Mini Mega Drive / Genesis Systems On the Way to Cash In on Sonic's 25th Anniversary

IIRC, these ones aren't that good. There are major sound emulation issues.

Yeah, the sound is AWFUL and several of the pack-in games are homebrew trash but they are region-free, which is cool.

It's another AtGames piece of junk with funky wireless controllers, bad sound emulation coming from a weird, custom built emulator called "Firecore" that no one else seems to use or know.

And it doesn't even look like a Megadrive/Genesis. The least they could have done is a proper miniature case mold, like Nintendo did.

But some drones will probably prefer it because it can use cartridges...

How much is a used Sega Genesis, anyway? My experience is that they and their games don't sell for nearly as much as the SNES and its games. That's probably the way to go if you want something with a cartridge slot.

@Dakt Oh there's definitely input lag. The wireless controllers are just like "lol you pressed the button idk what you want me to do about it" half the time.

@ThanosReXXX If drone tech has reached the point where they're buying second-rate SEGA clone consoles, we're already in the robot apocalypse (Seriously though they DO suck, but I do see the appeal for people who want to play like two or three games and then never again; I question those people's life choices, but they do exist)

And, people will likely still say I'm being unfair and unrealistic expecting Nintendo to do something like this for a potential SNES Classic Edition:

http://www.inceptional.com/2016/07/23/heres-what-i-want-from-a-snes-classic-edition/

And, even more ridiculous, they actually think I'm being unfair in saying that the NES Classic Edition should have come with similar features and a similar amount of games too.

Sega's giving you a frikin' Genesis handheld with 80 games for fifty bucks here! So what if these systems aren't quite perfect; they're still offering you pretty great bang for your buck. And that's all I'm asking of Nintendo ultimately, a bit more bang for your buck.

But, I guess that's Nintendo fanboys for ya. lol

@Kirk You're being unfair and unrealistic expecting Nintendo to do something like this.

I mean, just look at the list of games that come preinstalled with these Genesis mini systems:

Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle
Alien Storm
Altered Beast
Arrow Flash
Bonanza Bros.
Chakan: The Forever Man
Columns
Columns III
Comix Zone
Crack Down
Decap Attack
Dr. Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine
Mya Master Mind
Skeleton Scale
ESWAT: City Under Seige
Eternal Champions
Fatal Labyrinth
Flicky
Gain Ground
Golden Axe
Golden Axe II
Golden Axe III
Jewel Master
Kid Chameleon
Phantasy Star 2
Phantasy Star 3
Ristar
Shadow Dancer: The Secret of Shinobi
Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic Spinball
T-Rex Memory Match
Yawning Triceratops
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog II
Sonic 3D Blast
Sword of Varmilion
The Ooze
Vectorman
Vectorman II
Mortal Kombat I
Mortal Kombat II
Mortal Kombat III

There are many genuine classics on there (and I even removed the 40 homebrew titles that are also included):

All the Sonic games, all the Streets of Rage games, all the Shinobi games, all the Mortal Kombat games, etc.

@Kirk I don't think you're alone. Earlier, I was wondering how we ended up with a mere TWO sports games on the NES Mini out of a pretty good crop of choices. Surely with more games we'd get a few more. And obviously having that cartridge slot is always ideal (even if the SNES introduces the problem of lots of games being way into collector premium price ranges), provided they never go the SEGA route and produce something that plays so...uh, creatively with emulation quality.

Look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETyj1UYwILM

Are any actually good? The reviews on Amazon make it seem like these are not the best quality products. Same with the redone Ataris.

@premko1 EXACTLY. I already posted that video in the previous NES Mini vs AtGames garbage, but to no avail...

No

No, it`s not good.

@Agent721 I'd say that a good place to start in order to form your own opinion on that is to watch that video in comment #11...

@premko1 Why not use the reply button to reply to him?

@Kirk the problem is the hardware is made And designed by a cheap third party. Their stuff never works well. Nintendo designed their own and it's being sourced through well respected company's.

I may pick this up as a collectors item aswell .

@World Yeah, there's no reason Nintendo couldn't give us basically the same value proposition as seen with the Sega systems, but still up to Nintendo's usual high quality standards.

And, all these people saying the quality of the Sega systems is terrible: I bet it's not actually THAT bad—for fifty buck stocking fillers. Still, I wouldn't be happy if Nintendo cut corners similar; so don't even entertain that notion, Mr. Nintendo!

@Kirk You're right. But you'll get blasted out of it for saying stuff like that around here. Nintendo don't do value for money. Just look at the price of their games on the eShop, the price of the Wii U still, the lack of sales, even a decade old Wii remote they still charge €45 for it.

@ThanosReXXX I will

@SLIGEACH_EIRE I can feel the shots striking my soft flesh already.

@Agent721 It totally suck !!! Don` buy it !!!

W A T C H T H E R E V I E W !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETyj1UYwILM

@faint And that's a good thing that Nintendo is going for a higher standard in general, but I'd still like to see it including a bit more in there for the price too. If it's not going to bother including the option to use combo wired/wireless controllers, and it's not inclined to add a slot to let people use their old NES carts—and it obviously doesn't make much sense to allow you to download additional games after the fact with a system that's entirely focused around plug & play simplicity either—I think the least it could do is add a whole lot more games in there by default. If it were exactly the same as it is now but came with 80 games (and a frikin' included power adapter in the UK version), even that would be closer to mark imo. But, I really do think that other stuff isn't too much to ask either.

"Still, it's fun to contemplate that - in a sense - the '90s console wars are being re-lived in miniaturised form."

That's kinda true. lol

Except, I was always fighting in Nintendo's corner back in the day; and here I'm actually fighting in Sega's corner (sort of).

This has been out for ages! saw them in shops last year

@Kirk 40 GAMES !! Another 40 is some homebrew crap !!!

@Kirk You could argue that the AtGames system gives you your money's worth considering the number of games on it, but is it not the whole point of wanting to play retro games to play them and experience them EXACTLY as they were, and not badly emulated?

And it is only 40 real Genesis/Megadrive games, since the rest of the 80 on there are wonky homebrew shovelware games, so it may still be cheaper even with only 40 true Sega games, but the cons weigh in a bit too much for it to actually be a really good deal for the true retro gamer.

For the casual gamer or as a stocking filler, it will probably be just fine.

And although I do understand your points and they could be nice bonuses, I can't stress enough what I've already said before a couple of times concerning this topic, and that is that the NES Mini isn't meant to be a VC channel in a box, but a replica of how we used to play games, and so the offline, cabled controllers and no expandability of the library is no more than logical.

A cartridge slot would have been a truly great add-on, so to that I will agree, but then they wouldn't have been able to make it mini, which is kind of the gimmick, if you will, of the re-imagining of this classic console.

@premko1 Even without the homebrew crap it's still an additional ten games. But, regardless, it does have 50 games more, and that's just a fact. I wouldn't want Nintendo to include homebrew stuff, because most of it is junk, but I still would like to see a lot more games in there, just because it makes total sense for a system that doesn't allow you to add any more games after the fact, and, unlike the Sega systems, also doesn't allow to use the official cartridges either. So, in Nintendo's case, it just makes even more sense to include a higher number of games out-the-box imo.

@ThanosReXXX Read above. But basically, while I agree with your general points, I still think a few more games would make sense in Nintendo's case—specifically because it lacks the additional cartridge slot that the Sega system includes.

@Kirk You're absolutely right. They hit the spot for nostalgic SEGA fans who just want to fire up some Alex Kidd after 20 years and might not even necessarily remember what the original sound was like. Plus, having the ability to play all regions' games adds a ton of value for money for a unit like this.

And I agree that having a good round number of games for the NES Mini (maybe enough to have categories?) like 50 or even 100 would've went over quite well. As it stands, it's still going to sell like crazy, but to the same people who buy these SEGA clones!

Ninny should do an original NES and SNES consoles. They will sell
more than Pokemon Go copies.

@Kirk P.S. Sorry about comment #8, by the way.
I just couldn't help myself and you kind of opened the door for me there...

@World Not quite - NES for anyone + fans and Sega only for anyone

@ThanosReXXX It's cool. I knew you were joking. lol

Although, obviously part of you deep inside wasn't.

@Kirk I'd say "hashtag" it's okay to not always agree and still be civil...

@World Yeah, it will def sell in decent numbers. I do imagine it could have been something that would have appealed to more than just the same type of people picking up the Sega systems though, if it had been realised just a little bit better, i.e. with much of the stuff Sega is offering but to the high standards we expect from Nintendo. That could have been some pretty special indeed.

@ThanosReXXX I disagree!

@premko1 Yeah, I mean "fans" in the "played Genesis in the 90s; no longer owns one" sense.

NES Mini probably has the broader appeal, yes. Even if that means it'll sell crazy units and then the SNES Mini will be the same with no updates.

@Kirk Wow yeah, can you imagine if the Mini accepted cartridges and was region free? I have a Famiclone for all "playing old games on new hardware" purposes, but I'd probably STILL buy it just because.

gosh this poop is around like years and they only jump on the Mini-NES Hype Train with that... the quality of this thing is horrible, 40 of these "80" games are homebrew poop nobody will ever play and it has not even HDMI... sure can play (some) cartridges (the truly interesting games don't really work...) or ROMs in the portable version, but that's all just poop... just buy the collection on Steam, PS3 or Xbox360 and you will have it cheaper and way better running than on this piece of junk

@ThanosReXXX By the way, regarding not being able to make is mini if it had a cartridge slot: Well, obviously the Sega console above shows that it's entirely possible to shrink the console dramatically and still let it take the classic catridges. And, funnily enough, that's actually kinda the design I was saying Nintendo should have went for (in principle), rather than just shrinking the NES down to a kind of cheap plastic keyring version of it's former self (exagerration, of course). lol

@World it will !

@World Exactly, and while most people don't get it, Nintendo is missing a trick with stuff like this. Because, like you just said, you'd buy one just because. I might buy one too for exactly the same reason; well, the SNES Classic Edition, when that comes out, at least. But, Nintendo isn't going to get me with its current offering. Not that it's particularly bad; it's just not quite enough imo. So, that's basically a lost sale that didn't have to be a lost sale. And that's why I sense that Nintendo still doesn't quite get it yet.

New Nintendo vs. Sega war !!!!!

New war not nintendo...

@Kirk I do like the aesthetics of that handheld though.
Now only if the sound wasn't so iffy. I believe they are now on their fourth or fifth iteration of a Sega handheld, and they still haven't fixed that...
Apparently it has to do with the emulation of the sound chip that seems to be somewhat difficult. Strange that emulators on PC, consoles and other handhelds like the PS Vita can manage just fine.

I'd point the finger at that wonky emulator "Firecore". Time to go for another one, and they could definitely use a better interface too.

As for the NES cartridge thing: they could have gone for that, but then they could not have made it look like an actual NES, which I personally prefer over that shapeless piece of black plastic that does nothing to remind me of my Sega Megadrive.

The NES Mini would then have to have an external connector or something if it wanted to keep the form factor and still support original cartridges. Or a cable with a cartridge connector.

Maybe Ben Heck will be able to fit one in...

@ThanosReXXX Yeah, that I am disappointed with. I mean, I could forgive these guys for getting it wrong on version 1 of the hardware, but it's a lazy and slightly taking the **** when they've still not done a better job five or so revisions down the line. Here's hoping Nintendo nails all that kind of important stuff right out the gate, both sound and visuals.

I don't actually mind the mini NES look too much, and it looks better now that I've seen footage of it, but I still think they could have gone with roughly the same design but without being an exactly mini NES replica with a faux cartridge slot and all. I do think it looks a bit like one of those cheep keyring type toys when you do it like that; or like something you might get out of a grabber machine. But, ultimately, I think it's fine in reality. It doesn't bother me too much now that I've seen the system a bit better. It's just the kind of thing I'd personally probably change/tweak slightly if I were in charge.

If I could mock up the kind of thing I have in mind I actually would, but, sadly, I'm not that good an artist. lol

@Kirk Well, then let's hope that they are indeed not the VC versions of these NES games, since not all of them came out all that well...

@ThanosReXXX Exactly.

And that's why I don't want to jump the gun here. Because, we're all jumping on Sega's back for screwing up the sound (and rightly so), but, if Nintendo only has the same quality of visuals as seen on the VC NES games, I personally think that would seriously be just as much of a crime.

So, here's hoping Nintendo actually knows better than that, and indeed, has more respect for us than that. . . .

@prog4m3r Lay off with the swearing please...

@Captain_Gonru I own these:






Fewer games, but they plug straight into the TV, actually have a mini console that looks like a Genesis and the emulation is better than the AtGames consoles. Fewer games, but they are quite good, and the build is quite sturdy too.

That Handeld Genesis seems pretty bad. It doesn't have Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Just Sonic & Knuckles

The AtGames systems are garbage, here's all what you need to know about them.

AtGames Genesis consoles - Comes bundle with 2 wired (at Wal-Mart only) or infrared wireless controllers (everywhere else), mono audio and composite video (no HDMI, component, or RGB support), 40 built-in Sega Genesis games, some had the Street Fighter II and Mega Man Wily Wars games included, some had the 3 crappy Mortal Kombat games, some just had the Ecco and Streets of Rage games, and some had the 3 crappy RPGs that were Phantasy Star 2 & 3 as well as Sword of Vermilion which you can't save, if you're unlucky you may even had one where you get two of the same version of Sonic 1, Golden Axe 3, or Altered Beast for some reasons, a cartridge slot that will be compatible with 75% of your Genesis and Mega Drive library all with off-key audio, compatible with some Genesis controllers (I say some because most of my original Genesis controllers had problem playing on this system even though they work perfect on my original Genesis system). Not compatible with Sega 32X, Sega CD and the Power Base Converter, that means no support Sega CD, SMS and 32X games. Cost range from $20-$80 depending on how many games they bundle with or where you buy it from. There are ones that had 8, 20, 40, 60, 80 or 90 built-in games. The 8 and 20 ones had all Genesis games, the 40, 60 and 80 ones had half the Genesis lineup and the other half are garbage games, the 90 ones are the same as the 80 ones but comes with an extra cartridge (which won't work on an actual Genesis or Mega Drive system as it only plays through the Firecore emulator) which had an additional 10 garbage games, some of which were already built-in the system like Cross the Road and Fish Story.

AtGames Genesis handhelds - Come bundle with the handheld and a charging cable, no AV cable (so you had to buy one separately), support SD Card (2Gb or lower) for 85% of your roms and hacks of roms, audio is better than the console versions but it's not any better than the original Genesis hardware, some games had game breaking glitch, incompatibility, or bugs in games like Mortal Kombat, Mortal Kombat 3, Ms. Pac-Man, and Super Street Fighter II. Games can't use save feature especially in Sonic 3 or all of the RPGs, doesn't support multiplayer, battery life is good though (up to 6-9 hours of gameplay still better than PS Vita and 3DS battery life). Cost range from $20-$50 depending on how many games they bundle with or where you buy it from. There are ones that had 8, 20, 40, 60, or 80 built-in games. The 8 and 20 ones had all Genesis games, the 40, 60 and 80 ones had half the Genesis lineup and the other half are garbage games.

Alternatively people could buy a copy of Animal Crossing for the Nintendo Gamecube and get the following NES games included.

Balloon Fight
Clu Clu Land
Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong Jr. Math
ExciteBike
Golf
Pinball
Tennis
Wario's Woods
Baseball
Soccer
Donkey Kong Jr.
Donkey Kong 3
Clu Clu Land D
Punch-Out!!

@Captain_Gonru They are one and the same. Great to take on holidays too, especially the Street Fighter one, for some multiplayer action.

Here you go:
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/sega-plug-and-play
Shops don't stock them anymore, so eBay is probably the best choice, or a garage sale...

They have a great classic looking menu too:

You could also try second hand shops like Game Over Video Games or Lukie Games:
http://www.gameovervideogames.com
http://www.lukiegames.com

Look for Plug and Play or Radica systems or you could just give them a call, because these things are often out of stock.

The '90s console wars are being relived?
Where's the miniaturized CDi, 3DO and Jaguar?

@Kirk This is a case of you get what you pay for. The genesis clones are of horrible quality. The sound is bad,The controllers barely work,and the biggie,half of the games aren't genesis games,but SHOVELWARE MINI-GAMES. These are the kind of gmes you would find on a clone plug-n-play! Bringing the total of actual games down to 40.

I grabbed the Sega Mega Drive/Genesis collection on steam a while back when it was on sale, has a ton of great games. Emulation is great and the set up of a old basement/reck room is awesome.

The Sega Mega Drive/Genesis collection may not be on sale on Steam anymore, but Bundlestars still has a "Pick & Mix" Genesis bundle going on, $2 for 5 games, $3.50 for 10, or $5 for 20. There are 55 games to choose from.

It ends in less than two days though.

Was originally gonna get one of these, but then I heard that sound emulation was bad, half of the games in them wouldn't even Genesis games, and that there was input lag, so I skipped. Honestly, The NES: Classic Edition sounds like a better system than this, and I prefer the Genesis over the NES (although the SNES triumphs over both of them.) Either way, I've rather buy Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection over this any day.

@Kirk Here's one review: http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1BF2KWYOODFS4

"The next biggest complaint is the comlete lack of a save feature, even if you have your games on an SD Card."

"...any game that featured a battery back-up needs to be finished in one sitting (namely RPGs, like Phantasy Star 2)"

"And even if you put in the real physical cartridge to a game that has a working battery back-up — the save feature STILL WONT WORK"

This kinda breaks the whole thing for me. I once played NHL 95 with a dead battery and was disappointed when I noticed my custom teams weren't save. At least with that I can change the battery, but this machine doesn't seem to be able to save even with a brand new battery in it.

I do, however, love that these machines exist. They don't need to be perfect. I have one "plug-and-play" Sega machine already (I guess there are six or eight games in it). But let's not make them be better than what they actually are.

..oh yeah, you wanna play rough mini Genisis?..
..say hello to my little friend!..

For those who still aren't convinced that this is utter garbage....

https://youtu.be/qUw7G5K2-Hg

When was the last time Nintendo offered consumers the most 'bang for their buck'? Nintendo is a premium content provider, for better or worse.

Sega does what... Nintendoes?

I want to see somebody do a TG16 mini HDMI system. Would be awesome!

@Alundra-1998 I wish they would do that in more games. ShenMu also had some cool games on it.

So it's not a "real" mini-genesis then?

Nintendo is doing it right, Sega needs to step up its game. It should go back to the drawing board on its mini Sega if it wants anyone to care, because it's a really bad deal. Horrible emulation, really bad controllers, and that really bad sound, jeez.

Meh saga

not really important but the mini sega is ugly

@ThanosReXXX This is what really gets me. One of the main selling points of the new NES will be that it's shaped like a cute mini NES. The TV Mega Drive unit on the other hand is simply ugly.

@Airola Well, I've never once claimed the experience of playing on these systems is better than what the NES Classic Edition will offer, just that they're offering more bang for your buck. So, what I'd like here is for Nintendo to offer a bit more bang for your buck too, and without sacrificing any of the other stuff it is already doing right.

@HammerKirby Yes, but you still get 40 actual genesis games (that's 10 more than the NES Classic Edition), and you get wireless controllers, and you get the ability to use actual Genesis carts, and you get a power adapter in the UK version, and, even though you might not think it's worth ****, you do still get another additional 40 homebrew games in there as well—and it's still actually $10 cheaper than the NES Classic Edition too.

So, you do get what you pay for; and I'm simply saying it would be nice to get a little bit more for the $60 you're paying for the NES Classic Edition. And, in the case of the total number of games, I think it makes even more sense to included more in the NES Classic Edition by default because there's absolutely zero way to add more after the fact. With the Genesis you have access to basically the entire games library because of that cartridge slot on the top, so the number of games that come bundled isn't as big of a factor since you can technically add many more after the fact, although you still get more in the box regardless.

Kudos for allowing for cartridge support, but from reading these comments this is just another piece of trash. Consumers interested in a retro clone system would be much better off with the Retro Duo (plus adaptor for Genesis support) or RetroN 5.

@Kirk Getting 40 actual Genesis games doesn't matter much if the emulation and sound is c*** like these people are saying.

@Kirk I'd leave the homebrew games out of the pros list if I were you: they're of the "find what's missing" and "whack a mole" type, so they are more like individual versions of all the small games that you will find in Wario Ware. Nothing that is worthy to be called a full blown game on its own accord.

The video in comment nr #70 is actually a good watch. It is critical and condemning, but he does make some very good points.

@Kirk and if you want to know about and form your own informed opinion on these 40 homebrew games included, then fast forward this video to just after the 3 minute mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETyj1UYwILM
Nearly all of the games are reviewed, so you'll get a good idea of what's on offer.

@Kirk "So what if these systems aren't quite perfect; they're still offering you pretty great bang for your buck. And that's all I'm asking of Nintendo ultimately, a bit more bang for your buck.

But, I guess that's Nintendo fanboys for ya. lol"

These devices have bad emulator and input issues, so no, not more value here. I wouldn't pay 10 dollars for these SEGA "consoles".

@BornInNorway81

The NES Classic Edition lets you play 30 official NES games on your TV, tethered to the console (even if you use the optional Classic Controllers), and with save states. And that's it, nothing more.

The Genesis Classic Console let's you play 40 official Genesis games plus 40 homebrew games, as well as all your old Genesis carts too, with 2 bundled wireless controllers (and there's also the option to use normal wired Genesis controllers too via the included standard controller ports), and it even comes with a power adapter in the UK (shocker), and for 10 bucks less than the NES Classic Edition. And, if you get the handheld version—it's a frikin' fully-fledged handheld Genesis!

That's simply more value for your money. The dodgy quality of the Genesis Classic Edition's sound doesn't mean you're getting less value; it simply means the quality isn't as good—potentially (because there's still a chance these NES games may in fact use the same visual setup as current NES VC games, and that would be just as below par as the substandard sound on the Genesis Classic Edition as far as I'm concerned).

What you are getting with the Genesis Classic Console, particularly the actual handheld console, is clearly more bang for your buck than what Nintendo is offering with the NES Classic Edition. Anyone that isn't a total Nintendo fanboy can see this.

@ThanosReXXX Yes, but think of the typical throwaway mobile games that many casuals enjoy these days. . . .

These homebrew games might be total **** to more core gamers like us, but to the casuals and moms who are actually gonna pick up systems like the Genesis Class Game Console, it's another 40 free games.

All they will see is more bang for their buck; and that's still ultimately how I see it too, even if the 40 homebrew games are crap.

Nintendo could still add in quite a few mores games . . . and also still actually choose good ones.

Edit: Also, it's interesting to note that the guy in the video says he got his system for only $35.

Edit 2: And, funnily enough, I can't really tell the difference between the sound quality of the Genesis Classic Games Console and the original Genesis in that video, so it really can't be quite as bad as everyone is going on about. Not perfect, sure; but the way people were talking, I half thought it was going to be almost totally garbles or something.

The one thing I would say about the NES Classic Edition is that there really isn't a single dud in the list of games Nintendo has included, imo, and that's commendable.

Double or triple that number though, and basically get all the best NES games possible on there, so people don't have to even think about all the other great games that aren't bundled (or fear another $60 NES Classic Edition [2] appearing in the near future)—maybe you could think of it like the ultimate NES: Top 100 Games Classic Edition—and then we'd be onto something real special.

These are the kinds of things that go through my mind—making it something truly magical.

Dang it; now I really want Nintendo to do a proper SNES: Top 100 Game Classic Edition, with all the other features I mentioned above too (ability to use old SNES carts, dual-function wired/wireless controllers, included power adapter in the UK)! But, I don't want the price to be hiked up just because there's a few more features; I still think fifty pounds in the UK is the right price to target.

http://www.inceptional.com/2016/07/23/heres-what-i-want-from-a-snes-classic-edition/ (this is what I'm thinking)

I'm not sure anyone fully understands how much I want this. lol

@Kirk Well, if it's "more bang" that I will never play because it's utter crap, then it feels more like a slowly deflating balloon than a bang. It is probably indeed for people that don't even know the difference, but why would these people even buy a retro console clone in the first place? Because they are too cheap to buy their kid an actual console? Hell if I know, but I do know that these people are not the target audience: that's people that actually DO know about the Genesis/Megadrive and want to relive that time.

I mean all these puzzle games, chess and so on are no fun and don't constitute what games are supposed to be. And they pale in comparison to the actual Sega games that are on there, so they look even worse than they already are in comparison.

Therefore the added value is negligible. Have you actually watched the games in the videos I linked to? I'm truly curious to hear if you find any of these games even remotely interesting and worthy of being placed side to side with real Sega classics.

@ThanosReXXX That's why it's all back and forth: These devices are basically geared toward casuals and parents who are looking for cheap stocking fillers, so the quality isn't particularly important. But, at the same time, a lot of people picking them up will also be collectors or fans who grew up with these systems and maybe actually expect pretty high quality—particularly the people picking up the NES Classic Edition, I'd say. So, I'd still want a generally high quality all-round. Now, Sega's system is done and dusted; it is what it is. But, I do expect Nintendo to get it right, and not just in terms of quality but also the overall value-proposition. And, ideally, I'd still want more games and basically all of those other features I mentioned above. It just makes good business sense to realise these things about the best you possibly can imo.

Again, I'd love to see Nintendo do a SNES Classic Edition in the future, and hopefully someone at Nintendo sees this just in passing and mentions it to a higher up at the company:

http://www.inceptional.com/2016/07/23/heres-what-i-want-from-a-snes-classic-edition/

Because, that would be a near perfect realisation of this kind of hardware/software concept imo, and something I would very seriously consider purchasing (even as genuinely skint as I am).

PS. No, I don't really find any of those non-official games in the Genesis Classic Games Console appealing personally, not in the slightest, and I definitely wouldn't included any of them if I was in charge of this thing. But, I would include more than 30 official games for sure. In fact, I'd maybe go for that magic 100 number as mentioned in my article. And, to be clear, it really doesn't add anything to Nintendo's costs to include 30 or 300 of these digital copies of ancient games, and I don't care how much they cost individually/accumulatively on VC either—I just think it would be awesome to really realise this idea to basically its full and glorious potential.

Just imagine if a SNES: Top 100 Games Classic Edition actually came with this list of titles:

http://retro-sanctuary.com/Top-100-SNES-Games-Page-1.html

I mean, who wouldn't instantly jump on that?

I have had these. It plays 40 megadrive games really badly and has no save states. Good luck playing Pantasy Star in one sitting.

The Nes has 30 genuine classics. Games that still play well today. This has about 10 and then a bunch of games that were not great when new.

This cannot be compared to the nes. Nintendo is taking charge and its an official product. AT Games have simply licensed the SEGA name and just churned out this. It wont be a collectors item as some have said. It is basically worthless. All these games are available on Steam in much better condition.

@Antray1984 I do largely agree with you about all the negatives, but there's def more than 10 great games on the list of titles available on the Sega Genesis Classic Games Console:

Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle
Alien Storm
Altered Beast
Arrow Flash
Bonanza Bros.
Chakan: The Forever Man
Columns
Columns III
Comix Zone
Crack Down
Decap Attack
Dr. Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine
ESWAT: City Under Seige
Eternal Champions
Flicky
Gain Ground
Golden Axe
Golden Axe II
Golden Axe III
Jewel Master
Kid Chameleon
Phantasy Star 2
Phantasy Star 3
Ristar
Shadow Dancer: The Secret of Shinobi
Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic Spinball
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog II
Sonic 3D Blast
Streets Of Rage 1
Streets Of Rage 2
Streets Of Rage 3
Sword of Varmilion
The Ooze
Vectorman
Vectorman II
Mortal Kombat I
Mortal Kombat II
Mortal Kombat III

In fact, I'd say almost all of the official games on the list are pretty great. Sure, the no save feature is a major problem in a few cases, but overall it's actually a pretty great little list of titles imo.

I would, however, also say that basically every single game on the NES Classic Edition is a worthy addition. So, I'm def not faulting Nintendo for the games it did provide. I just wish there were more games in there by default. I mean, imagine if it were actually called the NES: Top 100 Games Classic Edition and we got all these games bundled on the system:

http://retro-sanctuary.com/Top-100-NES-Games-Page-1.html

Now that would be something truly special indeed. And, now the lack of an option to use proper NES carts really wouldn't be much of an issue at all either.

@Kirk I think 10 more games would be kinda nice. But I'm glad it doesn't come with wireless controllers. Most good wireless controllers cost $50. I doubt Nintendo could pull that quality off in a $60 package,and I as I said Sega's are awful.

@HammerKirby I think Nintendo could manage it if it REALLY wanted.

But, I'd have a major issue if it meant going above the £50 in the UK too, so it might not be entirely feasible to give me exactly what I want. I couldn't say with 100% certainty either way.

At the very least, I don't see any real issue (beyond corporate greed) with giving us the exact same system but with the Top 100 games installed rather than just 30, and that would mean being able to plug physcial carts would be basically unnecessary anyway. I could also live with wired controllers (as long as they extend the wires much further, to an actual practical length). But, add in a frikin' power adapter in the UK version. lol

@Kirk I don't get it, Mya Master Mind, Skeleton Scale, T-Rex Memory Match, and Yawning Triceratops were not even Sega Genesis / Mega Drive games. You rather list those over the Streets of Rage and Ecco the Dolphin games which were actual Genesis games on that system (that you did not list)?

@Kirk 100 games is wishful thinking. Nintendo's got games to sell on VC too y'know.

@HammerKirby I can but dream of an ideal.

@retro_player_22 I just copied and pasted the list as I found it on the website, and the list actually varies from one model of the console to another. If I missed any I wouldn't take that to mean anything. I'll go remove the non-ones and add the real-ones, just for you. But, basically, it's a pretty great list of official games imo.

@Kirk That's the thing with articles and product advertisement, most are misleading sometimes that they mistakenly list things incorrectly. I do realize that some models does had different lineup of games. The AtGames Sega Genesis model I bought a few years ago had different titles which lack the Mortal Kombat and Phantasy Star games. I assume that with these newer models, AtGames probably found a way to save progress now since they added the Phantasy Star and Sword of Vermilion games on there. It would sucks if they can't save cause then it would make playing those games kinda pointless for this system.

I might pick up the Sega Reto handheld. The fact you can put any rom on there is sweet.

As for the console, 50Hz and Composite Cable = Why bother? <_<

@retro_player_22 Yeah, it would def be a strange choice including huge RPGs on there if there's not save states.