
Virtual Reality is set to go big this year, with challengers like the Oculus Rift, HTC Vive and PlayStation VR all entering a market which is predicted to be worth hundreds of millions over the next few years.
Despite tentatively dipping a toe into this sector two decades ago with the ill-fated Virtual Boy - a venture which some believed did VR more harm than good - Nintendo has been rather stand-offish with the concept. Shigeru Miyamoto questioned the viability of the tech not so long ago, while Nintendo of America boss Reggie Fils-Aime claimed it "just isn't fun". However, that stance has changed somewhat recently, with Nintendo saying it was "looking at VR" but wouldn't be in a position to give more details any time soon.
While Nintendo may be reluctant to lay its cards on the table now, the rest of the industry is showing intense interest in the tech. At GDC 2016, Carnegie Mellon University professor and game designer Jesse Schell held a talk which outlined his 40 predictions for VR and and its close relation Augmented Reality, and the room was packed to capacity 20 minutes before he even said a word - an indication of how much interest there is in this sector.
Those 40 predictions covered topics such as VR headset ownership, location-based VR theme parks and even when the mass media will latch onto the negative side of VR gaming, but the one which is of most interest for Nintendo fans relates to Schell's belief that the Japanese company is already working on a headset, and that it could be the one which takes the industry in a new direction.
Schell feels that by 2022, most of the cash spent on VR will be related to portable, self-contained systems that are not dependant on other mobile tech (like Samsung's Gear VR, which needs a Samsung smartphone to function) or require a PC or console, and are free from cables and wires which restriction movement and immersion:
Imagine if you strapped a DS to your face, it's like that or imagine if the Virtual Boy didn't suck. I would bet Nintendo is working on one.
It's worth noting that despite Schell's knowledge on VR, the predictions he delivered are just that - predictions based on personal thoughts rather than solid information. Claiming that Nintendo is looking into VR is hardly a massive stretch - the company's R&D labs will have countless speculative projects in development - but Schell's point is rather different; he seems to feel that Nintendo could be the company that will take VR in a new, mainstream direction, creating the "Game Boy" of VR systems. Back in the early '80s Nintendo took the (then) new-fangled medium of video gaming on the road with its Game & Watch range before refining that with the Game Boy in 1989; could the firm perform the same trick with VR, or is this a dead-end for a company which is focused so much on social gaming?
Let us know what you think by posting a comment.
[source gamesindustry.biz]
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waits for special edition that looks like the virtual boy
Imagine if you strapped a DS to your face? I love the DS, but I think that concept would kind of suck. I wouldn't doubt Nintendo is working on VR, but I still see that concept as a ways off and would be surprised if the NX has it integrated in any way.
I also wonder what Nintendo could bring to VR. The other companies are working on bringing state of the art tech to VR. Is Nintendo going to bring low res pixelated graphics at a price consumers can afford? Is Nintendo just the budget company now?
Here's to hoping they don't go in that direction.
I'm still on the fence, feeling its a fad.
Don't get me wrong OR looks amazing, I just don't see the practicality of it all.
If you ask me, it's just the misguided words of a complete Mellon head.
@Madder128, Same here buddy, I thought I was the only one feeling like VR is just a fad, it looks awesome but still a fad IMO.
Am I the only one that doesn't get the big deal with VR?
It doesn't matter how emersive you make something, I am totally aware that I'm not actually doing anything, because I don't feel it.
I'm totally aware I don't have a basket ball, because though I'm holding one in VR, I don't feel it in real life. There's nothing there. I know I'm not swimming, because I'm not wet, or cold.
Not to mention, if you need a controller to move around, then how is that any different than playing a game in first person view?
I love that pull-quote. It's like a random Twitter comment. Yeah, I bet they're working on one'.
No.
I'm 100% sure they are working on VR, but I'm 100% sure they would never release anything like it as it goes against everything they believe in in video games, couch co-op, multi player with family games. Maybe in a few gens as VR could change to a clear glass type thing where you can see people infront of you.
Highly doubt it.
VR is gonna be great, but as a neiche type thing.
http://youtu.be/dLdjgUrkqR4 totally agree with ReviewTechUsa, and he's been saying this for a couple years now. It's just not ready yet for mass market appeal. Watch the little video and you'll see he's right
VR too early, AR maybe.
The funny thing is for me is that in the article it states by 2022, but that's when the Nervegear came out in Sword Art Online and I am not sure if that's a good thing or not ;^^.
(Note: I am not that big of a Sword Art Online fan, but I am fascinated by the Amusphere technology).
Either way I am looking forward to see what kind of interesting technologies Nintendo can come up with :+).
I love this prediction. It's basically "ye, they be doin it. I can feel it in me jimmies".
I honestly doubt it.
They should wait and see how VR does first. To me, VR on console looks set to be this gen's new gimmick/fad like how motion controls and 3D were. I think VR will mainly just be for a niche that wants AO games on PC.
"or imagine if the Virtual Boy didn't suck."
Did he actually say that or is that just a loose interpretation of what he said?
Whenever anyone says "I bet" it's complete speculation. Also, dude this isn't the noughties any more, we've upgraded from the DS
I generally don't like strapping stuff to my face, DS or no. I think a controller in my hand will do, thank you very much.
I think its very hard that it won't connect with a VR device, but don't think it will be the main focus or selling point. Really want to believe it will just be a damn good "normal" console with multi plat support, that connects with a handheld device.
The VR thing will be just as "big" as 3D is and was, which is just a neat feature nothing substantial or game changing. I will be disappointed if they turn out pushing the virtual reality angle for the NX, and they will be doomed lol
On the other hand VR is not something, that you would expect from Nintendo at this point, as it is so expensive, that even the most expensive solutions still have some impracticalities(like wires).
But then again, with the rumored near console power handheld(which I am not holding my breath for) they might already have some of the VR stuff in the bag.
They could be working with something GearVR like, where you slip the handheld NX in. They might even be able to come up with affordable VR controllers, as they are kind of pioneers on that field.
I could even prefer a wireless VR solution, which on other hand might not be quite as high end, but was cheap enough for multiplayer and also have "zero" latency VR controllers in the package.
I'm not expecting Nintendo VR...but man, I would pay almost anything to play Metroid Prime in VR.
@Wil That was my thought! It sounds soooo valid.
So glad the news for Nintendo is so slow we are now picking random people on the earth and asking what they think the next Nintendo system will be.
Seriously, this guy's guess is no better anyone on this website. So don't post it as "news."
This concept of VR is going to fail just as it did in the 90s. This has 3DTV written all over it and we all know how that turned out.
@Neon_Blues Well, besides the obvious issue of you not being able to throw water over yourself to get immersed into a game that way, there's a thing called haptic controls, and they DO go a lòòòng way into fooling the brain, whether you want it or not, so if they advance that technique right along with the VR goggles themselves (and companies like Oculus are already hard at work on this) then we will get to a point where it will become way more lifelike. (and if you think you won't be fooled, just think of those flight simulators in amusement parks and so on, that can make you feel like you're doing barrel rolls and loopings, even though they are fixed to the ground and generally only move by means of six hydraulic arms)
And there's also complete solutions with physical platforms and riggings to make you "walk" like you're doing in the game:
Virtuix Omni - http://www.virtuix.com/ (works in conjunction with the Oculus Rift and all types of VR guns, like the Delta Six: http://www.thedeltasix.com/)
https://virtualrealityreporter.com/kat-walk-virtual-reality-omni-directional-strain-free-gaming-treadmill-vr-gaming/
http://nerdist.com/infinadeck-omnidirectional-treadmill-is-the-best-solution-for-walking-in-vr/
http://www.worldviz.com/walking-virtual-reality-system/
(for now business related only, but in time systems like these will surely be available for home use too)
And here are some examples of haptic controllers:
http://www.novint.com/index.php/novintfalcon
http://www.wired.com/2015/06/oculus-touch-virtual-reality/
http://www.virtualrealitytimes.com/2015/03/13/list-of-haptic-controllers-virtual-reality/
I have that much more respect for the dozens of NX rumours. The fact I wasted 20-30 seconds of my finite time on this dross has helped me to appreciate things with at the very least an inkling of substance.
I suddenly have the urge to play Splatoon again...
As someone who was raised being told not to sit too close to the tv or I'd ruin my eye sight, I can not understand this desire to put tiny screen an inch from each eyeball. If people thought the 3DS would blind you, where are they when it comes to VR?
They aren't going to do it, no way. They're not doing well enough financially to take that kind of risk in an unproven and already very competitive market.
@XCWarrior While I 100% agree the news is slow, this isn't exactly the same as "picking random people on earth". It's the GDC. The "G" stands for "Game", this is a "Game" website. There is certainly a correlation between GDC and NL. And it just so happens VR is very big at GDC this year.
http://www.engadget.com/2016/03/14/live-gdc-2016/
Edit - This link is better - http://www.gdconf.com/
And Nintendo is almost certainly looking into VR, how can they not be if they have a R&D dept? I don't think it will happen, but it might. And if it does it's the Viewmaster toy variety.
Oh, and for all those people saying - this isn't Nintendo, Ntineod is all about couch co-op - well if Nintendo decides the NX is a handheld w/ TV out, then there is no home console, there is no couch co-op, it would be all about the handheld single player experience w/ online co-op, and that would probably work just fine in VR.
And really, if Ninteod's idea of couch co-op is:
Splatoon's really bad offline 2-player
Star Fox's - "you drive, I'll shoot" 1 player split in 2
AC:aF board game w/o an AC game
Mario Tennis Ultra Smash 1 arena no motion controls
well then they might as well drop home consoles b/c they stink at couch multiplayer games.
@DiscoGentleman it's the same people who are saying that yet another drab, dreary open world shooter from Ubisoft is the first "true next gen game" and "the best new IP in a decade". And they're also proving themselves to be complete morons by attacking one of the average reviews it got.
Yeah I don't value their opinions so much.
@Judgedean And yet it is now WAY more widespread than the first time around that both the PC and console industry tried to sell us on VR, so I think you're wrong and this is not going to go away any time soon.
Companies like Oculus are in it for the long haul and especially solutions like Microsoft's HoloLens (AR) will only become more and more advanced and Google is also hard at work on Google Glass v2.
Honestly, VR kind of HAS to happen. Where else can we go? We can't/won't always have the standard TV/Console set up...
The latest generation of consoles are practically the same as the last ones. At least VR is something new. Whether the tech is where it needs to be to be able to pull it off remains to be seen.
There are still far too many problems with VR for it to "take over the game industry" like so many people seem to think it's going to. Nobody in their right mind is going to sit around in public wearing one of these things on their face. It's ridiculous.
@TruenoGT
But we would need a IVDS!
That is a pretty good name though. I also kind of like NVR (Nintendo Virtual Reality)
The next revolution in gaming has to come from the way we play the games, not from the way you see them. The industry will try and force this concept onto us just based on the money that have spent getting it to market.
Some of the new systems are offering new ways to control so I am hoping this will lead to some good ideas.
@TheRealThanos
Wait! Did you just say haptic controls? Wasn't there a leak that stated that the NX would have haptic controls?
I think Nintendo could do well if they created a cheap and accessible VR headset, while the rivals chase the expensive cutting edge technology market. However, I'm not convinced that the technology is available yet for Nintendo to make a budget VR machine.
@rjejr
Wow you picked some bad examples there of bad 'couch multiplayer' games. If you really think they make a couple of the best 'couch multiplayer' games in Mariokart and Smash Bros.
I don't think they are. With crazy MSRP's for what is available I'm sure they are taking a wait and see approach.
No thanks! I doubt this is what they're working on anyway. They've come out and said they tried experimenting with VR lately but it's just not fun. I doubt Nintendo would invest in technology they didn't think was fun. I have literally zero interest in VR anyway.
I must admit, I hadn't considered the idea of a self-contained VR unit (ie. computing and display in the same headset). At the moment you need a top-of-the-range PC to use the best headsets, and I'm sure there's still a lot of room for improvement in terms of graphics and resolution. By the time you can get all that into a portable unit... who knows?
I believe Nintendo will be working on advanced gesture and voice recognition combined with AR. Haptic feedback also sounds like it would help with immersion. I would love to see a visor like headset that offers a 3D image floating out in front of you. One of the big issues with VR at this point is not being able to see your surroundings. I think if Nintendo does go towards VR it will be more AR based.
Bring back smell tech from EARTHBOUND!
@TruenoGT
Lol, probably!
@dew12333 'couch multiplayer'
couch multiplayer in order of release date:
MK8 May 2014
SSB4 Sept 2014
Splatoon May 2015
AC:aF Nov 2015
Mario Tennis Nov 2015
Star Fox Zero April 2016
I call that "trending", and the trend is bad.
Also, here's a list of games on 3DS. Look familiar?
MK7
SSB4
AC:NL
Mario Tennis Open
Starfox 64 3D
Nintendo doesn't need a home console for couch multiplayer, they have all those same games - except Splatoon - on handheld. So if they can do them all on handheld, they can do them all in VR and not worry about "couch co-op".
Thanks for helping me point that out by adding MK and SSB to the list.
It's possible Nintendo could be working on something. The company is working on things all the time that never see the light of day, which the only thing they have to show for it are leaked patents.
Nah, they will have looked into it at some point but I dont think thats their next move at all. Nintendo never follows the crowd and it won't be the case this time either
Is this Nintendo VR headset backward compatible with 3DS? Since VR rendered images twice like 3DS it shouldn't be a problem.
3DS games will become Virtual Console games on this VR unit.
It's no doubt looking at the tech but I think that's about it for the near future.
Shame, because by the time it realises the VR is the future it will be late to the party, and probably too late to matter.
@rjejr There are millions of people who claim to be game developers, a lot of them make games no one wants to play. It's not like the guy has a source.
Does Nintendo want to lose money in VR like the other people? Maybe, but they lost a lot of money because of WiiU, so I think they'd hold off releasing another disaster.
And you spelled Nintendo 6 different ways of wrong, lol.
@XCWarrior I was going for 7, but I ran out of ways to spell it.
And it doesn't matter how many millions of developers there are in the world, it's still the GDC, and it's happening now. Go Google GDC, there is only one conference. So NL covering GDC I think is more valid than most of the other nonsense they've been covering these days as we wait for actual NX news.
How many non-games do we need to see run in the Unreal engine? At least VR is relevant to gaming and forward thinking, whether Nintendo (just for you) embraces it or not it's still a related gaming story.
And even though I'm not likely to ever use VR for gaming myself, I'd rather VR than another Wonderbook. I still feel bad for these people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPYUkbP5Kh4
@business-scrub I don't know about the others, but me personally, I don't think VR is going to "take over" the industry. It is here to stay, though, so in the next generations of consoles to come, it will probably either be a significant or an integral part instead of just an extra peripheral that you don't necessarily need as is the case with the Xbox One and PS4 at the moment.
@GamePerson19 Yes, there is indeed a patent for haptic controls, supposedly for the thumb sticks in the NX controller.
On a side note: if you have the money, and are also a PC gamer, then I can really recommend the Novinth Falcon controller. It is truly weird but wonderful, especially with some of the addons. I don't own one yet, but I'm planning on buying one after having been able to test it several times.
It's the first link I posted under Haptic controllers in comment #22.
And be sure to check out some YouTube clips of people testing it, although that obviously doesn't compare to trying it out for yourself...
@rjejr Who cares about the GDC when you've got Super Tuesday?
@TheRealThanos I'm multitasking. And avoiding doing my taxes. That's probably the best reason for you not to live in Cali - 2 pages plus add-ons for federal, 4 pages plus add-ons for state. I've already put in a few hours just gathering it all together, but now I need to start filling stuff in. This is why I don't need difficult games, just fun ones, life is difficult enough.
Oh, and put me down in the "VR is a fad" camp. Gaming fad anyway, it's much too valuable for education, tourism, realty, medical, scientific research and exploration - deep sea, volcanoes, the sun? - to ever go away. But I do see it as a gaming gimmick for the masses. Nobody wants to be standing on a crowded bus or subway with glasses covering your face, you'll be groped or robbed or sucker punched for sure. And my wife and I have easily put in over 1,000 hours of gaming next to each other on the couch where I am playing and she is just watching. That would just be stupid w/ VR goggles on. I do think it will have it's place long term in gaming, longer than Wonderbook or 3D, but not all games need VR - how does VR improve all of Nintnedo's 2D sidescrollers? It's a boon for FPS b/c VR is made for FP view - COD, Halo and all that - maybe Assassins Creed is skipping this year to go 1st person? - but all of those retro 2D indie games and Candy Crush clones, do they need VR? It's niche. Maybe a big long term niche, but it's still niche.
@rjejr The only way I'm ever playing a video game system that goes on my head is if it's small and sleek enough to just look like you are wearing normal glasses. And you can control the game with your mind. So you can sit there at work, pretending to be working, but actually playing a game.
Somehow I think VR is some archaic tech that is no where near that ability.
@AlexOlney Well said! Your comment is brilliant!
@Moon What are you talking about? Are you implying that TV's and home consoles will somehow cease to exist at some point? Sure, perhaps in Japan, but TV's, and home consoles are more popular now than ever before in the Western hemisphere. It's the same with mobile gaming, it might be popular in Japan, but there are far more paying customers for games on home consoles and dedicated gaming handhelds in the West. Japan is kind of a strange beast that does things differently so don't believe the pro-mobile and console gaming is dying propaganda because it really only applies to Japan.
@XCWarrior I wouldn't want that...especially after seeing the horrors of .hack and Sword Art Online.
@Morpheel @Waluigi @TingLz Uh...something bizarre just happened, these three posts were supposed to be only one, but it somehow got fragmented into three separate posts...my apologies, I have no idea why that happened.
Edit: That's odd, the timestamps also appear to be incorrect as well.
Well if anyone could make me care about VR, it's Nintendo. I think they could make some pretty fun virtual worlds that I wouldn't mind running around in. That said, I really doubt they're working on VR. Which is fine by me, because I don't really care about VR.
@AlexOlney i'd say 7 out of 10 groans, but full review pending.
I'm not into the whole VR thing yet. I'll prob give it a try if it becomes available on the NX, but not if it's too expensive. I'd rather wait to see how it goes on the other consoles and if it's here to stay or is just going to disappear by next gen.
So random woman says Nintendo will do VR by 2022. Okay?
@rjejr "That's probably the best reason for you not to live in Cali"
Well, hate to disappoint ya, my friend but you'll have to come up with a better one: you forgot that I recently started my own business so next to having to do the quarterly tax report, I also still have to do the yearly ones, except since this year as a business owner instead of a regular citizen. Loads of paperwork for practically nothing, since I've only been at it for a little under two months, the other 4 months before that was preparations, investments and finding customers/contractors.
Nice things to take into account when being a one man government supported (that's a whole thing over here to get more people interested in starting their own business) startup business in the EU are 21%VAT and monthly committee reviews and so on. Luckily I've already finished them, since I didn't have that much to declare or report, like I already said.
"This is why I don't need difficult games"
Well, the new Paper Mario would probably be a nice fit then, since from what I've heard from the experts, it's going to be completely stripped of any difficulty level or story, so you don't even have to think while playing it...
Agreed on the VR being niche, and obviously it isn't an added value in every type of game, and I certainly only see it being used for home console gaming, not for gaming on the go, unless of course it's Augmented Reality so you can at least see where you're going.
When I pictured you and your wife sitting next to each other on the couch and you with VR goggles on, I had to laugh, because for some reason I saw her sitting there, arms crossed, lightning bolts shooting from her eyes and a dark cloud over her head.
A solution to that would obviously be having a second set of goggles in spectator mode, same as you could now do from another room and another console when in online multiplayer mode. That's the first solution that popped into my mind when I thought of tackling that problem.
Actually, this would already be (kind of) possible with current gen hardware, although you would probably need two consoles...
But it's like I always say: think in solutions, so what you can do, NOT in what you couldn't do anymore while wearing a VR headset.
@KingofSaiyans Um, no. That's not at all what that means. It means that I don't care about VR in any context, but if anyone stands a chance at sparking my interest in the technology, it would be Nintendo. That doesn't mean that it's a given that their involvement in VR WOULD get me interested, but that their involvement COULD POSSIBLY get me interested. See how that works?
And anyway, even if your interpretation of my comment were accurate, why would that matter? This is a Nintendo-centric site, not ign, and I'm a Nintendo fan. I play a lot of different games across a wide variety of non-Nintendo systems, but I have been particularly fond of Nintendo since the 80's, so naturally I am going to pay attention to just about anything they do. Which is why I'm here. On a site called "nintendolife".
I see Nintendo doing something more with Augmented Reality. I think the rumors have said as much when talking about the social experience on the NX. The rumor said to look towards Pokemon GO. There have been all kinds of rumors about a Nintendo-based IP that is a lot like GO. Personally, I think I fit more in line with AR, but I understand why the "hardcore" would want VR.
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I really don't fancy VR. The idea of being so immersed in the virtual that the actual can't be discerned is rather scary. I don't like the idea of not being aware of my environment. I'm clumsy and jumpy enough as it is.
@TheRealThanos Oh, I agree completely. It definitely has a place in gaming but the ideas that people like this guy have just seem a bit too optimistic. I don't think we're going to see a retail Nintendo VR anytime in the near future. Plus, the idea of people walking around with these things on their faces gives me the creeps.
@business-scrub Indeed, would become even more of a self-absorbed society than the one we're already in, with people even staring at their brightly lit smartphone screens at birthday's and other family gatherings...
No, like I said to @rjejr in the second half of comment #63, I fully expect any future commercial VR outings to be for the home console/PC only, unless we get a really good AR solution, like Google is aiming to do, even though the first concept of Google Glass has for all intents and purposes been thrown in the bin.
I have said this a number of times in previous posts about Nintendo making virtual reality happen with a 3DS style screen strapped to a persons face like goggles.
Now this professor seems to agree. Well thanks.
Nintendo has shown it can make 3D work on a small display. I can imagine Nintendo can extend the technology to work on a bigger screen with higher resolution for a wider viewing angle.
So why not have something which is a combination of a WiiU gamepad, a 3DS and a detachable head mount like on other smart phone VR devices.
I just read the story on the pricing of the PlayStation VR. $399 for the headset, but you still need to buy the PlayStation camera and the Move nunchucks. That is pushing $500.
I don't think Nintendo takes this kind of leap. That is too much for me. Who has ever heard of an add on being more than the console? If Nintendo tried this, Patcher would have a corinary. He'd throw them under the bus so fast...
@XCWarrior "And you can control the game with your mind."
I'm still hoping I'll live to see the Holodeck from Star Trek TNG in some form or other...
@XCWarrior "Somehow I think VR is some archaic tech that is no where near that ability."
@TheRealThanos "Taxes" I thought you lived in one of those "commie countries" where you just give the govt half, no problems. (speaking, of, Bernie got berned last night, he's done, no free college for my kids, Pres #Tump4Life)
My wife wouldn't need a 2nd set of googles, she could just watch on the TV - which is why I don't get VR headsets, just show it on my 52" tv, why do I need to mess up my hair? Gyro controls do the rest. Or let me put 3 sticker dots on my forehead and let the camera track me.
You should hop on over to Pushsquare, they spent all day yesterday talking about the new PSVR, lots and lots of comments, some of them weren't even mine. B/c I was busy watching election coverage.
http://www.pushsquare.com/search?query=playstation+vr&submit=Go
@ricklongo Me too, who on earth wants to play games with something strapped to their face?
@rjejr
You are still not being fair to Nintendo here, they offer the best 'couch multiplayer' experience of all the consoles. Yes the list you have made is slim and repeats itself on both consoles. But you have missed games like Tank Tank Tank, New Super Mario U, Wii Party U and many others. Also Mariokart and Smash Bros are regarded as possibly the best for this kind of game.
Your right though Nintendo does not need another platform in order to make three versions of the same thing. But they probably will.......
@rjejr The Dutch and being commies. You'd sooner see hell freeze over and pigs fly over the ocean while the sky would come crashing down...
As for the VR topic: your wife watching you play on the TV would completely defeat the whole purpose of VR in the first place, because displaying it on the TV means the 360 degree immersion into the game and 3D viewing is lost, which is why she definitely would need an extra set of goggles to see exactly what you see and be there with you in the game.
Look up some footage (if you haven't seen any already) from Oculus Rift displayed on a monitor, and you will see that it displays a screen with two separate pictures of the same image next to each other, to simulate your eyes. It looks like this:
but look up some footage anyway, because a still picture does not truly convey how uncomfortable it would be for a spectator to watch this all the while you are playing.
So in theory you could watch that, but it will probably be annoying as hell to see two slightly different versions of the same image all the time, and of course the person watching that wouldn't be "inside" the game world, like the wearer of the VR device would be.
And thanks for the invite, but I'm not into Sony, like at ALL, so I have no interest being on a site related to their console. Or any of their products, for that matter... (long story)
@wazlon Perhaps people who would like to experience something new and/or different and want to be more immersed into their gaming experience?
@rjejr Totally off-topic, but since you're so starved of NX-related news, I thought I'd show you another rumor. That Geno guy, who also revealed the names of the new Pokémon games and who copy/pasted that whole list of rumors concerning the NX hardware a while back (which was also reported here) has come up with a new rumor, this time concerning the big launch title for the NX.
Here ya go:
http://dualpixels.com/2016/03/14/rumor-luigis-mansion-on-nintendo-nx-details/
Enjoy!
@dew12333 " they offer the best 'couch multiplayer' experience of all the consoles."
Well as I said, they "used" to offer the best couch mutliplayer w/ SSB and MK, but now they offer AC:aF which nobody wants. (BAsed on all the AC amiibo flooding every store I am in.) I don't see that as being "unfair", I see that as trying to analyze the path Ntinedo is taking going forward. If they would just tlelus what NX was, I wouldn't have to try so hard, but that's what I see, a company leaning towards mobile - see the DeNA deal, and handheld. 2 of the best games I've played on my Wii U were XC (the original game, but I did play it on my Wii U) and Hyrule Warriors. Both of those games are now available to play on New 3DS. If a huge open world JRPG and a crazy mosou fighting game can be played on a handheld, it looks to me like Nintendo is leaning that way, making handheld games.
Oh, and for whatever reason, Tank Tank Tank my kids and I couldn't get into. We played it several times but it just was never fun. That game is also 3 years old, way before DeNA and Miitomo on mobile and HW:L and XC on 3DS.
@TheRealThanos Well, I'd say "know thy enemy" but that would be hypocritical of me b/c I never venture onto any MS sites. I'm not even sure what Hololens is. I do know what Surface is, it's that tablet all the NFL announcers keep referring to as "iPad" on the sidelines.
But you should have read up on the PS site about PSVR. PSVR has a "cinema mode" where ALL PS4 game scan be played in the headset as if it's a normal tv. Which makes me think my wife could see a "normal" version of what I'm watching on the VR on the tv screen.
And I also have some limited experience w/ my iPod touch and one of these. It was fun one day for about 20 minutes, then I traded in my iPod Touch to Amazon and bought a 7" Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 tablet.
@TheRealThanos Man, I almost hope that news is bogus, b/c then I would need to buy an NX at launch. Though it sounds legit. I'm still mad Luigi's Mansion 2 was a 3DS game and not on Wii or Wii U - the Wiimote+ was created to be a ghost vacuum. Also annoyed that 3DS got SSB, Hyrule Warriors Legends, XC, Luigis Mansion 2, and Wii U is getting only Paper Mario Sticker Star 2 in return. That's not a fair port balance by any means.
Really interesting thing, NX certainly sounds like a home console from that description, not a handheld w/ TV Out. Maybe NX Home is this year and NX Handheld - aka 4DS - is next holiday?
We'll know by E3, right?
@rjejr Ah, I see, that does look like some other form of VR then. Most of the current VR goggles, including the ones for consoles and smart phones, give you this dual image view, and that is of course to duplicate what your eyes see in the real world in order to be able to duplicate the "real view" effect of being in the game and seeing depth and all that, total immersion is the target for current and future VR appliances.
As for HoloLens, that is something I'm sure you could grow to like. And I would dare to bet that your children are going to love it from day one, seeing as it is simply an HD version of the AR games in the 3DS.
Here's the HoloLens Minecraft demo from last year's E3:
Now imagine seeing that on your own coffee table and in the comfort of your own home. What's not to like?
Thanks for the link, but I still don't get it. It looks like Wonderbook to me w/o the book. You ever play Wonderbook? It is NOT all that. Eye Pet was really cool though, I did the first few chapters of that.
I have seen this vid, which looks a lot like FaceRaiders on 3DS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29xnzxgCx6I
We may never get it though, no Xboxen allowed in the house.
You have your enemies, we have ours.
@rjejr What's not to get? If you have played the AR games with the cards (like the one with the boxes and the dragon) on 3DS, then this is exactly the same: it's VR without losing sight of the environment you're in - the thing that so many seem opposed to as far as having goggles on is concerned. HoloLens is gaming's Google Glass.
But I seriously want to play that, now I've seen the trailer you posted. Didn't know that one, and it certainly looks a whole lot cooler than Wonderbook, which is just plain stupid and more or less only for Harry Potter wannabe's and the like.
But since you posted that link, you should have checked out the first suggestion in the right hand list next to that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu0gM0_vxIM
It shows great potential for both business and educational purposes.
And here a top 5 of potential uses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh_7iQr5j-s
Oh, and the Xbox barrier in your household is only partially relevant: it's called Microsoft HoloLens and not Xbox HoloLens for a very good reason: it will also be available for PC owners, so no Xboxen in da house will be no issue...
Oh, and as far as enemies are concerned: my aversion to Sony has nothing to do with some idle fanboy hate of the Playstation brand, so it's no console bashing. They have screwed me over several times. Once with a VCR (yes I know, wààày back when), once with a TV (both had some issues and I got into a debate concerning which part was their responsibility under the terms of the warranty) and once with taking down Lik-Sang, an import website where I bought limited edition items, such as controllers and the like, and because of them taking down the site through a court case, the company went bankrupt and my latest order could never be sent, even though I had already paid, which cost me hundreds of dollars. Fool me once, fool me twice and all that, so to me, Sony is dead. I'll never support them again with any device.
@rjejr And you can't tell me that the majority of gamers won't think it is totally awesome to be able to directly manipulate your game like that. Imagine what it can do for genres like city building sims, real time strategy, sports management games and even overviews in racing games: project the entire track on your table or on your floor, just like those old electricity powered race tracks, with everyone sitting around it. The kids will be going nuts, trust me...
@TheRealThanos "project the entire track on your table or on your floor, just like those old electricity powered race tracks, with everyone sitting around it. The kids will be going nuts, trust me... "
OK, are you sure that's what is going on w/ Hololens "projection" b/c to me it just looks like you are seeing stuff in the glasses that isn't really out there. Like when you look into your 3DS screen and see your head flying around the room, but it really isn't.
This guy says the projection is "on those lenses" at 1:10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8nEHJyv92g
I know all of these vids kind of make it look like it is "projecting" but sometimes it looks like it isn't, it's just all in the glasses. Just like Wonderbook.
Though I could be misinterpreting you.
@rjejr Yeah, it's a bit of a misnomer to say projected, but it is for all intents and purposes projected for the user/wearer of the HoloLens visor, so that's what I meant. I'm a bit tired, busy week and all, so the brain's kind of overflowing. Tiny mistakes are bound to happen here or there...
But the whole attraction of it, to me at least, is the endless possibilities and I actually like it more than VR in some ways because of what it can add to "normal" gameplay, whereas VR can only be an added value in some type of games, like we agreed upon some time ago. So for platformers and such it's not useful, and with AR you could at the very least use the visor for the same purpose that most games on Wii U now use the GamePad for: maps/overviews, and even complete maps instead of just the part where you are and in strategic games you can see the entire battlefield without the need of having to scroll AND you can walk around it, manipulate characters etc. You don't have to use a large surface or a table by default though: you could even think of a small chest or backpack for inventory in Zelda or adventure games, to name but a few examples.
@rjejr Another added bonus in comparison to all other AR solutions up til now is that by wearing the visor, there's no need to be fiddling with angle of view or focus of camera, as is the case with 3DS or things like Playstation's Wonderbook (because the camera had to "find" the magic light ball on top of the Move controller) and with smartphones (makes me wonder how Pokémon GO! will turn out) you'll have the same problem. Just looking in a direction will be far more natural than having to swing a device around to aim or focus...
@TheRealThanos I know it would be immersive but think the novelty would wear off and I'd soon be wanting to take off the headset. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.
@wazlon Oh, no question about that. I also have to wait and see how the experience holds up long term. I've tried the Oculus out two separate times at computer shows, and I have to say I really liked it and if implemented in the right way, I can really see VR being a huge added value to some types of games.
The head set also isn't heavy, so it is quite comfortable to wear when sitting, and the same goes for most of the other headsets, such as the one for Playstation, Xbox and I also tried out the one for the Samsung smartphone.
But of course, that was at a show, and the time you can spend with it is relatively short, so I have no idea how it will hold up if you sit at home playing a game for a few hours. Maybe it's very exhausting for the eyes, since it isn't a natural form of 3D that you're seeing, but a digital emulation, and as far as I know the long term effects of that aren't known yet.
But like you said, we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out. Might be that Nintendo isn't even going to do any VR or AR; this is only a suspicion from one individual, so that basically means next to nothing...
@TheRealThanos "projected for the user/wearer"
I think I got confused when you said - "with everyone sitting around it. The kids will be going nuts, trust me..." - meaning the kids and I could all sit around a table and I could wear the hololens and they could see what I see. Which obviously isn't happening. And considering my kids almost always play videogames together or with me then we would need 2 pair of hololens, and I'm not sure they could ever link up enough so that both people were seeing the same thing in the same place. That's something to look into I guess. I'm asuming w/ VR you could get 2 PS4/PC an dplay together b/c it's realy just a tv attached to you face. AR is different in that regard.
@rjejr Yeah, that was on me again, buddy. I was doing a roller coaster ride in my brain seeing all of you wearing the AR visors, so you could all join in. That will probably also be possible somewhere along the line, since they would more or less replace controllers or at the very least be addons to controllers.
@rjejr Or maybe they would also sell some sort of commercial version of the device they used in the E3 demo, so you could project what you see onto a TV screen for spectators, although I don't know if the effect would be the same as in the E3 demo.
@TheRealThanos I'm sure they are heading for multiplayer-multiviewer, but I've never seen that demoed, always 1 person w/ 1 Hololens, so it may be awhile yet. Probably need 2 PCs to power it.
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