Japanese gaming veteran Sega has lowered its revenue and profit forecasts for the end of this fiscal year, citing increased competition and development delays for the revised projections.
Sega's revenue forecast for the fiscal year ending March 2016 has dropped by 65 billion Yen to 355 billion Yen. The impact on profit has been more dramatic, with operating income predicted to be 60 percent lower, dropping from 25 billion Yen to 10 billion Yen. Net profit - the actual amount of cash left at the end of the year after deductions - is going to be almost 90 percent lower than previously expected, dropping from 19 billion Yen to just 2 billion Yen.
So why has Sega so drastically changed its predictions? Well, its pachislot business is partly to blame, with sales expectations down from 265,000 units to 154,000 units. Its pachinko machine expectations are also down, dropping from 220,000 to 203,000 units.
Elsewhere, the "Entertainment Contents Business" - which is basically the division responsible for making video games - has felt the pressure of increased competition in the Japanese market. This has called for longer development times as a result, and that means less games to actually sell - the result of which is higher costs and less cash coming in to balance that.
Here's Sega's take on the revised projections:
Operating results of the Entertainment Contents Business for the current fiscal year is expected to fall below the initial forecast due to a delayed release schedule of mainstay titles against the initial plan in the packaged game software field and amusement machine field as well.
This is the second time that Sega has adjusted its forecasts in 2015. In September, it lowered its half-year revenue forecast by 22 percent, but ended up earning even less than that revised figure.
[source gamesindustry.biz]
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Protip 1: make a no-bovine-fecal-metter Sonic game (see Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations) and get the buckets ready to receive lots of cash.
Hope atlus doesn't have to find a new parent company again
@Artwark What a nice thing to say.
Major drops there!! Makes me wonder how much they have in production behind the scenes to have expected so much more at one point?
I'm not sure what is more terrifying: the projection cut... Or that picture. Yup, it's the picture. Who needs sleep anyway?
Why the f**k did all the good companies (SNK, Sega, Konami, etc.) I use to love all making Pachinko machines now? Quit that business and go back to making good games please.
Is Sammy still involved with Sega or is it just Sega now?
Yeah Sega keep running after the saturated AAA market and ignoring the people who are still waiting some arcade racers/beat'em up/sports games. Its not like you were the king of those genres at one point...
@Kolzig I think it's still Sega Sammy.
@Artwark You have a strange obsession with Sega,seen you blabbering about them a few times.That said,every post I see from you from now on,whether it be in the comments or forum will be dismissed as irrelevant!
Noooooooo, someone bail Atlus out
What has SEGA released this year except for some 3D classics, mobile games and DLC? I can't think of anything.
The thumbnail is absolutely glorious for the news.
Aww, that's bad news. It was kind of inevitable, releasing so many bad games over the years. I agree, longer dev time is needed on their games. Oh, how I wish they'd make a 2D Sonic game...
@Robotron2084 @OorWullie well then what about you then? You can't seem to admit that SEGA has done some stupid things lately and you don't seem to realize that besides the 3D Classics (which aren't from SEGA btw, they were done by M2 and SEGA just hired them.)
And its now only that they decide to take their sweet time making quality games? ghee, what losers! It took them years to realize this? oh wait make that another year because they have announced Fire and Ice on the way to next year.
If they go bankrupt, it will teach many third parties that they have to work hard to earn hard, simple as that.
Wow, poor Sega, no major big game to get excited for from them either (bar Atlus' Persona 5). Played Sonic Generations recently for the first time and had a blast, I don't want that the be the last great Sega/Sonic game for a long time, though it's already been about 5 years.
I think @Artwark has a point, though he/she could be nicer when saying it. This is basically the worst case scenario that Nintendo could be in looking 10/15 years into the future, if they're only making good Mario/Zelda games every leap year. Sega have dug their own grave, as they only recently admitted. Never forget their role in Aliens Colonial Marines, their abandoning of some of their franchises and their treatment of Sonic with 06 and Boom in particular.
@Kolzig He's still involved, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtm2FqUz0EY
You guys ready for Sonic Boom Fire and Ice to be the last Sonic game?
@Robotron2084 I can't understand the point here when its really not that hard to find jobs really. Sure for trainees its hard but I don't know if that's the same for experienced.
Anyways, companies can't assure jobs so its up to employees to take the risk whether its worth working for them or not and seeing as this being Japan where the opportunities are huge, I don't see how its a problem finding jobs there unless if they were stuck in a country like mine where its the complete opposite where jobs are extremely difficult to find.
@retro_player_22 Pachinko machines make easier money than video games do. And most AAA developers would follow suit if given the chance and declining sales of software. SNK did recently announce that they are focusing more on games though.
@Artwark I'm not sure if your assessment of the Japanese labour market is accurate.
@TheLastLugia @Artwark
Ex-Atlus, Sega still has Project Diva X (PS4/Vita), Valkyria Chronicles: Azure Revolution (PS4), Valkyria Chronicles Remaster (PS4), and, uh, various PC ports and another Sonic Boom game.
Last I checked, people are actually excited for them (okay, except for that Sonic Boom game)
Note that they released Stella Glow and 7th Dragon III: Code VFD for the 3DS this year in Japan. Both performed below expectations, if shipment numbers are to be believed.
@retro_player_22 It's funny that you say that because Sega does not make pachinko machines, its sister company Sammy does. These projections are for their parent company, Sega Sammy, which resulted from their merger.
And, SNK Playmore is shifting away from the pachinko business.
Surprise!
To quote the great Ivan Drago, "If they die, they die."
Nintendo in about 6 months should be able to buy out Sega (and Atlus) for about $75. Gives them a lot more IPs. Just hope they don't get outbid, but I doubt Microsoft or Sony want any of Sega's IPs. Atlus's IPs might see a bit more of a fight.
@Artwark Yeah! Think of how great it will be for all the families who have someone employed at SEGA to fall on hard times! That will make your life amazing!
@XCWarrior it is fascinating to me to wonder if something seemingly impossible 10-15 years ago could be edging closer and closer-that something being a merger between Nintendo and Sega, the so-called 'grandfathers' of video gaming. Do people see it as a possibility? I still can't see it but boy would it be big news. Possibly even just Soinc, Miyamoto, Tezsuka and the like making a proper Sonic game, I'd be excited, to say the least. Thoughts anyone?
@whiffy5 No, thank you.😛
@Artwark so you're wishing that hardworking honest folk lose their jobs? You are disgusting.
@Artwark Wow! Seriously, Wow!
I don't know what's worse, your complete lack of understanding of the Japanese Job Market or the general obliviousness on the "ease" of getting any sort of decent employment.
I would like to see a major change at Sega too or some sort of event that would see them managing to recapture some of their past as well as good revenue. But nothing along the lines where hundreds of not thousands of people find themselves out of a job.
Poor Sega, I hope things pick up for them.
@Artwark your talking all kinds of nonsense, and some of its quite nasty. Belive what you want but just stop and think before you post opinions as facts dude!
I hope they're making a really good main Sonic game for the 30th anniversary that will please the fans and make them a lot of money.
Dang, that's a ginormous miscalculation. Hopefully Yakuza will get them out of the slump next year.
They did say they have plans on a major re-structure along with some surprise game announcements which I never bothered to look up.
Totally classic Sega.
@Artwark considering they are still profitable, that's not about to happen anytime soon, I'd rather they just make better games than disappear.
Something is seriously wrong either with their predictions or elsewhere in the company. They really need to take action quickly to turn their business around.
I wish Sega went back to developing racing games. I guess there isn't a big enough market.
@Artwark bankruptcy by still making money? Sound logic for me
@Artwark
"...I don't see how its a problem finding jobs there unless if they were stuck in a country like mine where its the complete opposite where jobs are extremely difficult to find."
All levels of yikes with this comment. Funny how you mention it being easy to find jobs in another country that you do not live in, while saying it would be difficult for you to find one yourself.
I really hope Sega doesn't die, sonic is the only reason I still play Nintendo. If Sega dies, I'm done with gaming, sonic is that important to me.
@SuperWiiU Well they have another Mario+Sonic Olympics next year... XD
They just don't want to admit that they spent much money on their drunk, old blue rat mascot instead of making and localizing games that could actually sell.
Nintendo should buy their IPs that'll generate them some cash lol though there "mature" properties would certainly round out Nintendo's catalogue.
Please make a new Shinobi game and VF6 before you go under Sega. Thanks!
@Kirby_Fan_DL3 don't you like Kirby? 😉
Ouch...
@Artwark I'm sorry, I have to say this: When people say bad things about Nintendo, you have a problem. But when you go around saying that Sega should go bankrupt? Perfectly okay!
I hope someone good buys the Jet Set and Valkyria IP's. This smells like impending bankruptcy. Sad to see the once mighty Sega become a shell of its former self.
That kind of move is sure to piss off some shareholders.
But it's better they get pissed off at the same time, rather than gradually getting dismayed with results.
Unfortunately Sega brought this on themselves by losing the trust of their fans who love their various game IP. Take the time to make a quality game and the fans will buy it, it really is that simple but at this point after so many years of neglecting their franchises I can't help but think that the damage to their reputation is irreperable. I wish the best for them though since I actually really enjoyed Sonic Lost World despite all of its problems.
I'd be interested to find out what's happening internally at Sega. Do they need programmers or something? I just don't understand how a company could go wrong with the all the different game series they own.
If they go bankrupt I hope sonic team and atlas get bought out by a better company :/ I bet if Nintendo made a proper sonic game it could be awesome, look how well he plays in smash bros as a basic example.
@TheLastLugia I'd want to see it, however, few things:
Nintendo is older than Sega, both are younger than Atari. So Atari is the grandfather, but I could be wrong and there might be something before them. But they really got the home console scene started.
And this is just my personal opinion, but outside of 2 or 3 Sonic games, MOST of them are bad. People just have this insane Nostalgia for Sonic 2, 3 and I guess Knuckles. You can throw a few GBA titles in there if you want. The rest are good but not memorable.
Sega has other IPs I'd rather see reborn, like Shining Force, but it's basically Fire Emblem, so that wouldn't do much good for Nintendo.
Though if nothing else, Nintendo could have more VC titles to offer people.
First is was dlc, then on-disc day 1 dlc, then microtransactions, then mobile ports and now pachinko machines. These companies will always find new ways to profit.
@XCWarrior "Though if nothing else, Nintendo could have more VC titles to offer people." Which of course would be available in all regions except NA, lets remember here that NA Wii U VC doesn't even have Metroid Zero Mission yet which is a quintessential GBA game!
19 billion to 2 billion, that's quite a drop. But at least they're expecting it.
If they would just give us a real Sonic Adventure 3 already, this would all be good again....ok, i know that's not the case, but I still wish. Honestly I haven't liked the direction they have went with that series for almost 10 years now.
o.0 If Nintendo bought Atlus/Sega, you can kiss most of the niche japanese titles good bye.
Sega has always been mismanaged. They floated water because during the Genesis days they had Kalinske, but they pissed that away, got bailed out. They had talented developers, some of the best in the industry, but many of them have moved on.
Personally I think their parent company should break Sega up, make small companies that focus on game development with low management overhead.
And fire all their incompetent managers.
Oooooooh, I hope they keep going. They have the keys to both Atlus' games and their own Valkyria Chronicles series. Both of which I hope find major success next year.
That's a big chunk of money lost there.
I wonder how another company would handle Sonic. Anyone besides Nintendo would probably give it a gritty reboot. Actually I would like Namco to handle him if his license went of for sale. Namco really seems to be holding their own with quality licensed anime titles. And all their games are so colorful. I could see them doing a decent Sonic game. I mean the latest Pacman games were ok, if not just a bit too rushed.
SAAAAAAY-GUUUUUUOHMYGAWDSAVEYOURSELVES!
If only they had released PSO2 in the US.
I wish that the deal with Sega that brought the duds of Sonic games would have brought titles like Football Manager, a Phantasy Star game, and Alien Isolation instead of the mess of Sonic that we got. Football Manager and Phantasy Star both would have fit well with the tablet interface.
@Mijzelffan It shows you who's in it for just the money rather than to genuinely make games. Good riddance.
It would help if some of the games they make actually came to other regions. Phantasy Star, Yakuza for Wii U.
There's none to bail you out this time SEGA. I wonder what Sonic would look like as a Nintendo IP?
Well sadly this could mean bankruptcy for Sega if another failed game like sonic boom gets released. And they have a ton of other games they could release besides sonic games.
@luke88 oh
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yeah I guess
pretend I didn't say that
about the not playing games thing
I don't know much about what is going on at Sega, but it seems like they have been a mess for a really long time. One good Sonic game is probably not enough to fix that. I don't want them to disappear, but every year it seems more inevitable.
@simonthomas6 You mean older IPs that nobody really cares about? I mean who is clamoring for are new Golden Axe or Shining Force when they have Fire Emblem?
@TheWPCTraveler don't forget that sega hard girls crossover on the vita
@empsolo lots of people want a new jet grind radio and a new streets of rage.
Wow the comments are getting heated over this one guy's comment...
I don't know what to say except please don't make scum out of yourselves by telling him he's scum, if you know what I mean.
This is the internet people, there are ridiculous comments just so those comments can get attention!!!
I find the lack of understanding on the other side a bit interesting...of course not all the replies but some of them.
As @MasterWario says, please people, stop with the bashing.
You disagree with a comment? That's completely OK.
What's not OK is being so nasty about it.
I bet if Nintendo bought Sega they could revive their beloved franchises, I mean look at Splatoon. . . brand new IP and it's a hit.
Ouch. Welp, if the pachislot market is dying, guess you'd better get back to making real video games, eh?
@Artwark That's not very nice. Bad show, sir.
Funny that people think the key to Sega's success is to make a good Sonic game, but forget that he isn't as popular in Japan than in the West and doesn't sell as much there.
@kyuubikid213
!! Hey!! I sometimes watch your youtube channel!!
@Artwark
you know, I kind of get where you're coming from. I love the original 4 Silent Hill games but Konami seems to be doing their best to get me to hate them. Crappy treatment of Kojima, cancellation of Silent Hills, and just general bad treatment for Silent Hill in general since Team Silent ended. So I totally get where that anger comes from. That being said, Japan is in the beginning of another recession at the moment. So a company like Sega going under is very, very bad news for everyone involved.
@Utena-mobile Thank you for that. I appreciate it very much.
@empsolo fire emblem has nothing to do with sega and people want older titles to have remasters or re-released old games like streets of rage.
@Artwark youre better off wishing Konami goes bankrupt than Sega(Good GOD that move konami pulled at the game awards...screw konami ) , so why bother hoping for them to go bust they haven't done anything remotely wrong.
Aw man, were never getting Virtua Fighter 6
Nintendo should buy up Segas properties. VF6 for NX plz and thank you
@faint Yeah we want new jet grind radio and a new streets of rage and Crazy Taxi and Shinobi and Virtua Striker and Sega Rally and Virtua Fighter but the people who made those games left Sega long time ago. Actual Sega is an empty zombie outsourcing their IP to mediocre studios for small budget
Nintendo buy SEGA or make sonic adventure 3 which even if there are knuckles stages, will print money.
Getting out of the console business sure did the trick, eh Sega? Abandoning all of us who bought a Dreamcast and and every big game for it domestically, that definitely changed your fortunes and kept the Sega business and legacy alive, right?
Just merge with Nintendo. Two clueless dinosaurs on their way to total irrelevance and extinction, together as one at last. Its like poetry.
I hate to be ~that~ guy, but for @damo
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/less-or-fewer
This is a super common error I see overlooked here all the time and once understood it'll make all the instances in which it goes overlooked by the writers and editors cringe. Or maybe that's just me. Just a little tip :+1:
Good. They're finally realizing what a terrible, terrible idea Sonic Boom was.
Please be nice.-Morpheel
Sega has forgotten on how to make good games. I missed the days of genesis going head to head with the snes. They have a lot of great ip, but it seems like they're all buried and forgotten or milked to death with little to no quality.
Sell Sonic 'n' 'nem to Nintendo!! By the by, didn't they hint at a crossover of some type.
The artwork is hideous, but very necessary.
Also, Konami should REALLY sell Bomberman to Nintendo, too! Or Ninty should make a really good knockoff of it. "Mario Blasters!!" using Bob-ombs! ...It'll make millions...
I don't like a good deal of the games they've put out in recent years...but I freaking love Project Diva (and it's spin offs) so I hope they can pull through. I don't want anyone to loose their jobs, so I wish the company the best.
@Technosphile To be fair, Sega would not have survived for very long with both Nintendo and Microsoft entering the fight with the Gamecube and Xbox.
They were already being destoryed by the PS2, and the Gamecube and Xbox would have been even more powerful consoles that were backed by companies with deeper pockets.
Sega could have made the jump to being a third-party developer. They had the IPs and the fanbase to do it. Their problem was making crappy, rushed games and tossing them out onto the market.
With that poorly thought out strategy, Sega could not even compete with other Japanese developers, much less the big boys like EA, Activision, and Ubisoft.
And I agree with you about the Dinosaur comment. I love Nintendo, but they are losing their place in the gaming business with each passing day. Now, it seems like its a battle between Playstation, Xbox, and PC, with Nintendo platforms shoved off in a corner.
Poor Sega. I'll always remember the good times.
I see that a lot of people want Nintendo to buy Sega...
You know that's going to do nothing, right? Sega and Sonic Team will still be making the games, the only difference is that Nintendo will advertise and maybe produce the games.
@simonthomas6
Thankfully Geoff made Kojima's absence a moot point in less than a minute, in one of the most amazing middle fingers ever flipped to Konami.
@Kirby_Fan_DL3
Which would still help a lot.
Still waiting for the Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed sequel. Anyways, they haven't released anything worthwhile in this year.
Look Sega all you have to do is make a GOOD Sonic game. Just make similar to Generations and you might do well. Or you know, finish a game before you rush it out.
@Artwark wow that's messed up! I know Sega not what it once was but they have the greatest collection of classic games in their vault next to anyone including the big N
The problem is they're making one moronic decision after another just like Nintendo!
The difference? Nintendo has a ton more cash at hand to sustain itself while they hopefully right the ship with the NX!
Back to Sega and those classics....they should be posting them up left and right in Xbox live, PSN and the eshop sit back and watch the cash roll in!!! But they're not for whatever reason! Wasting their opportunities with this! Oh and they need great sonic games by SONIC TEAM not Big Red Button...whoever the hell they are!!
@XCWarrior only problem with that wishful thinking is Nintendo can't even handle their own IP's at least on Wii u anyway!
They can't seem to handle anything last few years with Wii u and NOA in particular needs to pull their head out their ass!!!
@Kirby_Fan_DL3 Nintendo? Advertise? Where? Where?? Lol
7th Dragon III: Code looked like a cool game, I hope Sega makes a turnaround and is able to release this in NA
Sonic 1,2,3 & knuckles- streets of rage 1-3, house of the dead 1-4, afterburner. outrun. Jet set radio, Daytona USA, clockwork knight, shining force series. Golden ax, kid chameleon, virtua racing, virtua tennis, virtua fighter series, Sega rally championship, zaxxon, Congo bongo, quartet, fantasy zone I&II, virtua cop I&II, Turbo, E-swat, Turbo outrun, crazy taxi, nights into dreams, carnival, Subroc 3-D, gunstar heroes, Power Drift, Toe jam n Earl I&II, Phantasy Star series, Sports talk baseball, Alex Kidd, World Series baseball, teddy boy, action fighter, super hang on, Columns, Shinobi series, Sonic CD, Ecco the dolphin and soooo many others!!!! MISS YOU SEGA!!!!!
Aren't Sonic Team still working on the multi-platform Sonic that was suppose to release this year but was delayed until next year? Sounds like that will be quite a game to witness. In a positive note.
Nintendo - Sega merger soon? System exclusive Atlus (Persona, SMT), full access to Sega classics, a full library of Sega games to choose from (MK, Smash and sports titles with more varied line-ups and better online) as well as a vast assortment of RPGs to pick from. Without just FE, it could actually become a distinctively 'Nintendo' genre. How it was on the NES and SNES. Then again, someone with vision would have to be present in order to make it worthwhile. The fact is, even if Sega dies, they're still going to live on through the legacy they've created.
@SahashraLA Well said.
@Artwark Japan has plenty of employment issues actually. Companies are stuck paying high salaries to older people due to seniority practices in Japan.
New employees get paid really poorly for the promise of getting paid really well later.
You don't want to lose your job there anymore than you would elsewhere.
Aliens Colonial Marines and then Sonic Boom - no wonder people hate Sega. They should give Sonic to Nintendo for free. Atleast the auld enemy will save him from CRAP standards.
@joey302 Sonic Team have been disastrous since Sonic Dreamcast bar the odd good 2D game.
@Artwark SEGA helped create the golden era of gaming in the 90s, it's competition with Nintendo meant we were subject to some of the most amazing games, a lot of which are still amazing to play. With SEGA we've got a lot to be thankful for and I for one hope they listen to their fans and make the sonic game everyone has been asking for.
Really hope they recover, one of my happiest gaming memories is Somic Adventure on the dreamcast. Mixing gameplay with rpg elements was inspired and I loved the cheesy music and voice acting.
Sad that Sega is coming towards a bad era. i honestly (and i don't want be this guy), hope that they don't get bought.
let me say this, if sega get bought, it's not only Nintendo going try buy the IP's other compiles could as well (like saints row now part of deep silver) would you really want Konami, EA or Ubisoft getting these IPs? if sega does get bought i really, really, hope Nintendo, Microsoft (and even tho i don't own a PS4), Sony get's some of the IPs before other third parties does. (look what happen to Bomberman.) yeah, let's face the facts Sonic Boom was awful, i'll give credit for Nintendo on Sonic Lost World and Sonic Color (because those are ok Sonic games)
@WaveGhoul Very well said.
Quickly protect the atlus!
@sonicmeerkat should i get the wooden sword
That's what you get for making poop$!epoop like Sonic Boom.
@Sligeach And Mario Tennis, and Amiibo Festival, and Game and Wario...
There's very little Sega can do now, since they've lost most of the talent.
Sammy is not interested in console and handheld gaming anymore.
They barely release anything on PC/MAC.
All of Sega's focus is on a few big name games, mobile and Pachinko machines Since Sammy bought them out
@Darknyht there is a mobile device version of Football Manager.
@Aozz I still remember what Microsoft did after buying FASA, of Mech Warrior and Shadowrun. No, I do not want Microsoft buying any good IPs.
@WaveGhoul
Capcom is fine.
What happen to Capcom was simple, investors demanded the management increase profits like Western developers did. They saw the COD and Assassins Creed profits and forced management to comply.
Mega man never was high selling franchise, only 3 games broke 1M sales globally to date.
Mega Man 9 and 10 bombed miraculously on PS3, Xbox 360, and Steam barely selling any at all.
The Wii versions did better, but non broke 100k with all versions combined.
Power Stone bombed really bad.
Viewtiful Joe 1 & 2 only sold ~300k each on Gamecube, selling ~100k each on PS2. The spin off games sold even less.
Ghost n' Goblins did really bad in sales too.
Nearly all of Capcom's games not named Resident Evil and Street Fighter did poorly in the West post PS1.
I'll put it to you this way:
Resident Evil and Street Fighter were the only 2 Capcom series to do well in HD era in the West.
Monster Hunter has only sold over million in the West on Nintendo systems.
Only Monster Hunter 3 (Wii), 3U (Wii U), 3U (3DS), MH4 (3DS), MH4U (3DS), and Monster Hunter X (3DS) broke 1M+ in the West. The PS MH games did horrible.
Capcom cannot justify continuously making bad selling games to their shareholders, since they are publicly traded company.
As long as the West is hell bent on only buying AAA blockbuster games as a general rule, you won't get see those lesser selling games being released in the West.
@WaveGhoul Would be great to see another Power stone and Viewtiful Joe game . Hell, I'd be happy with either of those titles getting a re-release on any console.
Mega man 11 would be a day one purchace for me.
@joey302 They goofed on a few IPs. They did great on others on WiiU.
Great:
Super Mario Maker + Super Mario 3D WOrld
DK Tropical Freeze
Splatoon
Brawl
Xenoblade
Mario Kart 8
Pikmin 3 (not they're fault no one bought it, reviewed well)
NES Remix 1+2
Solid:
Wind Waker (Remakes are remakes to me and are never great)
NSMBU
Capn Toad
Yoshi Wooly World
Wonderful 1101
Kirby
Goofed:
Amiibo Festival
Mario Tennis
Wii Sports Club
Wii Fit U
Mario Party 10
Wii Party
Game & Wario
Pokemon Rumble U
I'm probably missing a few, but most of the games Nintendo did wrong on WIiU this generation were their party games. A lot of lazy attempts to cash in. Might be why (in part) they lost the Blue Ocean.
But don't say they are doing everything wrong. Their biggest flaw this gen has been their marketing, or lack there of.
@XCWarrior was actually referring to frequency of appearance vs quality. FZero,waves race etc etc lol
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