Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Competitive Scene Gets Shaken Up as ZeRo is Finally Defeated

LOL. Wow, way to hide being a sore loser behind happy emoticons. "I Can't wint them all.... but I'm taking my ball and going home and not playing with anyone anymore."

Note: I'm LOLing at the whole gaming competitive scene. Really annoyed by all the coverage its getting. I play games, I compete with friends, I don't want to watch other people play games.

Hallelujah, disliked ZeRo anyways.

And this is why Sakurai hates the competitive smash players.

@BenAV I'm more just annoyed he's being a sore loser, which is never good to see. He should be at the next tournament barring a family commitment to try and regain his honor. Not a time to take a break.

@XCWarrior Way to show how you suck at games by saying you don't care about the competitive scene.

Also please refreain from talking smaack if you don't know anything, thank you.

The comment sections on this site are always so toxic when it's about competitive Smash. I guess that's what happens when so many people blindly accept whatever the game's creator believes is the right way to play the game instead of understanding that games can be played however they allow players to do so. There isn't even a single person that commented so far who congratulated Nairo on winning, just hate for players in the scene right from the get-go.

It's good to see that other players can win tournaments that ZeRo enters. More competition is always a good thing, and both players did a great job.

@XCWarrior At least he's not whining on the internet, and being jealous that other people are more well known than him. It doesn't matter if he's actually upset about losing, congratulating the other player is the exact opposite of being a sore loser.

" Way to show how you suck at games by saying you don't care about the competitive scene."

How do these two things even relate to each other?

@XCWarrior He has been having some issues, last tournament he wasn't giving his all which is why he lost, he didn't even wanted to compete but people convinced him.
And how is he being a sore loser? Nairo is one of his closests friends so of course he is happy for him, plus think about it, he plays Smash for a living (no joke) so of course he gets burned out once in a while.

Wow. I'm really confused by the above comments. For years gamers have wanted to world at large to take their hobby seriously and accept that high-level gamers have some skills equivalent to that of some professional athletes and at a minimum, shouldn't be written off as nerds or geeks, because gaming can be every bit as compelling as professional sports. Finally we have professional gaming leagues and the stand out stars that go with them, and people start hatin' on them. They are no worse than the boastful athletes. And yet many idolize the sports star narcissists.

On top of that, there's these insane comments that he's somehow been a sore loser. Where in the heck did you get that from? Are you mind readers? Psychics? Jealous much? I saw nothing in those comments that was sour grapes or even passive-aggressive. He was being genuinely cool about the whole thing. I mean, it's not just twisting his words ridiculously, words have been put in his mouth. Honestly, I just read what appeared to be a bunch of jealous people bash a guy for things he never said. Things that those same people with 'gamer envy' made up in this thread and attributed to his thought process. I really don't get it.

Also, a question: Have any of you done professional... anything... that has required you to compete repeatedly and travel like he did? Of course you're going to take a break; you rest up, recover from all of the travelling, figure out what happened/how you just got beaten and maybe... just maybe... play for the pure fun of it so you don't lose sight of what made you want to kick butt in the first place. Oh... and, you know... catch up on the life you put on hold.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Who?

@Tsusasi As someone who watches professional sports, any player who wins a title eventually becomes hated beyond people not rooting for his team. This is no different. Look at Tom Brady.... err nevermind, most of you don't want sports.

@shinokami Before 2 children, any game I played I was generally one of the best at when playing online. Now my playtime is cut down by a lot, so, with my little free time, I want to PLAY games, not watch other people play them.

As for Zero, to lose and then say I'm not playing next time is a polite way of being a sore loser. If I had a winning streak, then lost, I'd want to get right back into the next tournament, win AND then say I need a break. Unless he wants to retire, in which case we can talk about his hall of fame credentials.

Congratulations Nairo!

@XCWarrior Sounds like a personal problem to me and the fact you using your kids as an excuse is sad because I have 3, also this is not the first time he has taken a break so like I said if you don't know what you are talking about just shush.

Good.

@shinokami Sorry I decided to spend more time with my kids when they are awake then you have apparently????

And this is my last comment regardless of your next reply. You like egaming, and that's great. I don't, and that's great too. And we don't agree on how he's bowing out, and that's great too. That's the thing with opinions, they are opinions.

@XCWarrior That's what I thought, run away

About time ZeRo loses. Glad my boy Nairo of all people took him out, too. Well deserved.

@XCWarrior Just stop man, if you actually had any idea of the situation you'd know ZeRo was happy for Nairo. The two of them train and partner at many events.

Edit: And why complain when you don't even watch?

Good for those who enjoy competitive for this game. While I personally loathe the competitive scene for this game, it's still nice to see other people taking major tournaments besides Zero.

@XCWarrior Yeah... see, that still doesn't excuse character assassination, good old fashion 'hatin', and libel. None of the statements about how he handled this nor the supplementary 'inner dialogue' as written by people above can actually be attributed to him. It's crap. And ridiculous..

Also, You seem to reeeeeally want to continue your streak of being painfully wrong today... and of being condescending, as well as caught up in sad stereotypes from the 90s. I played football, soccer, baseball... I was on swim team, in the military (Army), I am a combat veteran, and a former east coast freestyle B-Boy... I still go to college ball games, and play sports and exercise with my daughter as much as possible. And I still dance, make indy films (Both in front of and behind the camera - several with very physical fight scenes, most with physical comedy). I and all of my hardcore gaming buddies have been in organized sports. Many still are... and all are football fans (some soccer too). I personally only like watching sports live (Not a big fan of watching on TV. Looses so much of the fun, but I catch the highlights).

Several of them are also veterans and very active. So as you can see, you're so very wrong it actually makes me embarrassed for you. Stop with the stereotypes already. Thank you.

@XCWarrior How the hell is he being a sore loser? I follow the competitive scene, ZeRo is a huge cry baby, but this is the first time I see him being legitimately satisfied with a loss. You don't have to win to be content. You learn a lot from a loss, but even then, ZeRo has a 56 tournament win streak. It's a huge burden taken off his shoulders to not have to worry about the streak anymore and the hate and eye rolls he gets every time he wins. He and Nairo have been rivals for the longest time. He's sincerely happy for him.

@DiSTANToblivion This is pretty much true for the final rounds. On the preliminary rounds you see more character variety.

@XCWarrior "The whole gaming competitive scene"
You know that they are other stuff in the scene than watching someone else play?
But of course, you making assumptions of something you don't know about because you hate it is more LOL :>

@Fuz Yup. Agreed.

@Retro_on_theGo Exactly.

^ Angry comments = sucky smash players, guaranteed.

@XCWarrior Every single thing you've written here is utterly ridiculous. Must be some kind of record for the NL comment section.

@Fazermint This, on the other hand, is my favorite comment in a while.

Anyway, I was watching this tournament yesterday after coming back from an awesome local Smash meet-up/tournament myself, and I was so tired by the time of the last few matches that for the first time ever I made the decision to turn off my computer and go to sleep, assuming the result would be the usual going by Nairo's performance against Esam. Little did I know this would happen, wow.

I am no hater of ZeRo - in fact, I quite enjoy watching him play - but nevertheless this is a great moment of victory for Nairo, as well as a turning point for the Sm4sh scene, and I'm really glad for him. I wish the best for both of the finalists as well as the rest of competitive players. You guys are the reason why this game keeps on growing.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have two sets of Grand Finals to watch~

I can see exactly why this guy doesn't have to worry about finally getting defeated in Smash.

@XCWarrior You talk like you know him and clearly you don't.

He had a 56-tournament streak, and had admitted the stress was getting the best of him. He almost lost at The Big House 5 when he was admittedly depressed and his mind was elsewhere. Zero wears his emotions on his sleeve. If he didn't mean that he was okay with this loss, he'd have admitted it by now.

And competitive smash is awesome. That's fine that you don't care about it, but it's pretty selfish to be upset that it's popular simply because you don't like to watch it.

_{@Manticore416 No need for insults. (Jazzer)}

@Tsusasi I assassinated someone? OK... I work 2 jobs, I run competitively, I take care of my kids, and I game. Before the 2 jobs + kids, I used to be able to game like 25+ hours a week. Now... between WiiU and 3DS, I get maybe 35 hours in the month. Priorities change. People choose to do whatever they want, and that's fine. And I'm cool with it. I just don't like Zero's tone, and that's just my opinion.

@Retro_on_theGo " I follow the competitive scene, ZeRo is a huge cry baby" ...I rest my case. People can sounds legit when they actually aren't.

@Gridatttack I don't hate egmaing, I'm just not interested in it. Don't make up your own words you think I said, never used the word "hate."

Wait, this was in New Orleans? Ugh, someone should have told me.

@Manticore416 Great, wonderful. He's the greatest gamer of all time, no need to do any more tournaments. I'm not selfish or upset... if I was selfish or upset, I'd probably be saying something like, "He only had a 56-game wining streak because I never showed up to a tourney" or yadada.

Nintendolife must be loving me right now, the only reason this story is getting any comments is because of my back and forth with people... ugh I'm giving them a problem. It's all good, and I'm getting huge laugh out of the whole thing.

I'm surprised there was over 50 Smash competitions already

@XCWarrior lol don't reply anymore pal, it's getting outta hand! You're entitled to your opinion, same as every other person. No need to attack him everyone, disagree sure, make your point but... don't think there's any need for some of the nastier comments here? In my opinion, obviously

@MJKOP I agree totally. I wish I could stop email notifications for just this specific story... and I don't even remember what the story was about anymore. I think the NES is being remastered into portable form, right?

He won 56 tournaments, no wonder if he wants a break and not just because he lost this time.

The ending of that last fight was awesome. So funny and awesome at the same time when announcers get just as excited as the crowd.

@XCWarrior
He's been publicly planning this break for a while. He's previously mentioned that he's beginning to see a therapist to help him deal with his issues, because he has more going on in his life than just competitive Smash.

@DiSTANToblivion
That's certainly true with Melee (there are only a handful of "tournament-viable" characters), but in Smash 4 you'll see a much larger selection of characters being played in top tournaments.

@DiSTANToblivion
That's certainly true with Melee (there are only a handful of "tournament-viable" characters), but in Smash 4 you'll see a much larger selection of characters being played in top tournaments.

@XCWarrior
I'm not into watching the competitive scene, not a fan as yourself but your comments are pathetic.

@XCWarrior You're laughing at and annoyed by something people enjoy because you have no interest in it? Who's the sore one, again?

@Tsusasi I think it is more the fact that these gamers don't really do much and often times, it seems like people try to put them higher than athletes who train daily and endure stress, pain and everything just so succeed and strive to be the best. If someone insults their way of life, they and other gamers usually flock and become very toxic, take a look at what happened to Jimmy Fallon when he wonder what was so great. Personally, I'd never put professional gaming on the level of profession spots like Football, Hockey, etc.. The endurance and pain and work that an athlete for sports goes through is far more than what any professional gamer would go through.

@XCWarrior "This guy is so amazing! He strategically tapped buttons, and beat another person who was also strategically pressing buttons!"

To each his own means of amusement, I guess, but I'd much rather play a game myself (although I haven't even been doing much of that, lately; I've always told myself that I'd never outgrow video games, but I haven't been too interested, for the past few weeks).

Insert comment about just now figuring out MLG is a real thing and isn't related to Mountain Dew, or Doritos

Cool matches to watch, makes me want to play competitively. I do wish they would change zero suit samus. I hate that the only real combo is throw to up airs and up Bs. Theres zero counter play once you get grabbed which sucks and it's also just not a fun way to play as ZSS. Several characters have stuff like this but right now ZSS has the strongest case of this

@Mus1cLov3r Anything can be simplified to make it look easy.

@shinokami Uh, last I checked, you can't exactly "run away" from someone on the internet... Just sayin'.

@Storytime7 And? If anything, I'm over-complicating Smash Bros., since it barely requires any strategy whatsoever (this being from many hours of personal experience).

ZeRo lost? Didn't see that coming.

Here's a joke. ZeRo, Alpharadd, Mew2king and Ken Hoang all walk into a bar...

... then various Nintendo character get violently thrown out of the window.

I got nothin'.

I shouldn't have read these comments. I don't play online very much, and not that many of my firends play Smash, but I LOVE watching these tournaments after school every day, before I go to bed. I guess there are still tons of people out there who will never understand the excitement of watching pro-Smashers duke it out... :/ (TBH I do also watch matches in a few other games too, such as SSF2T or SSBM, but SSB4 is my main watched game...)

I really want to compete in a Tournanent. But at the same time I don't want to be associated with the competitive/Melee community. They seem really hostile and kinda take the fun out of the game. I probably wouldn't get far in a Tournanent though. My FG win rate is only 78% lol. But check out my smash vids on YT. My channel is MalikJC.

@Mus1cLov3r "Amazing! He dribbled the ball down the court and threw it into hoop while other guys where trying to stop him from doing so!"

And guess what? Smash requires a ton of stratergy to play at this high level: the ability to predict and mess with your opponent while keeping him from doing likewise, all requiring a very fast reaction speed.
I've logged hundreds of hours into Brawl and 4, and I don't go around trashing the game for simplicity.

Anyway, everybody wins here. Nairo wins literally. ZeRo's finally taking a long-deserved break. And the scene in general gets shaken up.

@EmmatheBest I feel the same, trying to refrain from replying to the people that clearly no NOTHING about the competitive Smash scene and are just acting like jerks. I don't really watch competitive games, but Smash is the exception to that. Melee is an amazingly technical game, and Sm4sh (especially the top 8 this tourney) was fun to watch because everyone was gunning for Zero's title. I don't think people realize how much skill goes into games like Smash and the insane precision, knowledge, and mind games that go on.

I feel as though Smash/competitive gaming-related news always bring out the worst of this site's readers/commenters. Not to overlook the worthwhile posts in here, but much of this is just ill-natured, ignorant, ugly... cancerous. It denotes an abundance of the kind of people who think they can do no wrong and that everything others can do and they don't is not worth anyone's time. The kind of people who get defensive at the slightest hint of their inferiority or a mistake.

It's just plain off-putting when it comes to participating, and I don't think the excellent writers in this news site warrant such behavior. But that's the sort of people who've settled in here and that's never likely to change soon.

@EmmatheBest everyone enjoys different things. If you enjoy it, great. I don't like it, but I'm not telling you not to watch or not pay attention. Clearly there is now a market.

@CrazedCavalier I'll be impressed when they can strategize for items, especially the random ones.

@Dr_Corndog Who knows, but I'm getting a good laugh!

@Mus1cLov3r LOL, ditto.

@CrazedCavalier You use that example, as if I watch sports; I can hardly stand sports, whether it be American football, soccer, basketball, golf—you name a sport, I most-likely don't watch it. But at least (most of) those other sports promote teamwork, and get the player some/ lots of exercise. Or are there team-based Smash tournaments?

Or you can—as evidenced by Smash 4's For Glory mode—spam constantly, and you'll do just as well (if not better) than those who use skill in their matches. And you can't predict someone's moves, unless you're a psychic, which I'm sure you're not. Besides, I'm not trashing the series—it's very fun, in my opinion. I'm simply saying that it doesn't require skill; you can use skill all you want, but it isn't required.

Nairo's always one of the more fun to watch, grats.

@Mus1cLov3r Literally everything you just said can be corrected. First, while sports do promote physical exercise, gaming, especially professional gaming, has been proven to raise reaction time, intelligence, and dexterity. Second, not only are there team based tourneys, but there are multiple different kinds of team based brackets - crew battles, where a team has a limited amount of stocks, as well as doubles team battles and, in the case of smash 4, triples team battles, Both players have to coordinate and work as a team to win. Third, have you ever watched a pro player play on for glory? There are many ways of dealing with spammers, and spamming is almost useless now thanks to multiple approach options. As long as you actually think about what you're doing, and, you know, use that nifty brain thing we all have, spammers are actually very easily defeated. Fourth, there's a little thing called reading your opponent, not sure if you've heard of it. It actually utilizes cerebral function, so it may take some practice for you. By seeing the opponent's patterns, you can predict their next moves, and counter them. Finally, please watch the video in the article. No skill? Are you kidding me? Their reactions, their precision, their knowledge of the game - this takes years to master. At the level these guys play at, I would argue that this takes much more skill than traditional sports. Learn the facts, then come back.

@Mus1cLov3r Spamming constantly only works against people who THINK they're skilled, but are actually just as bad except pressing more buttons. Any competitive player with half a brain will punish your every attempt at ''fighting'' like that.

And yes, of course the game does not require skill. If all you aim for is beating a couple of ten year olds in the hellhole that is For Glory, that is.

@SSS39 Thank you for this post.

@LinkSword You're very welcome. It needed to be said.

I'd take a break too. He did his run, now he can chill and see if anyone actually beats him.(stays undefeated as long as he did/gets as much recognition) That's how I think of it anyway.

@SSS39 : The game hasn't even been out for a year. I understand that there was Melee and Brawl, and the other Smash but this is still a different game. Other than that I agree but you seemed a bit off to me somehow...meh.

@SSS39 1) How is this first one "corrected"? I never said that video games don't help with anything; I said that sports helps with exercise. Learn to read. And either way, reaction time, dexerity, and intelligence serve no purpose for you if you're dead, due to a heart attack caused by lack of exercise. Are all of them important? Sure, but exercise is the most important of all.
2) After saying that most of these sports help with teamwork, I clearly stated: "Or are there team-based Smash tournaments?" Once again, learn to read: reading is very helpful in life, in case you aren't aware.
3) No, I can honestly say that I haven't watched a professional, because I don't care.
4) That generally doesn't work; there's a thing called variety.
5) Where have I said that these guys don't have skill? I said that it doesn't require. You really should take a reading class, or something.

#WelcomeToNintumblrLife

Epic comment section, would partake in lulz again. Much Smashing, Very Bros.

@XCWarrior That's because what you're saying is completely wrong, but you're too stubborn and ignorant either to realize it or admit it.

@Mus1cLov3r 1. I don't have to just respond to everything you say, with none of my own insight. All I did was note some of the positives of gaming. Learn to read. Also, many pro gamers, including ZeRo, have expressed the importance of mixing exercise with gaming practice.
2. Read my comment again, if you please. You'll see that it's comprised of 2 main parts: the first, simply answering your question about team based smash, and the second, which explains how smash builds teamwork. Once again, learn to read: it'll help you look at least slightly more competent.
3. In that case, you have no right to talk about whether or not spammers do better than people who use "skill", as you put it. If you can't deal with them, get better at the game.
4. To say that reading " generally doesn't work " is grossly misinformed. Reading opponents is one of the most important skills to master in competitive smash, and even though there is variety, there are strategies that work, and every player uses their own set of these strategies. You just have to see which ones they're using.
5. Yes, and I explained why it does require skill to play at any competitive level. You should follow your own advice, and take that reading class. Please, I'd love to hear more of your under prepared attempts at comebacks. Bring it.
@Fee Ha ha, got me there! I said years because most smash 4 players started in brawl, as the two games do have similar mechanics. The level these guys are at would be much lower if they hadn't played competitive brawl, but you're right that they haven't had much practice with smash 4.

@SSS39 It's pointless to argue with people like you, who twist words to seem right.

@Mus1cLov3r sigh. As I just showed, you're the one twisting words around here. I said what I meant and I meant what I said. This is a matter of opinion, so nobody is right or wrong here, but please have your opinions be educated. Back up what you're saying, and don't be spiteful. And, most importantly, when you're having trouble admitting that you're losing/don't really have any good arguments left (we in the smash scene call this "salty"), don't hide behind a wall of " dur, I don't agree with this guy, therefore he needs to learn how to read". Don't be that guy. Get with the program and learn about what you're saying, or leave. This goes for you too,
@XCWarrior . Know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.

Gee whiz. I don't know how some people complain about the toxicities of Smash communities, when I can't even remember a single NL article where competitive Smash and competitive players weren't bashed in some form. Heck, it took less than two comments before one of such nature even showed up. When these things do happen, it's almost always the same pointless, ignorant arguments all the time, too. It blows my mind. That's unfortunate.
Good job to both of the players for doing their best. There needs to be some positivity here, at least. Geez.

@SSS39 If there's anything positive to get from these headache-inducing ''discussions'', it's learning whose comments to just ignore in the future. Definitely not bothering with either of those guys ever again, nor the others with similar such... ''arguments''.

@SSS39 So you can make remarks such as "It actually utilizes cerebral function, so it may take some practice for you," but I can't make remarks about your reading capabilities (which you also did in return, of course)? That's called being a hypocrite; don't be that guy—a hypocrite, that is.

Plus, as to "meaning what you say," you said that everything I said could be corrected, although the first comment of mine that you brought up was—without a doubt—correct; my second was a question, and questions can only be answered, not corrected; and my other two were opinions (unbacked opinions, perhaps, but opinions nonetheless). It seems that you don't quite "mean what [you] say."

That's all; I'm outta here. Call me a coward or whatever if you wish, and see if I care.

@LinkSword So, because you disagree with something one says, you ignore them entirely? That's just petty, if I do say so myself. Especially since all we did was say that we don't understand the popularity of something, but you and other folks started jumping down our throats; we disagree; so what? Get over it...

@DiSTANToblivion If you don't like tier lists, you'll have a rough time with most competitive games as they eventually crop up as people assess the game over time. I mean, sure, anyone can win a game if they are sufficiently skilled, but some characters simply lack the tools others have and are more of a handicap to you. For example, Ganondorf is generally considered a "bad" character because he isn't on the same footing as many other characters because of his slow speed and difficulty dealing with quick opponents/projectiles. If he can get in his punishes can be devastating, but you have to put in significantly more work to actually get in for those hits. This is why grapplers are some of the worst characters in fighting games as a general rule.

@Mus1cLov3r I'll ignore you because you've proven that you're not worth discussing with, not because you disagree. You have neither the knowledge to back up what you say, nor the integrity to admit when you've been mistaken. So, yeah, call it petty if you will, I call it good time management. Bye.

ZeRo was my fave since E3, Nairo and False are my others. I hate Dabuz.

Congrats Nairo! Keep training ZeRo!

LOL guys wtf are you talking about? If you don't know nothing then don't start talking. Nairo and ZeRo are good friends and of course he congratulates him. And if you knew ZeRo, he's actually quite nice as a person. Just because he's a successful smash player doesn't mean he's a jerk and you should hate on him. Anyway, congratz Nairo!

Beware of toxic salty people

yawn