It was certainly a surprise today when the NES Classic Edition was unveiled (called Nintendo Classic Mini: Nintendo Entertainment System in Europe), a tiny little system that uses HDMI and will give access to 30 games right out of the box. With its extremely small form and accompanying classic-style controller it's sure to be a hit with long-term fans, while its $59.99 pricing in the US (other regions will naturally vary) makes it perfect stocking fodder, hence the 11th November release date.
There's little doubt that it's a smart announcement by Nintendo, on multiple levels. The form factor and price are immediately eye catching, and nostalgia remains a powerful weapon for the Kyoto-based company. Support for existing Classic Controllers is also welcome - though there's no mention of support, oddly, for the Wii Remote alone - and it's simply a new approach from Nintendo. We had the Wii Mini, of course, and the NES has had 'classic' game remixes and re-releases in various forms across multiple generations. Yet the release of a small device that comes pre-loaded with 30 NES games is new ground for the company.
On a pricing level it's certainly tempting, even if many of the target audience will have bought some of these NES titles multiple times before - the games are effectively $2 each, less when you account for the obvious fact that you're paying for the system and a controller. Selling extras of the new NES controllers at $9.99 is also a pleasingly generous move - Nintendo evidently applying a value that reflects the realities of public opinion around such an extra.
Beyond all of that, the scale of the interest online reflects the fact that something like this has been a long time coming. We're also in the middle of a period where a lot of fans of the company are craving new hardware, so even though this is a million miles from the next-gen NX that is still mysterious at this point, it's a fun and new (retro) bit of kit that'll be on store shelves during the busiest shopping period of the year. The odds of it flying off shelves seems high.
One observation we've been making in the Nintendo Life team is that, ironically, this is an idea that's been exploited repeatedly by SEGA for quite some time; here in the UK and around the world SEGA has licensed a lot of systems just like this over a number of years. Right at this moment there are multiple examples like this one that clone the Mega Drive / Genesis, for one, in this case with 80 games pre-loaded and the ability to run cartridges from the original system. Some of these products can have iffy quality levels, as SEGA outsources them to third-parties, but the point is that the concept has been around the block and back again.
That's not to mention unofficial cloned hardware, like the Retron 5 and Retro Freak, though these systems by their very nature - less common in the mainstream market, catered to an enthusiast audience - are relatively small-fry.
Nintendo is probably onto a Holiday 2016 winner, then, though we feel it's our duty to be realistic about the limitations and control that Nintendo is enforcing in the design of this system. The tiny box is essentially - it seems - a locked platform, with the press releases and the official website clear on the limitations here. These units, probably because of their small size, cannot run NES cartridges, nor is there any storage medium to run games through memory cards. The latter was always unlikely with Nintendo hardware, in fairness, but the absence of any online features or cartridge support is telling. This isn't a unit with scope - on face value, in any case - to expand and deliver more content; it's a locked box with 30 games.
The stocking-filling audience in November will consist of plenty of shoppers that care not a jot about that, but these are important points for enthusiasts. This isn't a clone system that allows you to expand your NES collection, even through official means; it feels like a missed opportunity that it looks set to be missing a NES mini eShop, even, to expand collections legitimately on the neat little boxes.
The only sliver of light in this area is the fact that it uses a USB cable for power [Update: the rest of this paragraph now seems increasingly unlikely due to recent developments]. Now if, and if is the right word, the USB connector is linked to the core board inside (and not just the power source) there's scope for future USB-based add-ons that can pass-through updates and new content. Think of the Wi-Fi dongles of the past, but with packs of games or even similar online access that uploads and provides access to the aforementioned mini eShop. The best case scenario is that these are features and potential products being held back by Nintendo for later announcements; the worst case is that the box is as advertised - a closed and limited platform.
Those are some potential negatives, but to pivot back to positivity let's consider this - the NES Classic Edition could be just the beginning. The European branding in particular - Nintendo Classic Mini: Nintendo Entertainment System - makes this ideal as a potential series of small recreated systems. The idea of mini units cashing in on the love many have for the likes of SNES and Nintendo 64 is obvious, and it isn't even an outrageous idea. After all, Nintendo is arguably late to the party in this area, and let's also not forget that in the past the company released plug-and-play systems with N64 games in China - the iQue range. These need not be labour or resource intensive projects for Nintendo, as it has the foundations in place for more systems down the line. Each 'generation' can also be iterated of course, with new pre-loaded games and even - if we're lucky - with some of the 'missing' features we've highlighted above.
In terms of the broader Virtual Console market this also feels like a potential beginning of a new outlook from Nintendo. On multiple occasions we've written that the Virtual Console is due an overhaul, and earlier this year we argued yet again in favour of some ideas that could increase the allure of the VC concept. At the core of all the suggestions made - bundles of games, improved cross-platform discounts / free copies in the NX era, potential subscription services - is a simple argument: Nintendo needs to lower its valuation of retro games.
It's always important to acknowledge that, in general, Virtual Console downloads are not just sloppy ROM dumps. With electronic manuals, save states (which are supported on the mini NES) and technicalities like obtaining age ratings, Nintendo can justify premium pricing. Yet just because business justifications can be made doesn't make it the right move. When the Virtual Console began on the Wii it was new and hugely exciting, and likely had sales to match. The allure has started to fade, though, with the majority of Wii U and 3DS releases now being retreads with only occasional 'new' arrivals. As a result there's certainly some fatigue in the pricing model, making this a perfect time for a refresh.
The links to previous articles at the bottom go deeper into some of our thoughts on new Virtual Console models, but the key is this - the mini NES is a tacit acknowledgement by Nintendo that retro games are struggling to maintain a value of $5-10 per title. In jumping into the novelty retro console market (outside of China) Nintendo is embracing the fact that neat design and budget prices are good fits for tapping into nostalgia. The model that flourished on Wii is less applicable than ever, and new approaches are needed.
- Talking Point: Nintendo's Legacy Makes the Virtual Console Essential, But It Must Modernise
- Talking Point: The Allure of the Virtual Console and How Nintendo Can Harness It
Looking beyond this new NES, then, the hope is that Nintendo is also working on new incentives and purchasing options for retro downloads - beyond the limited promotions we've already seen through My Nintendo. With the mini system being a locked down box (in all likelihood), there's scope to also encourage slightly more picky and discerning fans - ie those that enjoy hundreds of Virtual Console options on dedicated current-gen hardware) - to fall back in love with the Virtual Console. The answer's simple: more affordable and diverse options are needed. Nintendo has a right to earn money from its old content, but perhaps it's waking up to the fact that more sales to happy fans at lower prices can be more rewarding than high prices paid by a smaller audience.
If the Nintendo Entertainment System: NES Classic Edition really is a first step in a shifting approach to selling us retro games, then that's just another reason to love it.
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More than anything, this new NES will bridge the gap between a lot of different kinds of people.
It’s great for middle-aged folks that wanna play the games they grew up without having to buy a system with a bunch of bells/whistles. It’s great for young kids who wanna try old games. It’s a boon for parents who don't have a lot of money to buy game systems for their families. And it’ll be a nifty gadget for people who love hip retro stuff.
Nintendo will reach a lot of people with this.
Whatever puts that Nintendo magic into the hands of more people, is okay with me.
The definition of stocking fodder sure has changed if stuff of this price is going in peoples stockings.
Right, A01?! Ha ha! That's what I was thinking. And here I thought a few candies and an orange were good in a stocking. Silly me.
This is a brilliant move for Nintendo. I'm tempted to buy it even though I still have a working NES and the majority of the included games already, plus their emulated versions on Wii U. Amazing how they can keep selling me the same games over and over again....
I have a NES and Everdrive but this is something I'd love to gift to friends and family. But it's guaranteed to be sold out of its initial shipments and bought up by Nintendo fans and resellers before I get to it
I mentioned it in the other article, but I think I'd want a virtual console [on NX] that's something like this:
"I think I'd want them to basically launch with an NX VC library day one that already contains every single game currently available on Wii VC, Wii U VC, and 3DS VC, all as is, but then to also start adding updated and tweaked versions of all the games going forward. And you could basically pay a [very] small fee to upgrade to the latest version if you already own a previous VC version of the game, or just buy the game outright as the new version if you don't own a previous version. Also, any games you already have in your collection on Wii/WiiU/3DS should work across any other consoles that support VC titles too, both home console and handheld, wherever possible; and that should be automatically available to you without having to purchase separate versions of the game for each of the systems. Something along those lines."
Nintendo needs to partner with someone to have a build your own arcade cabinet to go with the NES Classic. Have an arcade stick controller built by Nintendo and a put together yourself cabinet.....then you just need a monitor for a 80's / 90's NES arcade cabinet in your home
I'd say the odds of it "flying off the shelves" will be roughly similar to those of the Sega examples shown/mentioned above, and maybe a little bit more just because it's Nintendo.
Does anyone know how well those sold?
I expect "well enough", at least to make it a profitable venture, but likely not anything earth shattering.
A look to the Wii mini's sales might also be a good indicator too.
I really want one, the idea of owning such an adorable sized NES system really gets me excited. ^_^ I just wonder if the games will run up to standard compared to other retro mini systems of the past. I'd love to play Kirby's Adventure on it, but if the performance of that game is hindered, it's not so fun to play. The NES classic control is such an instant purchase for me, ever since Japan got a Hori Super Famicom CC all those years ago! A Nintendo quality NES controller replica is where it's at for me. :3
I don't know about this one. It seems to me it might end up cannibalising the Virtual Console, which could prompt Nintendo to pay even less attention to the neglected service. Also, in what universe is something that costs 60 dollars "stocking fodder"? Are we just using this as a synonym for Christmas gift?
This thing just reminds me too much of those similar systems done by Atari, Coleco and Sega, all of which have been of dubious quality. It doesn't seem like something a company like Nintendo should be doing.
I have a NES and Everdrive but this is something I'd love to gift to friends and family. But it's guaranteed to be sold out of its initial shipments and bought up by Nintendo fans and resellers before I get to it
Consumers who would first learn of this thing's existence by seeing it on a shelf, the audience Nintndo would like to tap into, won't have a chance to buy this thing this Christmas unless each store gets a quarry truck full
That mini Mega Drive/Genesis is miles better than this new "NES mini".
So regrettable that there's no cartridge slot.
This is awesome and would be even more amazing tied into a single Nintendo Account system even possibly download VC titles
@Kirk I think you underestimate the potential of an NES rerelease in this form, in the the retro revival climate at present. This thing won't stay on store shelves for all of the year 2016
If I can't play my own carts then this is pretty much useless to me. Now if those new controllers will work on an actual NES, I could get some use out of them.
Edit: I also wish Nintendo would have let you plug that NES controller into a Wiimote and use it as a classic controller. Oh well.
That is an insanely smart idea. I doubt I will pick it up as I own most of these NES games elsewhere, but I can see many gamers picking this up simply due to nostalgia and how cheap it is.
Princess Tomato in the Salad Kingdom!
The world needs a mini N64.
I just hope the VC keeps going, so far it has been underwhelming compared to the PS equivalent and that is sayin a lot. I'll probably cave in and buy this but I hope this is just some side project made just for kicks and nothing else.
Yup, one of my favorite NES games! They should have included it on this console 😜
Fantastic idea and it's about time Nintendo did their own version of a "all-in-one" console like this. My only hope is that it's not impossible to find and that scalpers don't buy them all and sell them at ridiculous prices.
Same here. It's one of my favorite point and clicks next to Maniac Mansion and Deja Vu.
@Robotron2084 Well, see. . . . Once the reality of what people are actually getting in this package kicks in, and once they think a little longer about what they're going to do with it, I don't expect a particularly high percentage of those posts will turn into actual sales. But, I do think it will sell enough units to turn Nintendo a tidy profit on the venture.
When I first saw the article I was like "This is exactly what I wa . . . ah, not quite, but I guess it's cool enough if that's what you're after."
Like I said in the other thread: If it came with a whole lot more games bundled in, had controller(s) that you could use either wired or wireless, the physical console box was a little less tacky looking (no need for a faux cartridge slot and stuff like that), and maybe you could still plug old NES cartridges into it too—and if I actually had any money—then I'd likely be very interested.
Oh, and it had better show these classic NES games in all their original glory (assuming you could play them with a decent connection back in the day), and not suffer from the same terribly desaturated and muted colours that all the NES games on VC currently suffer from.
I'm super excited. I'll be buying at least 4 of these.
@Robotron2084 This almost certainly isn't going to bring back many lapsed Nintendo gamers, imo. With a few tweaks here and there, maybe, but not as it is; it's ultimately just a simple 30-in-1 and little more. It will most likely get a bunch of parents buying it as a cheap Christmas stocking filler for their kids, some of the most hardcore/loyal Nintendo fans, and all those real enthusiastic Nintendo collectors.
@Robotron2084 You said the following "this needs to be looked at being targeted at those who 'lapsed' from Nintendo" . . .
Lmao I like how everyone embraces this like it's the second coming. 400 comments for an almost 40-year old system re-release with 30 games installed and no other games will be compatible.
Its interesting to notice that the device has both Final Fantasy and Bubble Bobble, 2 games not on the Wii U VC. Wonder if Square Enix will FINALLY get some VC support in besides Tactics Advance before the Wii U life support is finally turned off. We did just get the Turbografx for the US VC today, so maybe the NX's VC will be straightforward and just off the Wii U's eShop contents from day one instead of starting over? (God please.)
I wonder when a Snes version will come out.
@Robotron2084 And I'm saying not the "lapsed" Nintendo gamers.
What's so hard to grasp here?
It will obviously bring in sales from other people, like the types of people I mentioned, but not a whole lot of "lapsed" Nintendo gamers, imo.
Are you saying that you're not talking about this selling to "lapsed" Nintendo gamers? And, if so, why did you specifically mention them?
Because, that's the bit I was debating here.
Well, I certainly would have bought it if it came with memory card storage / possibility to get more games. As it is I'll see what, if anything, the hackers can do with it before purchasing...
@CharlieSmile "Whatever puts that Nintendo magic into the hands of more people, is okay with me."
Smart comment... makes your reason for not buying Zelda: BotW all the more surprising.
@Robotron2084 So, are you saying this will sell to people who never really play on Nintendo consoles?
If so, I don't think it will sell to many of those people either.
I don't think it will sell to lapsed Nintendo gamers, and I don't think it will sell to people who generally don't play on Nintendo consoles either, outside of the parents buying it as stocking a filler that I mentioned earlier. I think it will sell to those parents looking for a cheap stocking filler, a bunch of the most loyal/hardcore Nintendo fans, and all those enthusiastic collectors out there.
Note: You need to learn to write better English, because the way your sentences read is really confusing, particularly the one that started this debate.
@Robotron2084 Dude, can you write a proper sentence?
Stop . . . and read the sentence you just wrote.
I cannot understand what you are saying half the time.
And, I often edit my comments for this very reason; I like to make sure they are actually readable.
I would be totally on board with this system if it had capability to access the mini eshop to expand the library. But I already have almost every NES game ever made. My ps1 is modded to read burned discs and I have all the NES roms gathered on a single disc. It's fantastic!
@Robotron2084 Yes . . . I'll go make myself a badge . . . but what exactly do you mean; who exactly are you saying this system will sell to?
@Kirk He was saying that people who haven't played a Nintendo console in the last 25-30 years would be interested in buying this. What's so hard to understand?
I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a mini version of the n64, especially if it came with games that made the system great like Mario Kart, Ocarina of Time, Mario Party 1-3, Pokemon Snap and the list goes on.
@Uzuki So, basically people who have never played a Nintendo console?
If so, why say "this needs to be looked at being targeted at those who 'lapsed' from Nintendo".
Can anyone [with a brain] see how that could be confusing in the context of the sentence he wrote?
Also, I disagree that people who have basically never played a Nintendo console would give a crap about this, other than those random parents looking for a cheap Christmas stocking filler for their kids that I've already mentioned.
Again, I say the main target audience for this thing is, some parents looking for a cheap Christmas stoking filler, a bunch of the most loyal/hardcore Nintendo fans, and all those enthusiastic Nintendo collectors—and little else besides. So, pretty much the same kind of people who likely bought one of those "New" Sega systems, or the kind of people who maybe bought a Wii mini when that came out.
I hope that the games can be reset. I remember beating punchout on my original NES and getting a grey screen at the end. The only way to get back to the start screen was to press the reset button, or power button.
It wasn't just my copy either, as I beat the game at a friends house, just to see if his copy did the same.
I think it is a really smart move that is going to sell a ton of these things.
This does help Nintendo in one area that might not be clear right away. It gets a system into stores that don't normally sell high-end video games and systems.
Walgreens and Dollar General are two examples. They don't stock the Wii U, Xbox One, PS4, or 3DS. What they do stock around the holiday season are Sega's Genesis throwback systems.
If Nintendo can sell this thing right, they could open a whole new avenue to sell their products. Walgreens and Dollar General might not stock the Wii U or 3DS.
But I could see them stocking the NES Classic Edition, especially since it fits into their business model.
And having Nintendo's products(barring eshop cards) on store shelves at places like Dollar General will only serve to help them going forward. If nothing else, it will get their name back out there to a mass audience that might have forgotten them.
This is a move Nintendo needed to make for years. Nintendo sits on top of the richest game backlogs in the business between themselves and third-parties. Their history spans from the earliest game consoles to modern 3D games.
If they market this right, they could finally tap into the retro market in a way that not even Sega or SNK could have done.
I worry they announced this too far away from the actual release date. Something like this, at this price, should have been announced like... a week before arrival. The compulsive buys would have been through the roof.
"though there's no mention of support, oddly, for the Wii Remote alone "
No bluetooth support confirmed.
@Kirk Lapse; 2nd definition, Verb: Pass gradually into (usually inferior state or condition)
So when he said "People who have lapsed from Nintendo" he's talking about the 30 somethings that haven't played a Nintendo console since they were kids.
@Uzuki And that's exactly what I'm talking about when I use "lapsed". I'm saying this console will not sell to those people, those "lapsed" Nintendo gamers. Sure, a handful, but broadly speaking, no. And, my interpretation was that he was saying it would sell to those people, which I disagree with.
We should a run sweepstake on how much the eBay scalpers will be selling them for in December
And again, I'm buying it...
I am getting this and would love a SNES and N64.
But then again, I am still waiting for SNES Remix...
Pretty cool! That said I just got a Hi-Def NES modded AV Famicom so my HDMI NES needs are well sorted now. Plus, I'd want a dogbone NES controller, the original controller's corners were brutal after a few hours of gaming!
I'm getting three of these things. One for myself, one for my dad and one for my sister. The price is fair enough. I feel like this is something we've been asking for silently for a while. I've always wanted a Nintendo version of "Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection" that came out on PS3/360, but this will do just fine.
I think if this does well (and I think it will do EXTREMELY well based on the reactions I've seen today), Nintendo may do a SNES version and maybe even an N64 version in the future. I would buy those too.
I will get it because it will be better quality built than the Sega licensed ones and it would be neat to have it sitting under the TV. Ahh, nostalgia. ...
Interesting point about Nintendo over-valuing its back catalogue.
£7.99+ or whatever SNES games are on 3DS VC is really proposterous. To get more people interested and create brand awareness they need to lower the price of all VC titles. Because they will sell more.
I hope they make a game boy classic that hooks up to this and plays the GB games on the TV screen.
That's not true. I'm under 16 and I'd be quite interested in getting this. I've been meaning to get an NES some time, but never really have. Therefore, this is the perfect solution to that dilemma.
The youth aren't as uninvolved as many people think. Some of them, at least.
This will be totally sold out. Anyone who thinks otherwise is going to be pleasantly surprised. Pre order it, or you will be left waiting. I also expect this to be of the highest quality, unlike the Atari & Sega versions. Nintendo has a reputation to keep up...the other two do not.
I own two NES already, a regular & a top down NES-2, and I for sure will be buying this. Nostalgia holds great sway and to me, $60 is very affordable.
Would love to see an N64 one in future!!
@Moshugan Really? Lets go over some of the problems I have heard about the Sega clones
Sound output is mono only
The sound quality is way off
Only supports composite video
The stock wireless controllers that come with the console are infared which is horrible for a controller
You can't save your progress at all even with games that have a save function.
Half of the games are not real Genesis games at all they are just generic poopy homebrew games.
Some in another article posted a link to a Sega fansite on why you should generally stay away from Genesis clones.
If you really want to get your Genesis fix just buy Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection for PS3 and 360
Absolutely buying this!
@Captain_Gonru Personally, I think it's most likely that the kind of people getting excited about it in here are the majority of those that will purchase it, along with the parents I mentioned earlier and those enthusiastic collectors (many of whom will be here too). I think many "former" Nintendo players will find it interesting, as I do, but I don't think a huge load of them will actually go out and buy it. I think it will take more than a cheap 30-in-1 to pull them back in.
Dont go overboard, dear Nintendolife. Thinking this may become a trend for future Nintendo Virtual Console is delusional.
The ROM list isn't even updatable in first place.
I don't remember when this was said, but in the past year or two, somebody at Nintendo basically said that they needed to capture the young audience now for the sake of the companies future well being. This is a perfect way to start. Like others have said, this is a great easy way to get the kids to play. Hook them now on so that they'll be the fans like the 30 plus year olds are today. And it's in a similar console like the original. Perfect! At the same time making it familiar with kids today by making Wii controllers conpatbile. Perfect. Get their parents who grew up with these games to play. It's the perfect price. People won't have to think about purchasing it.
They could do special edition console releases with only certain genres of games.
If amiibo can sell like crazy, I don't see how anybody could doubt that this would.
I can see this being the surprise winner of the holiday season.
The reaction to this surprise has been overwhelmingly positive. This is yet another win for Nintendo in recent times when it comes to press and public reaction to their products. Just more positive vibes as we move closer to the NX reveal.
I would definitely buy a mini Gamecube.Never owned that console.so i missed SSBM,Super Mario Sunshine,Mario Kart -Double Dash,ecc.
@Kirk 3 of the top 15 posts on reddit.com/r/all are about the NES Mini. This is a very hefty amount of hype that will no doubt turn into a lot of purchases. I can see the first wave of pre-orders selling out in under an hour or two.
I believe that kids will get this for the holidays and look back on that moment like older fans do when we think about when we got an NES.
@DragonbornRito It will certainly be interesting to see how it turns out.
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@Randomname19 A mini Gamecube is a long way off - there's money to be made off of gamecube virtual console titles on NX first. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see a mini SNES next year though, and maybe a 'handheld lite' with gbc/gba games preinstalled... maybe.
@Moshugan "That mini Mega Drive/Genesis is miles better than this new "NES mini"."
Far too soon to tell. We don't know what kind of hardware is in it, and this is made by Nintendo themselves, which should at the very least be some warranty for the quality of the system. The hardware in the Sega clone/knock-off on the other hand is actually known: it is lousy, has poopy sound which is also mono, has no hdmi connector, runs on a Chinese emulator called Firecore, which is also shitty and it isn't compatible with quite a few cartridges. Oh, and the wireless controllers also suck.
The only thing that this knock-off has going for it, is the number of games, although 40 of the 80 are homebrew, so it actually only has 10 more games in comparison to the NES Mini.
I already posted some written and video reviews in the other article about this device, and the picture they paint isn't pretty at all:
http://www.amazon.com/AtGames-Genesis-Classic-Not-Machine-Specific/product-reviews/B0094H8H7I (actual buyer reviews on this page)
@brooks83 "Edit: I also wish Nintendo would have let you plug that NES controller into a Wiimote and use it as a classic controller. Oh well."
I just clapped my hands three times and your wish is instantly granted: this little console's controllers have Wiimote connectors, as clearly visible in the picture of the console, so you could also buy them to use on your Wii/Wii U.
That obviously also means that you can't connect them to an original NES.
@Kirk with "lapsed players" he means players that stopped gaming after the NES, he does NOT mean people that have NEVER played games. @Captain_Gonru gets it... (man, the discussions you get yourself into sometimes, and there really is no need for it)
@ThanosReXXX 'with "lapsed players" he means players that stopped gaming after the NES'
Which is exactly what I thought he meant too, and what my original reply to him was based on.
And yet . . .
@Kirk Then how come I saw you say several times "do you mean people that have never played games"?
Even to me as an innocent bystander the whole discussion was utterly baffling. From both sides, by the way...
@ThanosReXXX Because I was trying to get him to clarify exactly what the hell he was talking about. I responded to his comment, interpreting it as him saying that he thought lapsed Nintendo gamers would be the ones buying this thing, which I basically disagree with. And he said he wasn't talking about lapsed gamers.
#31 (him) ". . . this needs to be looked at being targeted at those who 'lapsed' from Nintendo and are unlikely to buy a current console. It's an easy way for Nintendo to make money off those people."
#34 (me) "This almost certainly isn't going to bring back many lapsed Nintendo gamers, imo."
#36 (him) "I never said anything about bringing them back - I said it was just to sell something to people who wouldn't buy a Nintendo console under normal circumstances."
#36 (me) 'You said the following "this needs to be looked at being targeted at those who 'lapsed' from Nintendo" . . .
If he's wasn't suggesting Nintendo is trying to bring back lapsed Nintendo gamers with this system, i.e. sell it to lapsed gamers and get lapsed gamers to buy it, I honestly don't know what the hell he was talking about.
"Far too soon to tell. We don't know what kind of hardware is in it, and this is made by Nintendo themselves, which should at the very least be some warranty for the quality of the system. The hardware in the Sega clone/knock-off on the other hand is actually known: it is lousy, has poopy sound which is also mono, has no hdmi connector, runs on a Chinese emulator called Firecore, which is also poopy and it isn't compatible with quite a few cartridges. Oh, and the wireless controllers also suck.
The only thing that this knock-off has going for it, is the number of games, although 40 of the 80 are homebrew, so it actually only has 10 more games in comparison to the NES Mini."
Wow - you should perhaps go to the middle of your city center, set up a big podium and start screaming this wisdom to everyone, the louder you do it, the more people might believe it.
What do you mean you dont know what hardware it is? What do you actually expect? Dont be ridiculous, its a freaking chip emulating 8-bit games. As if there is some sort of a secret, as if there would use nasa-technology. Pure comedy ... they release this cause its CHEAP and they can make a huge profit of "collectors" like you.
"Some sort of warranty for quality" hahah .. yes, please, say it three times loud in front of a mirror without laughing. How about i use your logic and say "we dont know anything about the quality yet" - so perhaps its just the worst possible quality ever? perhaps its without sound? well, we DONT KNOW YET.. its a MYSTERY. Perhaps there are only the first levels of all games? Simply cause we dont know.
And the "poor bad crap knock off of sega" - yea, its soooo bad, it actually spreads diseases worldwide ... first of all, there are several of these consoles. Send me that list of the unsupported cartridges, just for a good laugh, so we can check what super important games cant be played.
Really poor spinning here ...
@Kirk Now can you imagine that to an outsider this looks needlessly confusing from the both of you? Miscommunication 101, methinks...
@ThanosReXXX Well, it's extremely confusing to me, so, yes, I can totally imagine how confusing it is to an outsider. lol
I look forward to getting one!
I think it would be neat if they sold other designs. Like, it would be cool if they sold the Famicom design in the U.S., or some of the other oddball designs that were less common over here way back when. Then would sell more than one to the collector bunch, and probably would sell more to people who still have their original NES. If you want to get crazy, stock it with some "bonus" games that only ever came out in Japan (e.g. the real Mario 2).
Also, I didn't know there were licensed Genesis remakes. I might have to explore one of those. Any ideas which is the best?
The guys who are saying that ALL Sega/Atari PNPs are bad, obviously missed out on the Atari Flashback 2.0.
This product is not for me, but wow, that game line-up is amazing. Anyone who needs more games than that already knows where to find them.
@earthboundlink Unfortunately, they are all pretty garbage, unless you play with the audio on mute and use an original gamepad. The handheld one might be a decent trade-off, IMO, if you could actually find the $25 Black Friday sale before they sell out.
@ironside1911 Simply stating a fact, my friend. No need to start insulting me or being a smart-ass about it.
So, since the device is not out yet, we don't know what's in it, so you can't simply say: "well, all the previous similar devices are simply a system on a chip, so this must be exactly the same as well."
I'm not saying that it isn't, but the fact is that we can't tell one way or the other. To me personally though, there could (corrected myself there, since I said "should" in the original comment, which was my bad) possibly be a difference in quality, since this retro console is built and distributed by Nintendo themselves, while the other clone consoles are licensed and both manufactured and distributed by a multitude of different parties, which may very well be the reason for the lack of quality in so many of them.
And the hardware in the Sega clones has been researched and has indeed been found seriously lacking in several departments, so I said nothing strange there either. No soap box needed...
Just take a look over here, if you will, and you'll read plenty about it:
And here's some video proof that it is bad:
Like I said: I'm not saying that the NES Mini can't also be a lousy product in the end, but we can't tell just yet, while the Sega clone has actually been released, tested and taken apart to look at what makes it tick.
And overall, it has been judged quite negatively, also by buyers of the system: http://www.amazon.com/AtGames-Genesis-Classic-Not-Machine-Specific/product-reviews/B0094H8H7I
But even if the quality is exactly the same, then at the very least, the NES Mini has the benefit of an HDMI connector, much like the Retron 5 and so on. The all in one machines usually only have mono sound and composite video.
Anyway, it's not due til November, so quite a long wait still to see how good or crappy it actually is. I'm assuming they'll do a review of it as soon as they get their hands on one.
@Kirk Well, there you go, then...
@Asaki If you meant me, then know that I was only criticizing the Sega clone. I know nothing about the Atari Flashback, so I couldn't say anything about that either way.
@yuwarite You can buy it if you want.
I'm just not buying it myself.
I really don't know how my buying decision affects you?
@Robotron2084 Ah, I see.
Well, I just meant bringing them back into the Nintendo camp in general, which, if they bought one of these New NES systems, would indeed be the case (at least for a short while). They would technically be Nintendo gamers again, which means Nintendo and its New NES would indeed be bringing back lapsed Nintendo gamers.
And so, my point was, I don't actually think more than a small handful of sales of this New NES will come from those lapsed Nintendo gamers—hence no bringing back lapsed gamers via New NES—despite all the enthusiasm on your Facebook page or wherever.
I actually totally agree with you that it won't make any lapsed gamers, or otherwise, buy new Nintendo consoles like the Wii U or NX.
@Robotron2084 Yeah, I basically agree in this respect. It's been good for simply getting Nintendo more attention in the media and on social media in general.
@Robotron2084 I expect they build will be quite a bit better than the Sega system; or I certainly hope it will.
I still worry about the image quality though, particularly those dull, desaturated colours and dishwater whites that the current NES VC games suffer from.
I really hope the digital versions of the games on this New NES don't suffer the same visual issues.
Or are you somehow missing that?
1. Why didn't Nintendo announce this at E3 or a direct?
2. Why can't we use cartridges?
3. Now this makes the eshop NES games worthless.
4. I expect nothing from Nintendo that will make this more than a retro NES; of course they'll miss the opportunity,
@Kirk apparently the muted colours are an epilepsy prevention measure; and I worry about the same thing for the same reason... and I tell you to let it go because you're crapping up the thread with your internet battle...
Great article! I see this as the equivalent to a "best of" compilation album, sure there're songs left behind, but what we have is a collection that represent the history of that artist. Having a mini NES in my living room will be a good way to revisit some of the games of my childhood and to share that experience with friend and family. For that price, I think it is a good deal. It would have been cool if we could access a dedicated virtual console to add more games to the collection, but maybe that would betray the point of the system.
I expressed my opinion on the somehow duplicated article here:
In short, if it was a NES hardware with RGB and HDMI, it would be awesome. If it is a Wii-like hardware with Virtual Console ROMs, as I suspect, then it is a letdown.
Plus, no cartridge support and 30 games only.
this is an affordable way to jump in for younger/more casual people if they care to do so.
Everybody should own a Wii or Wii U if they are interested in retro Nintendo games and all the games are on the Virtual Console already which many of us should already own a lot from the list.
@Kirk "I winning"
And...... you spoiled the moment...
You better be sarcastic or joking, otherwise you actually spoiled something nice, like two people actually coming together and erasing a misunderstanding. Neither of you "won", it was a win-win and things became civil again, which is a nice thing to see, especially on the internet, which already has more than it's fair share of crazies...
@VanillaLake Well... it does have HDMI...
And otherwise, buying a separate NES controller to use on the Wii/Wii U VC is also a nice thing to have. It's certainly priced a lot lower than the Wii SNES controller from the Star Catalog...
Not again ...spare me that "dont insult" me stuff. You are first acting like the official spokesman of Nintendo and when there is a critic you take it so serious that its PERSONAL for you? Sell this to the kids, they might believe that.
What kind of "facts" are you stating? Read what I wrote, following your logic and your bitter aggressive way of promoting Nintendo, I can also claim the Mini NES is a 1.50$ piece of crap box - simply because we dont know. You are not the emperor of opinion. What is actually going on here? Not possible anymore to have normal discussions? Nintendo simply cant do bad, right? You just keep on repeating and repeating how Nintendo simply CANT BE BAD. But yes, we dont know... the answer is blowing in the wind. We go to mars, but its a mystery what kind of hardware will emulate 8-bit games in a box... oh boy.
Another thing, if you want me also to handpick negative reviews about Nintendo, sure, easy, you like Amazon? Check this:
So, following your style, perhaps it means Nintendo produces low-budget-cheap quality?
And what about this?
Seems there are enough people who enjoy it ... also with sd storage. Whats wrong here? They must be all wrong.
The thing is, people look for value .. that Nintendo thing is and will be an overpriced collectors item like the rest,.. but yes, we simply dont know.....oh yes, deep down u know
Btw. if Nintendo pays well for positive reviews and stuff, send me a mail, and I will spin this thing into the next Super Nintendo on release day.
@toxibunny A battle based on genuine concerns and issues, so you'll just have to grin and bear it.
@ThanosReXXX I'm winning in terms of raising my concerns and making other people aware of them. Don't give a hoot about that one particular argument now; it was finished ages ago as far as I'm concered. Lol
Maaaaaaan! I'm getting one! The price is great, I love the original NES controller and the games list has almost all the best NES games.
Good shout this. It's a shame they've not given themselves any (apparent) way of upselling further games. Apart from that it should do well. It'll pitch across core Nintendo fans, retro game enthusiasts and gamers who have been lost to Nintendo over the last 2/3 generations. It'll also hit the big market of Christmas present buyers, who are susceptible to all sorts of novelty ideas.
@ThanosReXXX Oh please don't tell me that a Wii-like hardware with NES ROMs becomes a great deal because it has an HDMI port. Then I'm better off with Wii U's VC. Because Nintendo is the manufacturer of this thing, I really expected it to be NES hardware with RGB and HDMI (the important thing here being original hardware upgraded to RGB), thus my first impressions were positive. Nintendo disappointing intelligent users, nothing new.
@ironside1911 Wow, way to go sport, I was trying to turn this into a more civil conversation, as people who know me on here can attest to, but apparently that isn't possible here.
I said it could go either way, now didn't I? So if YOU actually read what I have said, then you would know that in my comment I never said that Nintendo couldn't do anything wrong or not make a bad product.
And I quote:
"I'm not saying that the NES Mini can't also be a lousy product in the end, but we can't tell just yet"
And it wasn't selective review searching either on my part. I didn't Google "bad reviews for Sega 80 in 1" but simply reviews on the device, and the bad ones were simply the overwhelming majority. How the hell is that my fault?
@VanillaLake Not all at once please...
I was only kidding, my friend. Of course a full HDMI mod on an actual console is much better. But also quite a bit more expensive...
@Kirk that's a shame, I think it's quite a positive thing that your discussion partner at least had the decency to try and explain himself again, so that is commendable behavior. Saying that you couldn't give a hoot is not quite the preferred thing to say in social conduct, and I know your an okay guy from my own dealings with you, so that part of you often puzzles me.
@ThanosReXXX Now you know how it feels when I get attacked by a bunch of unreasoning brainwashed Nintendo fans that no longer know what is right or wrong.
However, I was not attacking anybody (I never do).
This kinda reminds me of a plug and play system... anybody else get that vibe?
"I was trying to turn this into a more civil conversation, as people who know me on here can attest to, but apparently that isn't possible here."
Not really... this is not the school-yard where you can scream louder and hope the other will stay silent. Its the usual style...first Nintendo is the best others are bad blabla, then try to save your .ss by trying to to be "civil". Hint, do that from the start and not at the end. I also dont know what you mean by "people who know me" .. so what? you and your gang are all on the payroll? hahah.. (please, send me a mail if you want positive reviews, but i dont take platinum points for payment). You are actually actively trying to navigate this discussion into some "positive imagination" of what it could be when its an overpriced 1.50$ production-costs emulator. But we simply dont know....touchez!
Yes, you do selective review searching - the Sega Atgames stuff is not the best...but the whole point is twisted.. already the pricetag of Nintendo is a joke for what is officially confirmed. Atgames at least was thinking in the right direction, while Nintendo is thinking how to make more money with less to invest. Thats the whole gimmick these days... (gotta love the rewaaaaards)
Another hint: the future of Nintendo wont be its hardcore base of gamers (like you) anyway - it shifts to an open market, competing with everyone else - not anymore a protected little virtual island that Nintendo can milk, so I guess they think "ah what the hell, lets rip off the rest of the hardcore fans, they wont notice anyway and they will be just a tiny fraction of our future clients" (yea, you confirm that in few months with the overall sales of this).
But, we simply dont know.. will it rain tomorrow? we dont know.. we have to wait... will the sun go up tomorrow? negative, cant confirm, lets wait and see first
@VanillaLake Yeah, true. Maybe it had to be for me to gain that perspective.
@Angelic_Lapras_King hope your right I'll be so pissed if we have to start over....again!! Carry the whole darn Wii u eshop over to NX Nintendo!! And add more retro systems!!
@ironside1911 Oh man, your assessment of me is so far off base, it's quite laughable to say the least. I'm neither aggressive nor a blind fanboy, which is how you seem to be painting me.
Yes I was trying to keep things civil, but I certainly wasn't changing my way of communicating from shouting to defending or whatever other weird assessment you've come up with. That's just you reading in between lines where there is nothing to read. I wasn't "actively trying to navigate" or whatever. I'm much too old for such silly behavior...
What I meant with people on here that know me, is the people that know me for longer and that I have frequent discussions with. No gang or whatever, simply people like you and me.
As for both the Sega AtGames consoles and handhelds, we have an actual buyer/user of these on the site here as well:
But I'm guessing that's selective as well... ?
Either way, I still see no reason for you to act the way you do, which is anything but social and none of my previous comments warrant such behavior. What it does seem like is you simply wanting to be right and have the last word.
On a side note: most Spanish people I know are quite friendly and welcoming/warm, while you come across as anything but. Might be misinterpretation, so that will be on me, but I'm not some kid. Your aggression seems to indicate that in fact you are MUCH younger than I am, which is no issue per se, but makes your assessment of me all the more ridiculous.
Anyways, and with all due respect, but if we can't discuss things in a normal way, then by all means: I'll just agree to disagree and wish you a good night. Would like to end my day on a positive note...
I would prefer to just support my local second hand retro shop than buy something like this. I think a lot of people would prefer the real deal or emulators, too. It'll be a hot seller for the holidays with cool gift seekers, but I don't think it will have much staying power once the scalpers scoop them up.
I wouldn't put stock in this being the "new" way of doing things, to replace the Virtual Console. This mini console is probably just an experiment to see if it sticks. Nintendo started off very well with the VC on the Wii, they just never learned from the PC gaming field, like Steam, Humble Bundle, and GOG, how to properly conduct sales for digital products on a regular basis. Hopefully, they learned how to start off the VC with the NX from their Humble Bundle partnership. This experiment makes me wonder if they really get it, though...
@PlywoodStick I thought the article was a joke... but nope.
"it's quite laughable to say the least. I'm neither aggressive or a blind fanboy, which is how you seem to be painting me."
Yes, its sooo funny. Whats also funny is that you think your own perception of yourself should be the same for everyone. I dont drag in invisible "people who know me" (as if this means anything) - perhaps youre not blind, but you are the definition of a fanboy and hence your objectivity is very questionable. You act like there is nothing negative, all these people are just a tiny little number of weirdos ...
"I'm much too old for such silly behavior..."
I doubt that, you just back off at the end, thats all.
What has spain to do with anything? Im not spanish hahah... but yea, throw in spain as well .. and please dont speak about age, professor ... im sure the day I had a Nintendo you werent even born yet. But again, I dont know, you dont know.. but u know so much, im spanish, right... i do travel alot, if I sign up now, my IP will be from germany.. so what? Very mature indeed...what is this? 1997?
Yep, have a good night. Great talk.
Ps. Thanks for your unselective review searching ...so we have a buyer? makes all the others on amazon automatically idiots? cheers for that .. and if u get bored, read my points again, they are clear.
@ironside1911 Go home, you're drunk.
Oh you must be also another "civil" person of his clan? Way to go, champ.
@PlywoodStick Is that a Chozo with a sceptre? I've always wondered because I don't have a clue... and it's weird.
@VanillaLake Yeah, I didn't know what to think of the reveal at first. I had to do a double take!
It's a picture of Americans landing on the moon and planting our flag... But Mario got drunk in the middle of going through the Space Zone in Super Mario Land 2, and starting humping that flag, hoping it would fall down. I think it's a rather apt description of the above conversation involving the element Fe and Mr. T.
This product is aimed squarely at casual fans who are nostalgic for the good old days when they played NES with their friends, but are not interested in paying a lot of money to explore that nostalgia. When you consider that, $60 is a very good price point and the 30 games that are included will be a great value.
If Nintendo had increased the scope to include support for SD cards and the ability to play real NES carts or download more content then the required parts would have pushed the price way up. In its current form this is a cheap system on a chip. That is why they can sell it so low and that is why it will sell well. If the price was $99 the sales would go WAY down even if the functionality was higher. For every serious gamer who suddenly became interested 10 casual gamers would balk at the price.
Of course, it won't be long before hackers figure out how to add new games to the system. Such mods already exist for the Atari VCs and Coleco retro systems which are also "locked" for content.
@PlywoodStick Haha No, I mean your avatar, what is it? Please answer soon as I have to have some sleep but I need to know.
@VanillaLake Oh, my bad! It is actually an early concept version of a Yagudo Elder from Final Fantasy 11. Without going into too much detail, they were antagonists in the storyline, but they maintained diplomacy to some degree, despite being at war throughout their world's history with the Plains people (Tarutaru) playable race of that game. Probably among the best antagonist stories in an MMORPG. FF11 shaped my thoughts on gaming as much as Nintendo did.
@ironside1911 Well my bad then, your profile says you're from Spain, so that's why I said that.
"you are the definition of a fanboy and hence your objectivity is very questionable. You act like there is nothing negative, all these people are just a tiny little number of weirdos ..."
Again trying to peg me. You don't know me, you can't profile me. What you paint, is nothing like me.
"and please dont speak about age, professor ... im sure the day I had a Nintendo you werent even born yet."
Haha, yeah, right... I'm 46yo, boy. How old are you then? And you have WAY too big of a mouth for someone who has just recently joined this site. Consider yourself reported, smarty pants.
@PlywoodStick No worries. I also enjoyed your explanation of the picture. Just awesome. Thanks for explaining your avatar, too. If they remaster Final Fantasy XI like they did with X and are going to do with XII and VII, I might give it a go on PS4. The only FF games I have played are IV (DS) and VII (PC).
Good night, guys. Time to sleep in Europe. Hugs, America.
46? oh wow, i really apologize, you are indeed older than me, Im 44. Want to check IDs?
You are a fraud - what happened to your civil stuff? Now outright insulting and name calling? sounds more like kindergarden, mr. Adult.
"douche bag / loser" - very nice. Your Nintendo feelings hurt again? yea, perfect, really nice discussion allowed here. BAN ALL CRITICS. You are just another paid troll - you just proved it. And guess what, I can do the same, everyone can report people. Great that Nintendolife is so OBJECTIVE. Everyone should be so proud on here, real opinion by real people like Thanos. Thank you, Sir.
Thanks for being civil - you sure know how to keep your temper. What a joke.
This looks like a good buy for my nephew. I would have got this for myself if it had cartridges to insert. That would have been cool. Does anyone no what games they are besides the ones we all already have?
@ironside1911 The only part of my comment that was even close to being as abusive and insulting as you are is the final two sentences, other than that, no harsh words were spoken by me.
And why the hell would I lie about my age? I've no need for that, and you calling me a fraud sooner proves your own lack of being adult than mine.
And I'm not mad or in a temper either, anonymous people don't affect me all that much, sorry.
And yeah, even though you may be an okay person in real life, right now you are definitely acting like a douche bag. Especially for your age. People of our age should at the very least be able to have a normal conversation, but apparently we can't which truly is unfortunate...
But feel free to go on with your rant; it will only confirm my report on you, and that is not going to help you in any way, other than the way out.
Why not simply agree to disagree and if you like to frequent the site, you can just keep doing that and we'll just ignore each other from now on if what I say annoys you so much.
There's no reason whatsoever to continue this hostility as far as I am concerned. Make of that what you will, I'm signing off for the day, so good night.
This looks like a NintendoLife spat that I sometimes get into. It brings me back. Good times.
I want one. Will preorder as soon as I can. It would also be awesome if they did the same thing for the snes and n64.
Here we go again. First aggressive and now again "I didnt say anything"
So this is how a 46 year old civil man sounds these days:
"Reported that douche bag, though. I have no need for insulting losers like that here on NLife."
Nice, very nice. Fits great to your "And I'm not mad or in a temper either, anonymous people don't affect me all that much, sorry" - hahahah
I reported you as well (perhaps calling people loser and douchebags around here is totally civil, if thats the case - perfect, lets call everyone that who doesnt agree with you or doesnt like something Nintendo is doing). You play wannabe dictator forcing your opinion on people. Once you realize what kind of kindergarden stuff you pull its back "Oh gosh, Im so civil, everyone loves me here, my opinion is science" - why you even speak for others? I didnt even use once any foul language, you feel attacked at everything not praising Nintendo.. and dont tell me, what makes sense to continue or whatever, its you who keeps coming back speaking as "WE" .. WE.... If you want, you can take all that discussion above and post it somewhere outside Nintendo world and lets see who appears obsessed to the outside world.
46 years ....wow ..
Ps. how about I also speak like that, hey, "We on here, we think you have no idea what you are talking about. We also dont think you are 46 - actually, we think you are getting paid for bashing everything criticial about Nintendo" - really funny. So mature, 46 years does that.
I bet this is Nintendo's way of providing backwards compatibility. The NX will probably run "all Nintendo games," but not all will be digitally released, and cartridges obviously won't work on a new system. This way Nintendo can silence the inevitably detractors from their new system's selling point. With DS and NES down, all they have to do is SNES, GBA, and maybe GCN.
@ironside1911 lol, dat Orwellian reference. You've only been here since May, not very long. You're talking to people who have been here a while. I'm one of the people who is critical of Nintendo when they screw up and laud them when they make a wise move. No double thought here.
Besides, Huxley's Brave New World is far more accurate in today's world anyways.
@ironside1911 "Ps. how about I also speak like that, hey, "We on here, we think you have no idea what you are talking about. We also dont think you are 46 - actually, we think you are getting paid for bashing everything criticial about Nintendo" - really funny. So mature, 46 years does that."
And where exactly have I said these things? And I already said that I was using derogatory words, but ONLY in the last two sentences where I called you a douchebag, in a comment that wasn't even made at you, but even so, I shouldn't have said it, but your behavior also doesn't have to be so abrasive.
And yet you persist... To what end, I have no idea, since it literally gains you nothing.
@PlywoodStick Save yourself the trouble, my friend. He isn't susceptible to any kind of reasoning or olive branch handing...
Oh well, can't win 'em all. Guess it's just going to be us 'Muricans again to keep some modicum of normalcy...
@ThanosReXXX One look at their comment history shows little other than ill will. I'd say you were the one with the patience of a saint here, I went straight for the trolling.
What happened? You went to bed and woke up screaming and had to come again? What are you trying to explain? Its all there ... "I was using but ONLY ..." .. what is this? makes it better?
Ah, you called me a douchebag "in a comment that wasnt even made for me" .. ah yes, wow, very good logic.
Yep clean up this place, way too much critics, "we" need more positive stuff.
Nice that you also recommend others already how to deal with things .. I dont mind his comment, I like George Orwell, I guess during 46 years you never came across that.
@PlywoodStick And I'm even stupid enough to keep replying and trying to come to whatever form of agreement, which is definitely much like carrying water to the ocean...
But it's getting REALLY late over here now, so I'm going to sleep now. Good night man, hope you'll stay in the clear in my absence...
@ironside1911 No, as it so happened, I was about to sign off when your comment popped up, so I decided to be so polite as to reply to you, but apparently again to no avail.
And I wasn't telling/recommending you or other people what to do, I simply SUGGESTED that you and I could agree to disagree, since we are obviously never going to be on the same page here, which is okay, since nobody should have to agree with everybody all the time, but why then continue this useless discussion?
Well, whatever the case, I bear you no ill will, other than the aforementioned name calling, on which I have already corrected myself. I am not even used to doing that normally, but it happened, so I can't take it back, only own up to it, which is what I'm trying to do here.
Anyway, I genuinely wish you a good night, whether you believe it or not and/or would rather prefer to continue this useless discussion or not, but you'll be on your own then, since I'm really off to bed now.
@ThanosReXXX Good night, Mr. T. I pity the foo who abuses your calm demeanor.
I don't see the appeal outside of its cuteness as a small version of an NES. If they do it for all their consoles (up to a reasonable point, obviously), I'd get them just to have a mini lineup of all their consoles. I wouldnt even use them
@Operative It opens up the question of whether Nintendo would produce a whole line of these mini consoles, to replace the Virtual Console. And not just different system's games, but multiple versions of one console, with different groups of games installed into them.
Nice but the no cartridge slot kinda makes it lose my interest. At the least the controller would be good for my Wii U VC.
lol this is the nx guys
Good idea to make the controller compatible with Wiimotes!
Of course not. The Real NX will be revealed soon.
No cartridge slots kinda disappointed but can you imagine how big is original NES cartridge ? It will not fit with Mini NES.
Hm... maybe Mini NES looks like an "Appertizer" before getting REAL NX (Main Dish). While there is a Gap during Christmas Holiday 2016, Nintendo released something that at least money maker while developing NX. They need money to develop perfect NX.
If NX ultimately backward with Gamecube, it will be my Saviour. Just imagine, we can play Gamecube games without pesky Gamecube Memory Card (Corrupted Memory Card issues), saved internally , Gamecube Controller port via USB but still use physical reading.
I'm gonna buy one. I have hopes of min SNES, N64 and GameCube on my desk. Even if locked down as long as they have some of the best games I'll be happy.
How about this ? If you know Dance Dance Revolution X3 vs. 2nd Mix from Konami, they made newest DDR (DDR X3 itself) and HD remake version DDR 2nd Mix together in 1 arcade machine. Player can access X3 mode or 2nd Mix mode. On 2nd Mix mode, player will play in retro DDR 2nd Mix style but in HD and some minor changes.
So, for Nintendo. They can create both newest version of Nintendo games and also give the retro version as well in HD or with 3D view and player can access both Mode and choose 1 to play. For newbie player, they can enjoy the 3D HD version but for Retro lover, they can choose Retro mode to feel the nostalgia.
Nintendo have launched Mario Kart Arcade and Luigi Mansion Arcade for 3D graphical games. Maybe in the future, Nintendo can lauch some new titles that suitable forArcade version.
I'm sorry, but...aside from the collector's novelty of having it just to have it, I don't see any reason to give this a second thought. We can already play all these games through a bazillion other means, both legit and otherwise. This just seems SO unnecessary to me.
I will buy it for sure and wait for a SNES and N64 edition
I do think the NX needs to be compatible with all the old controllers across their systems whether that be re-released versions or not I don't mind. I really hope the NX brings everything Nintendo together under 1 roof.
I would like a SNES and N64 edition. But why can't they release all of the SNES and N64 games on the NX? There are so many games they could put on the Virtual Console and I would buy a lot of them.
If a N64 version is released it HAS to have Perfect Dark on it!
Good to see you guys getting to know each other last night.
I was going to clean up this thread of that debacle but I really can't be bothered, and am thinking it's better to leave those posts there for all to see what you guys are made of. Though if you want to delete your own posts to limit the damage to your reputations then go right ahead.
Consider this a warning to the both of you - neither of you comes off well from what's gone on and the rest of us don't want to have to wade through personal spats. Keep it civil and on topic or don't post.
For future reference, when things get personal the first person to ignore the other is the winner.
PS. Please don't think that I want you to reply to this - just wind your necks in and get on with enjoying the site.
Microsoft might disagree about Perfect Dark
@ThanosReXXX But it's true; I ultimately don't give a hoot. It's literally yesterday's news (for me at least, since I live in the UK). lol
@jimi Well, they're already on the VC (be it Wii or Wii U versions), so it would be stupid to think they'd not want to be on it again if it was the exact same games (be it the Wii or Wii U versions) that were simply ported over to NX. It's basically free money.
And I think those Wii VC games are missing on Wii U VC because Nintendo does actually have to tweak all the games from the Wii versions to put them on Wii U, and it's picking and choosing which ones to do this for, from what I can tell.
This kinda goes to that point too:
I don't think it's because those games couldn't be on Wii U VC; I think Nintendo simply hasn't got around to putting them on there yet, for whatever reason.
With my idea, it would literally be the same VC games (bit it Wii or Wii U versions), all slapped onto the one server and service and available out-the-gate, with the tweaked NX specific versions only coming at a later date.
I've got a lot of VC titles already on both Wii and Wii U so without the ability to play NES carts, it has little appeal for me. The retro NES classic controller is cool, but I don't think I need more of those either. I will say that not including the NES Remix titles seems like a bit of a missed opportunity as well, though there was probably little interest in porting those games to whatever hardware is under the hood here.
I predict a fixed system with no future expansion; if they really wanted to sell a separate VC platform, this clearly isn't it.
The major selling point to this, is the quality of titles amongst the 30 available. I'd say 20-25 are must haves for the system anyway. I own maybe a dozen of these in some form or other. But will still be picking this up
@Robotron2084 its a piece of history, durable and very sleek (considering its size.) the whole idea makes sense considering the plug and play aspect, I have fallen by the wayside, my idea of Video games has been challenged and I finally understand why I want to go retro (while waiting for the NX)
Nintendo will make coinage and despite a limited run in Australia, Nintendo should provide both VC and consoles... but likely, this will be the thing going forward. they could make an OS and link it to the internet to make VC purchases separate from the main console business (Nintendo wants to avoid as much cannibalization of their VC offerings. )
@Kirk well, the New 3ds had perfect pixel mode added, to the SNES VC.
so... it stands to reason that the NES mini is of high build quality.
I suspect the market is more 40-year-olds who haven't bought a Nintendo console in a decade or two but owned an NES in its heyday. To most of them seeing this on the shelf with all the nostalgia buttons to press (including the all-important faux cartridge door they had a love-hate relationship with) means they'll part with $60 quite easily. They'll share with their kids.
I'm encouraged that you think the younger segment would be game-history-savvy enough to make up a large segment of buyers. I'd enjoy it if you were right!
For me, personally, the controller is the real draw. Kinda odd, but everything I've tried previously hasn't given me blisters like the original so I need the squared-everywhere edges.
@PlywoodStick Aldous Huxley's Brave New World is probably my favourite book ever since I read it in high school.
@GrumpyGoomba I have heard rumours that Nintendo cancelled NX after Neo and Scorpio's announcements and that they are releasing Mini NES instead to compete with those two.
@Uncensored More Mini downgraded consoles that we don't know what have inside? Is this just cheap software emulation? For once, I prefer @Anti-Matter 's idea of a NX console which is backwards compatible with GameCube, Wii and Wii U. It could easily be done since the three of them share the same architecture. And they could use emulation for NES, SNES and N64, just like Wii and Wii U do. If it had an optical drive, and I hope so, it would read GC, Wii and Wii U discs, but you could also access the new eShop for buying the games.
@GrailUK #169 That is a good idea, probably it would require an adaptor though because having 2 to 4 NES, SNES and GC ports might be a little too much.
@azelf My dear friend, it's time to get an Xbox One/S and Rare Replay. You won't regret it.
I think there is still a place for truly compatible hardware with all the old games. Nintendo could pull it off, I think, and seems more likely than ever to do it. Jamming it into NX's backpack doesn't seem the way to do it, in my opinion.
I suspect this mini-NES is going to be hugely successful and we'll see follow ups. It could ultimately iterate up to something more "complete" I guess is the word.
The thing is, the market for that "complete" solution... I think it's pretty small. This mini-NES thing might be plenty for those wanting to scratch the nostalgia itch with no friction.
I sense a growing positive mass market momentum for Nintendo swelling up with miitomo, Zelda BW, Pokemon GO, Pokemon Sun and Moon, Animal Crossing mobile, and now, even some fun hardware to buy at Holiday time calling back to the very original fans of Nintendo gaming. It seems like a pretty good run up to the NX launch in march.
@HSuzumiyaVI Yes . . . that's perfect reasoning right there.
@aaronsullivan Well, it will certainly be interesting to see how it all plays out.
@aaronsullivan I think NX could be that platform. Perhaps you think it is not because third parties won't develop new games for PowerPC architecture but, to be honest, they don't seem to be interested in NX whatever architecture it uses. If NX is PowerPC, it could read (or download) GC, Wii and Wii U games and still could be better than Wii U for the upcoming Nintendo games. I think one PowerPC NX is the way to go. Nintendo can't afford to have many gaming devices any more. The other logical alternative would be becoming third party, thus saving hardware costs and focusing on software for the popular gaming platforms, something that is happening at the moment with the mobile apps, although those are not the games and platforms I want to play.
@CharlieSmile There's speculation that Link in BotW is the same Link from the NES games, who was canonically male. If that's the case, will you buy the game?
@A01 Yuppie life
I'll be happy enough if NX has some sort of great virtual console capability. Perhaps power alone will help it be a great place to play the GameCube games. I just don't want the major console (if that's what it is) to be held back by having to support proprietary Gamecube discs, for instance. Or to make a choice of GPU based on supporting Gamecube game shaders in hardware. I'd rather it be far more forward-looking, that's all.
As for playing old games, I kinda like this mini-NES approach. Mostly for the controller, though. Maybe Nintendo should sell controllers with a bunch of games it can unlock on the NX. SNES controller, N64 controller, Gamecube controller, Wii controller, Wii U Gamepad?
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It's not the value of Virtual Console titles that bothers me; rather, it's that you have to pay again just to use the same title on other platforms.
If this was corrected, I would happily pay £5 for NES titles and up to £10 for the SNES, because A) I believe the gameplay value is present in my favourite titles, and B) the games will always be playable on all my platforms.
@VanillaLake i have waited through two console generations for gamecube virtual console games and nothing ever came of it. i just bought one for $60 and i play it more than my wii u or ps4. to be fair i bought ps4 first but have a lot more games for wii u. i have a lot more games on my pstv than ps4....
@Uncensored Yep, I think SNES, N64 and GameCube are the best Nintendo consoles: best hardware (at the time), best games library, SNES is the best 2D controller and GameCube is a nice 3D controller. Wii and Wii U are both a mixed bag, but they have some great exclusive games.
@CharlieSmile You understood the question just fine, you're just too stubborn and immature to respond to it.
Oh well, you've shown your true colours; people were right to call you out that time.
@ThomasBW84 "Support for existing Classic Controllers is also welcome - though there's no mention of support, oddly, for the Wii Remote alone..."
Given the setup, why do you find the lack of WR support odd? Classic Controllers are compatible due to being plugged directly into the system. A Wii Remote can't be connected in the same way.
Although a Wii Nunchuk can be connected to the system... I doubt it will work but one-handed NES gameplay would be pretty neat.
@brooks83 "I also wish Nintendo would have let you plug that NES controller into a Wiimote and use it as a classic controller. Oh well."
You can... "The Nintendo Classic Mini: NES Controller can also be used to play Virtual Console NES games on a Wii U or Wii console. Simply connect it to a Wii Remote controller to make the experience that much more authentic."
@Monkey_Balls Nintendo is using a retro console to kick start sales of the wii and wii U, and while this will work, its obvious, GO provided the much needed exposure.
@HSuzumiyaVI I think it's a bit late to be kick-starting sales for the Wii and Wii U considering the former is dead and the latter is dying. If you had said Nintendo are generating sales (via brand awareness/nostalgia) for the upcoming NX then I would agree.
You're right about PokGo being the catalyst though - this nicely timed release of the NES Classic will certainly benefit from it. And if Nintendo can keep the momentum, so will the NX.
@Monkey_Balls Ah yes, fair point!
@Monkey_Balls basically, its a release of a console from the golden age and with the wii U getting somewhat of a dry period to the console... the mini NES will basically become the face of Nintendo till the NX drops. in short, the wii U is dead by November.
@HSuzumiyaVI Yes, I agree. Do you think the mini NES, being the "face of Nintendo", is a sign of things to come regarding the NX and Nintendo's future? I do - I have a feeling the NX won't be a powerful beast of a console, but rather a continuation of Nintendo going back to their roots.
@Monkey_Balls people seem content with NX being 5 tFLOPS seeing as neo is "leaked" at 4tFLOPS
who cares about scorpio, it'd be interesting to see what PS uses 6TFLOPS for instead. Nintendo however has plans with NX. call it a rebirth of the NES.
I got mine from here: http://www.funstockretro.co.uk/sega-mega-drive-genesis-wireless-retro-games-console-plug-and-play
It's great fun and just like old times
Love the sonic games LOL
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