The Nintendo Entertainment System: NES Classic Edition / Nintendo Classic Mini: Nintendo Entertainment System has been around for a little while, is still no doubt loved by its owners and is still tricky to find in stock. Of course, as it's a game console it's also had modders and hackers having a go at getting into the back-end to add more games; it seems that they've now succeeded.
There seem to have been two breakthroughs at a similar time, one out of Japan and one out of Russia, which is nice and contemporary if nothing else. There's a subreddit for modding the NES Mini - because of course there is - and the solution from the Russian hacker seems to be more readily adopted. Having delved off into the murky world of links to find instructions and so on, it certainly seems to be a fiddly process and one with a high risk of upsetting the hardware itself.
A video is also doing the rounds showing the mod in action, which appears to be legitimate in light of the evidence that the hack does indeed seem to exist.
Amazingly, the creator of that video is trying to sell units that have been modded on eBay, so Nintendo's no doubt going to shut that down rather quickly.
It was inevitable that this would happen, ultimately, and it does make us wish that the system had an eShop of its own. We'd have happily spent more money to buy additional games if that had been an option, but instead we're left with the default 30 forever more.
In any case, hacks like this are rather mischievous and certainly not recommended.
[source reddit.com, via reddit.com, gonintendo.com]
Well, that didn't take long. Come on people, even if this is fake, your NES Classic Mini is nothing more than a linux box running an emulator and 30 roms (and I admit, a huge dose of delicious nostalgia wrapping). There is no way it is hacker proof.
once this hack is released i will add bootleg games like 7 GRAND DAD to my NES Mini
I hope it's just too fiddly that Nintendo never bothers to fix it. The current lineup is good, but would be better with a few tweaks...
That's all well and good until the next stability update.
Yeah, thanks for getting a rare Mini NES for yourself and then destroying it. Should have left it on the shelf for someone who actually cares about it.
You would have obtained the same result with a Raspberry. Without altering a rare piece of official hardware.
In Soviet Russia, NES Mini plays YOU! ...Wait... That's not right...
Well, this was bound to happen sooner or later. It certainly increases the value of the NES Mini manifold!
@Kroko It's theirs, they can do whatever they want with it. Look on the bright side, at least they didn't do what "Break My Console" does and smash it with a mallet right outside of the store. Now THAT gets people salty!
My [edited] list of additional 30:
Adventures of Lolo
Adventure Island II
Blades of Steel
Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers
Dragon Warrior III
Gargoyle's Quest II
Mega Man 3
River City Ransom
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
Tiny Toons Adventure
Was bound to happen
@SuperToe Personally, I would switch out TMNT 1 for TMNT 3... Not ball-bustingly difficult, but much fairer in every way.
@DarthKirby I regret to inform you that each NES Mini is actually an anomalic tear in the fabric of the time-space continuum. Therefore, it cannot be stabilized. Any attempt to do so would further rupture the fragile fabric that comprises our temporal dimensional cloak, sheathing our dimension amongst many intersecting ones.
@Kroko the device seems to be working just fine, I'm not sure where "destroyed" comes into the picture.
Honestly, the amount of hate for hacks/mods/custom things from NL, its viewers and its staff confounds me. We're all Nintendo fans. Many of Nintendo's greatest products are 20+ years old. To enjoy a lot of that, you need to start diving in to some interesting gray areas, emulators just as an example. This site even posts reviews of Supa Boys and other recreated systems (that are one giant HACK, don't you forget!), Yet modifying a 3DS, Wii or NES Classic is unholy blasphemy.
I have a collection of almost 100 retro cartridges at this point. I love retro gaming, I am a computer scientist, and therefore love tinkering. Why is that not okay around here? I don't pirate anything-- but if you even express interest in things like this, you're evil in these parts. It just baffles me
It would be nice if Nintendo sold a new NES Mini with 60 games, and kept it well stocked so scalpers could have an even tougher time selling their outdated systems.
@PlywoodStick I can certainly understand your point but the awfulness/greatness of the original TMNT has grown on me and I really enjoy the game.
Also, nostalgia plays a big part in my affection for the game, since it was one of my very first NES carts back in the '80s.
"Amazingly, the creator of that video is trying to sell units that have been modded on eBay, so Nintendo's no doubt going to shut that down rather quickly."
Yes, Nintendo is out to make sure no one can sell the NES Mini.
Because don't let anyone fool you. These suckers are super hard to produce and only one batch of 50 can be made per month apparently, to distribute to the entire world.
@FrankJaeger I empathize, but the problem is that there is a very fine line between "tinkering" and "theft", and it almost inevitably leads to the latter, as the vast majority are not interested in the tinkering end (like you and me) but are very much interested in the theft end--understanding that POV isn't really that mystifying, is it?
(You do, however, make a good point that if NL is going to cover these things, playing coy about using ROMs is a little sketchy.)
And he probably hasn't played through the 30 games yet on the system. Rom greed
@SuperToe Great list. I would include Double Dribble as well.
@SuperToe great list! Even with adding 30 more you still missing some gems. Faxandu, kung fu, kung fu heroes, Strider, Ikari warriors, pro wrestling (by Nintendo). Batman, batman return of the Joker,
Since when can Nintendo stop people from selling things on ebay? If they legally purchased the product then they have every legal right to resell it.
There aren't many NES games that are available digitally/officially right now (considering copyright issues), so the 30 games thing is probably the best deal you would ever get.
We'll miss Castlevania 3 and the rest of Mega Man games though, but you can always get those pretty much anywhere, including other systems (PS4, XOne) through Legacy Collection.
Someone was bound to do it sooner or later. I wonder if videos like this would make Nintendo reluctant to ship any more NES Classic Mini's? Besides, the ship has sailed and the hype has died down. Plus they've the Switch to concentrate on.
Buying these 30 games was far cheaper in this form than on the eShop. Now with the hack they could potentially lose any future NES Virtual Console sales. And they run better than any eShop emulation.
@ECMIM I get that... Sigh. Sad as it may be, I get that. But Nintendo fans, of all the ostracized fans out there, would hopefully have a little empathy for being ostracized for something you like. But not so much, because people.
It's just... How do people think games were MADE? Like Nintendo just came up with the NES one day, complete developers manual and all? Why does Super Mario Bros. 3 look so much better than the original? Because developers experimented, and pushed boundaries, and tried to figure out what they could do in a limited space! That's what developers do! They develop, regardless if they have a payroll from Nintendo! Cause shocker, getting hired by Nintendo is REALLY HARD!
I know, I'm ranting. I'm sorry. The disconnect between average gamers and gamers who like to tinker is just mind boggling to me, and Nintendo makes it worse sometimes. I own... 5 copies of Ocarina of Time now, I think? It's an amazing game, but that... that's not necessary. And I don't know how many copies of my SNES games I've had to rebuy at this point. There's a reason people are seeking alternatives...
Which brings me to my next point, NL and emulators. You yourself are seeking alternatives, what with all the Hyperlink products and vague mentions of emulation spotted here and there. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. You don't get to talk knowledgeably about the emulation inconsistencies in 3rd party reproduction consoles and then act like going to a subreddit and looking at the pastebin link AT THE TOP is "diving into the murky world of links". That's... That's a subreddit. Literally one of the most common things on the internet at this point.
I understand this site is probably trying to maintain good relations with Nintendo while also catering to a retro Nintendo crowd, but... Come on. Sometimes you guys pretend to walk the line, sometimes you don't, and no matter what it's confusing.
@SuperToe Pretty solid list (Tiny Toons is one I don't see get enough love). I could harp on a few, like @PlywoodStick mentioned...
But most of all I find the lack of Shmups quite disconcerting. To that end I respectfully add Zanac, Life Force, Guardian Legend, and Legendary Wings. Zanac is probably the one game lacking on the mini that eats at me the most (right alongside Contra and TMNT ll). I need something that scratches the highscore-chasing itch. I need some Compile.
EDIT: I might add S.C.A.T. as well... If for no other reason than having another co-op shmup. Though it is a great game on its own.
@Kroko He does care about it, that's why he did what Nintendo should've done in the 1st place. Don't hate the player, hate the game. I applaud this guy, bravo, now hook me up with the instructions to hack away.
@jaymacx Good choices in Strider, Ikari Warriors and Faxanadu. These along with a few others like Metal Storm and Crystalis would really add a lot of value. Makes it hurt to think, "what if?"
Mini NES wouldnt be interested in hacking, but a mini SNES or N64 would likely be missing vital games!
Thinking on this news for a bit, it might be a pretty big deal. I mean, I never bother to hack or run homebrew on any of my consoles, but this has me looking at my NES mini out of the corner of my eye. Is it a little ridiculous? Yeah, because I really just want a tiny little NES to take everywhere that plays all the games I want.
Obviously I can run emulators on many devices, but I don't even bother with that because it sort of ruins the appeal... There is something special about buying an OG NES, hooking it up to your TV, and hunting for all the cartridges for your perfect collection, but you aren't going to take all that out of the house...
Now I'm wondering if a hacked mini is the best solution to that dream.
I thought discussing hacking current systems were against the rules here.
@allav866 The (few) actual fans that got hold of a NES Mini will cry foul the minute it is announced. Not gonna happen any time soon.
Unless they sell it at 80 or 85 bucks then they wouldn't mind (much).
..wow, Russians are good hackers, first the U.S. elections and now the mini NES..where does it stop?.. lol..
@SuperToe While your list has so many licensed games that this will either never happen or cost $1000, I will gladly take Blades of Steel. The NES Mini got shorted hard on sports games.
THOSE GAMES ALL ROCK!!
@SH007ME Oh my god, this! xD
"Amazingly, the creator of that video is trying to sell units that have been modded on eBay, so Nintendo's no doubt going to shut that down rather quickly."
apparently there are good hackers in russia :^)
The problem isn't supply: it's the SNES Mini.
The NES mini is great and all but it only flew off shelves due to its rarity. Those games are a quick nostalgia burst but Nintendo know the real money is in a SNES Mini, a console that will sell bazillions. Pack in an extra controller and every school and office in the land will be hosting Mario Kart tournaments all year.
"Nintendo's no doubt going to shut that down rather quickly."
I'm not taking up for selling hacked hardware for a profit but you are reporting on it so...
If this comes out I'll actually get an NES Mini.
@RadioHedgeFund you're living in your Nintendo-Fan bubble where you think that the general public cares about the SNES more than the NES. the sales show that that was not the case.
@DarthKirby it isn't a live console and has no online connectivity. So there won't be aneeding update to existing models.
so this means that Nintendo could potentially update the system with more games too, right?
Still cannot for the life of me, get an NES Mini. I just really hope they continue to restock through the year. I'm going to be really mad if I never end up getting one. I have been stoked since the first announcement about it. How ironic that I still don't have one.
@manu0 How did you ever reach that conclusion?!?! No, they couldn't.
@World Indeed. Many legally-improbable games on my list but I wasn't concerned with licensing issues. I was just listing some of my personal favorites.
@manu0 You're a fool if you think that the sales of these systems in their heyday 20+ years ago is at all representative of how people feel about these systems today. Sure the NES outsold the SNES in lifetime sales. But today if you took a survey, I wouldn't be surprised if you found that overall there are more people interested in playing SNES games again over NES games.
I'd love to be able to buy one...
@SuperToe That's cool! Always good to dream. To be honest, I actually like it better than Nintendo's, as my big frustation with the NES Mini was the lack of less exposed classics.
@duffmmann well then please show me that poll. Then I will believe you. As it stands, NES, also known as THE NINTENDO, is far more in the minds of the general public than the SNES.
btw: it's probably only outmatched by the Wii and possibly GB
@HawkeyeWii I had it pre-ordered (which got cancelled), then pre-ordered it again (and it got cancelled again). Gave up. Not going to camp outside of stores, or constantly check stock levels, or fight with resellers and scalpers. I figure if I walk into a store one day and it's on the shelf, I'll pick one up.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy yes they could. if the hackers can inject new games via the USB port then nintendo can as well. the fear was that only the pins of the USB port that carry the power but not the data pins were even connected. but as is now obvious it's a fully featured USB port and could potentially be used by Nintendo to update the firmware by connecting the NES mini to a PC.
I'm definitely up for hacking one of these if I ever get one lol. I expect this to be discontinued before stores get more stock. This is from the company that recalled all WiiUs right before Christmas.
I'd do this hack only to add Moai Kun from Konami. Now that is a great game which will never be re-released.
Temptation of being illegal, guys.
Keep your faith on right things.
Hey Pal, get a job and stop stealing games from Nintendo.
We will never accept you pirates!
@PlywoodStick I want what you're having
Sweet. Can they add in the ability to skip back to the main menu by holding down both Start and Select together on the gamepad too? That would be ideal.
PS. The entire point of the system is NOT to have a convoluted online shop and stuff like that, but I do wish there had been just a few more games installed by default (say 50). I hope when Nintendo inevitably gets around to the SNES Classic Edition that is maybe includes 50 or so games, and allows us to go back to the main menu by pressing both Start and Select together on the gamepad, and also makes the controller cable roughly 3 times as long as the one on the NES Mini's controller. Those few things would really make ALL the difference between very cool and basically sublime imo.
"but instead we're left with the default 30 forever more."
Nope, I'm left with 0 because it's impossible to buy this system for it's actual price of £50!
I really hope Nintendo brings this back in stock, I'm honestly thinking they are doing it on purpose, surely if they genuinely didn't intend these stock issues, they would have learnt from the past!!
@pete41608 I am not a pirate, that's what my entire post is about. I am at work right now (you're welcome, I have a job.) but I will HAPPILY post a photo of my collection, because I'm proud and it's a #@$& fine collection. I also adore Nintendo / their EAD devs, and desperately want them to succeed so I can keep buying their games. I play games I own and love. And if I'm allowed to play with my games, then I'm allowed to play with my consoles.
Your ignorant post exemplifies exactly what I'm talking about. People can't separate curiousity and the desire to tinker and discover from malicious intent. More so, it seems like people don't WANT to, either because they can't conceive of it, or they just like the feeling of thinking they have the moral high ground. That's absurd. How do you think developers get good at their jobs? They tinker and discover. The people who make the games you love weren't born with the skillsets they use to make those games. They studied, they tinkered, they broke things, then they got good.
@Pete41608 or you're just a troll, which can't be avoided.
Regardless, I am SO pumped to show you (and any other doubters) what I have in store.
@SuperToe I know what you mean! It was also one the of the first NES games I ever played, and I loved TMNT as a kid. Still have the collectible case with various action figures, even one of the Samurai-Cyborg ones! (Samurai-Cyborgs > Pirate-Ninjas, obv )
@ACK We need a remake of Guardian Legend. Like...now.
@TerrapinJess Heavy doses of brain supplied serotonin and dopamine (not the synthetic variety, I swear!). Very potent drugs, and they're free!
@gizmoto That's because off camera the other hand was 'celebrating' such a personal victory clearly.
I have to side with the side argument in here about the whole hypocrisy of attacking tinkerers while doing the double speak act about some things being ok and not. Just leave it be, if it's paranoia about responsibility instead of snark just put a disclaimer to remove liability at the top of the piece.
I'm curious to see how the other hack works out a Japanese individual figured out. The translation currently is fairly rough but it perhaps looks a little less sketchy with maybe a little lower chance of bricking the NES as a result.
I don't see myself doing it to mine, but had I a second one to fool around with I'd definitely get creative. At the very least I've got around 55 NES carts currently and another 15 Famicom. Anything not on it stock I'd throw at it and see what sticks as an experiment. It would be handy to be a able to carry a collection in something that'll fit in a lunchbox (an 80s Super Mario/Zelda 2 lunchbox if someone had one.)
And lastly, perhaps we should be poking a stick at Nintendo for potentially lying about the device. They said the hardware was 100% closed and not open to being updated or changed in any way. Yet we find with the Russian hack, all you have to do is put a hot save in slot one, turn off the device. Plug the HDMI side of the 'power' cable into your PC and it will detect the device if you flip it on. Using the reset button and the software designed you can than flash new games to your system. It even has the rules/limits listed on how to pop your own text in there and game box art as well. This doesn't seem very complicated for a 'locked' system now does it?
@FrankJaeger I want to see your collection too, now...
Nice comments, though I would add that those who abhorrently decry modding are diehard purists. They're not quite "normal gamers." Normal gamers aren't interested in modding, but they don't compare it to devilry, either.
You may have heard of the expression, "If someone is presented with a sufficiently advanced technology beyond their current understanding, it may as well be considered magic by them." Well, some people make the huge logical leap of conflating magic (as it were) with unnatural/evil entities. So basically... people who greatly dislike modding think it's witchcraft. 😱
@Anti-Matter modding is not illegal, and what faith are you talking about? This is gaming dont take it to seriously
@PlywoodStick you make good points sir. That's a fine quote.
I've got a commute ahead of me, then I'll lay everything out and take pictures. It's sweet! I love game collecting! Just take it slow and don't kill your wallet, as a wise redditor once told me. It helps that I've managed to hold onto most of my rarities over the years when they were bought as just plain old new releases. Either way, pictures forthcoming in a few hours.
@Rontanamo_Bay @World @ACK @jaymacx @Jimmy_G_Buckets @PlywoodStick
Upon giving my list a second look with fresh eyes, I tweaked it just a smidgen. Thanks for the suggestions!
This could prove to be interesting if such hackers discovered a way to run games found on systems other than the NES.
I've managed to get this working on my NES Classic. I've only tried one game as a test thus far, as it the Google translated instructions were a bit hard to decipher. Looks and sounds great, even the save states work!
Relax, Gray Fox, I'm just hammin' ya.
I 'hearted' your comment where you called NL out.
Now if Nintendo can actually make these ACCESSIBLE, we may all be able to hack our own! Haha
How is this accomplished?
@Pete41608 well... Can't lie, you got me lol. I've been on Reddit for too long, and you can't trust anyone around there. But well played sir, you got me.
@PlywoodStick the time has come!
Edit: forgot photos
I had household things to attend to, so this doesn't include any Microsoft/Sony stuff really besides some PS2 games, and I didn't want to dig out my GBA game boxes, but about half the GBA games do have their boxes still. I took screenshots of my digital 3DS library, but I can't find a tiny screwdriver to take off my back panel and get the SD card lol. Sometime soon, I'd love to actually have full photographs of it all. It's no museum piece by any means (too few NES games), but I love (almost) every game shown here and I'm proud of 'em all. Game collecting is fun!
Very cool, though they need to resize those new box arts.
@SuperToe I'd buy an NES Mini with these games. They're not terribly over-represented in such collections (Mega Man 3! and NOT 2? Nice).
I'd probably swap out of a few of the action titles for Dusty Diamond, Nintendo World Cup, and NES Open (which the Famicom Mini DID get), but we've all got preferences.
@FrankJaeger Nice! I have something special to show you:
I have some nice games in my collection. But nothing I'll ever have will be as rare as the Donkey Kong Country Tournament Edition cartridge, bought from the Super Power Supplies Catalog, based on the 1995 Blockbuster U.S. National Tournament copy. I'm holding onto it, in case a permanent gaming museum ever gets opened in the Washington, DC area, maybe in the Smithsonian... Then it can be on display there, if no one else donates the last existing carts.
@SuperToe What,...no Rygar?!! At least the awesome Blaster Master made the cut.
If only the hacker knew how to get systems on the store shelves they'd be heroes.
I would love to try this hack but the damn Russian put a virus malware thing on the zip file so my PC won't accept it. I had to say my lucky NES Classic Edition is free from hacking for now until I could find an alternative device to crack that app for download. His step-by-step hack is simple enough, but there's no way I'm unblocking any of my anti-virus.
@PlywoodStick dude... Dude. I know that cart. And I know the history of that cart. That is INSANE! That's such a piece of history!
Just... Yes! Good for you!!! I would never sell it, but that is worth SO MUCH money! Have you had it this whole time?
@FrankJaeger Yes, for almost 22 years now. I participated at my local town Blockbuster. Somehow managed (Edit) 5th place in 1994, and somewhere between 6th and 8th place in 1995... It was just a local leaderboard, but still, not bad for someone who was 7/8 years old! I'll have to dig out the photo of the 1994 leaderboard, but I lost the 1995 leaderboard photo...
This cart is one of the final remaining ones known to exist and continue functioning, out of a few thousand ever made... At least one of them deserves a place in a museum fit for the gaming industry's legacy.
@FrankJaeger Here we are:
I'd post the zoomed in photo, but that would reveal my real name. You can tell by the old fashioned Ritz Camera timestamp that it's legit, though.
@PlywoodStick that was my next question, it still functions? That is just nuts dude. I totally believe you, I'm just in awe talking to someone who actually HAS one of those. That's like the holy grail of SNES carts, that makes Terranigma look like chump change. For the good of all of us, keep that baby safe.
@SuperToe. Where's dodge ball?
The download link on the video is a Trojan virus.
Besides that, why mod a [rare] elegant hardware to play games virtually any device can play with an emulator?
Nice as a proof of concept, but imo it's much better to just gut the insides and put a RPi inside
[though I would say it is much more economical to 3D print the case instead of buying a NES mini]
I think it's fine if you buy something and tinker around with it for YOURSELF only...however, if you end up selling it, then you're putting yourself in risk for jail and fines...it's pirating no matter how you think of that (FBI warnings for every movie). As long as you don't sell it, you're fine...just like downloading things from youtube...you're fine, it's just when they're sold, that people have an IQ of 2...like no one ever learns.
Nintendo needs to get the rights to some of those games, and make a Volume 2 shaped like the NES Top Loader, complete with the Dog Bone shaped controllers.
@manu0 Because it means a loss of money for the makers of said games, such as Dracula's Curse, Ninja Gaiden 2 and 3, and the Mega Man games. You can get the same six Mega Man titles on Mega Man Legacy Collection for PS4, XBox One, Steam, and 3DS, so that means a good $20 per copy sold lost from Capcom!
@YoshiAngemon none of what you said has anything to do with nintendo and why they should take it down
@manu0 Nintendo should STILL make compilations for Nintendo Switch. At least then, it can offer up the same games you find on Virtual Console, and market it to people who can't even afford internet connections, let alone actual consoles.
Since you can easily hack the Wii, WII U, and 3DS there is no room left for being surprised.
But can it run Doom?
@jsa you can run doom on anything...
@manu0 lol, obviously that poll doesn't exist. Time will tell, assuming a classic SNES comes out. Demand will be pretty easy to compare at that point. Until then, as I was saying, I wouldn't be surprised if you found that overall there are more people interested in playing SNES games again over NES games. Can't prove it, but I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case in today's landscape at all. You have to prove to me otherwise, and pointing to the sales of the original systems from 20 years ago is not a reasonable measure of how people feel today at all.
@duffmmann yes it is. because if you didn't buy the system you obviously can't have any nostalgia for it and that's what the classic series is all about.
@manu0 Well I can't fix stupid. If you truly believe such a measurement from 20+ years ago is a direct representation of the demand for classic versions of those consoles today, I'm clearly not going to be able to show you the huge fallacy in that line of thinking. Again, while at this time it can't definitively be proven one way or the other; I wouldn't be surprised at all if demand for a SNES classic today would be greater than the demand of a NES classic today. Hopefully a SNES classic comes out soon enough and we'll be able to see for sure, until then, I'll just use logic and not sales records from over 20 years ago to shape my discourse on the subject.
@duffmmann we'll probably see a game boy classic before an snes classic btw. because GB sold WAY WAY WAY more than SNES. funny that you consider an objective measurement stupid and your subjective feeling as a nintendo fan as more important.
@duffmmann btw we're never going to truly know if NES or SNES classic mini will sell better because nintendo was (as always...) incapable of meeting demand which capped off NES mini sales..
@jaymacx batman return of the Joker will not run on mini, uses a unsupported mapper.
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