Digger Dan DX is a recent arrival on the 3DS eShop, which revamped and expanded upon DSiWare title Digger Dan & Kaboom. We rather liked it in our review, appreciating its blend of puzzles and mining, comparing it to the likes of Boulder Dash and Digger T. Rock.
That comparison may have been rather prescient, however, as the games developer, Four Horses, has been in touch to advice that Nintendo has notified them the game will be taken off the eShop. The issue appears to be a claim by the owners of the Boulder Dash rights; you can see the developer's explanation below.
I've received notice from Nintendo this morning that Digger Dan DX is being pulled from both NOA and NOE eShops as they have received a takedown notice from First Star Software, owners of the rights to Boulder Dash.
I've not found details of the copyrights they have registered yet so am unable to determine what rights they think it has broken, but as far as I can tell, it is likely to be gameplay elements which I am pretty sure cannot be protected by copyright.
Regardless, Nintendo are pulling it (it is currently still on the NOE eShop, not sure about NOA), and I don't have the money to fight them, so Digger Dan is no more.
At the time of writing Digger Dan DX is still available on the 3DS eShop on our UK system, though it's unclear how long this will be the case.
It seems a pity that a game may be lost over a claim like this, even though there are certainly gameplay similarities with Boulder Dash. It's an interesting topic, though, as it's questionable what constitutes a copyright issue and what represents two games within the same genre.
In any case, let us know what you think in the comments.
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Nintendo are spineless.
I thought it was yet another case of "this game can launch pirated software".
Being axed because you're a clone of another old game ? Why this one and not the million bejeweled clones on DSiware ?
This seems so unfair. The game is apparently quite good as well.
damn 😔
@RainbowGazelle How is this Nintendo's fault? The owners of the other games stated that the game be removed. Its up to the dev of this game to fight that not Nintendo. Should Nintendo be sued to "fight" for the "little guy"? Nintendo is just stuck in the middle of this. Does explain why there are no candy crush clones given the ease of porting mobile phone games to the wiiu though. King would toss out a C&D during the lot check.
Glad I bought it at launch. It is quite good.
Great game and very cheap. grab while you can! feel so sorry for the developer
@Ryu_Niiyama Can King do that considering all of their games are clones of others?
@hadrian
These are the people who tried to copyright the word "candy" we're talking about. I really wouldn't put it past them.
Thanks for the support, guys. I don't hold any grudges against Nintendo. They can't be expected to put their money/legal team in to solving these issues with other peoples' games.
Unfortunately in my case, I don't have any money to fight it. Once it is down (and I think it is already in NOA as the Miiverse page has gone), it will be gone for good.
Here's some download codes for Europe. These should work, I used one this morning:
B0M7PFNR2M68VW8K
B0M7PFNS2QTW8HH4
B0M7PFNT1322DKRK
B0M7PFY04MS928NK
B0M7PFY1485TNHJ0
And some for North America. I don't think they will work, though:
B0M7N3TF4S3TJYDK
B0M7N3TG0Q01JS5V
B0M7N3TH3PMYNTWC
B0M7N3TX5DTD40NK
B0M7N3TJ12QTVD5K
Good luck!
@hadrian No clue but you know they copyright the heck out of everything. Remember when they tried to sue for the usage of the word Saga in game titles? I'm not saying the takedown is valid, but its just unless you can prove that you didn't borrow ideas/design most indies are going to have to risk losing their work. If they did copy it gives them time to remake the game and re submit it. Not easy but better to be original than borrow and hope you don't get caught.
I just bought the game just so I could have it before it goes.
@ImDiggerDan
Just snagged the 4th one down on the NoA list. It gave me an error code at first, but I was able to "Redownload" it through the account page.
Thanks buddy! As much as it sucks that your game is getting dubiously pulled, I really appreciate this. I'll be playing it today to help break up the monotony of Hyrule Warriors
@Desrever Good stuff. Please do me a favor and see if you can find the game page on the NoA eShop. Interested to know if it has been taken down yet and that the codes still work if it has. Might have to put them on FleaBay
@ImDiggerDan I feel so bad for you. I got the game at launch and don't regret it at all.
@ everyone, get this little gem while you still can! It's probably not the right time to be making puns, but the game's dirt cheap - and excellent.
@ImDiggerDan
I tried getting the game via your codes, but they don't work. Sorry.
@John_Enigma I assume people got to them before you. What region are you in?
@ImDiggerDan
On the 3DS eShop, I only see "Digger Dan & Kaboom" for DSi ware available. But on the Desktop site, it's still available
@John_Enigma
Try going to your download history a re-download. That did the trick for me.
@ImDiggerDan Puerto Rico, one of the Commonwealths of the United States of America.
@Desrever Already did that, didn't work.
@Desrever Thanks for checking.
Just tried to grab it on the NOA desktop site... There's still a page for the game, but no purchase link. No dice
too bad the code are all used in europe
All American are used.
@ImDiggerDan US according to his profile.
@ImDiggerDan There's probably nothing you can do but these guys can help spread your story
@ImDiggerDan is a shame that you can't put this game for free.
Well this is sad news, thanks for putting up some codes, I sadly missed them. This was on my gotta play list, but shoulda grabbed it at launch
@neufel Also, Battleminer, Cube Creator, Island Survival, etc.
@ImDiggerDan
Just went to the eShop (in case @ThanosReXXX is wondering, yes, I'm back home) and bought the game (its low price tag helped a fair deal).
Dunno if my two euros actually help, but I thought it was the right thing to do. Besides, it's a gameplay style I really dig, sorry for the pun.
I just purchased this to support you - it is a real shame it is being taken down, it looks genuinely fun and I'm quite excited to try it out!
I don't really understand what copyrights this is breaking, this is such a dumb reason to pull it ):
Just tried going into the eShop so I could buy it and it's gone. I feel horrible for you sir and I hope you can fix whatever the problem is and bring it back.
Wow, First Star Software! Yay! I loved Boulderdash and their Spy Vs Spy games. Good for them if someone stole their ideas
@GrailUK
I love Boulder Dash too, but I didn't mention it in my comment not to sound rude to DD's developer. What I meant by "digging the gameplay style" is "I love anything that keeps the Boulder Dash flame alive", which Boulder Dash 3D XL kind of did (I own that, too). The more, the merrier!
Got it at launch, great little game. Sorry to see it go
What a terrible situation to be in. I feel sorry for the dev.
The game is still up on the aussie eShop, needless to say I bought it. From the 2 levels I played, money well spent.
Digger Dan wasn't very good IMO, but it's not quite Boulder Dash, he should have the right to sell his game. By this logic, SteamWorld Dig should be taken from shops too, it has as much links to Boulder Dash as Digger Dan.
Besides, First Star Software is really not making any good use of the Boulder Dash IP for years.
Ha!
I had the exact same thing happen to me years ago ... we had a Boulder Dash styled game to be released as part of our UAG (Ultimate Arcade Games) titles for the GBA ... and First Star blocked that as well.
Its on copyright grounds, based on the style/graphics ... not the gameplay.
I rejigged our game to use a BeeHive style (drops of honey, etc) and it was fine... it got released as part of UAG. This was around 10 years ago now!!
I wasn't happy, because I wrote a Boulder Dash styled game back in 1990 ... before First Star were around.
When I saw Digger Dan, I wondered if they licensed Boulder Dash ... obviously not
@Cathousemaster
The first Boulder Dash dates back to 1984.
Dang, all the NA codes are used...
@neufel
that's what i'd like to know.
This seems a bit dodgy for Nintendo. They will essentially take any game down the second someone makes a copyright claim, no matter how legitimate it is?
If this is their policy, why should indie devs trust their platform at all? Anyone can invent a copyright claim out of nowhere.
What a load of hogwash. I swear Nintendo has no guts. Sigh...... If anyone wants to play this game just get the DSiWare version of the game. It's called Digger Dan and Kaboom. Same levels, same premise, same game, just different graphics.
Just bought it! Thanks for the heads up.
@ImDiggerDan
Don't just accept this as an outcome. It's ridiculous. Demand a specific account from Nintendo of what the problem is and then just change the game to work around it.
Just picked it up regardless as I'm a sucker for buying games that are about to be taken off download stores.
What about Digger Dan & Kaboom is that gonna be OK ?
@BensonUii I don't think any advance warning was given for that was there? So nope, never got the chance (And more glad I didnt really. XD).
Problem with copyright cases is that most independent programmers will not have the resources to fight them. Otherwise, I doubt any will prosper. Look at Bust-A_MOve, I think that court rules in favor of the imitator, and with that one, it's an obvious copycat...
Great great game had it day one I am on the last section of really tough levels, it is easy to obsess over getting all the gold stars hehe.
This is very sad news I feel for the dev
What's next for four horses, are you going to continue making games?
@ImDiggerDan
Oh man I am, so, so sorry that this has happened to you. Downloaded it in May when it was the launch discount period. Haven't had much time to play it, but I'm certainly going to give it a go today. This absolutely stinks. Once again Dan I am so sorry for this situation, but I myself look forward to giving your game a fair shake! Hang in there.
Darn is it already down in America? I was about to buy it
Yeah, already down in America. Thanks for all the positive words, everyone else. Not sure what is next for Four Horses. I have zero money to invest in future games, so maybe conversions of existing games if anyone is interested in 3DS conversion work.
@ImDiggerDan do you think your other digger dan game might at risk? It's been on the eShop for years without problems.
@ImDiggerDan
I purchased the game shortly after hearing about this to show my last moment of support (it is still up on EU eShop thankfully at the time of writing), but not sure if that really helps much. Either way sorry to hear it, man. Hope it can, possibly, return one day, somehow.
@Meowpheel Not sure. That version is published by someone else and I am no longer connected to it. If you have already bought it, you keep it. If it is removed, it just stops being there for new purchases.
@Yosher Thank you for your support. It is appreciated.
@Dezzy Nintendo have done the most sensible thing. If they tried to make a judgement, it could leave them financially liable and they have a responsibility to their shareholders and loyal fans to not go bust fighting someone else's fight. Don't hate Nintendo over it. I don't.
I was actually gonna get it but I forgot to get it....now I can't get it....welp shame to see it go, there are plenty of similar games but nah let's remove the fun one! (so people say)
@ImDiggerDan well this could give you the chance to make the game all over into something new like a digging platformer or something?
Oh man, this is terrible news! I love this game and have been telling people to buy it since I bought it day one! Even harsher that it's First Star, who left Nintendo to rot after that one game on the 3DS (after which they went on to greener microtransaction-y pastures, of course).
It's really too bad that Nintendo won't do anything, but I do see their point. Really sucks though. Sorry @imdiggerdan; I don't think I was the only one rooting for your game to do well.
Like this is the only game that's similar to other games on the eshop...
@ImDiggerDan
I find this highly stupid. All games have similarities. For God's sake just look at all the Minecraft clones on 3DS and WiiU. I hope this situation comes to a conclusion where your game remains (or returns if it has already been removed) on the Eshop. Best of luck!
If Minecraft clones aren't an issue, why would this be?
Unbelievable. Reggie yet again demonstrates his utter disdain for Nintendo's fans. I can see why everyone calls him a flaming pile of garbage.
@Li_Bae
Uh, not that I have any love for Reggie, but how is he involved in any of this?
Boulder Dash devs serve legal notice to Nintendo.
Nintendo MUST obey legal takedown.
Where did your confusion stem from in all this?
@ImDiggerDan Just bought your game from the EU eshop to show support! Besides that, it really looks fun! Never played Boulder Dash, but I adored Supaplex as a kid.. A game which also shouldn't have existed going by this copyright logic.
@ImDiggerDan: This is very, very unfortunate. I recall reading somewhere where you stated that you've spent years working on this game. To have all that hard work taken down over some similarities over another game (when it's clearly not a blatant clone) is sad. I was actually toying around with picking up Digger Dan DX, but it looks like I'm too late (NA).
Best of luck to you in your future endeavors!
@Ultimategamer132 Yeah, I wonder if the reason First Star issued the take down is that Digger Dan is literally the ONLY Boulder Dash-ish game on the eShop, so maybe it was easier to spot and/or take down? I don't know, but I agree with you. It just feels like a dirty move when all those other obvious clones get to thrive.
I recall too, that Gameplay elements cannot be copyrighted.
Besides, why didn't Nintendo provide exactly was was infringed? It's all this ambiguity Nintendo has that sucks.
@ImDiggerDan I wonder, how does making a port/similar game on mobile(iOS/Android) would fare out? In any case, good luck with your future endeavors, it's sad to see cases like this when they are multiple other games that are similar and yet they are not taken down.
Is Rare being hassled over Digger T Tock.
Dont understand, if games cant be similar how was there ever first person shooters after Wolfenstein 3D, or beat em ups after Double Dragon?
Will stop now on my Rpg Maker games then!
I can almost guarantee that it is near impossible to trademark or copyright a gameplay aspect since it gameplay as are way too flexible and tend to cross into other boundaries. That said, I know Bandai Namco copyrighted the loading screen mini game which Nintendo was able find a loophole and do it with Splatoon
@Snow-Dust I don't think it is a loophole, I think the copyright/patent has expired very recently.
@ImDiggerDan or that, but I think I remember reading something about it being an online lobby wait instead.
Good luck in the future bro, I'll buy the game once I get home (AU). Hopefully it is still up
@Snow-Dust @ImDiggerDan It was specifically waiting time spent loading. So it did apply to online wait times. It also recently expired. And never was it a proper copyright. If anybody challenged it they would have lost because they didn't come up with the idea nor were they the first to utilize it.
If it's still on the EShop I'll buy it later to support the Dev.
OK, we literally just heard news of a court case where the judge specifically said you cannot copyright game mechanics and gameplay type stuff—if I recall correctly, the article was posted on this very site about a week or two ago—and the only thing this game looks to have in common with those other game examples is some general gameplay stuff. So, there's something very amiss with Nintendo threatening to not let this guy keep his game on the store. I'd file some kind of reverse legal action here for abuse of their position or whatever, both against Nintendo and the other publisher. This guy appears to be well within his rights here, and Nintendo should not be threatening him with removal of his game unless the publisher can show some legal right it has to make such a demand. This is just a couple of corporate giants playing ball with each other at the expense of the little guy, who, from where I'm standing, looks to have done nothing wrong.
Edit: Here's that article:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/06/texas_court_ruling_states_that_game_mechanics_cant_be_protected_by_copyright
Also, he doesn't necessarily need to spend money to fight them. Go to citizens advice or whatever and get some free legal advice on what your options are, and maybe see if you can even get free legal representation or whatever options are available. Don't allow them to do exactly what they're trying to do, which is to get you to give up and lose by default simply because you think you don't have any options to do otherwise. That is exactly how these big corporations get away with much of the crap they get away with on a daily basis; they basically play the odds because they've little to lose in most cases as most people give up at the drop of a hat.
Warner Bros. tried this kind of crap with me regarding my company name/logo, and in 99% of cases they'd have won just because the other side would have given up out of sheer fear, but I didn't give up. I was a stubborn git who refused to quit—you guys know what I'm like when I get my back up about something—and I also made sure I did everything myself so I didn't have to pay a stinking lawyer. In the end Warner Bros. gave in, because they knew their initial case was just chancing its luck in the first place and they also saw that I wasn't going away, and every day the case went on they were spending hundreds/thousands of dollars on douche lawyers and I was spending nothing. So, who do you imagine was going to hold out the longest in such a scenario (as "negotiations" dragged on and on, for two years)?
These corporate giants aren't untouchable, and if you don't think you've done anything wrong—and don't believe you have done something wrong just because they say you have (they're always gonna make that claim)—then stand your ground and fight for you rights (just do so very smartly and within your means and limitations).
@The__Goomba It seems to be gone, but I think you can still get the Dsiware version (which they left untouched for some bizarre reason!). Same game, just not in 3D/60fps and the levels are in a less intuitive order.
Top tier kek.
I'm amazed that company like this jumped on some poor guy. I never heard of them, but it shows that they are more greedy than Square and other big publishers.
Square could make billions on all the rip offs of Final Fantasy 8.
I guess now Bugthesda has green light to sue many studios for fps games.
Well if people can't make a game like that then nobody can make FPS anymore
@Li_Bae cough he not part of NoE cough
anyways, Nintendo might as well remove the Minecraft Clones, that Metriod clone, the other clones that copy base games. as what im saying is "why brother if you can remove this but cant remove this." i can't say if it Nintendo's fault or the company who owns the base game. but this is stupid ether way. IMHO
I just downloaded to my sons 2DS, still up on the UK Nintendo eShop, good luck! Hope this gets resolved for you @ImDiggerDan
Sorry this happened, hope it gets worked out...glad i got my 2 copies day one..Wham Bam, Thank you Dan..
Boulder Dash had the miner apparently walking through the maze, with boulders rolling down when the dirt/treasure below was cleared. There are additional elements here, but the base game play
is exactly the same, down to the rocks rolling to the side when there's no support.
Just downloaded it while I was out on the road with the small bit of wifi I could find. Can't wait to play it, @ImDiggerDan . Hopefully, Nintendo will realise you can't copyright "gameplay elements". If they're taking this seriously, I expect games like Cube Life: Island Survival and UCraft to be taken down after Mojang say they both copy the crafting system of Minecraft (which is of course a copyrighted gameplay element /s).
Hope this gets sorted, release it on PC/Steam, be a shame to lose it.
Strange Digger Dan & Kaboom is unnaffected. Will be buying a copy to show some support, had it on my wishlist anyway, looks good!
There's no concern over nintendo removing this remotely if we've already purchased it, I hope.
@ap0001 I'm 100% certain that Nintendo won't remove it from your account. If I'm wrong, they would have to refund you. It is not your fault that it is getting removed, so you should not lose out.
By the way, should the music annoy you, you can disable it in the options menu, glad you can do this.
@Gridatttack In Nintendo's defence we have no idea what documents they were handed and are legally obligated to carry them out. I feel really bad for @ImDiggerDan that this happened, but Nintendo is not really to blame for this. If this were Steam, Valve would also be forced to carry it out, same for Microsoft on the Xbox Live Marketplace, and Sony on PSN. I am curious to see where the infringement is and hope this can get sorted out soon because I really want to checkout this title.
@ImDiggerDan Sorry about your game man, if it's any help I bought the game on both my systems. Just wanted ya to know I support you and that your situation sucks!
@ap0001 Project x zone was removed, but you could redownload it again from the "redownloadable software" section in the eshop settings!
@DoctorOverbuild Thanks, I appreciate the support. For what it's worth - I don't get anything for the DSi version any more, though.
This is a real shame. Glad you warned us, managed to grab it off NOE eshop.
@ImDiggerDan Setting aside the precedent if they actually pulled a move like that, I'm hoping this doesn't force you out of the dev business for good. I enjoyed playing through Digger Dan (excepting the levels with those accursed no-clip yellow bugs) and hope you've got more in the future.
What a joke, i was meaning to pick this up too. First Star games are scumbags, there's no legit copyright claim here.
@ImDiggerDan Oh no I live in the UK so I can still get the game! (hooray for Nintendo EU being slow). So I got two copies of your 3ds games one for each system!
@DoctorOverbuild good going, I really appreciate it. I'm fairly sure it'll be available in Europe until Monday, when NoE are back from the weekend and check their email inbox.
Glad I bought it already.
Now that it's gone I kinda want it more.
@ImDiggerDan
This must be incredibly frustrating but dont be too disheartened, i've had a marvelous time playing Digger Dan and I for one will be keeping an eye on what you rustle up next. From the looks of this thread you also have the support of the community. Chin up, dust yourself off, dont give up.
@ImDiggerDan Yeah haha I guess. I truly am sorry about your game though. I am very glad I was able to buy it still! And hope you can earn some last minute monies! It's devs like you I don't mind buying two copies for, especially if the situation is Crappy!
That's a shame. I have both this and boulder dash xl on 3ds, and Digger Dan is by far the better game.
Why isn't the DSiWare version being taken down?
It's unfortunate. Only person to blame is first star for tagging it. Nintendo is just following the standard of pulling items that have claims on them. To my knowledge, all the major eshop providers would do the same. And unfortunately, there is no money to fight. This happens more than you can imagine.
This is so sick!
This is just downright unfair and to a certain degree bullying of the little guy. You don't see GPS game developers suing each other over gameplay similarities and such. I'm sorry that they're going through this.
It's gone from the North American eShop, but the DSiWare game "Digger Dan & Kaboom" is still live.
I really feel sorry for them! I hope it gets sorted out pretty quickly, and that the game returns to the e-shop!
@Webby-sama
As for all eShop games that get taken down. Heck, I wish I had friggin' Meme Run of all things for crying out loud!
So glad I bought this at launch. I haven't had the chance to play it yet due to a crazy work and family schedule the past few months, but I am definitely looking forward to finding the time soon. It looks great.
@ImDiggerDan
I'm so sorry that you're having to deal with this situation, dood, but I wish you the best of luck. If you launch any sort of campaign (like Kickstarter) to fund your efforts in fighting this or for your next project, please keep us posted.
@kirbygirl Thanks for your support, I appreciate it. I've reached out to First Star Software in the hope that this can be resolved amicably. As yet I have no idea what aspect(s) of Digger Dan DX they consider to be infringing on their copyrights.
@ImDiggerDan This is as egregious an abuse of copyright as I've ever seen. Gameplay elements generally can't be copyrighted. There are mountains upon mountains of precedence for this. There are ways to patent mechanics of games, but it can be extremely expensive and complicated to pull off, and Boulder Dash is such an old game that I would be surprised if it is or ever was protected in this way.
Have you been in contact with Nintendo? I don't know if you would even need to "fight" this in a way that would cost you money. It could just be an issue that you could appeal through Nintendo. Considering that some of their games could be construed as "clones" (Alleyway comes to mind, as it's a clone of Breakout), I find it amazing that your "clone" of a 32 year old game would be a problem for them. I mean they have that "Angry Bunnies" game on the eShop, and that thing is a blatant ripoff of Angry Birds, which is a much more recent and relevant game than Boulder Dash.
@-DEMISE- Nintendo, quite rightly, leave it for the companies involved to sort the issues out in whatever way they see fit. If Nintendo took a side and ignored the takedown request, they are leaving themselves liable for all sorts of legal problems if a court decides they were wrong.
As for how this gets resolved, I'm hoping that court can be avoided.
Glad you contacted First Star, keep us posted!
@ImDiggerDan Not to be argumentative, because I don't have experience with Nintendo, but that's not by any means the best approach, nor is it how most companies that host third-party content function. With Apple and Google, for instance, the takedown process is simply an automatic response to a takedown request that serves only to cover legal bases, not to be a permanent solution, and after that it is up to the affected party to appeal directly to the platform holder, at which point they'll start their own review process. Apple and Google have rightly recognized that if they left it solely up to the parties in dispute, the system would easily be abused by large companies looking to take advantage of an ambivalent, disinterested platform holder to bully smaller companies in ways that they know the laws don't support, but which those smaller companies would never be able to defend against. If Nintendo does it differently, than that is hypocritical, and it is sub-standard for the industry. But then it is Nintendo, and they do love doing things their own way.
Either way, there are non-profits here in the states that provide free legal help specifically for this type copyright/patent dispute, some of them even specializing in digital media. There's one in the US called newmediarights.org that I've read about but haven't used. I don't know what the situation is like there in your country, but I strongly suggest you try to find a service like this. Not just for your own financial health, but because it creates a hostile environment for all independent developers when copyright laws are abused in this way.
@Kirk I don't normally agree with the kirkster, but I do on this one. I missed your comment before posting my own, but this is basically what I said. This is bullsh*t, and the guy potentially needs some legal counsel. There are all kinds of free orgs set up for this.
The history of video games is ripe with titles tapping into the recipes of Dragon Quest, Mario Kart, Doom... and the intricacies of copyright vs common genre game mechanics have yet to be worked out? Sixteen years into the 21st century? Ouch. Sorry the developer has to deal with this.
You can't copyright "Gameplay Elements" as the developer is stating, only things that are branded, such as names, characters, etc. but even those have to be like almost identical in order to classified as infringement.
This is BS, since we don't even know what the reason for the takedown is.
@AlexSora89 Yeah, I don't know if it was the "first" Boulder Dash game (C64?) but it likely was. I never had a C64 - I had a MicroBee, which had a vastly superior Boulder Dash game (which was quite different too) - which was the one my version was based on. I think that came out in '87. All good.
I am happy to announce that I received an immediate response from First Star Software, Inc. having contacted them on Sunday, and we have already settled this issue to our mutual satisfaction. (In fact I'm thrilled with the terms.) I hope to get Digger Dan DX back on sale as soon as possible though, due to the re-submission processes with Nintendo, this may take a few months. Hopefully much less. (I don't know yet.)
More details/discussion here: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/07/digger_dan_dx_dispute_settled_will_be_back_on_sale_as_soon_as_possible
@ImDiggerDan
Way to go, buddy!
@Cathousemaster
Yes. Supaplex, Diamond Caves? All clones. BD started it all.
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