concerns will be interesting. If they know money is there to be made, I assume they will put in more effort.
@N8tiveT3ch I just got the yellow ones. They grey ones were stale now the machine has some character.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE 'cutting edge technology' What are you talking about?? I don't think you know what technology means. Do you mean computing specs?
If you are someone who is unsure of what the purpose of the Switch is, the best way to find out is to hold one in your hands and tinker with it. I've yet to meet a person who didn't immediately understand the possibilities that the console offers. That's the magic of Nintendo.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Dude !
Wii U is going to dead and you still insist Nintendo want to update your Mario Kart 8 Wii U with proper Battle Mode because Switch version got better fixes ?!
It will NEVER happened !
Why don't you just buy Switch, Stop Complaining with Nonsense and you will get exactly what you want ?
It's clearly Switch is NOT a clone of ps4 / xbox1 , so STOP Whining all the time !
It will NOT make Switch suddenly become super PC with your crocodile tears !
@crackafreeze
He just keep saying he want AAA 3rd party games ONLY. I just wonder what specific titles that he want ?
Even without AAA 3rd party, Nintendo Switch still has a good Game Library for this year.
Maybe he keep insist for PC titles for Switch, every single of them must be on Switch. Or even there are some 3rd party games, he keep complaining again because maybe not as powerful as ps4/xbox1.
Practically, he keep be delusional about AAA 3rd party.
Something about his mentality...
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Post #101
Dude, Are you Wii U FANATIC ?!
So What if Switch lack of some contents from Wii U ?!
It doesn't mean Switch is worse than Wii U !
Have you ever saw and touch Switch by your own eyes and hands ?
You should try to use first before you keep Boasting about your Wii U !
You can keep Salty with your opinion but you will NEVER get newest Wii U games anymore from Nintendo, just some 3rd party games and they are Non AAA games !!
@KirbyTheVampire
Eh... actually you can find Google from Nintendo Switch. It hidden from Facebook link, there is a Google icon on bottom page.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE The only guy I know who has constantly berated the Switch (in a fashion that almost suggests he's unhappy with its overwhelming success) has had a hard time getting ahold of one himself. In fact, your criticisms are nearly synonymous.
Look - I enjoy Nintendo's products, but the Wii U was a marketing failure that looked like a Fisher Price toy. The Switch is definitively a better product that will greatly outpace the Wii U, as the others have asserted. Hell, by the end of this year, the platform will be hit with another killer app (Mario Oddessy). If all goes well, too, the more hardcore fans will be treated to Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Metroid Prime 4 is also looming on the horizon; a game whose reveal broke the internet. Who knows what else Nintendo has in store for the Switch?
Whatever you're trying to prove by lambasting something that will ultimately make you happier is a fruitless endeavor. You're not fooling anyone but yourself. Eventually, you're going to realize this relationship you're holding onto is unstable; a symbol from the past that comforts you solely because it's what you've come to know. Sometimes our attachments can blind us to the present and cripple us from moving into the future. There are better things ahead if you're willing to muster the courage it takes to look.
SLIGEACH_EIRE, we all believe you have the power to make the leap. Go on, she's waiting for you.
I know I would the leap, if I could JUST find a Switch!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
I used to appreciate your comments as someone who wasn't always blinded by Nintendo fandom and could call them out on their problems but man are these comments annoying at this point. You're legitimately un-pleasable and such a downer. Maybe instead of pointing out every problem just to cause a rise provide a constucive and conversational comment. Yes the system is not perfect, and yes it needs the things you listed but how about not mentioning them on every article just because?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Nahz. I was just stating that at least everything you are complaining about isn't really valid bar a couple of things that you said. I mean for instance you think they should keep online play free but charging for it like Microsoft and Sony enables them to spend more money.
Where is your logic of keeping it free coming from?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"As far I'm concerned, it's not even up for discussion.
Then, yada, yada, a lot more wrong guesses and assumptions. Your reply pretty much stinks from start to finish"
"Of course I read it. Thanks for your contribution about the story though. Oh wait, you didn't make one."
"And your whole response is pony."
"No they're not and yet more arrogance. See ya."
I wish you could step back and see how desperate you're looking. It's really an impressive effort to keep pretending the Wii U was so great and the Switch such a disaster, that everyone who bought one is wrong, that Switch has no games, that games somehow don't count if they're on another machine etc.etc. But the price you're having to pay for all the attention you're getting is throwing away any kind of claim to rationality.
Sorry mate but @iNintendo has it spot on. "I used to appreciate your comments as someone who wasn't always blinded by Nintendo fandom and could call them out on their problems". Used to.
@JaxonH
Agree on the games library. Look at metacritic. Switch hasn't been out 4 months and it has 3 games at 90+, another 12 at 80+, another 15 at 70+. That's impressive, and no less so for a lot bring ports. That's the way of the world now and has been since Xbox and GameCube launched with a load of PS2 ports.
@KirbyTheVampire
"This is just my opinion, but this definitely feels more like the Nintendo from the NES to the Gamecube era than it does the Nintendo from the Wii/Wii U era."
Agreed. They were showing all the signs of a company who's head was permanently disappearing up their posterior but since the start of 2017 they've moved with real clarity of purpose. Just need to sort the stock issues, data management, VC, and Media apps out.
This E3 has made me decide to bite the bullet and get the Switch. There are now some great games due for the system, with more immediate ones like Mario+Rabbids and Mario Odyssey plus some more distant ones likes Yoshi, Kirby and Metroid Prime 4.
My only bug bear still is the price. It will cost me about £400 to get one with a Pro Controller and a game or two. More if I want a 2nd pair of Joy-Cons, which I will, and one of those 8bitdo controllers too. Not an insignificant sum of money. Normally not an issue for me, but now I have a house extension being built in July and a baby on the way at the end of the year, priorities have changed. If it was more in line with the original Wii's price then it would be in impulse purchase territory and I'd have one already, but I appreciate there's some expensive tech going on in the Switch: in the Joy-Cons and form factor rather than graphical grunt. If the Switch can ever get down to the £150/£130 price point, my god it will absolutely fly off the shelves, and I'd have two Switches in my household.
On a side note, I do love seeing the pictures NL put on these articles of the Switch on its kickstand with the Joy-Cons placed beside it and some amiibos/figures getting in on the action! Certainly makes me want one even more. You should get a kickback from Nintendo UK marketing 😀
@roboshort If you read my comment not far above yours you'll see my explanation. I'd change what I wrote and meant but sure there's already people giving out that I added more points to my original comment.
After the gamecube days, the nintendo consoles were only for Nintendo games and colorful kid-friendly titles (many party titles and platform adventures). Don't get my last statement wrong, that it's a bad thing, but they definitely need the other kind of games to fill the gaps. Even though I'm not into the sports sims (granted I have a few), or the fighters as much and I'm not into shooters, it's definitely something that nintendo's console should have, granted it's nintendo's own games that sell. For the ones who own multiple consoles, fine...play the big AA games on the latter and play the nintendo-AA games on the Switch, but for the ones who can't afford more than one system, making them have to sit there and choose, is a different story.
As for some of the people that are on here bashing the Playstation 4, I have to say one thing...it's not all shooters. There are over 2-dozen platform adventure games, many party games and plenty of colorful titles to choose from too...Loco Roco still looks like a game that nintendo should have made, not Sony!!!! Great game!!!
As for the momentum of the Switch, only the next 1-2 years will tell. The momentum was strong for the Wii for 2-3 years, but then faded out. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GAMES!!!! The Wii was shot down with nothing but shovel ware. The games that were good by 3rd parties, were then hidden by the shovel ware, and then nintendo releases a title, it's a big hit, and the 3rd party title becomes lost even more...not nintendo's fault completely, but sort of in the fact that nintendo won't even really mention or advertise a 3rd party publisher's game.
Nintendo's been doing a little more with the switch though, I've seen plenty of advertisements and commercials for it, but how long will it continue, and will the advertisements always be for only the nintendo games, or will they continue? The Switch is selling, but hard to find, so it's still hard to say if it really is a huge hit or just a hit. Again, this goes into the whole waiting for the next year to see it's true selling power.
Great article! Just wish we knew what Retro, Next Level Games and even camelot are up to. Can't wait to see how the games turn out in 2 - 3 years time when Nintendo devs takes full advantage of the switch.
@JLPick
Colorful titles for kids on ps4 was not so many.
I have checked ALL Rated E & E10+ PS4 games from playasia.com and found very FEW titles has same Cute and Charming like I found on Nintendo games. Most titles for rated Everyone on ps4 that I found were tons of boring fifa games / boring typical realistic racing games / boring basketball games / not so kiddie looking Kids games / boring themed LEGO games (too much Western licences for LEGO) / lesser interesting Rhythm games unlike PS2 that has TONS of Rhythm games from DDR , Beatmania IIDX , Drummania, etc / No Princess or Girlie games at all (PS1 & PS2 has some girlie games such Mary-Kate & Ashley Olsen, Barbie, Winnie the Pooh, etc)
I only found few titles for my ps4 games.
Gosh... lesser than 8 titles of rated Everyone & Everyone 10+ that suitable for me. (After very long deliberation to determine which ps4 games that I allowed in my gaming area)
That situation was very Contrary with Nintendo Switch. During this year, I have at least more than 10 Switch title games on my shopping list. Very easy for me to accept some interesting looking games on Switch.
Well, just only my opinions.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE "I meant it's not as powerful as the PS4/XB1 and it's going to pay a heavy price for that."
But it really isn't, and you can see that if you look at the popularity of the Switch. The lack of power didn't stop the Wii either from reaching 100 million sales.
@ninkza The Wii was €80 cheaper and came with a game. The Wii and Switch are in 2 completely different galaxies in terms of buzz and hype. You can't say anything definitive about Switch after such a short period of time. It may well be the hardcore buying or trying to buy it. I've said it so many times, Switch will never reach 100 million with such a non casual market friendly price.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I'm indeed pretty sure that the Switch won't reach that number, just saying that lack of power itself won't hurt the Switch.
@ninkzaThe The lack of power is already hurting the Switch, just as it did the Wii U, and the Wii before that.
E3 came and went without any major AAA 3rd party support.
@Anti-Matter Im Closing in on 100 colorful kid friendly games on my ps4 that are none of the ones you listed. Just because perhaps you may not like them doesn't mean kids games don't exist on the it is out of the 700 + games on the ps4 if you can only find 8 that fit your tastes that sounds more like a you problem than a problem with the library itself. You should really be less close minded especially as someone who works with children. Saying the ps4 I has almost no kid friendly games is just as foolish as when people say Nintendo games are only for kids.
@redd214
These are my ps4 games on my shopping list so far. I start from rated Everyone, Everyone 10+ & Teen.
Everyone
1. Overcooked: Gourmet Edition.
Everyone 10+
2. Portal Knights: Gold Throne Edition
3. World of Final Fantasy
4. Earthlock: Festival of Magic
5. Kingdom Hearts 1.5 + 2.5 HD Remix
Teen
6. Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster
7. Final Fantasy XII The Zodiac Age
Well, just ONLY these titles are suitable for me.
I have checked All the other Rated Everyone & Everyone 10+ titles, but still only the titles above that really really suitable for me, the rest just Nah for me.
@Anti-Matter there's a big difference between saying "there are only a few games I'm interested in" and saying "the ps4 has no colorful kid friendly games". The first is your opinion which you're entitled to, the second is just false and not true. that's the point I'm trying to make.
It did kind of surprise me that they decided to push it more as a home console first, handheld second, as that was always going to invite the "it's not as powerful as the PS4/Xbox One" issues. If it was pushed as a handheld first and home console second they would surely have avoided such complaints.
I'm in love with my Switch. It's the best system I've own in years by far.
I miss a broader third party support (which might be coming, who knows) but that's it. Everything else is near perfect for me.
All that "power" talk is of little concern to me. In the end you don't need a monstrously powerful machine to make fun games, you need it to make photorealistic games and, honestly, awesome graphics doesn't make a game good or fun.
I wish other developers were more like Nintendo and focused more on gameplay and less on visuals.
And about third party support... well, it's not very abundant right now. Most developers are still cautious after the WiiU. But also we must understand that most (if not all) games presented at E3 were well under development long before the Switch was even known to exist. I'll be much more concerned if next year's E3 is also lacking in third party support.
I love my Switch. It has its flaws but I'm playing it more than I do my PS4. Sure that might change when Battlefront II arrives but for now, Nintendo is dominating my gaming life. And frankly, all of the zombie, post-apocalyptic multiple hues of grey games that both Sony and Microsoft showcased this year and last year at E3, I couldn't agree more that the hyper-sytlized vibrantly coloured worlds of Nintendo are needed now more than ever!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Yeah! And it also doesn't have
~a potato dispenser
~a real rhinoceros living inside of it
~AOL
~Zelda CDI
~Blockbuster's streaming service
~sentience
~a controller that links directly to your brain
~a button that summons sexy ladies
~MagicJack
~Kinect
~a Christian Singles ap
~a CD burner
~Candy Crush
~AAA roadside assistance
@ryanshedlock right on man I was thinking Duo Blue or Duo yellow...yellow looks cool on video but I needs my hands on.
@JaxonH
I agree and share your enthusiasm as a Switch owner. I am a bit bummed about the Monster Hunter ordeal as I'm not looking forward to a Japanese import for XX and Hunter World seems to be skipping the Switch. I have no idea what the hell Capcom is thinking!
Hopefully the sales of the Switch will encourage an XX localization or port of World in the future.
@Turbo857
In fairness they've never announced a localization in the past until months after JP release, and with them going out of their way to to clarify it's not ruled out, I think it's possible, especially after the ruckus fans caused on Twitter over it.
For now, I've decided to import (will be my first time). But it has practically no story, dialog matters little and vets already know most of the menus. Plus Generations can be used as a translation reference if needed, and the v3 fan translation of XX, and Google Translate app which lets your phone scan text off the screen and instantly translates. Once you're in the hunt it's all the same though, and most of the game is spent out on quests anyways.
Just hunt the Monster you want armor for a few times, check back til all 5 are highlighted (you'll know which one by it being highlighted as purchasable)... I think it's totally doable. Which is why I'm super excited for August!
@JaxonH
Wow, sounds like you already worked out a Plan B! Eh, sounds doable. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that Crapcom comes through with a localisation. Hopefully, the menu item text in XX is bigger than the text from Hunter 3 Ultimate on the Wii U.
I may consider an import after all. Time will tell.
@Turbo857
If you do, come find me and the others who are importing in the MHXX forum. I think the icing on the cake is that there's a group of us all importing, and we can share tips and help each other figure it out as a group (although I doubt anything will be too hard to figure out- I already started playing MHXX on 3DS to get through the 1 star quests and get a starter armor set, so I can just transfer the save to Switch in August, and thus far everything has been muscle memory. Even combining items at the box, try an option and if that's not the right one, try the next, etc, but I have it memorized anyways)
honestly, I just bought it to play splatoon 2
@JaxonH
Heh-heh, sounds good. If I grab XX on Switch, I'll be sure to look out for ya on that forum!
Anyone notice the Switch is the only console that actually uses gyro, NFC and any exclusive features when they have an exclusive games. They even go as far as to use it in non-exclusive games. PS4 has gyro, but no shooters use it; yet, I think Splatoon proves its far more effective than the joystick. I feel like its either learn to use it or get splatted.
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