Earlier today our network colleagues at Eurogamer published details representative, potentially, of the Nintendo NX system that's currently out in the wild in dev kit form. Citing multiple sources it outlined a number of key details that you can read in summary here, though below is a shortened set of bullet-points with the key information shared.
- The NX is a "high-powered handheld console with its own display", with the key twist that "the screen is bookended by two controller sections on either side, which can be attached or detached as required".
- It can be connected to a base station that displays the system on the TV.
- It'll apparently use Nvidia Tegra technology typically employed in the mobile space. We've covered this further in a separate article.
- NX will use cartridges, as previously speculated.
- There are apparently no plans for backward compatibility, as a result of the different architecture being used.
- Nintendo is apparently using a new operating system of its own, not Android as rumoured.
- The system is likely to be revealed in September, with a core marketing pitch to keep things simple and emphasize gaming on the go.
Of course, there have been a lot of NX rumours from various sources; in this case we've spoken to members of the Eurogamer team who have expressed strong confidence in their sources. Considering our familiarity and relationship with the EG team we're inclined to put decent stock in these rumours, albeit while maintaining a healthy level of scepticism. Perhaps all of the details obtained by Eurogamer from sources are correct, perhaps only some of them are, but they're all feasible and iterate or continue on from previous informed speculation.
With that in mind, some members of our editorial and management team share their thoughts on this particular vision for NX below.
First of all, I want to set out that I'm not always keen on editorial content that goes too heavily into what are essentially rumours, even those stated with great confidence. Sometimes I've written broadly on the NX topic, but taking rumoured details at face value is something we try to avoid indulging in too much.
There are multiple factors that make it worthwhile here, however - the NX 'concept' outlined by Eurogamer feels about right in terms of the ballpark of what Nintendo would likely do, largely fitting with all of the company management comments, patents and business moves that we've debated at length previously. It all seems feasible, and because of our relationship with Eurogamer we've spoken to their team directly to gauge their confidence in the story - they're extremely confident that their information is correct.
So with all of that in mind here we are, even accounting for the proviso that we're talking about potential details. If all of this is accurate, though, I would not be surprised and - more importantly from a personal perspective - I'd be quite optimistic about the system's chances.
I've argued earlier in the year that Nintendo is now well outside the multi-platform triple-A space, and that it would be foolish to try and wrestle the Call of Duty / FIFA / Madden segment of the market back from Sony and Microsoft. That need not be a source of concern or fear, however, as the company has thrived best (especially commercially in the past decade) when it's innovated and gone in its own direction - the DS, Wii and (to an extent) the 3DS are testament to this. With Wii U the big N mis-read a few signs, one of which was to try and pitch it as a 'hardcore' machine, especially in North America. Consumers saw right through that, and the system has struggled to innovate or compete with the more powerful PS4 / Xbox One.
In using mobile Tegra technology, which itself is powerful, low cost (that's a big priority, Nintendo needs to go for $250 or less with NX, I believe) and tiny in form, Nintendo will find itself largely out-with that triple-A space, even if the X2 chip (said to challenge PS4 / Xbox One power) is utilised. Don't forget, Sony and Microsoft are releasing mid-gen platforms to push 1080p 60fps blockbuster gaming, with the Scorpio supposedly gunning for 4K gaming. Nintendo could be dropping out of that race altogether, but in the process will be able to - in principle - deliver affordable gaming that can be incredibly diverse. A lot of developers and publishers, including some of the biggest in the world, are very familiar with developing on technology similar to Nvidia's Tegra range thanks to the mobile space. What the NX could see, if it does well and convinces third-parties to try it out, is a range of smaller and distinctive games, rather like the DS and Wii enjoyed.
Beyond that, the idea that it's a portable device that easily displays through a TV via a base station matches the long-held assumption that Nintendo would target both home and portable gaming in one platform. Since unifying its development divisions a few years ago, and seeing the Wii U suck away the profits that the 3DS earned, Nintendo will have long-since realised that its portables are where it does best in the marketplace. That's been the case throughout its history, but the solution suggested here helps alleviate the sense that home consoles are being 'ditched'; it's a way to cater to both worlds while developing one set of games and keeping things simple for third-parties. For example if it supports Wii Remotes or the detachable controllers have motion sensors, the likes of Just Dance 2017 should work just fine.
Elsewhere, cartridges make sense as this is a portable device, and using Tegra technology a 32GB cart limit could be fine; in any case occasional larger capacity cartridges could happen. It's also worth highlighting that NX could use a mix of cartridges and partial downloads for any massive games, such as the likes of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild; whatever happens, cartridges make perfect sense for a portable.
My only concern, actually, is with the detachable controllers. The concept is fine, but the design will be tricky to make aesthetically pleasing, especially if shoulder buttons are incorporated (which Eurogamer didn't include in its own mock-up); I'd cringe if the likes of Breath of the Wild use touch screen buttons for some functions 'on the go', if detachable elements can't fully fit the bill of a conventional controller used at home. Nintendo did a good job with the designs of DS and 3DS (aside from the first model of each family!), so will hopefully make it work. As a concept it's cool, though, with scope for fun minigames on the go where players take a controller section each, for example. The idea, overall, makes sense, and opens the scope for potential touch-screen based simple games (Pokemon GO X, anyone?) that are easily played on the move when you're not worried about clipping on physical controls.
Ultimately, if Nintendo unveils the NX and it fits this template, I'll be a willing believer and optimist.
I've been a fan of Nvidia's mobile tech for quite some time - I've got the Shield handheld, Shield Tablet and Shield Android TV, the latter of which is powered by the Tegra X1 chipset mentioned by Eurogamer in its report. Shield TV is powerful, cheap and compact, and the notion of Nintendo using it to power the NX actually strikes me as quite a wise one; not only does it mean that the system can be supplied at a low cost, but it also provides a perfect balance between raw power and stamina, which will be of prime concern if the console does turn out to be portable first and foremost. The video below is a showcase of the X1:
Given the timings involved, I would expect that Nvidia's new Tegra will be included - as Eurogamer pointed out, X1 will be two years old in March next year, so it would make little sense for Nintendo hold back on releasing NX until then. Presumably the mysterious X2 is only just going into mass production and with any luck it will be supplying the power behind the system, which - if reports are to be believed - could be close to that of Xbox One and PS4, but in the palm of your hand.
Regarding the whole detachable controller thing, the idea reminds me of the old Famicom design, with its cute little docking areas for the pads. As a concept, I think we'll have to wait and see how it pans out from a gameplay perspective - I'm sure Nintendo will have some unique ideas about how to use this setup, but on paper at least, it lacks the "wow" factor of touch or motion control when we first saw those. However, I have to admit part of me likes the fact that Nintendo is trying to make head-to-head gaming popular again; we live in a world where it's possible to challenge someone to a game of Mario Kart 7 who lives on the other side of the planet, but nothing will ever beat the thrill of triumphing over my mates on the SNES version of Street Fighter II, when opponents were close enough to playfully (or not so playfully) punch at the end of a round. This could be Nintendo's attempt to make gaming social again; with two controllers always on offer, NX means that your next contest is never far away, even if your opponent doesn't own a games console. For me, this could well be the "new way to play" that Nintendo has been talking about, and I actually think that despite its simplicity, it could be the unique twist that sells the machine.
Nintendo's decision to focus more on portable hardware than domestic might cause some upset for hardcore fans, but history suggests that it is in this arena where the firm has enjoyed the most consistent degree of success. Ever since the Game & Watch range emerged in the early '80s Nintendo has been a dominant force in mobile gaming, and its Nintendo DS line is its most successful ever. In recent years the company has seen the handheld market eroded by smartphones and tablets, so clearly a different approach is required. Whether or not NX is the right approach remains to be seen.
If these sources turn out to be true, it's probably a wise move by Nintendo to try and carve out its own segment rather than attempt to compete head on with PlayStation and Xbox.
Of course the handheld will need to be powerful enough to run games such as Zelda: Breath of the Wild, but a compromise will need to be found to ensure the price doesn't end up scaring potential buyers off. The 3DS had a rocky launch followed swiftly by a 33% price cut which helped to get sales back on track. Getting the price right will be vital.
So if we're looking at a device running Nvidia's new Tegra, it should end up being a good balance between power and price. It would be nice to add extra grunt with an optional HDMI cradle for playing at home on the big screen, though that wasn't mentioned in Eurogamer's report beyond a simple base station; the portable is cited as the sole source of power from a games perspective.
The detachable controller idea sounds great to me, if this is true we can expect lots of fun ideas for new ways to control games, as well as retro classic controls which will make Virtual Console games really spring to life.
I feel cautiously optimistic and can't wait for Nintendo to finally show us its latest game changer in the months to come.
Where do you stand on this NX concept, as reported by Eurogamer? Let us know in the comments.
This whole concept goes against what Ubisoft have said in that it'll attract the casual users back.
Just because it's a bit tablety, it wont attract anyone.
This idea is way too complicated for the average person. A tablet, with controllers that attach, that connects to a tv? It sounds simple enough to us. But to everyone else, it's going to be way too complicated.
Interesting there Nintendo. The early rumors of the NX having an optional eGPU sounds more likely. That way you could have a great handheld on the go, and a mighty powerful home console when at home. Please just spill the beans officially Nintendo!!
@A01 The main reason why I don't think it will attract casual gamers is due to the potential high cost of the system. I mean, a system that is (somewhat) close to power with the current generation and comes with a portable component? It sounds like a better Wii U... but that isn't saying much at all.
We'll have to wait for the official unveil to truly find out, though.
Hand held and hand warmer incoming
2 hour battery life expectancy
I just could've sworn that the NX was said to be, by Nintendo, "a dedicated home console gaming system" with a "brand new concept" or something along those lines. This rumour sort of pushes that main point to the side in my opinion.
I believe the NX may lend itself to a mid gen update similar to PS Neo and Scorpio. Although perhaps way earlier into the system's shelf life.
They could implement a separate, additional home console component that could beef up the power and go after better graphics without excluding owners of the base model outlined in these rumours. Just a thought but this could be all things to all people.
@A01 I totally disagree. The current gen of kids know tablet gaming. It has the potential to be huge...albeit not my cup of tea (exactly like Pokémon Go)
Kids do not buy gaming systems. Parents do.
Parents will not understand.
Kids are not the casual market.
"I want to believe......"
@GrailUK Parents don't want to spend £30 plus on games for a portable gaming machine these days just to keep their children happy. They hand over their smartphone or tablet and let them play free games. Easy. The casual gamer that everyone seems to talk about doesn't exist in the same way it did with the Wii and DS.
As long as you can play with a pro controller I'd be fine with this!! I have absolutely no interest in taking gaming anywhere outside of my living room and I don't like the game pad. Could be onto a winner though if the units cheap enough.
I feel it's more likely that the two controller parts are detached from the tablet portion to form one standard size controller
By the way, one of the pics' caption is "The Wii U lacked the value and innovation of the Wii U"
I'm very willing to believe this latest batch of sources-say. They tie in with what previous rumours and patents have suggested, and it's a very Nintendo idea (particularly those controllers - it looks like it could be an evolution of the wiimote, and that certainly did well). Also, back when the Wii U was in its rumour mill stages (remember when it was Project Café?), I shrugged the rumours of a large screened controller as ridiculous. And then that happened, so
The GPU they're allegedly going with here is interesting. A Tegra X1 (apparently the type in the NX) can run games in 1080p60 on Android (such as Doom 3 BFE) that the PS3/360 could only do in 720p30. Given that that's on hardware not specially designed around Tegra X1, I think we can expect to see some pretty nice graphics coming out of NX, especially if they're using a customised X1 as they're likely to be. Probably not quite PS4/XBO but close enough for direct ports to be possible.
I think that NX is going to be a new platform more then must a handheld or a console. It will be everything. I can play ios game on pc, imac, ipod, iPhone etc... We have all been asking for LoZ NES to be cross buy. Well, maybe the solution is a platform that has 1 account but you can play the game on multiple devices. I own 2 ipads, iPhone, ipod. and I can play hearthstone on all four. well, I don't have loz nes on my 3ds but on my wii and wii u. NX is going to solve that. This new platform will probably have a couple of devices to play games on. Maybe these rumors aren't far off. I don't think it will completely replace my daily use of our wii u as our main entertainment device, but it might be our main gaming device. Our wii u is literally on more then our tv is. youtube, Netflix, internet, and gaming. ive never understood why everyeone doesn't have one.
My thoughts exactly. The two detachable sides of the unit can connect together to form a single controller that you can comfortably hold. Voila, you have a console with a wireless controller.
At first I thought this would be too complicated, but now I think it is fine. People will get the idea that it is essentially like a tablet that has a controller which can be attached to the sides or used seperately. Only people who are totally ignorant of both tablets and video game consoles would fail to understand that. Such people would never buy a game machine anyway.
I thought about it some more, and I think I could get on board with the concept if they make two changes:
1. There has to be more buttons on the detachable controllers. A control stick and four buttons is absolutely not going to be enough for multiplayer games like Mario Kart and Smash. At the very least they should add 2 or 3 buttons to each, maybe a face button or two, a trigger, and a scroll wheel.
2. Add a base unit to increase computing power as several people here have been suggesting. That could solve the problem of not being able to compete with Microsoft and Sony by having additional computing power that could handle more intensive, console like games.
They would have a console that is simultaneously affordable and powerful by virtue of having two different bundles, a handheld bundle around $200-$250 that just includes the tablet and detachable controllers, and a console bundle around $400-$500 that also includes the base unit. If they can pull all of that off they should have a winner here.
@Bolt_Strike I like your idea about different bundles, makes a lot of sense. It does add some SKU segregation, but if they include an option to update the "handheld" bundle then it might be a non-issue.
I don't want to be excited about this rumor because if it isn't true I'll be a bit underwhelm. But it all sounds very good so far.
It would be a huge mistake to have games that require the base to play. That would be creating two tiers within their own market and the more expensive games to produce would be the ones that require the base (the smaller of two tiers). I doubt many developers would want to target that tier.
I think that people who were hoping for a Nintendo equivalent of the PS4 are going to be disappointed with the NX (at first) because it will not be at that level of technical prowess they were hoping for. However, once the games start rolling in they will see that you don't need that kind of power to produce world beating games. Was it not Breath of the Wild, on the Wii U, that received the most hype at E3?
It just sounds like an upgraded Wii U...with a different name...
idk if I want to believe this T_T
If this is true Nintendo is doomed. I can't even comprehend the concept so how are they going to convince consumers? Why do the controllers detach from the screen? So you can reconnect them with out the screen to form your home version of the controller? Who wants this? I don't care for my Wii U to be more portable or less powerful? I don't want to give up my second screen and 3D on my portable just so I can reconfigure it to play on the Television at home. NINTENDO IS DOOMED IF THIS IS TRUE!
While it does seem the X1 is a very capable GPU when paired with a proper CPU I don't think the NX will be up to the task of porting the rest of this generations' games and will certainly spell trouble in the mainstream 3rd party department. A scenario I don't want Nintendo's consoles to ever go through again. So, hopefully NX is running the new X2 chip which, also, hopefully is leagues ahead compared to its prestigious predecessor.
We'll see if any of this is true in a few weeks/months.
"The Wii U lacked the value and innovation of the Wii U"
You need to calm down. I'm sure Nintendo is going to make the right decisions that will steer them and everybody for that matter, down the right path.
They're still riding the Pokemon GO fame, not to mention the NESmini's hype. And that's not even to account the endless speculation and talk about the NX here. Trust them, they DID save the gaming industry.
That and I'm pretty sure everyone knows that Kimishima is relatively aggressive, unlike the late Iwata, god bless him.
There is no excuse for the NX if it's less powerful than the Wii U. Whether it's a handheld or not, this is Nintendo's chance to redeem itself. While it doesn't need to be super powerful, Nintendo has to combine its ideals with what the fans want in order to succeed.
if this is true, with the way the controllers can detach and reattach i think there'd be a way for wii and wii u games to be playable.
If it is a portable then it should at east have dual- screens. I'm kinda lukewarm on this news, I need to see the real thing in action before I make my mind up, but playing BoTW on the go is very exciting.
What if this nx also acts as an updated gamepad for the wii U?
If that was the case it would eliminate the concern of no backwards compatibility.
I buy the nx and can play my 3ds games on it since it is reported to be cartridge based.
It acts as an updated Wii U game pad, syncs flawlessly with my wii u console, and games have 1080p fidelity on the nx screen (higher quality screen and resolution like tablets)
Plus it also plays NX game on the tv or on the go.
It does not replace the wii u or 3ds per se but enhances it while also being a new console/handheld hybrid.
@FragRed Hmm did the demographic of demanding child suddenly disappear or did I miss a retail meeting? If you are seriously suggesting you cannot see a market for this...then I despair (but not in a serious / hateful way lol)
Uggggg. I surly hope all of this is bunk...
@Danrenfroe2016 Me too. It looks like something that could be successful...but doesn't appeal to me
@A01 When did kids stop saying "Mommy mommy buy me buy me" If this is cheap enough, it's gonna sell very well and get copied by Sony as a strategy with more 'grown up tech' as Sony fans like to think. Anyhoo. I still think your wrong and I still hope this idea is fake because I am not the target audience
If true, this is a great disappointment for me. I have to admit that it does make sense for Nintendo to go this route due to their dominance in the mobile market. However, I've never been the slightest bit interested in any of their mobile products. So, for me, it's the worst possible scenario for them to take.
I tough they said the NX would not be portable...
where is the analogue buttons gonna be?
Kids stopped wanting Nintendo products a long time ago. Kids these days are idiots. They want an xbox with call of duty and absolutely nothing else.
That aside, even if kids did ask for an NX, when did parents stop saying no and coming up with lackluster compromises? "You already have a tablet, We'll get you those iPad controller accessories and you can use them with the tablet you've already got. It'll be the same."
I can't shake how ridiculously clumsy and counterproductive this concept of detachable controllers sounds. If a new portable device has detachable controllers, said device will either need to be larger than a portable system should be, or feature very small controllers- or both.
While two-player gaming on the go is an appealing concept upon first glance, further consideration has left me doubting that I would want to play a two-player game on such a small, portable screen, particularly when split screen is involved.
Beyond the reality that multiplayer handheld gaming is more comfortable when each player has their own console rather than crowding around a tiny portable screen, this concept would also make purchasing the console less of a necessity for certain people, given that you don't need your own console to play with a friend who has one. Making multiplayer gaming more clumsy while simultaneously deemphasizing the the need for everyone to have their own console hardly makes sense to me.
@RatKing64 Thing is technical prowess is something a lot of gamers value, especially in the home console market. Nintendo needs to impress gamers with its power if it's going to be a good hybrid system.
The market is also naturally sort of two tiered, there's a hardcore audience and a casual audience, and both of them sort of conflict when it comes to cost and simplicity vs. power. And there's plenty of support for both markets, so I wouldn't worry about developers not wanting to support that side of the market. But in order to get that side of the market on board, it does need to be capable of running PS4 level specs or higher. Anything less and developers will have to put too much time and money into downgrading their games for it to get a decent amount of third party support.
Taking all these reports with a pinch of salt, my biggest questions would be how
I think it's pretty clear by now that this product will allow the user to play games either on a TV or on the go. But I just don't buy into the idea that the handheld itself will leverage all the workload; that doesn't seem efficient from a battery aspect (constant recharging), nor from the marketing aspect. Besides, if Nintendo really did want to produce a handheld with the ability to stream, there are plenty of existing options to do that.
I personally hope this rumour is wrong in every way, cause if this is true in any way, I can easily see it as being another failure.
Make a powerful console with a normal freakin controller and stop with the gimmick garbage, Nintendo! -_-
@SeaSalty You didn't hear? The official name will be the Wii U2
@White_Rhino "a console that does to gaming what the NES did in '83."
There's already a console that does that. It's called the Playstation 4.
@A01 I don't know mate. Monster Hunter and Pokémon on the telly? Zelda BotW while waiting for a bus? Don't sound like a movie producer who cannot see a good idea just because it's different lol.
The problem with Nintendo focusing on the handheld aspect is that mobile gaming will continue to get stronger. The 3DS was clearly effected by mobile gaming, especially down the stretch. There's a reason that the Vita will likely be Sony's last handheld.
If the NX is only slightly more powerful than the Wii U and less powerful than the Xbox One, this won't go well for Nintendo. It Tegra X2 or bust.
@hYdeks So you want a ps4 with a nintendo logo and nintendo ips?
If this is truth then Detachable controllers are the worse idea Nintendo has ever had
@BiasedSonyFan Good luck selling another underpowered console to the masses then. Why, other than Nintendo exclusive IPs, would someone who already owns a PS4 or XO want to buy this? Portability? It will do great in Japan, but no where else, just like the Vita.
Also, considering the Neo and Scorpio are just around the corner and are guaranteed to be a healthy upgrade, they wouldn't.
NES launched with a robot, a gun and flat pluses instead of the joystick used everywhere else. It intentionally looked like a toy instead of a video game system. It was very "gimmicky". I'm pretty sure it's not what you are asking for.
@White_Rhino Thanks for the history lesson. That's all well and good, but that was over 30 years ago.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Wii U. This rumored concept is intriguing, but it won't reinvent the industry.
I'll just put this out there.
Add an account system that's not tied to the console, focus on retrocompatibility, start with a good eShop library (Virtual Console or otherwise) and you've got a Console War winner right there.
Seriously, a partially-handheld console with Super Mario Maker as one of its launch titles? This can't go wrong.
@hYdeks There's a damn good chance a PS4 clone with Nintendo slapped on the box would also fail.
@SharkAttackU Why would anybody who owns a PS4/XB1 want a Nintendo console for 3rd party games that they can already get? Makes no sense to do that. It always comes back down to Nintendo's 1st party games.
A PS4 clone has no chance at reclaiming that marketshare.
Good editorial Nintendo Life. I wasn't thinking about the tablet angle very much but it has potential as well.
Most of the commenters here haven't been through all the stages of shock yet. You can see that play out on the original story if you want. Lol.
Nintendo will miss out on all the triple-A titles once again.
..will this fit in my pocket like the Game & Watch or 3DS?..
@IceClimbers I guess we'll never know.
The problem, once again, is that the latest 3rd party, AAA multiplats will skip Nintendo's console making it less appealing to someone with finite resources to spend on gaming, which is most of the gaming market. With more powerful machines and VR on the horizon, I fear most people will save their money for those. This can only lead to reduced sales for the NX.
@Radixxs i was thinking something similar - the form factor of this doesn't make much sense to me. my 3ds (granted, it's in a shell) already hurts my fingers if i play it too long, as the weight gets to be a bit much and supporting it puts pressure on my joints at weird angles. i've never felt the need to try a wii u, given the screen in the middle of the controller strikes me as awkward. the nx comes across as if it is an iteration on the wii u concept... but with detachable bits?
one of the flaws of the 3ds, to my mind, is movable parts - this means weak points. now, i've heard you can drop it, but i baby mine as it seems flimsy compared to my vitas. so now we may have a console with added fiddly-ness, a thing we'll have to mess with, parts that may be difficult or may wear out through attaching and detaching. and no consideration, as far as i can tell, for comfortable ergonomics?
fwiw, my favorite gaming device currently is my ps4. beyond games, the reason boils down to comfort. it's the only thing that doesn't hurt my fingers/elbows/shoulders to play for long periods. i really hope the nx doesn't have some awkward build where we're essentially using a tablet as a controller or having to bother with pieces that likely also awkward on their own, plus added tedium to attach and detach.
(disclaimer - i'm middle aged, my kids probably don't care about these things!)
Can someone explain the whole "dev kits use an X1 chip with fans" thing and how that equates to an X2 chip in the final product?
I normally number myself among the most Nintendo-cynical, so I'm surprised to say I don't have a lot negative to say about these rumors. I think it's a smart move on their part to emphasize the portable, since that's where they've had the most success as of late. And I also think there's a niche third-party market out there that would be willing to adopt this. I mean, consider the fact that solid third party/indie games still release every week on the Vita (essentially an underpowered handheld PS3), and that console was largely abandoned by Sony years ago. I think this could have some legs if it's done right.
The "if it's done right" part is key though. It needs a seriously strong launch lineup if it's going to make the splash it needs to. The marketing needs to make sense. The "detachable controllers" idea needs to be well-implemented (so please don't gimp the number of buttons on each). I think if they can land these three punches, I don't think it's going to have any problem selling millions of units.
IM SO FREAKING SCARED RIGHT NOW!!!! NX UNVEAL PLEASE!!!
'You need to calm down. I'm sure Nintendo is going to make the right decisions that will steer them and everybody for that matter, down the right path.'
sorry, but that ship has long since sailed.
@aaronsullivan "I wasn't thinking about the tablet angle very much"
But I've been beating you over the head with tablet talk for 2 straight weeks. OK, maybe that was Gonru and Thanos for the most part, but surely you were in there somewhere.
I feel something is missing in today's Eurogamer report. Maybe the report only talks about the portable component of the NX and their sources didn't provide information about the console part??
May be we will here the rest of the story soon??
A "new way to play" isn't obvious in this report and the "special" idea that myiamoto mentioned before couldn't be just a screen with two detachable controllers IMO.
My feelings tells me that there's some sort of a gimmick that isn't mentioned here and nintendo will reveal it soon. May be hand gestures recognition as was mentioned previously in a patent??
Dragon Quest Heroes, unreal engine 4 on the tegra x1... I don't think soooo.... :-/
@GrailUK this could be the end of an Era. I may actually buy a ps4. I have always been a Nintendo guy.
@blaisedinsd you don't understand the concept be because its disrupting the mobile market...
@kobashi100 you are joking right? they are detatchable
Whatever it is, what's more important is how they sell it. They should stop this waiting suspense already or they'll have no time to build hype for the actual thing that people know what it actually is.
All I care is whether there will be good games on it. Like more Fire Emblem, Etrian Odyssey and SMT, if it's supposed to replace the 3DS. Otherwise, I know where to find Persona 5... Don't screw up Nintendo.
@A01 actually, not really In fact, not at all... the idea has legs and that's what counts.
I think the portable to home concept is great, but the devil is in the details...how big is the hard drive? What kind of graphics quality can we expect? Will VC buys carry forward? Will 3rd party software makers hop on board?
Its way too early to make a snap judgement, but in my opinion, the concept seems really appealing.
@Piersen personally, I see 3 SKUS
10K talked about this possibility, whatever, we are so close to the official reveal, expect more theories like this....
@PtM its a tablet
@BiasedSonyFan Unless, and hear me out here, Nvidia were so burned and wanton for a new console deal after Sony & MS dumped them, that they struck a deal with Nintendo for the new chips at a much lower cost. I'm still not buying this info over the AMD rumours, but I can imagine a scenario where a deal has been done.
Still, that would leave a spare design win for AMD hanging around......
@Danrenfroe2016 Oh my first thought after reading he rumour was 'which graphics cards am I gonna buy?' lol. I am all set for PC gaming and Nintendo gaming in my living room
The concept seems fine and all, could work really well.
But i really hope we don't have to play with slide-pads only, or whatever it's called, like the ones on the 3DS models. I hope it has proper sticks.
the detachable controllers reminds me of wiimote and nunchuk
@SharkAttackU To be fair, there's a good chance that those games would have skipped it anyways. Those kinds of games tend to sell like garbage on Nintendo platforms, which makes it not worth supporting in the long run. The audience just isn't there, and I think it's firmly rooted in the Xbox/PlayStation ecosystem.
The only way I see people switching out of that ecosystem is to become a PC gamer or dropping out of the hobby altogether.
@k8sMum I do think the ship is trying to correct course. The NES Mini was years overdue and totally out of the blue. Last week we got the 2 Starfox demos and Metroid prime blast ball. Now I don't think one week corrects 3 years of mismanagement, the Wii U at $299 is horrendous, but I think business first Kimishima may be trying to make some sound business decisions, not choices based on - we're Nintendo and we know better than you what you want. That works for Apple, but not Nintendo.
Of course what I see as sound business decisions many other people on here don't agree with, but I'm OK with that. NX is a handheld with TV out is something I've been promoting since before NX was announced. New 3DS should have had TV out to get the ball rolling, but I suppose this way NX looks new.
@kotag no, I hate the ps4, what I want is a system that is powerful enough to be on par with xbox one and ps4 so we can at least get some games this time around, even if they are ports are not. If everything else is right about the nx, it will be great, but if the system is severely underpowered again, we probably won't be getting much in the way of third party support yet again.
@rjejr I think there's a LOT missing from all these "new" rumors here. First off, it's an amalgamation of a lot of old stuff that has already largely been discredited/debunked on many sites and forums, and now a couple of new details have been added, and all of a sudden it "seems" to be true. Go figure...
More than half of these rumors are based on leaks from Tenkay, a guy that most people on here have ridiculed and who was NEVER completely verified on Reddit or NeoGAF as having actual inside contacts or insider knowledge, so he didn't pass any decisive bars.
Right now he's blabbing on about 3 SKU's, that would offer some really strange combinations hardware-wise:
I also see no "new way to play" in this concept, unless you count a screen with detachable controllers as new or revolutionary, which I do not. And a tablet also isn't new and they have explicitly and repeatedly said that there will be NO going back to Wii U, so there doesn't have to be any backward compatibility.
If there is some sort of screen in the controller, then that will be more than enough to suit those Wii U remakes that require it.
But suffice to say that if all this is true, then they better be using the Tegra X2, because the X1 is already over 2 years old and the newer version has more functionalities and more oomph, and would therefore make it more future proof.
And they better add in the SCD's too, to double down on that future proofing...
@rjejr Well, I guess it's all true. I found a leaked picture of that screen with the detachable controllers:
@BiasedSonyFan Well, if they go much weaker than that then I suppose they had best pray Ubisoft were right. I don't know if anyone would back outdated hardware again, sans the casual players who know little different. I suppose we will see, one way or another.
I know it is just a rumor but if it is true that the nx will be nothing more than a glorified handheld device, then I am finished with Nintendo. No words can't describe how stupid this idea is. If I wanted to play with a handheld, I use my old 3ds. I like to play with my console games at home not on the road. The worst thing of all if this is true, it will not be powerful as the ps4.
"Yes, I do prefer Nintendo 1st party games, but I don't want to have to buy a 2nd system to play those games either - it's extra money, space, and focus."
Nobody wants to buy another system to play 3rd party games, but it's just the reality we live in. Even if Nintendo somehow miraculously got 20%, even 20% of the total third-party games other systems get it still wouldn't be enough and it would still leave people needing to buy another system. And Nintendo will never in a million years get 20%
So either way people are going to have to buy another system whether they want to or not. If they want third-party games that is. It's not ideal and it's not what people envision in a perfect universe, it's not what people want, but it's what we have to do because it's the reality we live in and nothing is going to change that no matter how many third-party games Nintendo gets on NX.
The bottom line is if you can't get all the third-party games then you might as well not have any at all. The only way you're ever going to have an all-in-one console is it Nintendo goes out of business and puts their games on another system and we all know that's not going to happen in our lifetimes in all likelihood. The only other way you would have an all in one console is if people started buying third-party games en mass like they do on other consoles, and that also is probably not going to happen in our lifetimes. Quite the opposite happens actually- with each passing generation third party games sell less and less and more more publishers pull out because they just don't want to waste the money porting the game to a system where no one buys it.
I know it's not ideal but the 3rd party market has just simply moved on from Nintendo
If this proves true, and right now that's a very considerably large if, I think the new way to play they were referring to would be the fact that you can play your console/TV games but then take your "console" with you on the go to play anywhere. It would combine both handheld and console, that's #1 A huge value for consumers who would no longer have to spend $350 on a brand-new console and another $200 on a brand-new handheld. You could buy one console hybrid for $400 and be done with it.
It would also solve the cross by issues, completely and utterly, and permanently. If you buy a game to play on your console on the TV, you can also play it on the go on a handheld without paying twice and without needing download codes and without needing to sync any accounts because it is the very same hardware that you're playing it on.
That seems like a pretty substantial new way to play games. Kind of a play anywhere at any time kind of thing. Rather then buying two copies of Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate for $100, then using save transfer tools to relay your save data back and forth when you leave the house...
PSP had tv out and it wasn't a big deal so that as the selling point for the NX is a joke.
Super Gameboy and Gameboy Player were not a big deal either and that's basically NX.
Portable competing in power with Wii U let alone PS4 and Xbone is a hard fail waiting to happen. Its either not enough power or battery life and cost will kill it.
Just putting 3DS games on TV will not sell consoles.
Just putting Wii U games on portable will not sell consoles.
Consolidating Wii U and 3DS in to one console will not sell consoles. It will kill them both.
@blaisedinsd Battery life doesn't have to be an issue. The Nvidia Shield is doing just fine with the Tegra X1 as a gaming tablet.
This thing better have a resistive touch screen. A particularly unresponsive resistive touch screen.
i don't see why the controllers would detach from the thing. just so you could carry the screen around with no buttons?
@LegendOfPokemon that is exactly how I feel at this point too, which makes me think this rumour is complete crap
a gaming tablet? We are hoping NX is as good as a gaming tablet? What a joke
While these are rumors...I believe that these are correct. Let's face it: a cheap system with a normal controller on par with the PS4 for $300 doesn't fit Nintendo's current philosophy. The system in the rumors fit Nintendo's current philosophy way better. Plus, while many (including myself) wanted to see a Nintendo system capable of running many third-party games easily, that's just not feasible in the current landscape (especially Western third-party games) due to many gamers preferring PS4 and Xbox for those games, developers believing they won't make profit with those games on a Nintendo system, and Nintendo itself not making it easy for those developers to code for a Nintendo system.
However, while the rumors may be largely correct, that doesn't mean that EVERY aspect of the rumors is correct, nor does it mean that those are all of the aspects of the NX. In other words, even if everything in those rumors is correct, it's still quite possible that there could be many aspects of the NX – like potentially a separately-sold pro controller, or a charging station that connects to a TV via HDMI and has enough additional power to rival the Xbox One and PS4 – that we don't know yet and could make the NX much more palatable to gamers who prefer home consoles (such as myself).
If Nintendo could price the basic system (the portable) that has roughly PS3 power at $200 or $250, separately sell a no-frills base at $30 that simply connects the basic system to the TV for 720p gaming, separately sell a base that boosts the power of the basic system to PS4-levels for $100 or $150, have a bundle with the basic system and the power-boosting base for $300 or $350, and sell a pro controller separately for $50-$60, I think Nintendo could have a winner on its hands.
@blaisedinsd No, you misunderstood. I only pointed out that the battery life doesn't have to be an issue since the Shield is also using the same chipset and it's battery life is just fine, and it does a lot more things in the background than a dedicated handheld running on this chipset would have to do.
How would the different chips on Wii U (AMD) and NX (Tegra - if true) affect the development of Breath of the Wild?
Since we know the game will be on both systems - shouldn't there be some similarity in architecture between the consoles?
If there isn't an easy way to get BotW to work on the different architecture then it might dis-spell parts of this rumour.
Awesome power for an handheld not sure how it'll hold up against the new PlayStation n Xbox range unless the base unit adds more power.
i can understand no physical backwards compat because its cartridge based, but surely all the eshop games from wii u and 3ds will be available on the NX. If they're not then i won't upgrade.
"PSP had tv out and it wasn't a big deal so that as the selling point for the NX is a joke.
Super Gameboy and Gameboy Player were not a big deal either and that's basically NX."
*The PSP out used a cable, not a docking station. It may be a small difference but consumers don't like running into the TV via cable. Docking stations however are very appealing because you simply set your device on it and you're good to go. So this will be a much bigger selling point then simply connecting some cable and plugging it into the back of your television every time you want to use it
*GameBoy Player and Super GameBoy were accessories for existing home consoles which you also had to buy separately in addition to your separate handheld games. This is more along the lines of a GameBoy advance that simply docks out of the box and plays on the TV. No GameCube required, no GameBoy Player required.
All of the above mentioned examples were running handheld games that were never meant to look good on a TV. The NX, if it's at least on par with what we have now with Wii U, Will be running handheld games that literally are on par with home consoles, so there will be a huge incentive to play them on a TV because these games are TV quality games. Very few people want to play some washed up game boy game on the television but I can promise you there will be plenty of people who want to play Zelda Breath of the Wild on a television if it looks as good if not better than the Wii U console version does
I was one of those crazy people who bought a 3DS at launch! And I didn't even know about the ambassadors program! Idiot!
So say the NX isn't backwards compatible, does this mean I keep my Wii U? I think I'm gonna keep my Wii U anyway.
I seriously don't see the appeal of having a more space consuming dock rather than simply a cable.
I simply don't believe that a console can realistically be made that plays breath of the wild portable the same as it does non-portable on a television.
I certainly wouldn't buy a whole new console in order to play Wii U quality games regardless if its portable or not. I also don't think they can make a satisfactory portable capable of running that game when it's already pushing Wii U to its limits.
The Wii needed to be upgraded as it wasn't even in HD. The Wii U, if not correcting the power gap, has no compelling reason to be upgraded. If NX can't run any better games than 3DS or Wii U than why bother making it?
@Damar9102 "A "new way to play" isn't obvious in this report and the "special" idea that myiamoto mentioned before couldn't be just a screen with two detachable controllers IMO."
Glad it's not just me thinking that. It just sounds like an overelaborated cocktail of rumours and patents with nothing completely unique.
@ThanosReXXX OK if this was just replacing 3DS but it is supposed to compete with PS4 and XBONE?
"It's all just a little bit of history repeating. . . ."
@WiltonRoots Ultimately though, it would be something pretty unique when all is said and done; if it turned out to be just like the rumour above.
Yeah, as you said Damien, I have a bit of concern with how the actual design will succeed in terms of having all these removable controllers and stuff. But, if it's done right it could be cool. It'll take some pretty impressive design though to get it right; that much I can say for sure. I know, because I've been thinking about all this crap since before the Wii and up until now.
If these rumours are true, it's almost as if Nintendo read my thoughts in articles like this:
And just said "**** it; let's just put everything he's mentioned into one design. That'll shut him up!"—except for the VR stuff.
Well I agree there- there's not really a compelling reason to upgrade the power beyond Wii U. I think when they reached that level of power this generation they hit a plateau where anything above and beyond is going to see extremely diminishing returns for the games on their system.
I would've been perfectly OK seeing the console supported for another few years, unfortunately it failed in the market so they need to take another crack at it. The thing is, they can't attract current non-Nintendo gamers with third-party support because current non-Nintendo gamers already have third-party support on the consoles they're playing on. So NX getting third-party support means nothing to these people, because they already have those games. I think Nintendo understands that they need to offer something different, something new, something to entice these people that they don't already have.
The issue lies with current Nintendo gamers. Most of us were perfectly happy with how Wii U games look. Sure a few games could've benefited from having more powerful hardware but at the end of the day, those games are far and few between, and a vast majority of games already look close to perfect as is thanks to the art-focused styles of Nintendo's library. Welcome to the post-7th gen HD era, where power loses its clout with each passing generation.
So if power beyond this plateau of diminishing returns is the only alternative, then a choice had to be made. Are people going to pay $400 to get the same types of games they're playing now with just a little better lighting? Or are they more likely to pay $400 to get the same types of games they're playing now but with the ability to play them at home or on the go and with a library twice as large and with the cross-buy issue solved on a system level?
I think they made the right choice.
Now, seeing as nothing has been confirmed, I can respect your skepticism... and I guess only time will tell. But if they succeed in producing a handheld console that can run games on par with Wii U, I'd say they've made a very compelling argument towards what could be the most exciting handheld ever created. And certainly the most powerful.
@blaisedinsd I don't know, since it is just a rumor and according to Nintendo themselves, NX is not going to be one console or handheld, but multiple form factors.
And if they use the Tegra X2 in this handheld component, then you will be looking at close to Xbox One specs on a handheld, so that would be REALLY nice, and then if the docking system has some additional hardware to upgrade for "big screen" gaming, then we might very well be looking at slightly better than PS4 which could go all the way up to PS NEO if the SCD's are actually a thing, so I'm not too worried yet.
Unless Nintendo unveils it, confirms this rumor is true and it contains a Tegra X1...
You make a good point. It's possible that the issue could be somewhat avoided by having the power-boosting base act to the basic model like PS Neo acts to PS4 or Xbox Scorpio acts to Xbox One; the basic model plays all games in 720p 30fps, but with the power-boosting base you get 1080p 60fps and some added graphics capabilities. That way everyone who buys an NX (basic or with the power-boosting base) can play the same games.
..hmm..something like this could work I guess..
@SH007ME In terms of purely the aesthetic design, I liked this thing the moment I saw it. It's pretty slick looking.
I agree with your points, except for the cost of the home console bundle. It should be $400 at most and frankly $300 or $350, after all the highest a Nintendo home console ever launched at was $350 (and said console is Nintendo's worst-selling home console ever), and Nintendo after all isn't associated with a premium price for better or worse.
@Kirk ..ikr..much better than their old design..lol
Please People wake finaly up. Nintendo will NEVER go the same way again as Sony and Microsoft. Lets face the truth Nintendo never got the full Third-Party-Support. Not even on the Gamecube even if it was powerful enough. Everybody who buys a Nintendo Console buys it for the exclusives and there are many that are worth it. Nintendo knows that. Nintendo wants to be a second Console that people buy because of Nintendo. Lets face it. If you have a Powerful PC or a PS4 or a Xbox One there is no reason to buy another one of these. There arnt enough exclusive Titels. But its always worth to buy a Nintendo Console as second Console. As it gives you a whole diffrent experenice then the rest.
Nintendos only Problem is that they cant make enough awesome Games for the WiiU and the 3ds. So its just smart to focus all the energy on a Hybrid. Imagine it you can play EVERY Game that Nintendo does on ONE Platform. If you want to play it on the TV you can do it. If you want it on the go you can do it. That is awesome ! A console with Zelda, Mario, Monster Hunter, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Etrian Odysee, Smash Bros is just amazing.
If this rumors are true Nintendo finaly goes the right way. They will bring all Nintendo fans togehter under one Console and you all will see that we will get more awesome games then ever before.
I wonder if the two controller pieces will be able to attach together so you can literally have a simple console setup on the go.
Ninvidia Shield Portable 2.
Anyway not buying until the first price drop and they release a cheaper model than the base one that has the controls integrated and doesn't come with the dock, which I don't care about. The fully portable Ninvidia Shield.
The GPD Win will still be my main portable for the next/current gen anyway.
@Captain_Gonru "I do wonder about those detachable controls."
Well there's 2 versions of NX. Aaron's version, everybody in a household buys their own complete NX "platform-in-a-box", therefore every household has multiple sets of controllers, so you won't need to buy anything extra. In my version, the base station is sold separetly from the handheld but w/ it's own controller, even though you still need to plug in the NX tablet Tesseract to play games, but sticking a "Pro" controller in the box w/ the base makes the base worth purchasing. And other stuff will be sold sepratly 2.
The reality will probably be somewhere between Aaron's all-in-one and my piecemeal approach, but dont worry, there will be "Pro" controllers sold seprately. Though those Pro controllers may be 2-packs of Wiimotes and Nunchucks. This is still all just rumour, even if it's what I've been preaching forever.
I'm aware this probably isn't the place to say, and that there may be noone here to even listen - but I was thinking.
So, apparently there's going to be a controller that you 'snap' on or off, as you please. But I was wondering...
If it's a portable console, wouldn't you want the buttons with you at all times?
If it's being used as a home console controller, wouldn't you need the buttons to use it as a controller?
I don't understand the context in which you would NOT need the controller attached to the unit itself! IT SEEMS CRAZY TO ME!
At least, this is how my mind is rationalizing such odd news.
Please, someone fill me in.
@ThanosReXXX That's so ugly XD lol
@Moon To play on your TV screen? since you won't need the screen (tablet) itself when you play on a TV, then just snap em back on when you want to go mobile...
@SeaSalty Unfortunately, I don't understand where you're coming from. If you're playing on the TV, you will most definitely want the controller attached. Wouldn't you?
If you're on the road, you will want the controls... If you're at the tele, you need the controls, if you're anywhere, you will want the controls.
In what context would it be advantageous to take the controller OFF of your console? I don't understand.
Thanks for the reply, though.
@SeaSalty True. Then again: prototypes are rarely aesthetically pleasing, it's more about them being functional so they can try things out and iron out the kinks before going into production.
Maybe not. And honestly I have no idea how much the system is going to cost, I was just throwing a number out there as an example.
But I expect between $300-400. And if it is indeed a handheld that comes with docking station and is at least as powerful as Wii U, I'd pay $400. That's what PS4/X1 cost when they released. If it's a home console then it doesn't have to be as compact, which means it can cost them less which means it can cost us less. But if it's a handheld, that means higher expense because you're cramming all that technology into a device that's portable, so in that situation I could certainly get behind paying a $400 price tag which I gladly paid for pretty much every system I own at this point. All of them were $350-400 when I bought them (except X1 which was $500 and I waited)
@rjejr Some level-headed perspective on it all:
In the second video, keep an eye on the upper left corner right after the one minute mark...
Once again rumors are keeping Nintendo relevant.Edit Oh god Player Essence. Guy just loves hearing himself talk
@Moon Sorry, I wasn't quite clear lol
I meant, since you won't need the tablet/screen part to play on the TV, (why else would the controllers be detachable?) then you just pop them back into the tablet/screen when you're on the go
I agree, $400 cannot be the entry price. It could be the premium tier, but it definitely cannot be the entry level.
And actually, I would disagree with your prediction that Nintendo would discount the Wii U. They may, but so far despite even a lack of games in late 2016 they still kept the $300 price. If the rumors about NX are correct, that could be because they want to DISSUADE anyone from buying the Wii U when the NX launches. For example, if Wii U was $200 when NX portable was $200 and NX portable + home was $350 or so, and both were roughly the same power level, people would choose the cheaper system with an already existent and great library of games (Wii U). But if Wii U and NX were at the same price, then people would choose the system with a future (NX). And of course they want as many people as possible to choose NX, so they'd rather not lower the Wii U price.
@SeaSalty But, wouldn't it make more sense to just use a controller, rather than stick a peripheral on your handheld? If you have to go through the effort of plugging things into your handheld, why not just plug in a Pro Controller, or whatever?
I don't see it making any sense. I can't see Nintendo doing this.
@Moon The "tablet" is the console. In order to play with it on the road, you attach the controls, which are optional b/c it will also work as a smaller touchscreen tablet b/c most kids these days are raised on touchscreen tablets and dont' know what real buttons do. But yes, most gamers will keep them attached when playing on the go. But when you play at home the tablet needs to be placed into a wired dock which is wired into your tv. There is no 2nd screen play like the Wii U, the tablet is inserted into the dock next to your TV so the HDMI wire from the dock can plug into your tv. You need to take the controller portions off of the tablet to use them to control the game on your tv.
That's the rumour anyway. I'd like to think the base station dock will come w/ a Pro controller so we can keep the attachments on the tablet and not have to take them off.
My sweet spot will be if the handheld has a X1 chip and the home docking station has a X2 chip. Badass looking games on the go and enough power to compete with the rivals at home. They could also give budget conscious consumers and parents an option to buy the NX handheld with a basic docking station that adds no extra power or they could sell stand alone NX handhelds with a cord to connect to the TV. We shall see but I really hope Nintendo has a X2 chip in one of the sku's
I actually think this rumor explains why Nintendo hasn't dropped the price of the Wii U yet, even as the rest of 2016 has virtually no Wii U games. Assuming this rumor is correct, NX may be roughly the same power and graphics level as Wii U. If Wii U was say $200 when NX launches, more than likely NX, or at least the portable NX plus the home base, would be more expensive. Since both would roughly be the same power level, people would choose the cheaper system with an already existent and great library of games (Wii U). But if Wii U and NX were at the same price, then people would choose the system with a future (NX). And of course they want as many people as possible to choose NX to make it a viable platform, so that may have made them decide to not lower the Wii U price since 2013.
I'm willing to bet that there are features, mini-games (like those found on the 3DS Miiverse Plaza), and a major selling point that we're currently unaware of that take full advantage of mobility and touch features. The rumors here---if accurate---only skim the surface and fail to paint an accurate picture of how all of this can potentially mesh together in a marketable way. Once Nintendo gets their chance to give the NX a proper unveiling, that will change.
There is always that unique brand Nintendo innovation and surprise to gain our interest, and I'm fairly certain many will be singing a tune of optimism come reveal time. I promise.
If true, this thing has Iwata written all over it. Always only thinking about the Japan market.
No one in the West in 2017 is walking around with anything other than their smart phone on them, let alone this rumored monstrosity (detachable controls??).
If true, i wouldn't doubt Nintendo is also developing something else in tandem to be better prepared for another Wii U like situation, just in case.
The March release date seems to add even more credence to this rumor and it being largely a portable. I know this much: if true, the next Wii phenomenon this is not.
@Captain_Gonru B/c some games work better w/ touch. Remember all of those PS3 games that worked with Move? Don't laugh, a lot of FPS did. Move worked well as a light gun. So there are people who would prefer a smaller tablet to carry around, it's why Apple invented the Mini. Some people would prefer controls and will put up w/ the inconvenience of "parts". Many people own phones and need to carry around headphones to listen to music, same thing, as long as they sell the NX w/ a pouch to carry everything. Or a huge secondary market in such, like 3DS covers. Not NEw 3DS faceplates, I hate those, I mean covers. Have you not noticed all the 3DS cases that hold the console and the games? Remember, this is a 3DS replacement, not a Wii U Replacement.
Well of course they're cheaper now. All consoles drop in price. But that doesn't mean a console shouldn't launch at full price and just skip right to the discount. What ever the NX launches at, it will drop in price in due time just like the other consoles waited a year or two before they dropped.
The way I see it, Nintendo managed to sell 75 million units of hardware this generation
60 million 3DS
15 million Wii U
The numbers are close enough that they'll definitely hit 60 and 15 by the end of the generation. When you combine those numbers you get a respectable 75 million (which is more along the lines of what they need to be hitting with a single platform, so it makes sense at this point to consolidate if they want to survive) and that's even during their worst generation yet. That was selling them separately at a combined cost of $500, and selling game separately and having no cross-buy, etc.
I think if they can muster 75 million units selling separately during their worst generation, then how much better will they do combining them into a single unit that costs less than buying two units separately, where all games purchased are playable on the go or on a TV, where cross buy is no longer an issue...
I know $400 sounds steep but that's the price of most new consoles and to be honest, if you're getting a console and a handheld all tucked into one that's a steal. Like $250 for console and $150 for handheld out the gate.
Will people buy into it? I'm not sure. There's no doubt that it's a good value but, I guess it depends on who is buying it and how appealing it looks to them. Maybe people will buy into it in droves, maybe they won't... who can say.
All I know is I'll be buying into it, The heck with what everyone else does
@rjejr That sounds nasty. If that's the way it is then I'll likely not be interested in the NX.
I hope it's something a bit more like the 3DS, with controls built in to the device.
If this is true, then I don't think Nintendo realize that people already have tablets. They don't want to buy one seperately just to use it with their new console... unless of course, the tablet part of the console is literally any tablet that meets a cetain spec requirement, like an ipad for example, that uses bluetooth controllers on each side. . . Sounds horrible either way!
I think Nintendo can hit it big with this. I mean they have the software to do it and for fun they can remaster some WiiU games giving them a massive launch library. Imagine all of Nintendo's software all in one console.
I mean a launch line-up of:
Splatoon ( or a Splatoo2 reveal)
Mario Kart 8(all dlc) (this alone can sell like 5 mil alone at launch)
Smash Bros (all dlc)
Pokken Fighters (with new fighters)
Pokemon Sun and Moon
Bayonetta 3 (hopefully)
Luigi's Mansion 3 (if the rumor is true)
Add that with Ubisoft's support(hopefully), killer marketing, good price point and Nintendo could get Pokemon Go or Wii and DS sales if they could keep it up.
Then we could get games like FFXV, Kingdom Hearts 3(this needs to be on Nintendo's next console) , Cod, the sports titles and whatever.
If Nintendo can sell it everything else will fall into place. It's all up to Nintendo.
@Captain_Gonru "No parent likes to go accessory hunting."
I think that;s why the NES Mini doens' thave a slot, no parent wants to go around looking for 20 year old NES game cartridges. 30 games, no muss no fuss. 1 purchase and done. Well ok 2 w/ an extra controller, but that's only $9.99.
Sounds good to me but how would you play Just Dance on this?
@rjejr "But I've been beating you over the head with tablet talk for 2 straight weeks. OK, maybe that was Gonru and Thanos for the most part, but surely you were in there somewhere."
You have to define what a tablet is first before you can take credit.
I think I just hadn't gotten to thinking about using it without the controllers attached and not on the base either. Didn't see that little diagram or imagine playing it with the screen propped up and two people using it with one half of the controls each again without the base/TV use. It needs a new name different from couch multiplayer like: bus multiplayer.
The whole new perspective has made me wonder about base station in every box. A little less confident in that one with this scenario. I'd hope it's about $50 if it's separate though, unless of course it does magic performance boosting with silicon. Then, it should be $100 to $200 and then the whole thing goes out of the window for me as infeasible.
@DBPirate Detach controller sides. Each has an accelerometer and maybe even a gyro. Now two can play with one system.
The important things for me are :
1. Region FREE
2. More color options at least 5. White / Black / Silver / Metallic Blue / Metallic Red
3. Backward compatible possibility
4. Reasonable price
5. A lot of Bundles like 3DS XL
6. More deep robust games, especially Nintendo's IP.
7. More kids friendly games with better concept and gameplay.
8. More sturdy material. Seriously, 3DS analog button can broke easily.
9. Deep robust interface, like 3DS.
10. Long lived internal battery. Wii U battery is really nasty.
11. Possibility for 3rd party to provide the accessories or controller or any kind of video game support with gorgeous design , reasonable price and reliable quality.
I actually agree that it's better to price lower. Strategically I think $400 could be a bad move.
I'm just saying, hypothetically, I still think it's worth it. I'd probably even pay $500. Then again, I'm the type of guy who shells out $500 on PSVR preorder that's an untested platform. So perhaps I'm more daring then most.
And ya, I'm convinced gamers would call Internet connection a gimmick if it wasn't for the fact it was already implemented in the sixth generation
Of course gamers tend to let it slide elsewhere. There's plenty cameras and move controllers and VR and mouse pads and etc. But I think Nintendo fans are particularly brutal when it comes to admiring technological advancements and experimentation to see if something may improve the experience. I thought Wii was a fantastic platform to experience. Gaming became intriguing again for me, and the dual screens and 3D... and now that Sony is bringing VR (waiting so long for VR) it all helps to make gaming intriguing and unpredictable. Because predictable can get kind of boring I think.
But ya, I think this needs to be sold as a portable, a high end portable. The 3DS Fanbase will most likely all get on board over the course of the first two years, and Wii U gamers will probably get on board because this is their only future for Nintendo gaming. It's either this or you just quit playing the games you love altogether and well, what's the point of that.
Then hopefully a few PS and Xbox gamers say hey, I could buy a second console and not only get Nintendo games to supplement my library, I could have them as a handheld game or console. It's a fairly appealing proposition I think.
As for the casual gamers, honestly, I have no clue how they will take this or if they'll even pay any attention at all. But it's very possible because this means Pokémon will now be playable on TV, which is a first in the 20 years of the series history. And a lot of people who like monster Hunter (like me!) will be anxious to see it on the big screen again
@Captain_Gonru I already answered this in #147, but they come off for 2 reasons - 1, to make the tablet smaller to carry around for people who only want to carry around a tablet, 2, b/c when you place the tablet in the dock you need the controller parts to play the games while the games are on the TV screen.
I'm not saying it's a perfect solution, and I think having them fold in half like shudders over the tablet screen would be nice, but my guess is the hinges would be too breakable or unstable for prolonged play.
And again, it's just a rumour.
@aaronsullivan "You have to define what a tablet is first before you can take credit."
Sorry, I didn't mean to take credit for the tablet idea, just that you said it had never occurred to you before, or something like that, but I know we've been talking about it. Nintendo needs a tablet for all of it's DeNA games and Pokemon Shuffle and all the other free-to-start touchscreen games. It also needs a tablet to replace the $79 2DS, which is a tablet for kids w/ buttons. Kids like tablets, parents would like a kid friendly Nintendo tablet.
I didn't however think the tablet would be the Tesseract. I thought it would be more of a stand alone device for kids, or used as a controller, it wouldn't actually play the games. It wouldn't be the NX, it would be labeled as an NX Tablet Controller w/ a limited OS, like a Gamepad it it didn't play retail games, just Miiverse and some indies.
But now, well the NX could actually be a tablet, w/ add ons, and a dock. Basically Nvidia Shield w/ Nintendo written on it. So that wasn't really my tablet idea, my tablet was a controller, not a console.
And you still got that song stuck in your head huh? No treble indeed. I still think there is a Home. I think the handheld can come w/ a "cradle" or a "dock", but a "base station" is an NX Home. So I still think they are 2 separate $200 systems, like Nvidia tablet and home, and this rumour isn't false, it's just "half right". So yeah, I'm still sticking w/ my original idea, rumours be damned. I just can't reconcile the power needed for a handheld at the price it needs to be to output 720p on a tv. Though the Tegra X2 could make it possible I suppose.
Know what would be nice, if Nintendo actually told us what it was. Already. Finally. Forthwith and with due haste even. They can even withhold the price until later while they sort their costs out, but at least tell us the "platform".
It was right in plain sight the entire time.
I think it will be successful. I'll take my 3ds and game, (even as the xl it fits fine in my pocket) but not my phone. I only really play pokemon go, because it's a game that can afford interruption, even though there are some attractive titles it's too easy to not play games on my phone. I'll take a dedicated device for portable gaming; I'm not keen on playing and priced Zelda experience on a smartphone or small tablet, they are not dedicated gaming devices. Give me a dedicated gaming device and the thinking changes.
I think in this day and age where everything is "smart" you find redundancy everywhere, the difference is the form factor and operating systems.
I like the idea, it speaks to the Japanese market, I'm really curious to see where their efforts in AR and Streetpass go, it sounds like it could be something that works in tandem with accessories like HR monitors and fitness devices via bluetooth. I can see unlockables by actual activity, it would encourage their QOL initiative, and by dedicating most of their resources to a portable they have essentially removed the biggest obstacle between gaming and an active lifestyle by literally removing the walls.
There are many devices that could potentially do what I mentioned, but I think the difference is that this is a dedicated gaming company making a dedicated platform that can be a catalyst for their QoL initiative.
I'm more of a home console player, and not a portable one, so this worries me.
So, who is casual market then ?
Parents can update their knowledge about gaming.
Just don't be LAZY.
So no more excuses about lack of gaming knowledge.
I believe there are some kids that still likes handheld and consoles rather than mobile. There are some people still like to playing video games no matter how bulky the machine or complicated the system. There are some people can accept the complexity of video games, even something like Wiimote / Wii Balance Board /AR Card / Amiibo, etc.
No need to worry. Both Console and handheld are same fun. I caught myself more interested with my 3DS games rather than my Wii and Wii U games. I like to bring my 3DS XL and show off to public. At the same time, i still enjoy my Wii and Wii U games. I treat my games equally. So, it will be okay if you try to have handheld games. Graphic doesn't really matter for me as long the gameplay capturing my interest. Even 2D graphic like Kurikin NDS still make me want to continue the games.
This concept has a lot of potential actually, and certainly plays to Nintendo's strengths. Those complaining lack of power themselves have lack of imagination! Of course, the details of exactly how this works will determine its success or failure but if done right could be a smash hit.
I've just realised.
This is local multiplayer on the go.
Anywere, anytime, Pop the screen off, both player take a controler and go, you can both play street fighter 5 on the same screen.
Also expect a lot of buttons on each side.
@SH007ME Indeed. lol
Remember when they said that they wouldn't be showing the NX at E3?
Maybe they were lying.
@Anti-Matter I have owned a Game Boy, a Game Boy Advanced, A DS Lite, a DSi, and I have a 3DS. However, I've always been more of a home console and PC guy. Over the years of having my 3DS, I have played it less and less and less, and played my Wii and Wii U more and more and more. Also, I wouldn't be able to "show off" my NX to friends due to the fact that I have no friends who play any type of video games (and I've tried to get them into them, but they won't budge).
While I have enjoyed portable games and systems, home consoles and PC games are what I like and prefer. If Nintendo is doubling down on the portable and not giving me a new powerful home console ... I don't know if I will be willing to fork out that much money for a primarily portable system. I'm fine with a hybrid, but this sounds more like a Super Game Boy. A portable that you can play on your TV.
I was ok with everything I was reading until the detachable controllers. How could they possibly make that happen without compromising the portability of the system? I instantly thought about that Kid Icuras(sp?) add on thing for the 3DS. What about compromising the comfort of the players hands with small controllers. Unless their touch screen. Sorry some of this has been brought up. I just posted my thoughts before reading.
@A01 People are kind of already connecting their devices of all sorts to their tv- my dad is a luddite and has a collection of android boxes, a chromecast in every room (he's more on the up-and-up on this stuff than I am). I think the general population is more amenable to something you pick up and take away with you that can also hook up to the tv than you think.
I just don't see this working. "Play mobile games on your home device" always was a very niche add-on. I don't see a huge segment for it. Perhaps the only thing that will give this an edge is the possible ability to play two players on one handheld device, but then you have issues with the screen being large enough but not so large that holding it with the two controllers attached is too large to hold easily.
@FantasiaWHT I think you're looking at it the wrong way round... it seems to be more about playing home console games on a mobile device, which I'm sure a lot of people will be interested in.
Having two people playing on one handheld device I don't really see happening... I think the multiplayer will stick to the current formulas... multiplayer on one console with a TV in the home setting, and multiplayer on individual consoles while out and about... so the screen on the handheld device won't need to be overly big... the handheld plus controllers will probably not be far off the size of the gamepad, and without the controllers it'll probably be comparable to a large smartphone or a small tablet.
I have no idea why the price matters to so many of you. I'd rather pay double and get a better system. After all, it's a one time payment. If it's so hard to afford for some, those people probably wouldn't have bought enough games anyway to be a valuable customer to the company.
And no, I'm not wealthy by any means. But I can skip a few pizza's the next couple of months and not whining about it.
I'd love a Dual Screen option with a difference - one that can display front and back! This would eliminate the need for split screen multiplayer, however how feasable it would be I don't know.
What I see in not an evolution but a device that may suit Nintendo. Nintendo's game divisions merged in the last couple of years and it seems this device is designed to bring all this work together.
It'll mean we will get more games but I don't really like portable games. It sounds insane actually. Connecting to base stations and detachable controls. It sounds like a Wii u that can be took apart. The Swiss Army knife console. 😑
I can't wait until till they actually reveal the thing so we can know for sure.
tablet gaming is an experience anybody with a tablet can have. tablet with controllers is just a third party solution away. i still think that the ds and 3ds had it right with dual screens because it offered something no portable device can, especially with the new improved 3d effect of the 3ds.
@Captain_Gonru "Reggie should have never given it a name"
Well technically Iwata gave it a name at the DeNA announcement in March 2015.
Reggie told that name to the world at E3 2015. And while he never actually said, "we'll tell you more about it at E3 next year", instead only saying "next year", I think most people heard or interpreted it as "E3 next year". And we can't really blame all of the secrecy now on Iwata or Reggie, who's been like doubly demoted at this point. Kimishima may have inherited NX from Iwata, but he can announce it whenever he pleases.
Third problem - following Iwata announcing NX 2 full years before it's launch, and Reggie taking about it at E3 18 months before is launch, is announcing the March 2017 date before they actually announced what NX was. I remember Dean Kamen making a big prediction about the "next big thing" before announcing what it was, turned out to be "Segway" which was "ho hum" received. They shouldn't have said "March 2017" before saying what it was. That's how reveals work, you announce something, then at the end you announce when it will release, not the other way around. Especially when you keep saying things like "platform" instead of "console" or "handheld". Of course it becomes a rumour mess, and now whatever it is, everyone will be underwhelemd.
But as much as I dislike Reggie, I can't put all of this on him, at some point Kimishima needs to reveal this. That some point probably being back in March, April or May ahead of E3, so E3 could have focused on the games. Probably May, after Starfox and close to E3.
@IceClimbers So NX is short for Nvidia Tegra X1 (or X2 hopefully).
Joking aside, this looks more like the Nvidia platform/family every day.
And I still need to watch that cartoon, I think I downloaded it w/ the demo I still haven't played.
@ThanosReXXX I don't think anybody has ever referred to Blunty as level headed before. I do like his conspiratorial thinking though. This "Report" came out b/c the Nitneod stock price dropped? Really? These "leaks' have been coming out like every other week for the past year and a half, stock price is irrelevant. Same for Go. New week, new rumour. He even says as much for the past 2 minutes of his vid. Then he say she doens't know anything about when it's supposed to come out, which means everything else he just said is clueless, b/c Ntineod has said "March 2017" at least twice now. Not that I necessarily believe it, see Zelda U, but they have said it, it's not a rumour.
@ThanosReXXX Listening to the other one now. Thanks for the pic, I don't know if it's photoshop, fake, homebrew or what, but I always assumed that Gamaepad and Wiimote pic was real as a test run. Bunch of people for some reason haven't been able to wrap their head around this rumour. Guess we're ahead of the curve.
Liked this guy better, agree w/ multiple skus. I'm thinking X1 in the handheld, X2, or maybe another X1 - can they be chained like the GPU cards of days gone by - in the base.
That thing sounds just like the concepts people come up with when talking "hybrid". Not really that exciting or novel or anything. And it wouldn't warrant all the secrecy.
It's only a rumour and I actually hope it won't be more than that.
@rjejr The picture is real. It's the concept for the actual GamePad. The picture comes from the Iwata Asks series of interviews about the Wii U.
@ThanosReXXX Reply to #93, the one above that pic.
What's an SCD? Supplemental computing device? What if we just LAN the base stations together into a super computer
I could believe 3 skus, that's my most recent thought too - Home, Away, Tablet controller which doubles as a 2nd screen and also limited tablet but doesn't play NX games on it's own. Nintneod always needs to throw a confusing wrench into the works, like a wireless Wii U Gamepad w/ only a limited wire range of 8', a 2DS that plays 3D games in 2D. So calling a tablet NX, even though it doesn't actually play NX games, only works as a controller, is something complicated they would do.
You are really caught up on that "new way to play" aren't you? It's ok, we all have our obsessions, mine being release dates. Here's your new way to play - every single game can be played not only on the go or on the tv, but w/ normal controllers or a touchscreen, and with only 1 screen or w/ 2 screens. That's like 8 ways to play each and every game. (2x2x2 matrix I think). 2 screen on the go could be hard, but if you remember a few months back I was saying 2-way tablet, horizontal/landscape 1 screen, vertical/portrait 2 screen like the 2DS. If those attachable controllers can be attached to both the sides or top and bottom, well there ya go. Though probably not, but close enough.
Thanks for the pic info, looks like it could be coming true. Though for me, if the controllers are detachable, just leave a small 5" tablet, no physical controls at all, to make it portable and kid friendly. I don't like redundancy.
I don't think I believe this rumor...I'm just gonna wait until NINTENDO unveils the REAL NX.
@rjejr Yep, SCD's are Supplemental Computing Devices, and they are indeed a VERY real possibility, since the patent for them is the ONLY one cleared for completion, which means they can go from the drawing board into production if Nintendo wishes to do so. The patent is paid for and cleared and it offers a lot of possibilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hhdJbHrBRE
And you are sorely missing Blunty's point, by the way. Maybe you should cut down on the vinegar...
Like @Captain_Gonru I'm also tired of the endless stream of rumors and Nintendo not saying anything to deny or confirm it, but what he's saying is that nobody knows, so of course he is going to say that he doesn't know anything, and that does certainly NOT discredit the rest of what he is saying.
He actually makes a lot of sense when saying that people really should just calm down, stop panicking or moaning and wait until Nintendo themselves tells them what this is going to be. Eurogamer has both been right and wrong about stuff, so all these current rumors are far from set in stone for now.
Most of it is a collection of older news, also based on NeoGAF posts of Tenkay, a guy who has yet to show any proof of his "connections"...
If we jump on this bandwagon, then we might as well go all the way and start believing the latest nonsense coming out of Emily Roger's trap as well...
The picture has already come true: it's called the Wii U GamePad...
@rjejr not really caught up on "new way to play" but if that is indeed what they want to offer, and they HAVE mentioned it WAY too many times for it not to have any meaning, then I'm not seeing that here.
Detachable controllers, wow!
@ThanosReXXX "Wii U GamePad"
Soon to be relegated to the history books alongside the PSPgo.
Well, this rules out two important things. Backwards compatibility as well as equalling the newer itterations of PS4 and Xbox is now ruled out. The idea of a high powered portable doubling as a home unit is not bad. But, this will not work as presented in these rumors. I actually hope they are quite far off the true system details.
I hope it can play 3DS and WiiU games, and carry over purchases...
@rjejr Unfortunately so, yes. It never got the love that it deserved. Not even from its parents...
@rjejr But if they go with this as a handheld replacement, I hope they also do some 3DS remakes instead of just Wii U remakes. 3DS games look surprisingly good in HD:
Not only I prefer the Tegra X2 (even if got a little more expensive), but I do believe that they will use it. That's because they said that Brath of Wild will be prettier on NX, and Tegra X1 it's more or less on par with Wii U capabilities (in a simple way to put) and probably will kill the 3rd parties support. And yeah, they should not try to beat PS4 and Xone, but be left so far behind is not healthy too.
@ThanosReXXX I can see why you like playeressence, he's also caught up with the whole "new way to play thing".
I just felt like posting here b/c only 200 comments, needs more.
@rjejr Aw man, you're not gonna let go of that false assumption, are you?
But seriously, it's not that it rules my life right now, but something IS missing indeed. What in this whole rumored scheme is so special and new that Nintendo is afraid that the competition would steal it? Because that is apparently the whole reason for their incommunicado strategy...
@ThanosReXXX "but something IS missing indeed."
Well right now it's all missing, nothing to see here but leaks. It's like Donald Trump running for President, there's no reality to any of it. Show me something real, and then we can talk about whats missing, and I'll try to find you something special in it, I owe you that much.
@rjejr I was already wondering when you were going to put Trump in one of your comments...
But if you owe me, then do me a favor and answer the question that I gave you in the previous comment or give me your own view on it.
Mind you, with these temperatures, a beer would be better, but since that's physically impossible, actually answering my question will be the next best thing...
@ThanosReXXX Well, as usual I don't know what question you are referring to - I have been trying to watch all of your video links though - but my thought for this morning for "that thing that makes it special" is haptic feedback. I know haptic feedback is old news, but has it really been used in gaming much? Ninteod is all about platformers and button presses. If it has really found a way to make platformers playable on a touchscreen tablet with haptic feedback would that meet your criteria?
Maybe there is no PLAY like it b/c those 4 buttons A,B,X,Y aren't really there, they are just haptic feedback on a touchscreen? Which means they could be anywhere on a touchscreen, which would probably make lefties happy. And not only would it make lefties happy, remember our conversation about holding the tablet in the horizontal or vertical position for 1 or 2 screens? Well w/ haptic feedback you can hold it either way, b/c the buttons just appear on screen. "Buttons are for Luddites" will be the NX slogan.
And if you want more special than that, you'll have to wait until it gets announced so I have something concrete to work with.
So, what question?
@rjejr The question in my previous comment nr #206, my friend:
"What in this whole rumored scheme is so special and new that Nintendo is afraid that the competition would steal it?"
@rjejr P.S. What videos are you "trying" to watch? (how does trying to watch even work? You either watch videos or you don't if you ask me, no offense)
The ones in comment #203 or all the nice Nvidia Shield vids I posted yesterday, or the latest SMD64 video that I posted in the other NX article? That one is a good one, though, imho...
@ThanosReXXX Well "trying to watch" implies you post links to several vids, I watch a few of those several, therefore I am in the midst of "trying to watch them". Which I'm pretty sure would be completely accepted use of standard english, in person, but may not come across so well in type.
This question - "What in this whole rumored scheme is so special and new that Nintendo is afraid that the competition would steal it?"
I already answered Just b/c you don't like the answer or don't agree w/ it doesn't mean I didn't answer it. I'll go try and find it, probably in another thread, hold on...post #194, just a few above this one.
Here's your new way to play - every single game can be played not only on the go or on the tv, but w/ normal controllers or a touchscreen, and with only 1 screen or w/ 2 screens. That's like 8 ways to play each and every game. (2x2x2 matrix I think). 2 screen on the go could be hard, but if you remember a few months back I was saying 2-way tablet, horizontal/landscape 1 screen, vertical/portrait 2 screen like the 2DS. If those attachable controllers can be attached to both the sides or top and bottom, well there ya go. Though probably not, but close enough.
Now, add that answer from 22 hours ago with the haptic feedback on the tablet and you really have something special.
@rjejr Hold on, my friend. I never said that I didn't like any of your answers, sorry if it came across as such.
But I wasn't looking for the new way to play angle, but LITERALLY what would be so interesting or captivating that the other two would possibly want to steal/copy it.
There's absolutely NOTHING in EuroGamer's report that fits that bill.
And haptics on a tablet/handheld have been done by PS Vita, also old news...
@ThanosReXXX OK, maybe "like" was the wrong word, you didn't "accept" my answer, how's that? PS4 and Vita may play the same games, but you still need to buy both, there really hasn't been a good one size fits all hybrid. Even Nvidia Shield, which this practically is a mirror of, has separate $200 Home and Away. So I think cramming a Vita and a PS4 into 1 device is "Special" enough.
Though I still think the Home could be separate from the tablet handheld. The tablet - no controls, just screen, and the handheld - buttons and joysticks - could very well be the same device, and THAT's the hybrid, a hybrid tablet-handheld, but the NX Home could be a separate device, bringing us back to 2nd screen smartglass. None of which would be special enough for you, but that could be 1 alternate interpretation of all of these "leaks". And that's my exit, again.
@rjejr I probably didn't accept your answer because you posted that comment BEFORE my question, which was several comments later, and apparently, I didn't find the answer I was looking for in your or any one else's comments (and I am one of those kooky guys that reads them all) so that is why I asked you and am still asking you, because even something as cool as a two in one device isn't that thing for me that Nintendo wishes to keep so close to it's chest to "shield" it (pun intended) from the competition.
But a little rephrasing might help: in your opinion, what exactly in this latest bit of news/rumor is the specific thing that Nintendo would be so protective of because they feared it would be stolen by the competition? Or if it's not in the EuroGamer news, and besides the whole 2 in 1 thing, what would you consider totally new and worthy of keeping secret from the competition?
(which, according to the EuroGamer article isn't even relevant anymore because Nintendo is doing the Blue Ocean thing again)
Oh, and personally, I don't think it's going to be a hybrid either. Multiple devices and form factors: yes, hybrid: no.
Why? As far as I am concerned, the whole hybrid idea largely stems from the bogus Nintendo Fusion rumors and people incorrectly interpreting mr. Iwata's "console and handheld will be like brothers" statement.
He specifically mentions them separately, otherwise he would have said something along the lines of "will be like one" but he didn't, now did he... ?
So, there will be both types of devices in the NX family/ecosystem, and what he further mentions in this interview, is that it is the architecture/OS that is shared, to make compatibility and sharing of software easier. So you could argue that the OS is hybrid, but that's all.
@ThanosReXXX Problem is, Iwata's dead, and Kimishin has had a year heading developemnt, and I don't care what any leak or rumour says, I'll NEVER believe this thing wasn't planned by Ntindo to be out holiday 2016 but something delayed it until March. Maybe something sane like no games, waiting on Zelda Wild, Pikmin 4 and Luigi Mansion 3, I'm cool w/ that, but holiday 2016 was the plan. And something changed it. Maybe X2.
So maybe Iwata wanted 2 devices, NX Home and NX Away. And maybe Kimishima said, "Screw that, Wii U is failure, Gamecube was a disaster, N64 barely cut it 20 years ago, lets just make a tablet w/ TV out and we'll just turn the NX Home into nothing more than a docking station. Though, while we're at it, since we have this deal w/ DeNA, maybe we can turn the Away into a hybrid handheld-tablet with detachable controllers and haptic feedback on the screen." (Man, when I type it like that, no wonder so many people are upset at the idea.)
Anyway, my point being, Iwata passed away a year ago, things change. And even if he didn't, he's a well known liar. No SSB DLC, no mobile games. Things change, he changed, it all changes.
And as such - knew there was a point in here somewhere - whatever that special "thing" was, maybe it died w/ him. QoL, vitality sensor, patents that go nowhere. Kimishima has had a year to toss that idea to the curb.
Or, if you've every played poker, it's called bluffing. Maybe Iwata had nothing and he was just trying to keep his fans interested and his competitors scared?
Before Wii was out there were rumours and rumblings about the motion controls. Before Wii U came out there was talk of a screen in the controller. A lot of talk. I just haven't heard any talk besides 1 device that plays anywhere, or maybe 2 devices that play the same game, whether that's "fusion" or "hyrbid". I don't even believe that haptic stuff, but it's a possibility I suppose, I was mostly looking for something "Special" for you. But really, I got nuthin. And I'm not expecting anything either. Though it's Ninteod, so they'll have to surprise somehow I suppose. Doesn't take much to surprise people, people were surprised that the Gamecube looked like a lunchbox, handle and all. A lunchbox isn't "Special", but it was a surprise.
Edit: oops, wrong pic.
@rjejr Well, thanks for the effort, and the wall of text, holy cr**...
I would never call mr. Iwata a liar. He said they wouldn't put Nintendo's main IP on mobile phones, true. But he didn't say that they would NEVER do so, get it? As in "not right now" since it made no sense at the time. (and current non-income from both Pokemon GO and Miitomo is also reason to be careful about future titles)
Let me give you a somewhat more everyday example: there's a group of friends hanging around at the beach and a couple of them decide to go for a swim. One stays, and even though they try to convince him, he simply says "no thanks, I don't want to swim". Yet after an hour or so, his friends, who are still in the water, see him walking towards them and taking a dive.
"Hey, what happened with not taking a swim?" "Yeah, well. The sun was getting a bit too hot for me, so I decided to go for a swim after all".
Now, is that guy also a liar? Methinks not. And as for mr. Iwata, I think that what he meant was also that the time wasn't right, and in the entire interview there's some more detail to it, explaining that we will never see triple A titles with main IP's on mobile, so all games will only be snack bite derivatives of actual games.
You can't compare that with a full blown console title put on a smart phone and then call the man a liar.
"Man, when I type it like that, no wonder so many people are upset at the idea"
Glad you came to that conclusion yourself...
But seriously: I can't imagine Kimishima already doing all that much in relation to the NX: that is still very much Iwata's plan and they have stated numerous times that the plan will be completed as he would have wanted it, so don't expect to truly see Kimishima's hand in management until after the NX is released.
As for the NX's special flavor: I still haven't heard or seen anything that warrants secrecy because all of that stuff has been done before in some shape or form. So, unless it's just Nintendo Ninjas spreading misinformation, like @aaronsullivan said in the other NX article, it's still not known what the actual secret and/or gimmick is.
I'm with @rjejr on this one. It's plenty different from what has been tried by the major players before.
Also, for both scenarios, this one that is gaining traction now, and the one where it was going to be a clone console but respectable power there is plenty of room for Nintendo uniqueness. I happen to think the removable controller sides is quite novel for a portable, but since MS and Sony aren't in that space it's not much to copy. MS or Sony could be tempted to miniaturize their current hardware into a portable that also hooks up to a TV however.
Just for precision's sake, I said that Nintendo may have injected some news to change the perception and narrative. It may have been on the right track, not just misinformation. I was just thinking that either way, it was also good misdirection to distract from their abysmal financial report.
@BiasedSonyFan That depends on a lot of factors that we just aren't aware of yet.
@BiasedSonyFan Like I said, it remains to be seen. There are many things missing from this rumour, and we just don't know what deals have been struck behind the scenes.
We don't even 100% know what it is yet, regardless of how much stock is being placed in this rumour (heavy emphasis on the rumour). It could end up being a console powered by AMD that works heavily with mobiles, and everyone was wrong here.
@aaronsullivan Well, for precision's sake from my side: I never said that it wasn't different enough from the competition, simply that I am still to this day wondering what the heck this so called special and new thing is, that is apparently SO special that they need to keep it a secret from the competition out of fear that they would want to copy it.
I simply just can't imagine that this would be it. It is nothing special or revolutionary, it will not interest third parties let alone make them super enthusiastic, and I don't see Microsoft or Sony standing in line to copy it.
Microsoft has given up on handheld or a combo there of long ago, and considering how decidedly mediocre the PS Vita is supported by Sony themselves, I am almost certain that there is not going to be another handheld from them either, so they now only have their Smart Glass/Remote Play services, and I don't see them going the way that Nintendo is now supposedly going.
Sorry for the late response, been kinda busy these last few days...
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