When it comes to the UK charts covering last week, there was only going to be one winner to take the top spot - Mass Effect: Andromeda. Though Nintendo continues to labour a little in this particular territory, the most recent results bring a few bright spots.
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, for instance, is still showing decent momentum in holding onto sixth place for the second consecutive week. Interestingly, in the single-format results the Switch version did much of the work and climbed one place to 8th position, while the Wii U entry fell eleven places down to 23rd in that chart. Either some are finding Switch stock and picking up BoTW, or have systems and initially held off on the extraordinary adventure game.
Back to the all-format results, 1-2-Switch continues to tick along and climbed one place up to 16th, not bad for a title we expected to fare worse. In fact that's it for Switch games in the top 40, so we'd suggest the minigame collection is defying the odds.
On the 3DS we have some of the usual contenders - Pokémon Sun and Moon are still led by the former in 24th place, with Moon now barely clinging on in 40th position. Mario Sports Superstars is also struggling in 36th place, desperate for us to love it along with that excessive amiibo card selection.
The next major retail release for Switch in the UK that we're aware of is LEGO City: Undercover on 7th April, so it'll be interesting to see how that performs across multiple platforms.
@Dakt yeah I've heard a lot of bad things about it, but also great things about it.
The main articles that I see pop up everywhere is 'how to have sex in the game', though. Is that what's running the game? Getting a digital lay? Skip.
So is there a why NL could just list the games out in a chart for the UK like the Japanese weekly charts? Like all 40 games that sold that week? Not the numbers sold, just the games that sold?
I'm finding BOTW very hard. I can't get past any of the Lynell characters.
And all despite apparent stock shortages. Nice
@Dakt Why because it doesn't have great facial animations like the original games? Isn't on this site people always take about how graphics don't matter, yet here we are taking about them very things.
@Mart1ndo They are tough but with patience, skill and an assortment of good weapons they can be beaten.
Main tips are to use those time-slowing counter attacks and ride any thermals created by the fire attacks to land on top of it and throw in some good hits. Also don't use your horse, it's likely to die.
BTW, I encountered one with a club rather than a sword of halberd and I swear it moves faster.
@Dakt Why's that? It's a good game from what I heard. I got it but haven't touched it yet. (That along with Nier, HDZ, and Bomberman)
I haven't bought Zelda and don't intend too but I will be picking up Lego City next week. Managed to pre-order it for a very reasonable £35 from base.com
@readyletsgo I believe that the Chart Track, were they get the information from, request that sites don't list the actual Charts
I doubt Lego City Undercover will get particularly high in the single format chart, seeing as it's a four year old game... multiformat will be better, but still not as good as it could have been if it had been new.
@readyletsgo I would like that too. Maybe @ThomasBW84 can make that happen. At least the top 20 Would be nice.
As for 1 2 Switch, I said it would sell well by default because of lack of games and it will send the wrong message to Nintendo that we want more of these types of games. If it can be called a game that is. I'll get it when its less then 20$.
@Mart1ndo you don' need to fight any Lynels until you are well powered up. Avoid them for now and build your skills.
I can destroy Lynels in roughly 1 minute now and I remember feeling like you do, just a few days ago!
1-2-Switch has been the best drinking game. I take it to my local pub on a weekly basis and it's an absolute blast.
Bomberman is the worst imo. I just haven't had a good time at all with it. It's so dull and overpriced.
We brought 1-2-Switch to our Nintendo gaming event and it instantly became the highlight of the event. We split the majority of the group into two teams and they competed against each other.
For 1-2-Switch you really need the sort of people who just want to enjoy themselves
@johndevine - I am having trouble fighting them. Any tips for a gamer far into Breath of the Wild?
All gaming sites should unite and protest that sales are not represented the way they have to: Physical and Digital sales together. We're in 2017.
Thanks for the tips, especially the one about riding the thermals. I didn't think of that.
@DragonEleven Lego City Undercover will also be releasing for PS4 and XBOne same time next week, so it's not going to be a seller for the Switch, since the exclusivity deal with Nintendo has ended and People can now buy it for other consoles as well.
What a protest that would be. Shia LaBeouf can come and shout "you will not divide us (into physical and digitial)".
@Dezzy sorry, no idea who Shia LaBeouf is
@Jeronan Gotta remember though, with the Switch we'll be getting a portable version of this game. That alone is reason enough for me to pick it up. A portable console quality Lego game anywhere? Yes please. Not even the Vita got that. Also us Switch owners are already looking into more games. Not too many available now at least physically, and I've heard this one is a real gem.
@DoctorOverbuild Yes ofcourse and for me a day 1 buy, since I have the Switch.
But for People that already own a PS4 or XBOne (and there are many many out there), there is no reason to buy the Switch for Lego City Undercover, unless they desperately want to play it on the go.
@Grandpa_Pixel Practice getting the "witch time" when fighting them.
Freeze them with the padlock rune.
A head shot with an arrow will make them stumble.
Wear the barbarian outfit and use Lynel weaponry and shields.
That's basically what I do.
Here in Switzerland I cannot find any BOTW for wiiU, but plenty of Switch ones on every store...
@arnoldlayne83 Same here in the US!
1-2-Switch is a terrible party game. Definitely not worth $50. I am disappointed at the lack of effort put into Mario Sports Superstars though. Why is Nintendo supporting the 3DS (which cuts into Switch sales) if they won't even make good games for it?
Lets be honest here there aren't many games at the moment that are really good. We've had better games at the same time in the past...
@banacheck it's not about graphics. It's about atmosphere, production quality etc. Game in current condition is just a mess. I faced about few dozens of bugs just in first 5 hours of gameplay. It's absolutely ruining the atmosphere. Maybe it has a good story, but technically the game is terrible and you can't be serious about what actually happening in game. That's why it's so good looking with offscreen laughter. It's up to you, to pay or not to pay $60 for such unprofessional work, of course. I played a lot raw games (Batman: AK, Deus Ex: MD, Division) and technical problems weren't dealbreaker for me. Now it is.
@LegendOfPokemon Reggie said 3DS games at E3. Why they are using E3 time to promote new games for a 6 year old console while they should be trying to get people to buy their new console I don't know.
I mean I get it, 3DS is a money maker, but just let Gamefreak tweet about Pokémon Stars or Capcom localize more Monster Hunter, this E3 for them needs to be the big one for Switch, no distractions. If 3DS gets big new games announced at E3 that's shooting themselves in the foot. Also not the time for long overdue price drops, save that for quietly in September.
@Mart1ndo Lynels are supposed to be hard! Do some of the main quests, power up, and then go back to them with a better arsenal!
What would be good for Bomberman sales is if it was actually in stock anywhere so people could buy it
@Dakt I'm wondering how useful the "charts" are these days for week 1 games. The general pattern for AAA games is that weeks 1 & 2 blows the doors off, whatever is the newest AAA leads the chart, and then once all the week 1&2 buyers are done the game is pretty much dead and forgotten and the bean counters get to tallying their box office failure.
A cumulative 2 or 6 month chart is probably a lot more telling, and nobody seems to aggregate charts online for the purpose of doing that. BotW isn't leading charts more than launch week but is maintaining steady sales. Will Andromeda do that? Probably not. Horizon is already warming the bench.
Then again Andromeda is the first Bioware game since MDK2 that I haven't pre-ordered....I'm sure I'm not alone in my changing opinions of Bioware and the charts will reflect that.
@rjejr Like I said in another thread, the 3DS is still, financially, a requirement right now to support full force. With the install base, a game that sells to 5% of 3DS owners still nets more revenue that sells to 100% of Switch owners right now.
It looks bad for platform support, but it's a fiscal reality for them until Switch gets its own legs. Also, remember PS4 year one? There was about 4x more new content for PS3 than PS4. That's just what a platform transition looks like. We won't talk about XBox where neither 360 nor 1 were getting any content that year (or do we want to count Ryse? Please, lets not... )
I want to see them really launch the Switch into holiday, and don't worry TOO much, they will. They have a a new Mario coming. If Nintendo's ever been accused of anything it's of overpromoting Mario. But they DO also need to push major 3DS software sales, because, financially, that's still the corporate backbone right now, not Switch.
Zelda sales increased 50% as more BOTW shipments along with Switch shipments came in.
@NEStalgia "or do we want to count Ryse"
Did you know Ryse is April's Gold game or did you just get lucky?
E3 is 3 days per year, that leaves 362 for them to promote 3DS games. Gamefreak does it's own thing, w/ help from TV shows and magazines in Japan. After the failure that was Wii U I think they need to devote almost all of E3 to Switch. Oh sure, spend some Treehouse time w/ something on 3DS, but a 45 minute NDE or a live stage event needs to focus on the Switch. If 3DS is getting a bunch of AAA new games this year and early next, that doesn't help sell the Switch. Sell the Switch at E3, sell 3DS games whenever.
Why are Sunset Overdrive and Ryse even in the top 40? Are y'all running out of games to play?
@rjejr Oh geeze. I'll remember that the next time someone wants to complain about the "free 1 month rental of an SNES game with Nintendo's online subscription." It's STILL better than getting Ryse for free with Microsoft's
And WHY did you actually buy an X1 when you have a PS4, WiiU, and a desire for Switch? With Nintendo and Sony I understand you buy those for the games, but for the X1, do you buy it for the game? One or the other for those two, they both play the same games except Sony's exclusives. Unless you love some non-bungie Halo? I searched for a reason to want to on an X1 and a PS4 during the WiiU game droughts and I still came up blank! Scorpio might reverse those fortunes though, I suppose.
@Ryu_Niiyama I seriously wonder about the tastes of gamers on the PC/X1/PS4 (a little less so there) these days.
@rjejr Rock and hard place. If they promote only Switch, they abruptly cut off the 3DS which is their bread and butter right now. That system generates their operating revenue for the moment. The fact that they're killing off TWO systems to replace it with one makes it stickier. Sega was doomed by being the company that kills their systems fast. Nintendo's doing that with WiiU. They can NOT afford the image of doing that with 3DS. And they can't afford to see a falloff in revenues due to the appearance of truncating the 3DS. That could yield some very uncomfortable questions from investors that they're not prepared to answer, remembering the AGM is a few weeks after E3.
OTOH they need to do all they can to ensure Switch gets off the ground in a big way and builds its momentum to take over from 3DS in time. They need to secure Switches steady rise for the future while not abandoning the current cash cow.
The only reason not to panic about that situation is Sony and MS did the same thing and did it just fine with the 360/3 to 1/4 transition. The first year was BAD in a huge way. There was no reason to buy a 1/4, 360/3 had most of the games. Year to two years, really. Switch/3DS might be an upgraded version of that, just waiting for Switch to be ready to take over in a year or two and keep it slowly and steadily growing until then.
Plus a lot of these 3DS projects have been in the works for years. Ever Oasis, etc was shown LAST year. Can't abandon the sales of these titles and screw over the dev teams that made them by showing losses. That's what EA is for.
@NEStalgia "And WHY did you actually buy an X1"
B/c I'm a sucker for those little red Target clearance stickers, they get me every time. And my kids and I really wanted to try out some of those Rare Replay games, we've never owned a N64. And I've read Ori and the Blind Forest was really good. And Gears of War always interested me. So when I saw a X1 bundled w/ GoW, Rare Replay and Ori, all for only $174.98, I checked Gamestop's website, trade in value for the console was $165, so I figured my kids and I could play all of those this year, then trade in the console at Christmas towards a Switch. Gamestop always offers console trade-in deals for the holidays. Even if we only get $150 towards a Switch that's 9 months rental for $25. I just couldn't pass it up. First 5 minutes of Conker's BFD was worth it.
@NEStalgia "f they promote only Switch, they abruptly cut off the 3DS which is their bread and butter right now."
I think cutting off 3DS, at E3, is fine. E3 is for hardware. They've already sold 60 million 3DS, how many more are they planning on selling? Games can be promoted by a Tweet and a YouTube trialer, they dont' need an E3 presentation to promote games on 3DS, just tweets and YT videos. Focus on Switch at E3, have a ND for 3DS holiday games in May or July. All big good new 3DS game news at E3 is going to do is take the wind out of Switches sales, not sell more 3DS or 3DS games, they can do that w/o E3.
@rjejr LOL "I bought X1 because it was being clearanced and I have an escape hatch to sell at cost for a Nintendo." That should seriously be on Nintendo/Sony's front pages
E3 hasn't been for hardware in a long, long time. It actually wasn't back in the day either, hardware was always a crowning year, but more years have no new hardware than those that do. It was really a show about aligning retail interests in the days when hype and distribution for physical (and only physical existed) had to be coordinated for the holidays, months in advance. It's evolved a bit since then (and become less relevant.) It's more about games than hardware at this point, where all the companies do hardware unveilings outside E3 at separate events. Tweets and youtube trailers are not mass market advertising, that's netizen advertising. This is still by and large, about getting those articles in Time, and conversations o Good Morning America, and Fallon appearances. 8% of the population tweets, as I last read the stats. That means 92% have no idea what people are tweeting and really don't care But 100% of twiitter users are convinced 100% of the population tweets. As twitter spirals ever closer to bankruptcy
The youtube trailer is what people look up after hearing about it on Fallon who booked it when their network booking agents attending E3 slotted it in
For Nintendo in 2016 E3, aside from being about "promoting Switch's future" and "keeping 3DS momentum" is really about "providing visibility to their highest yielding profit engines". Setting up Swtich for a good future is absolutely critical long term and they can't mess that up. But for short term, 3DS software is the highest yielding profit engine. For their long term plans they need to get Swtich off on a good start at E3, but for their short term financial necessities they need to sell the heck out of 3DS stuff.
@NEStalgia "but for their short term financial necessities they need to sell the heck out of 3DS stuff."
I'm not risking the long term future of my company to sell a few more games on a 6 year old console that has already sold 65 million hardware units. Wii U has been dead for almost a year now, they never even had it at clearance sale prices like my X1 - see what I did there - they need to focus whole heartedly on Switch, nto half heartedly this year and wait until next year. By next E3 2017 Sony will already be leaking about PS5 and 4k gaming and PSVR2. This is Switches time, perhaps the only time it will get.
I'm ok w/ us disagreeing by the way, I'm not trying to change your mind, just stating how I view it, I realize we're both just looking at things from a different perspective and neither of us is necessarily right or wrong, just 2 ways to approach E3. I also know I dont' need to say that to you, but so many people on here have been so chippy of late. I should just start deleting emails from people I don't recognize, I'd probably live longer.
@rjejr You're thinking in terms of building a specific product line though. "Selling a few more games on a 6 year old console that already sold 65mil" isn't about about risking the long term (Switch) by promoting 3DS games in order to sell more 3DS's. Selling hardware makes no money. For Sony/MS it loses money. For Nintendo it makes enough money to buy another case of K-Cups for the office. Maybe a few bags of matcha in Nintendo's case. They don't care about moving hardware, the hardware exists only to move software. That's where the money comes from. So in the case of pushing 3DS games, it's not about pushing 3DS, it's about pushing whatever games they promote at E3 because with the 65mil install base, pushing those games is fast, easy, relatively big money if even a small percentage of 3DS owners buy them. Meanwhile at 2M in the wild now, maybe 4-5mil by June of Switch, even if every single Switch owner bought a given game, it would STILL sell less than mediocre sales of a 3DS game.
Thus they're promoting 3DS games at E3. Not because of pushing 3DS, beyond maintaining the image for customers and investors of maintaining 3DS, but to convert it to liquid cash immediately so they can go fund that FZero game everybody seems to want but not enough people will pay for
Is Switches long-term future even better if they don't spend E3 time on 3DS? Probably. But that's not a viable reality when they have to post their quarterlies and say "oh, those returns are coming....right now we're just throwing money away to promote the future!" Investors (or traders rather) want to know what they're doing to raise nets out week 16-32. The answer is highly promoted games for a platform with a 65mil install base
Sony just launched Pro, Xbox is just launching Scorpio (their maybe better version of Pro. They're doing the half cycle upgrade. Gamestop is ranting "it's been too long since new hardware!" as though those platforms didn't launch 3 years ago and already get replaced. I can't imagine those companies dropping PS5 in less than 2 more years, probably 3. They're already doing new hardware. If they're not careful they'll have their own 32x on their hands I think there will be a lot of resistance if we get an "upgrade" in 3-4 years and then the next console 2-3 years after that. One of the PC twins would take the fall for that, permanently.
LOL, yeah we're good with debates....you're not the argumentative type, it's an actual debate with you There's a pleasant few in that category that you can actually contrast ideas with. Then there's some other folks
@Dakt I can't believe EA is still in business.
Switch was just released, and it's already dead.
@NEStalgia "Investors (or traders rather)"
I still think investors want them to seek a long term good future by promoting the Switch at E3, not a bunch of new games on 3DS, an outdated console that's going to kill it's successor if it itself keeps being successfully promoted. Sure, traders want 3DS games, but I'm guessing investors hold a lot more of Ntinedo's stock than traders do. Probably every videogame company has it's stock go up leading to E3 then drop right after, that's the nature of investing, nothing they can do about that. But you want to keep the long term investors happy by showing you have a long term strategy. Switch is the long term strategy, one they need to prove is viable after the Wii U's failure. If too much time si spent on 3DS at E3 it's like Ntinedo hedging their bets. Now is not the time for bet hedging, full steam ahead I say!
Though let's face it, the only way investors or traders are happy after Nintendo's E3 is if they become a "mobile only" company. double I say
1 2 Switch is great fun with a group willing to enjoy the silliness. I've played it with adults and kids, and all loved it.
@rjejr The long term investors want to see long term strategy and are in for the long haul regardless, but sending ANOTHER quarterly loss signal still has bad optics and affects rating.
And the traders have to be kept "happy enough", they're fickle but you don't want a big sell off from the traders just as you're bringing up your new platform. It's an inherently unstable time in the busness with a product transition. No need to make it MORE unstable.
More importantly, they're going to have to deficit spend for the next year or two pumping out tons of Switch content. The pay-out comes years before the pay-off with HD. The more "flat" they can make the books during that time the less spooked the investors get and the less "explaining" they have to do. And when Nintendo has to "explain" to investors, we end up with DeNA, Starfox Zero, and AC Board Game. Keep the books flat and they don't ask too many questions. Fill the Switch spending hole with 3DS profits, and you don't have to make an FZero board game to please investors
Your last sentence, though, is so true it hurts
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