The Club Nintendo replacement - My Nintendo - hasn't launched in the West as yet, mainly due to the fact we're waiting for the accompanying launch of Miitomo to make its way out of Japan. It's going to happen this month, but the vagaries of mobile app releases mean it could be tomorrow, 31st March or anything in between; there may not necessarily be much advance warning, either, and the official website says (at the time of writing) it's 'launching soon'.
That Japanese release, however, has given us a first look into the 'economy' of My Nintendo, in terms of how much we need to give in order to start getting hold of some goodies. It's worth pointing out that we're doing this initial look based on the Japanese details, but we will be re-assessing once the loyalty service kicks in for Western gamers.
First up, let's look again at a table we shared earlier, which shows the 'missions' we must undertake to win Platinum coins / points (through activities) and Gold coins / points (buying downloads).
Of course, those Gold missions are in Yen, so below is a breakdown (roughly) into US dollars but, remember, the values may shift in the localised promotion.
- 500-1000 Yen ($4.49 to $9) = 10 Gold Coins
- 1001-2000 Yen ($9 to $18) = 20 Gold Coins
- 2001-3000 Yen ($18 to $27) = 30 Gold Coins
- 3001-4000 Yen ($27 to $36) = 40 Gold Coins
- 4001-5000 Yen ($36 to $45) = 50 Gold Coins
- 5001-6000 Yen ($45 to $54) = 60 Gold Coins
- 6001-7000 Yen ($54 to $63) = 70 Gold Coins
- 7001+ Yen ($63 +) = 80 Gold Coins
There'll be some localisation tweaks here, likely bringing the numbers down, as a full-priced Wii U download in the US is typically $59.99. It seems a reasonable bet, then, that a full retail download on Wii U will earn 80 gold coins, with discounted retail titles and then download-only games coming in the lower brackets.
Moving on to Platinum points, these will evolve and change dynamically (in some cases) depending on applicable apps and services. So right now they're related to Nintendo Account setup and Miitomo, both of which are the first practical ways to accumulate these coins. What we have are easy-to-earn and hefty one-off awards combined with smaller bonuses for logging in and interacting with the eShop, Miiverse and Miitomo on a daily or weekly basis. For those looking for easy early wins then setting up and linking a Nintendo Account, Miitomo and Twitter / Facebook accounts can serve up a rapid 400 coins; a face-to-face friend add in Miitomo is another 100.
Let's take those Platinum coins and assume, with relatively little effort, we have a quickfire 500 points. What does that get us in the Japanese iteration of the loyalty programme? Well, below are the rewards available for that many coins (the full list of rewards is right here).
Miitomo
- Mario Suit – 250 Platinum Points – can be redeemed until 5/1
- 1 game ticket – 85 Platinum Points – can be redeemed 5 times until 4/1
- 5 game tickets – 420 Platinum Points – can be redeemed 2 times until 4/1
- 10 game tickets – 250 Platinum Points – can be redeemed 1 time
Discounts
- 20% off Dr. Luigi (Wii U) – 230 Platinum Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 7/1
3DS Themes
- My Nintendo Theme 1: Mario – 200 Platinum Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 5/1
- My Nintendo Theme 2: Donkey Kong – 200 Platinum Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 5/1
That's only a little over half of the original Platinum list, including no full games at all. In Japan you need to rack up 1000 points to get My Nintendo Picross – The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess or DS title WarioWare: Touched!, both as 3DS downloads and available until 1st October and 1st July, respectively. Going back to the chart above, then, we'll need to link more accounts into our Nintendo Account for another combined 30 coins, then ensure we hop onto Miiverse and the eShop for 30 weekly points each. To get to 1000 within a month, though, the requirement is to tackle some of the daily Miitomo challenges. They're pretty simple and only worth 5-10 coins a pop, but necessary to get to 1000 more promptly - or a bit less to 'buy' discounts on a few retail downloads.
In the first few days of My Nintendo, in Japan at least, early Platinum coins can either be saved towards bigger prizes like those exclusive 3DS game downloads, or immediately splurged on 3DS themes or Miitomo extras. With time limits, though, it'll be a tough ask to get everything. Connecting Miitomo and My Account to various social networks will help, as will logging into the eShop and Miiverse regularly, but the key could be hitting daily targets in Miitomo.
What Nintendo is doing in Japan is locking a lot of the rewards (many of which are discounts) behind gold coins, necessitating plenty of spending on the eShop. Below are the gold coin rewards to kick the programme off in Nintendo's homeland.
Discounts
- 40% off Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D (3DS) – 130 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 7/1
- 40% off Ultimate NES Remix (3DS) – 105 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 7/1
- 50% off Mario and Donkey Kong: Minis on the Move (3DS) – 50 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 7/1
- 40% off New Super Mario Bros. U (Wii U) – 160 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 7/1
- 50% off Metroid: Other M (Wii U) – 90 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 7/1
- 50% off Super Mario Galaxy (Wii U) – 90 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 7/1
Games
- Super Mario 64 (Wii U) – 120 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 8/1
- New Super Luigi U (Wii U) – 240 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 8/1
- Pikmin 3 DLC: Battle Enemies! Stages 7-10 (Wii U) – 30 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 8/1
- Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins (3DS) – 50 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 7/1
- Donkey Kong Country Returns (Wii U) – 320 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 7/1
- Metroid Fusion (Wii U) – 85 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 8/1
- Super Punch-Out!! (Wii U) – 100 Gold Points – can be redeemed 1 time until 8/1
Working on an assumption that a full-priced Wii U retail game equates to 80 gold coins, some of these deals are reasonable. The Discounts seem somewhat less exciting, but nevertheless do provide a chance to grab cheaper games or those on your wishlist (Metroid: Other M isn't out as a download yet in the West). As for the full game and DLC downloads, a $60 eShop spend nearly gets you Metroid Fusion for free, and spending about $20 on something could be enough for the Pikmin 3 DLC pack. At the other end of the scale the most expensive option (Donkey Kong Country Returns, a Wii download on Wii U that normally costs $20) would be available if you splash out on about four retail games, or $240 in the US. New Super Luigi U is better value at 240 gold coins, but you need a copy of New Super Mario Bros. U to run it.
In terms of these Gold coins, then, we're looking at a proposition that won't mean regular goodies for many, and it's a pity that DLC and 3DS HOME Theme purchases don't count in the promotion. We don't all buy every retail game as a download, clearly, nor do we all rack up significant eShop expenditure. For those spending on both Wii U and 3DS there's obviously extra benefit, and with the rewards being download-only there's certainly a push by Nintendo to get more of us into the mindset of downloading more content. If all you do on the eShop is buy occasional Nindie games, however, it's a long path to rewards.
Conclusion
So, what to think of the My Nintendo loyalty economy so far, based on the details out of Japan? Well, it's important to remember that it is a loyalty programme and successor to Club Nintendo, so it's never going to throw a load of freebies at us for nothing. By splitting the currency types Nintendo is doing a mix of rewarding engagement with apps and services (Platinum) with goodies for those that spend a lot of money on the eShop (Gold). The initial Japanese list is a fairly even split with 12 Platinum rewards and 13 Gold, though the Gold coins have the majority of the discounts and downloadable game rewards. The focus with Platinum currency, at least early on, is on more 'unique' download content and My Nintendo exclusives.
The Platinum currency strikes us as being the more generous so far, with the opening days and weeks giving users plenty of opportunities to accumulate enough coins to pick between the top options. The Gold is the more difficult to judge, as you need to rack up a lot of eShop purchases for modest rewards, with the discounts perhaps giving more bang for buck in terms of monetary value (especially with high retail prices on the download store). The limited retail slate from Nintendo, though, and the continued desire some have for physical copies and special editions, leave the targets tougher to hit. You'd have to buy a lot of Nindie games before getting a reward - but, again, that's the point of a loyalty programme.
In summary it seems like a solid initial offering for My Nintendo. There's perhaps more potential and enticement in the Platinum currency, though it'll be interesting to see how values and rewards differ when the programme launches in North America and Europe.
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As someone who only buys Indies as digital downloads I can't see this program helping me very much. I wish they would include some kind of code like they used to do with Club Nintendo because I imagine the majority of their business comes from the retail version of their games. Seems odd to not have some kind of reward for those of us that prefer discs.
I'll just wait for the Western release details.
No physical items. And the "missions" are not quite the achievement system I wanted. Sigh... Well it'll still be fun in its own way, I guess
What a freakin' mess.
Anybody remember all of those - "glad we won't have to do surveys any more" - comments?
And I've always hated the Xbox conversion rate - 80 points was $1, or $10, or something. This isn't helping. What was wrong with the DDP? Too simple? It's like Nintendo is expanding upon it's "blocks" usage on the 3DS and extrapolating it into real money.
Is there anything good and/or simple to any of this? NNID account, Nintendo Account, My Nintendo Account. Just freakin' pick one already.
I'm as cheap of an SOB as anybody, I get free rentals from Redbox and my library, and the occasional $1 monthly Gamefly rental, but I am seriously considering just ignoring all of this. Well I do already have NNID, and Nintendo Account. I may have pre-registered for Miitomo, I forget, but when you need a 2 page long spreadsheet to explain your loyalty program YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
Yeah, if you can only get points from digital downloads then this will just screw physical collector fans over big-time in terms of rewards. Doesn't seem like there are physical rewards either.. are there? Meh...
Also, adding this to the rather poor customer service I experienced from Nintendo today (broken Wii U GamePad screen, sent them an e-mail, got a standard e-mail back, I mail them again, I get the EXACT SAME standard e-mail back, forcing me to make a call.. and calling Nintendo is NOT free in Europe), I'm just really, extremely sour with Nintendo at this moment. Like, if I wasn't such a Nintendo fan to begin with, I would have sworn right here and now never to purchase a Nintendo product ever again.
i hope it's alot different for the rest of us. I hate that it seems to be download only. I don't download alot because we have a limit on how much we can download a month. so this doesn't work for me
This is fairly disappointing so far. Lack of gold points for buying physical items is the biggest omission in this reward system, and is a big step back from the old Club Nintendo.
Plus, the missions don't look fun to compete. Instead of missions to achieve things in games, we're getting missions to connect to Facebook or do something minor each day. I'm hoping that this system can incorporate actual games in the future and have fun missions such as defeating a boss, but I'm doubtful.
Getting towards worst case scenario for me. I don't download much at all (certainly not often enough for the points to not have expired) and always try to choose physical. But having said, that I appreciate that nintendo is at least trying to run a rewards scheme (even if it's not a very good one.)
I think people are overreacting about gold coins. Gold coins come from digital purchases and are ONLY used to obtain discounts and downloads for digital games. If you don't want to go digital, the prizes aren't what you want anyways so you're not missing out. No gold rewards are exclusive prizes. Meanwhile platinum coins so far can be obtained without spending a dime, and these are just the first batch of "achievements" - we could start seeing these in regular games, ya never know. Even if you don't, Miitomo is free, so it's not like you have to spend anything for the better rewards.
@crimsontadpoles if you need rewards for playing through games you purchase, why are you even buying them?
I think they'll add physical purchases at some point soon. I'm sure they can create some hype behind a release if they can say "This is the first release to include a card with a code to register for My Nintendo coins! After this, all future releases will include a code too!"
This sucks! I would much rather have Club Nintendo.
Nintendo is getting less and less of my time and money, and that pains me deeply.
I just want to play great Nintendo games. I dont use Miiverse, Twiiter, Facebook and will not be putting any Nintendo apps on my phone.
All that matters is the games, could care less about the rest.
Disappointing or not, it's still a complimentary system that Nintendo is providing out of generosity. I think it's good for what it wants to accomplish
This new program addresses all the issues everyone had with the old Club Nintendo.
1) The issue of entering codes and doing surveys are gone!
2) The Japanese hated their physical prizes, NA hated their physical prizes (well I liked them), EU hated their physical prizes, AUS hated their physical prizes... Well it's all gone, MOST SHOULD BE HAPPY!!
3) The lack of digital games and digital content was a huge issue with Club Nintendo... So Nintendo made the new program all digital.
4)The users of Club Nintendo hated the coupon that were sent out in NA for $5-$15 off of new physical games. So Nintendo killed that too.
There is nothing wrong with tying digital purchases to gold coins to digital game rewards.
If you don't want digital games, you don't have to deal with the digital games rewards.
I mean the new rewards program isn't as good as Microsoft giving you $.25 and a digital card for your birthday.
It's not as good as Sony having a PS loyalty promotion on PSN (twice a year) where you spend $100 and get $15 back in credit or $150 and get $25 back in credit.
I bet everyone would be happy if Nintendo scrapped this program and adopted Sony or Microsoft's rewards program.
This new account system, is definitely not for me. I rarely buy digital games. So, I think the gold points would be to hard to get for me. And I am not fond of ios apps or games. So, I'm not interested in Miitomo. And I don't like systems that try to get you to sign in for consistently for rewards. So, Platinum points are out for me too. I can't say I'm all that disappointed. I wasn't expecting much. But, I will not be joining now. Like I said in the beginning, this is just not for me.
@Jokaio
Their apps are also Android compatible.
Miimoto launched on Android at the same.
I'm slightly disappointed at how hard it is to get the gold points. If you compare the systems, you're really not spending any more money for free games than Club Nintendo, but there you could register retail purchases and get physical rewards. I only by Virtual Console and DLC digital, so I'll never get enough points to get anything good. (I only buy retail download if it's way cheaper like the Mega Man Legacy Collection.)
So what? They trashed the free games they use to give away in CN for this? The upside are the discounts on the new bigger name stuff, but no free VC? Also half the stuff they're selling at a discount now is the same crap they've been pushing for 3-4 years omg. Other M is the only new listing and we all know how people feel about that game.
@Zelda_Rocks
Well to be fair Nintendo received tons of backlash over the physical rewards it offered through Club Nintendo.
Every time they added something it created a massive backlash that the gaming media reported on.
Many of those who were upset took to Twitter and Facebook to air their hate.
Club Nintendo in every territory was well hated.
It didn't help they had to enter codes to get coins.
@Dankykong
There are free VC games listed and free DLC too.
@Xenocity
It's not about the format so much. (Partly because I don't have a smart phone. Haha!) It's more about apps, and mobile games themselves. I don't think all of them are bad. I'm just not fond of them. Thanks for the info though!
@Jokaio
Well then you miss out.
So far all the buzz over Miimoto is good.
I for one will probably make a killing on this new scheme.
I can see rewards for physical games being problematic in the short term. The Wii U has been out for so long, and there's no way to distinguish between recently purchased disks and those picked up years ago. Moreover, current games do not come with a Club Nintendo registration code flyer like the Wii games. They may not be set up with handle UPC codes.
Keeping everything digital-only makes it possible to get started with a loyalty program right away. Nintendo knows when you've made a purchase and which account to associate with that purchase, all without typing in codes. Hopefully we'll be able to register physical games in the future, when they start getting shipped with the right registration infrastructure, such as My Nintendo QR codes.
@Xenocity
It's only missing out if I actually got something out of it. Which as I said before, I don't think I would. But, hey. If you think you'll like it, I have no beef with you.
One thing they have apparently missed working on is having games still tied to a console and not an account. My consoles didnt break yet but I dont like the idea of losing all games.
Some the things that earns you points in there makes me think of online pyramidal schemes xD....
@ThomasBW84
Has there been any mention if this will be retroactive from when Club Nintendo closed?
Most reward programs reward loyal customers but if it is not retroactive(which would be incredibly easy as it is digital purchases) it's kind of a slap in the face of those that bought their products inbetween the closure of the old program and the opening of the next.
It has the feeling of them trying to make up for lost marketing all at once: when it's so overt that they're trying to get you to constantly talk about Nintendo, it ceases being marketing and becomes a reason to block someone.
At any rate they better stop putting the same crap up as before over and over. There's enough WiiU & 3DS VC at this point to warrant other releases. Even the big titles with physical releases need to be cycled through faster or differently. They'll probably just do WiiU versions of the same exact Wii stuff they had before most of the time anyway.
Eshop games are still rewards so I'm happy.
More from Nintendo to pay little to no attention to!
@SetupDisk There's not a shot in hell they'll do any acknowledgement of stuff you bought in between the 2 programs. If they did they'd have to dump out massive rewards on day 1 to make up for the time you and others waited and they'd hate that.
Am I the only one who feels like this new loyalty program is the exact same thing as the old one, but instead of a focus on physical games and entering code in to get points, it works only on digital games. I never buy digital games except for virtual console stuff, so this new loyalty program is very disappointing. If they want to reward real loyalty then I should be rewarded for my 28 years of being a Nintendo fan
Maybe all the code trading people did before ruined it
I remember when visiting the Nintendo website gave you 5 star points per day. I also remember when all of my points disappeared at once because I didn't read the fine print in an email they had sent me 6 months earlier.
I won't know how useful this will be to me until I've had it for a while...
Just to be clear we get 1 POINT for pre-registering to be part of miitomo?
I actually thought that the golden rewards would stack up, like when you buy a €45 game, you get 10 + 20+30 +40 + 50 coins. It's always nice to get free stuff, but since I rarely buy a full priced game in the eShop, this isn't really going to help me.
What a forgettable program. Seriously, I will give this no thought tomorrow morning.
@SetupDisk I don't think it's retrospective, no. I'm not 100% on that, but I believe it starts from the launch of the programme and Miitomo.
So it's very similar to Xbox rewards, just as I predicted. The big difference seems to be that with My Nintendo I could actually get some free stuff (I could get a free theme right now if I wanted) while I haven't gotten anything yet in my Xbox rewards even with spending a lot of money on digital stuff.
@Andrzej777 You don't lose all your games. You just need to call Nintendo and they will transfer your games to the new console.
@DarthNocturnal I will agree that there has to be loyalty for retail. But I'm confident that eventually, Nintendo will patch it for physical.
I mean, if Nintendo is going digital, then why are we still having physical copies.
Can I just buy the darn Zelda Picross game? My wife would enjoy it
I like the new program because I mostly buy digital. I enjoy my wii u feeling like an iPad with many games available at a finger touch.
(Only amiibo pack ins get physical release Insta buy from me.)
That said I agree with @SetupDesk because I am waiting on this loyalty program to buy twilight princess HD and hyrule Warriors or xenoblade chronicles x
Well since the alternative is I get nothing for my purchases, I will go with getting something. Even if that something is not ideal. Keep in mind that this wasn't designed specifically for the Wii U/N3DS but for whatever the NX will be and it appears they want to be much more digital with it.
I am however a little surprised that they have no way for you to get "credit" for shoveling out $$$ for Amiibo built in. But then, that would be a system very easily abused I guess.
Where's the swag? I don't need more games, I need more stuff to throw in my closet.
@DefHalan
Good news, I read some disturbing articles in the past, with people complaining about nintendo creating unnecessary problems. Hope I will never get into the situation. Still, a more flexible account system would be very welcome
@Andrzej777 There were some problems near launch but more recent stories have had a much easier time with Nintendo. Still not as simple as Xbox but nothing too bad.
Better than nothing, I guess. It seems complicated, but maybe that's because it's a lot of new info all at once. I hope they add the ability to get credit for retail purchases and interactivity bonuses for games other than mobile and eShop.
Well, gold coins aren't that attractive since I can buy those rewards anyway. The exclusive Miitomo platinum coin games are more interesting.
Anyone know how redemption of rewards works? Are the discounts and "free" games tied to the Nintendo Account/My Nintendo/NNID that has collected the coins or are they transferable in some way, by code, for example?
This is too complicated. I'm with you @rjejr concerning the complexity of NNID/My Nintendo/Nintendo Account, gold coins, platinum coins - too many different strands of accounts for connecting with a single company. It's not that it's difficult to understand, it's just irritatingly encumbered. Hopefully will become simpler with NX, but until then, the princess is still in another castle, hey, Nintendo!
I know it has been mention already, but the lack of physical rewards is disappointing. One of my favorites pieces in my collection is the figurine with all of the Super Mario characters on them.
This will not keep me from participating.
This is freaking awesome to me. Look at platinum points:
35 daily/245 weekly from Miitomo (easy if we all work together) +
60 weekly from Miiverse/eShop
So 305 weekly or 1220 monthly. That's pretty great and will easily earn you rewards. That being said, I'm not too interested in what's on offer for platinum points, but it may change when this hits NA. I'm not buying a thing till it launches, so hopefully it's out before Hyrule Warriors Legends!
So people who buy physical instead of digital games aren't loyal? Because that's what this new "loyalty" system is suggesting.
@DoctorOverbuild Yup. I knew that they would do that to get people to sign up to the service thinking that they'll get a head start over everyone else. Wow, I'm so jealous of the people who got 1 extra point
Also, where's Flipnote Studio 3D -_-
@DarthNocturnal
Amazon.com or Bestbuy Gamers Plan have given better loyalty plans than Nintendo. They give 20% back on physical game purchases. This is $12 on a $60 game. So in the example above 1 retail game = Mario 64 and $2 back. Versus buying 1.5 digital games to get Mario 64 for free. Also, you aren't locked into buying whatever Nintendo puts you in the program. You get $12 back even if you don't want to buy something else.
Honestly I don't see myself signing up for this.
@seb5049
My guess is the NX is a digital only platform and they didn't feel like adding temporary physical rewards for the outgoing platforms.
I do look forward to the future Q&A though when someone asks Nintendo about physical rewards. Then Nintendo can play their usual clueless card. What people want rewards on physical purchases? We'll look into that to see if there is a market for that. Lol.
@seb5049 Like at the time it sounded great but 1 Point?! That's absolute rubbish I don't think anyone could defend it, they made it seem like you could get something with it but not even close!!!
I think the Platinum points for preregistering to Miitomo will be 100, not 1. Come on guys, how'd it be just 1?
@SuperCharlie78
The only thing you can buy is 1 Miimoto game ticket. Doesn't seem very significant to me. Actually all the platinum items seem worthless to me. 20% discount on a game? That's not exactly a great sale let alone a prize. Themes are cool I guess if that's your thing.
I'm playing Miitomo at the moment and I'm absolutely loving it. It looks great on the Nvidia Shield Tablet and I've already dropped a few bucks on Miitomo coins. I knew I was going to like it, but not this much.
No rewards for physical games = not interested. Thanks to Nintendo's consoles having a pathetic amount of memory space built in, there's a limit on how many digital purchases they can support before you need to buy a hard drive. So this is all less of a deal than it seems. Until Nintendo seriously ups their hard drive space keeping this rewards system digital only is a terrible idea.
If there's nothing in place for physical purchases (and DLC doesn't count towards gold coins) then I doubt I'll get many in the way of gold ones. I only buy digital games if that is the only way to get them, which is why I put down money for the Limited Edition of Project Zero V, and the First Print Edition of Star Fox Zero for Star Fox Guard.
All I can say is...no.
Ok, not to be a jerk but the people who are saying it's one point for preregistering have no idea what they're talking about. It's 200 points.
This program won't be very useful to me. I buy digital only as a last resource if I can't find the game, and I loved Club Nintendo's physical rewards.
Well, I hope that those that buy digital do enjoy this program.
There was a version of Super Luigi U that didn't require New Super Mario Bros U. Are we sure the download isn't that version?
Maybe they will start giving out rewards for physical rewards when the NX launches due to the Wii U probably not having enough new games coming out to warrant it and technically the same with 3ds. Well I hope so
@Sakura "It's not that it's difficult to understand, it's just irritatingly encumbered."
That's it.
I buy enough Nintendo stuff that I'm sure I'll benefit from this, and I was probably going to buy that stuff even without a reward system, so I might as well use it. Still, this seems overly complex.
I enjoyed Club Nintendo and the physical rewards. I won't be getting much for gold coins and I guess I'll see about platinum. I'm very disappointed at the moment though.
At the end of the day, this is all just a bonus.
We get what we pay for already, so anything beyond that is appreciated. And tbh, this isn't half bad. Especially getting exclusive games like that Zelda Picross.
I remember when my brother first told me about Club Nintendo- he said "sign up cause it's basically just free extras" and to this day I maintain that mindset. I have no expectations because I know I'm not entitled to anything extra beyond what I buy with my money. So anything they wish to impart to me as a little thank you, as I said before, is much appreciated.
Yeah, I'm with @JaxonH. It's just a bonus for those of us NLifers who were going to buy a lot of this stuff anyway. Obviously I like more free thingies, but any free thingies is better than no free thingies.
Really, I feel like programs like these mostly work at the margins, to try to more fully win over those folks who aren't as engaged with their gaming brands. Those of us who go to a dedicated Nintendo site already tend to know what we like, and we make our decisions based on various gaming preferences, not bonus prizes.
This is actually pretty neat - getting a retail release digitally, you're automatically qualified for a nice discount on a digital game. I just hope they include third-party indies in the discount promotions.
If you're gonna force us to buy digital, at least give us some more storage, Nintendo! I can't download any more games, and I've only downloaded WWHD, Pikmin 3, Splatoon, and MH3U! Four games, and the console's out of storage. A USB storage system is just as much as a game, so I've literally got a flash drive plugged into my Wii U.
Retail games are usually cheaper than digital downloads. If you are willing to wait a bit, a US$59.99 game can be purchased in a retail store or amazon for $49.99 or cheaper. For countries outside America, a new release usually cost 8 dollars cheaper immediately.
So what is the incentive of buying online? The reward from buying downloadable games is usually offset by the discount from buying physical copies anyway.
EDIT: Sorry, if I'm remembering right Mario 64 was 250 points, not 1,000. However, each dollar was worth 1 point, so you had to spend $250 to be able to redeem Mario 64 for free.
On this new system, Super Mario 64 cost 120 Gold Coins, amd it looks like about $5 will get you 10 gold coins. Add that up and it's $60 you'd have to spend to get Super Mario 64 for free. Yeah you're restricted to digital downloads to get points, but your points seem to be worth a lot more on the new system here...
Give it a chance people. Yeah it's quirky, but it's not all bad. It might end up being a better deal than CN was...
I'm going to wait and give it a chance. We will see what the details are once the Western details are released. A 3DS game used to get you 40 coins with Club Nintendo and one of those 18 3DS Game Cases was 240 coins so you needed to buy 6 3DS games, or roughly spend $300 (cdn) to get that physical reward. That's not exactly a great deal but many people were happy because those cases don't exist any where else. They were a unique physical reward from Nintendo. I'm not sure how excited I am for download only. I have 3 3DS game cases, a soundtrack and a green Koopa fabric container for my Wii remotes from Club Nintendo. I will certainly miss those style of rewards. So far, this program is not enticing me to buy digitally or interact with their apps. I hope the Western rewards are different and I will wait for them, but I think I will remain a physical copy customer and spend my eshop money on some VC and Nindie games.
Oh it's only for digital copies. 1. This won't do much for me because I only download games that don't get a physical release. Especially because 2. the limited WiiU memory storage doesn't even support you downloading newer games which get the most Gold Points for and forces us to rely on some external storage device if we are so enclined as to download tons of stuff from the eShop. I don't know - can't you just recognize a new game disc once I put the disc into my WiiU for the first time or whatever.
At first, I also was mad at the fact that I already have all of these games you get discounts on. I'd rather have had some Nindie discounts but after having some discussions with friends, I do realize that giving discounts on more, if not all, eShop games would be problematic for retail and third party companies.
Anyway, as long as they don't have physical goodies, this whole service gets a huge MEH from me.
@Yosher I just tried to replace my gamepad. could not find anywhere on any Nintendo site where I could purchase one. ended up buying one of ebay. Not impressed. cost me 200 when a new system is only 340 with two games.
i defend this company all the time and i am finally getting sick of it. this system is worse than the old one. who comes up with these dumb ideas. between this crap and ruining star fox with miyamoto s dumb ideas for controls they are running my favorite company into the ground. They finally decide to make a mobile game and out of all the great ip s they can chose from they come up with a social app for our mii s . really Nintendo! really. time for miyamoto to retire. please
One consequence of this is that there will be a pressure for cheap indie games to have their prices bumped up to just over the threshold...
@GreatPlayer
Definitely!!! Even though I dont sell my games I feel that my physical games are at least worth something if not a lot. Digital games arent really worth anything anymore IMHO. You would need to sell your whole systems and NNID and that doesnt make any sense. I just hope the nx will come with a physical drive and physical games.
Hey if I can get points for free I don't mind I rarely buy digital but I can easily rack up some miitomo points?
@Andrzej777 Exactly, I do not think that there is enough incentive to go digital.
No rewards for buying a physical copy of a game is a big turn off for me.
I enjoy collecting games, new and old.
Can't see myself bothering with this.
I'd like to see us loyal Wii U users get credit for all our non-Club registered purchases, but I doubt that will happen. It's free stuff guys, why all the complaining? I don't anything from Sony for buying games for my PS3!
@Xenocity Aaaaactualllly.... I made some quick math using thoses numbers (which are a bit flawed due to conversion rate, etc....)
Using the 60$+ purchases you get 80 gold point, that's a 1.33 conversion rate from dollars spent to gold point earned.
Then using the Zelda Majora's Mask 3D discount of 40% for 130 gold points you got a discount of 16$ for 130 a conversion rate of 0.123 gold point spent to dollars earned.
All in all you get a something like a ratio of 0.163 dollars spent to dollars earned.
In other words you gain roughtly 16 % of extra money with this system.
Keep in mind that I'm using thoses two particular examples, I picked them becauses they're the one for regular full price games. I did not check for others.
I wish they would offer points for physical games. They easily could by offering surveys then offering points for taking surveys, but then again, you could get points simply by renting or borrowing games instead.
I wonder if this means that the NX will be a download only system or they are simply using this system to get gamers comfortable with the idea of a download only console.
You guys must keep in mind that this system is mainly tailored for the NX. It's also an internationnal system.
In Europe we didn't have much of a reward system. I had to register my entire Wii, Wii U and 3DS library just to get an exclusive yoshi plush. I mean it's better than nothing but I'm not seeing much value here.
What a scam. This is disgusting.
First thing, loyalty programmes as almost always bad value for the consumer.
I know people that will shop in the same shop to get the points even though the item is cheaper in another shop. It is the collecting bug that society is addicted to.
Physical games are much better value than Nintendo downloads, even with a few reward points chucked in.
If the only way you can get a game is by download because there is no physical release, then any points you get, you have paid for in the price.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
@SuperCharlie78 I think the idea that it was just one point might have come from Nintendo themselves. I'm sure that's what I read. Eurogamer still has that information.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-02-17-nintendo-account-sign-ups-live-miitomo-pre-registration-open
But most places now say, "platinum points", so that's nice.
@rjejr I was wondering if some of the complexity was for Nintendo's benefit alone and not really for the consumer at all. Having three different coins to be earned will allow Nintendo to easily calculate how well the app is doing by just checking coin numbers. They'll be able to discern without any calculation if the Miitomo app is tempting the new target audience to buy eshop games (and consoles) and to what extent, how much interaction with Miitomo is the sweet spot for getting people to buy Nintendo consoles, etc. If they had only one type of point/coin it wouldn't be as easy to pull numbers from a database if they first had to calculate how many points came from what activity (Miitomo points for use with Miitomo, Miitomo points for rewards on systems, eshop purchase points). As for the account system, I guess we're stuck with that until NX. Hopefully, they'll simplify later on. At the moment, they seem to be just adding more layers of complexity. "Awkward is my speciality", as Charlie Brown would say.
Will this be available on Windows mobile 8.1/10?
Also, will you be able to use your 3DS/Wii U Mii??
@Kokusho I don't know why I'm always baffled by the amount of people who can't do this kind of math for themselves! I'm so glad at least someone can point this out. The old CN program only gave you between 1% and 5% back for your spending. This system is way better dollar for dollar, plus there are rewards you can get without spending ANYTHING!!
Yes I know CN let you redeem points for physical purchases, but really... even for someone like me who will buy physical over digital EVERY TIME as long as the format exists, this program is still BETTER. There are WAY more games released digitally now that don't get a physical release at all. That's where your points will Come from, not the few and far between first party Nintendo titles.
Also, keep in mind this is just the beginning of this new system. If Iwata was really telling rhe truth about this new program, eventually there will be points to be earned for many different Nintendo games. That's something to be thankful for.
For anyone who saw my previous post, I made a mistake with how much CN points you needed to redeem Mario 64, it was 250, not 1,000. Or, about $250 real cash spending. Compared to the new system, which will run you between $60-$90ish real spending to redeem the same game, you can see there's a huge difference here. I can forgive the ommision of physical release rewards when the new system is this generous...
I won't defend every aspect of the new system. Yes it is confusing at first glance, and you shouldn't have to think about it this much, but the point of it all is, every once in a while Nintendo is going to give you the chance to grab a free game, and that's kind of nice.
Rewards system isn't much different from what they've been doing already with Club Nintendo and all.
All they did was remodel Club Nintendo to work as a mediator between Nintendo platforms and smart devices. A couple of new features here and there, but it's still basically a rewards program.
Albeit a better one! Hopefully we see some awesome physical rewards in the future as well?
I don't care about physical reward to be honest.
When it comes to nintendo I care about their games. I buy games I got discount on games that's what it should be.
Of course you could argue that we should be able to have the choice between games and physical goodies but it's not the same.
With physical stuff the overhead cost is much much higher.
You have to produce the thingy, manage stocks of the thingy, ship each thingy to wherever. Basically it's a huge waste of ressources for everyone. If you want to sell physical goods you're much better off selling thoses in regular retail store at regular price without tying them to a fidelity program.
With digital goods it's much simpler, you just charge less.
End of story.
What I'm trying to say is that if Nintendo would be to offers physical goods with this system they would have to make everything pricer.
I'd rather have better digital only deals than having the choice between physical and digital but at a worse discount rate.
I don't like the direction.
So it looks like physical buyers will be getting screwed. I guess they found that a sheet of paper with a code on it was too much of a financial burden.
To summarize, anything is better than nothing, but this isn't a step forward like we were promised when Club Nintendo concluded. It's basically just an extension over what Club Nintendo was becoming at the end of it's life. Overall, I am incredibly disappointed with a digital only direction.
@MoonKnight7 Me too.
@MoonKnight7 @VanillaLake
If you buy a physical game, would it make sense to give you a discount on digital games ?
Cause I don't realistically see how they could give you discount on physical games.
You could say it would be better than nothing but if today you buy physical games only I guess it's for a reason (whatever that is) and having a discount on digital games wouldn't make you buy more digital game.
Except of course if you only buy physical game because of the lower price at retail. But if that's the case then this new system will suits you well because by going digital only you'll get a lot of discount and should ends up spending more or less the same amount than before.
Anyway I think it's time you guys get on with the time. Games are digital things, they should be sold digitally.
I've embraced digital only gaming on PC since forever and never once felt like I didn't own my games, I can still play 20 years old games on my brand new PC with or without internet connection.
All my 3DS games are also eShop purchase, only my Wii U game are still physical mostly because the Wii U sucks and doesn't have much storage (no I don't want to add an external DD).
I mean look at how games works today:
If today you buy Smash 4 on disc. The game is version 1.0, several major updates behind the current state of this game. Same with Splatoon, Mario maker and pretty much any updated game. And it's even worse for third party developpers because for whatever reason they can't figure out how to have a working day 1 game, so basically most of physical copy of modern game are broken as shit if you don't apply the day1 patch.
With digital game you don't have any of thoses issu, you always buy the latest version of the game.
@Sakura Well it's quadruply awkward for me as I maintain accounts for myself, wife, and 2 sons. That's 4 of everything. So that's 12 Nintendo accounts between NNID, NA, MN.
@-DG
N64 games were either 200 or 250 before. However you had post play surveys and many of the physical games I bought weren't full price. I don't want to buy digital. If I want to buy at launch Amazon gives me 20% off. Any program that offers worse than that is a non-starter to me.
Any word yet on extra rewards for hitting a year end point total like Club Nintendo?
@JaxonH
Is it a bonus though if you get it from buying a game or is it included in the purchase? Where do you draw the line in value when Nintendo constantly offers less than the competition? Did you defend EA when they made you pay $10 fee to play games online or when micro transaction games split up games into a hundred different purchases? Because by definition you always get what you pay for. Then is no company questionable?
@Kokusho
I think you take prefering physical games a little too literal. Club Nintendo gave digital benefits for physical purchases. I think the expectation is people liked that and wanted to keep it.
Nintendo implied that clubnintendo wasn't used much so people didn't expect this program to be worse. Because that would mean this new program will be used even less.
@Vineleaf: Yeah, that's kinda the vibe I get.
@Everyone_Else: I prefer physical rewards, like CN. I suppose a digital-only mindset is so Nintendo can prevent scalpers selling their physical prizes online for a lot of money.
Do I take great issue w/ this stuff overall? Well, yes, & no. Like @JaxonH said, it's free stuff. Yet, it's not completely up my alley. I only purchase digital, if I can't get a game physical. I can be tempted into a digital d/l, if it's significantly cheaper, than a physical.
I guess I'll just have to wait, & see.
@MoonKnight7 that logic is not true, if nintendo only cared about the digital direction to get games, then tell to yourself why physical copys still exists ? this that we see in this article is just the little we know about the my nintendo program, im sure they gonna include rewards or something for physical buyers in the longway, a logic thinking would be that some exclusive physical games like pokémon sun/moon that is coming and others major nintendo titles could get you coins because that makes sense (we just dont know how its gonna work), not trying to sound rude but you are just judging the program before it even comes out, its still very early to say anything as there is many things we still dont know but dont worry about being a physical buyer. ^^
@hendie001 I don't think you can outright purchase a new one from Nintendo, for whatever reason. Best I could find was a trade-in, which would still cost about € 158, and of course losing your old GamePad...
@cleveland124
"consistently offers less than the competition"
I strongly disagree with that. I own all 3 systems and I can tell you Nintendo games are almost always full games (Mario Tennis and Amiibo Festival being exceptions) whereas The Order- 6 hours. Destiny- even combined with both expansions barely makes a full game. Evolve- hundreds of dollars of content in DLC while the main game was bare. Street Fighter V- no single player. Heck I could list scores of games with no single player or online restrictions.
But that's beside the point. When I buy a game, I'm buying the GAME. Little rewards and extras are incentives- nothing more. A thank you of sorts. No- this is not "included with the game". This is an extra bonus.
Ya, you always get what you pay for. As you said. Which is exactly why stuff like this is an extra. When you get to a point of actually expecting it, and getting angry about it, I would simply say this:
I buy games based on whether they are worth buying in and of themselves, nothing more. You can spend your money however you want- and if you think you deserve a reward for making a purchase, that's your problem. Go buy a couch and then tell the retailer how much of a favor you've done them, and that you expect a reward for buying that couch. They'd laugh. Maybe they deserve a reward for selling you the couch and doing you a favor. Providing you a product you wanted.
@Rindou
"that logic is not true, if nintendo only cared about the digital direction to get games, then tell to yourself why physical copys still exists ?"
That's an unfair question, and doesn't even apply to this. We are talking about a loyalty program. This is something that Nintendo "doesn't have to do." But since it's here, and we had Club Nintendo in the past, it opens the door for criticism and praise. Anything that further limits the consumer is a criticism in my book, but we're all different.
True that we can only judge when it gets to us, but hasn't this already gone live in Japan? There doesn't seem to be any evidence that they are going to include physical copies. If it were a priority, I would imagine something would have been said by now. I would assume that if physical copies were included, their first physical game would be stuffed with a code or something. Moreover, in order to build up hype for the rewards program, they could have stuffed codes into new games this year, with a date saying when you could plug them in. There's been nothing about plugging in codes on the website, nor has there been any inclination of something more forward thinking (such as the Wii U reads a new disc and automatically knows its a new game, and links to your account, etc).
Now granted, maybe NA and EU will have physical copies included. That's why I said, "I don't like the direction." Simply implying that I don't like where it's heading without all the information about our loyalty program. Am I jumping the gun here with the rest of my comment? Maybe. But wouldn't it make more sense to have all your ducks in a row when you announce something like this, rather than have the information trickle out? It's a loyalty program, it shouldn't be anything too involved to explain, regardless of the region.
That said, I'd wager that it's more likely to follow suit with Japan with digital only purchases. Given that Club Nintendo was pushing extra coins (or stars) hard for digital only games, this seems like the next logical step. Plus, the physical Smash Bros. Disc had the Club Nintendo information on the backside of the cover. In other words, they purposely made it more of a chore to find it. I simply find it more likely to be a thing of the past, but sure, let's see what happens. I hope I'm wrong.
@MoonKnight7 Thanks for the reply and:
"There doesn't seem to be any evidence that they are going to include physical copies."
That is true and i think that nintendo may just want to go the digital direction for now only and that is what we can assume , but you see they could be testing the consumers with this new loyalty program and as more people join their program they might add more stuff and bonus for people who buy physical copys its to early to tell for sure i myself dont know but the fact that you can get rewarded by buying physical games especially the big titles that are coming like pokémon sun/moon and others makes sense to me and it would be very strange if that didnt happen, and that would also be where the criticism comes for me, (if this is only gonna be for digital consumers not physical this could well be just a preparation of bigger things that is to come like the NX).
@ShadJV
That's ridiculous. Some games are digital download only such as Indy titles and Virtual Console games. I am very interested in getting those as rewards despite the fact that I prefer to get my full retail games as physical copies.
@Kokusho Why, of course, they can give you discounts for any digital stuff like DLC which is always digital and I buy all digital on 3DS, too.
@Yosher Im going to take my broken one apart and see if i can clean the lemonade out of right shoulder buttons. I want to wait till my new gamepad comes in before i take the old one apart just in case i wreck it. still works for netflix. Was not expecting to pay 200 for a replacement tho.
@JaxonH
You think of a as a bonus, that's nice. I look it as included. If I buy carpet and they throw in installation, is that a nice bonus? Or did I pay for carpet and installation together? Nintendo is using profits from games to fund this program. So in essence, you yourself are paying for it. I think it's a waste of my money.
I'm not going to go over all the shortfalls, but as a multi-console gamer, I disagree that Nintendo provides as much value. First is rewards program. Playstation Plus is several times better than Nintendo's program to me. For about $4/mo. you get 5-6 games a month, many full retail games. Here you spend $200 to get a discount on a retail game? Okay. Sony/Microsoft typically release compilations discounted and discounted greatest hits with all DLC. I usually go crazy during PSN flash sales. Who doesn't love 75-90% off? Nintendo avoids sales like the plague or throws out 10% like it's a great deal. I have PSN games on 2 PS3s, a Vita, and a PSP. Nintendo would expect me to buy the game 4 times to do that.
You clearly like Nintendo games the best and think that they are worth the premium. And that's okay. And I do too, to an extent because I have a fairly nice Nintendo collection. But that doesn't blind me to the fact that my dollar goes further on other systems. There are so many more releases on other systems that it's easy to cherry pick bad releases on other systems. But there are tons of great games too that I do think compare to Nintendo games. And those great games are generally much cheaper than comparable Nintendo games. Like Raymon Legands a direct comparison to NSMBU. That games been $20 forever.
@JaxonH
I'd also like to add if you don't believe that the reward is worth buying the item for then Nintendo has failed with this program. The point is for you to want the rewards, and to get those rewards want to buy more games from them. It's supposed to lead to more sales, more revenue for Nintendo. If it doesn't lead to more revenue why have it?
@cleveland124
Well everyone sees things differently. I won't knock you for how you perceive value.
But I will say I despise PS+ The "free" games aren't free- you paid for them with the $50. And the online capabilities of the system were also recently locked behind this premium membership. Although I have personally found some decent value in the discounts, and in save backups for Vita which saved my butt when my 64gb card got error and I thought I had lost 4 years worth of save data. So that's cool. But basically I break even on the discounts and what I paid for the year.
I see Nintendo as offering more because they actually don't charge you for online so that's one less expense you have to deal with. Pokken Tournament? No $50/yr needed to play, whereas Street Fighter V is basically worthless without that premium membership (a game which really pissed me off and I won't get into here because I'll just rage for paragraphs about how angry I was when I discovered the lack of single player content which is typically all I play). So I see more value compared to PS+ in many instances.
And don't take me the wrong way because by no means am I trying to knock other systems. I own all three consoles and both handhelds and I have a massive game collection spanning every genre imaginable. But you are not wrong in saying I prefer Nintendo the most because I do. Not that I don't like other games- Ori & Blind Forest, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Divinity Original Sin, FFX, Witcher 3, Halo 5... there are countless games I love on other consoles.
But for all the games offered on those consoles, I still have more favorite games that I enjoy to a greater extent on the Wii U, despite its meager library. Maybe it's just my preference in genres, Idk. But there are at least half a dozen Wii U games I would personally rank as among my favorites of all time and I don't think I can say that about more than one or two games on other consoles. This is doubly true for the 3DS because it has Monster Hunter and Fire Emblem.
@cleveland124
And I wouldn't say they failed with this program because if they have to give you extras to sell you on their games, then they failed making great games. A great game will sell itself and doesn't need gold My Nintendo coins to convince you it's worth buying.
This is more of a loyalty program to keep consumer satisfaction high because I imagine there is a correlation between consumer satisfaction and long term loyalty to the brand. Which is probably why they call it a loyalty program in the first place.
@cleveland124
But I suppose there are some people who will be prone to spending more if they know they'll get some coins for it. Credit card companies use the same tactics to get people to spend more with their cards.
But what I was trying to get at earlier is that people aren't going to base a console purchase on a rewards program. When you buy a platform, you buy it based on whether or not it has games you want to play. It could have great games and no rewards, yet people will still buy it because they want to play those great games. Likewise, it could have crappy games and awesome rewards, but people still won't buy it because it doesn't have any good games.
So that's what I was saying earlier- people are going to buy games because they're great, not because they get some coins to go towards a discount for some other game. You may be right inasmuch that it encourages people to lessen the grip on their wallets, but they're still not going to buy a game they didn't want to play. They'll probably just impulse buy a game they wanted anyways.
Idk, as for me, I will never allow bonuses to influence my purchasing decisions. I will buy the games that I'm going to buy anyways and if I get rewarded then that's great. I'll let the coins stack up however fast they stack up.
Now, what it WILL do is promote usage of Miitamo, and tempt people to spend more often via those eShop visitation coins. The more people visit the eShop the more times they will be tempted to buy something on impulse. So they go to the eShop to get platinum coins, and while on the eShop they see a game that interests them and they buy it.
But I still don't think people will actually buy a game they were never going to buy anyways simply because they get some coins.
@JaxonH
But why would it keep satisfaction high if it's just a throwaway reward? The reward has to be meaningful. A reward is part of the value and people weigh that into the overall decision to purchase. Meaningful rewards keep satisfaction high which leads to your loyalty and future purchases or gets you to outright buy games you wouldn't. I.E. holiday bundles that come with 2-3 games whereas the base console costs the same. That's a great reward and definitely gets people to buy a console that they were hesitant to buy.
The whole point of marketing is to get you to buy. Good marketing gets you to buy games you wouldn't otherwise buy. Certainly there is a scale of how much you want a game and if you are at 0, you won't be tempted by rewards. But if you are meh on a game, you may get it to pick up. Steam sales are a great example of getting customers to buy more. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/04/17/nearly-37-of-all-registered-steam-games-have-never-been-played/#2e51b6cd4f85
Steam is notorious for selling games on sale and the customer never uses them. Great marketing indeed.
@JaxonH
I wish great games sold themselves. I really do. But the Wii U is proof that simply having great games does not sell systems. Opinions vary on quality, but there are in my opinion many great games that were just terrible sellers. Marketing is king now. And I think Nintendo is terrible at marketing which is in part why they are struggling in the market so much right now. And I don't think this reward program helps them. No where have you made an argument this is a good rewards program. You are just saying something is better than nothing. Nintendo needs a good rewards program if this is integral to their future growth strategy. Just like they need a good account system.
@cleveland124
Well obviously there are other factors such as social stigma, popularity, image from marketing and what console your friends have. Those definitely factor in but little rewards are nothing.
Nintendo could have no rewards program and it wouldn't affect much. Like I said this program can bring people in a situation to where they're tempted to spend more money and that's about as good as you can ask for.
Ask anyone here if they are willing to buy a game that they weren't going to buy anyways, simply because they'll earn a few coins. If several people say they are then maybe you're right but I kind of doubt that to be the case.
Sony has a rewards program that sucks and most people don't even know it exists. Microsoft has none that I'm aware of. And I never said this was a good rewards program and I'm not defending it as good, i'm simply saying it's an extra that you get for buying games you were going to buy anyways and so anything that's extra is a good thing.
How much this program will help them is yet to be determined- but in theory it should work. Utilizing the program to promote their app and eShop hits is about the best strategy you can have for increasing revenue. It's not that people are going to buy games they weren't going to buy before, it's that they're going to be tempted to buy games more often. And the app- the larger the user base the more people will be exposed to Nintendo, and that awareness is as good as advertising.
@cleveland124
And even if this rewards program fails to bring them in more revenue that's really none of my concern. That's Nintendo's problem, not mine.
My only perspective is that which comes from the viewpoint of a gamer. And what I see is getting free rewards for stuff I was buying anyways. I never expected to get more than what I was paying for in the first place so anything they care to give me is certainly appreciated.
How impactful this rewards program proves to be for them, to be honest, I really couldn't care less. I mean, I wish the company well and all but I'm a gamer, not a fanboy or somebody who's happiness depends on the success of some multibillion-dollar corporation. This program can succeed or fail and it will make no difference to me whatsoever.
Very disappointing, as a physical game lover i dont feel the need to get punished after all my investments.
Still got like 15+ of those codes in old boxes, wich i never used, to get a little notebopok with peach on it -.- , it's not really my thing.
@rjejr I hear ya. Perhaps the remaining territories will get rewards for physical purchases. I wouldn't count on it, though, seeing as the Japanese aka Nintendo's "golden children" aren't getting physical-based rewards so I doubt they'd do it for anyone else. Doesn't surprise me at all, though, because that's Nintendo: always taking 10 steps forward and 100 backward.
@JaxonH
"Nintendo could have no rewards program and it wouldn't affect much. "
You don't see that as a problem? Because if it doesn't affect behavior they shouldn't have it.
"Ask anyone here if they are willing to buy a game that they weren't going to buy anyways, simply because they'll earn a few coins."
I have bought games because of the now extinct Deluxe Digital Program. I tried out games and became a fan buying sequels of games from Club Nintendo rewards where I got a download code. I've bought games (Steamworld Heist) where their was an early buyer discount or (Olli Olli) where there was cross-buy. Somebody will buy a game for gold rewards. I just don't think it'll be many and that to me is a poor rewards program and I think it's worse than money of the other rewards programs Nintendo has had.
@JaxonH
"And even if this rewards program fails to bring them in more revenue that's really none of my concern. That's Nintendo's problem, not mine."
You sure had alot of comments on the success of marketing for you to not care about it. However, I do care about it and my comments on this forum were that I think this isn't a great business move. I don't believe this is against forum rules, so feel free to not respond if you don't care how successful Nintendo is.
You should care, as it's the same comment that was used when 3rd parties started leaving, and it's why Nintendo's focus on "Nintendo like profits" has meant that Nintendo is looking to split up their games more with Amiibo. No longer is Nintendo happy selling you a $60 game. To get the full experience you often need to pay more. It's why games like Mario Tennis and Amiibo Festival are now getting approved. You mentioned those as particularly lacking and it's no coincidence that they have both happened in the last year in an effort to drive profits. If you like a Nintendo console with no third parties, with chopped up first party games, and with incomplete full price releases, then yes, you shouldn't care how Nintendo's business is doing. I do.
@cleveland124
I enjoy speculation, after all this is a comment section with the purpose of discussion- but don't mistake my insight for personally caring about the outcome.
@cleveland124
And there's nothing I can do about what Nintendo does- they're going to do whatever they're going to do and nothing we say or think or care is going to change any of that. The lack of third-party games is out of our control- well actually it's not because it really boils down to the fact that the fanbase refuses to buy them, so that's out of Nintendo's control to be more accurate. But I have no control over what the rest of the fanbase purchases.
And to be perfectly honest I really don't care if they get third-party games because I own all the systems and I am going to play those games on other systems anyways. I only need 1 system to have third-party games and the other 4- all they need are exclusives.
And as for chopped up first party games I don't see any chopped up first party games or incomplete releases. So that's really not a problem. I see full first party games with additional content above and beyond that full game. And that I am 100% in favor for and will continue to support it. Of course you're going to have a few select exceptions to the rule as mentioned before- but you're going to have that on every console. At least there's only 2 of those games on Wii U that come to mind as opposed to 20 to 30 of them on PS4 and X1. Nintendo is the only platform left where the vast majority of games are actually full games. They are by no means perfect, but generally speaking and in comparison with rival platforms they do a far better job. To sit here and act like all their games are incomplete is, quite frankly, a lie. Additional amiibo content is not the same thing as removing content from a full game. You can try to spin it to seem that way to work in favor of your argument but until you can name one example of a game where content was definitively REMOVED for amiibo, I rest my case. Every single instance of amiibo content has been additional value above and beyond an already full game.
And I'm trying to choose my words carefully because as I said earlier, I wish the company well, and want them to succeed. So I guess you couldn't exactly say that I don't "care". I just don't really care in a sense that it makes a difference to me personally what happens. What happens happens.
I'm just here to enjoy y some games- I'm not an activist or protester. I just play whatever great games come my way, and there's an awful lot of those on Nintendo platforms. I think people who are always upset need to take a step back and realize this is just a hobby of playing with toys. Video games are nothing more than toys. And I'm not going to get upset about toys.
@cleveland124
And one last thing- I never said the rewards program won't affect behavior- I said it won't make people buy games they weren't going to buy anyways. Repeatedly- over and over and over I have made it very clear that this reward program is designed to get people to go to the eShop and that will increase sales because people will be tempted to spend more often. And it will increase app usage that increases awareness of Nintendo. So it most certainly will affect behavior but not in the way you suggest, or more specifically- not in any meaningful numbers.
And the thought of people complaining about a rewards program that is better than anything Sony and Microsoft offers confuses me to no end. If the "rewards aren't good enough" for you then go spend your money elsewhere. Go spend it with Microsoft where you get absolutely nothing in return. Or go spend it with Sony and see how long it takes you to accumulate enough points to get anything worthwhile. I really don't know what else to say.
@JaxonH
"I enjoy speculation, after all this is a comment section with the purpose of discussion- but don't mistake my insight for personally caring about the outcome."
Why write a book in reply if you don't care?
"The lack of third-party games is out of our control- well actually it's not because it really boils down to the fact that the fanbase refuses to buy them, so that's out of Nintendo's control to be more accurate."
That's very inaccurate. The original Xbox and Xbox 360 were successful because Microsoft was very aggressive recruiting 3rd parties and getting the best content on their systems. Then people who like those games flocked to those systems. Nintendo is 100% responsible for the situation they are in.
"And to be perfectly honest I really don't care if they get third-party games because I own all the systems and I am going to play those games on other systems anyways."
If you are preferential to Nintendo you should care. If they continue to get weaker in the market their first party games and hardware will suffer. You mentioned Mario Tennis/Amiibo Festival. You think they are the outlier, I see them as future Nintendo barring a financial recovery. Nintendo themselves admitted there is no Fire Emblem for the Wii U because they don't think it would sell enough. So at the very least you're going to get a very risk adverse Nintendo which focuses on sequels.
"You can try to spin it to seem that way to work in favor of your argument but until you can name one example of a game where content was definitively REMOVED for amiibo, I rest my case."
Nice strawman. You know I don't work at the inner circles and can't prove they removed items with amiibo much like you can't prove they don't identify things in initial concept to remove. They've started having day one amiibo paywalls and I certainly don't like that. Nothing different than the DLC day 1 paywalls that everybody hates.
"So it most certainly will affect behavior but not in the way you suggest, or more specifically- not in any meaningful numbers."
If it doesn't make a meaningful difference why have it? This program costs Nintendo real money so they must expect it to have a significant impact. Amazon/Best Buy programs are certainly better and in my opinion Sony/Microsoft programs are better though you disagree.
"I think people who are always upset need to take a step back and realize this is just a hobby of playing with toys. Video games are nothing more than toys. And I'm not going to get upset about toys."
You seem pretty emotional about it. I certainly am not someone whose upset in any way. Do I wish Nintendo did things better? Absolutely. Do I enjoy discussing them, yes. Will I buy thier games in the future? If they fancy me. Nintendo's made you happy and that is great. I just have to agree to disagree with you on whether or not this is overall a good program for Nintendo to institute. Maybe Mittomo will draw interest to Nintendo and this will be successful. But I am the core Nintendo player and got something like 50 free games from club nintendo/deluxe discount program and I'm not even sure I want to sign up for this program. So in my mind it's not great.
@cleveland124
Are you going to argue with me that I care lol? Seriously, are you?
1) Xbox is not Nintendo. Nintendo fans don't branch out of their comfort zone of 1st party. Only select franchises and publishers can find moderate success with Nintendo, and almost always has to be an exclusive to do so.
2) You might be right about less risks, and yes that's unfortunate. But yet again, it's out of my control so I really couldn't care less. I'm not going to worry over something I can't control. That's foolish.
3) It's not a strawman it's a bulletproof fact. Learn what a strawman is before you accuse me of using one. It's a bulletproof fact that you cannot prove what you accuse them of. So don't accuse them of it.
4) Yet again, I did not say it will not make meaningful difference. Please listen carefully because I tire of repeating myself- it will not make any meaningful difference IN THE MANNER YOU SUGGEST. It most certainly will in the way I told you it would.
5) Don't spin us around as if you are the calm and collected one and I'm emotional. I'm absolutely 100% fine and told you that from the beginning I'm fine. You are the one getting bent out of shape over a rewards program, not me.
***And you've already made it abundantly evident you disagree- please don't waste my time and yours by replying to simply repeat yourself. If you have something new to bring to the discussion I'll be happy to indulge you, but if not, I see no reason to continue on repeating the same things. I've made my stance crystal clear this time so that it's impossible to be misinterpreted again. You know where I stand and I know where you stand. And I would prefer to just leave it at that... unless you had anything else you wished to discuss?
I'm not arguing at all, I'm sharing my opinion. Here's a piece of advice. Don't get upset at other peoples opinions on the internet because you can't change them. Also, if you think someone is being too negative, try being positive impact instead of trying to put them in their place. I could respond point by point, but at this point I think I'll just say try to enjoy your weekend. It's a nice one.
It seems really confusing. I will give it a go and see when the time comes
Seems more or less okay; only thing I can say is that they darn well better let you earn points for purchasing retail games.
I don't have a problem with buying digital games; if a game I want is only available digitally then I'll still get it. But I always buy physical if there's an option, and it looks like Nintendo is actively choosing not to reward me for that.
A comment by @Kokusho made me think that perhaps physical purchases are excluded, because they could be abused. You could buy a copy, register it, get your free games or discounts or other rewards and then sell your copy.
The reward you get seems to depend on how much you spend. But what if you get a physical copy discounted? How would the system know how much you've spend to adjust your reward? Wouldn't that lead to people buying cheap games, just to get more out of it? While buying digital let's you easily adjust the reward. Then someone who buys full price would get a better deal than someone who buys on a discount.
If you aren't going to get reward points for physical purchases, than this is a huge downgrade to Club Nintendo. I buy Nindies more than most, but I bet I still won't hit a reward for like a year.
Boo-urns. Boo-urns I say!
@Rin-go The whole point is to maximize value. With Club Nintendo, you could buy a $60 game a month after release for $20 because only about 1,000 people bought a WiiU system. You got 60 points for Club Nintendo. You do that a few times,t hen you get a good free game when things rotated on Club Nintendo.
So you could buy 5 physical games for like $100 total, get 300 coins and get 1-2 more digital games for free. That wonderful system is gone.
Welp... Better start downloading my Wii U games. :/
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