In a special Smash Bros. Direct earlier this year Masahiro Sakurai announced a feature that made as gaze skywards to praise the divine idea — moderating in online play. If players are constantly rage-quitting, playing with an awful connection, targeting a particular player or being naughty in any other way the game will dish out punishments, including temporary bans. A sound concept.. what could go wrong?
Bizarrely, it seems it is going a bit wrong with the release of Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS in Japan. It's being reported that in the For Glory mode — in which items are disabled and purists will no doubt gather — those using Peach are being caught out for using Peach's down-special, in which she picks up and hurls a Turnip. Logic suggests — for it's all reasonable conjecture — that the game is mistaking this as an item and assuming these players are up to no good, dishing out 24-hour bans in the process. Peach isn't the only character that has an item-generating special, but she seems to be the only one being wrongly detected in this way by the game — her royal authority counts for nothing in the world of Smash Bros. It may be due to the fact her down special item can be customised for other items, and it's confusing the online moderation code.
We're sure this will be fixed quickly if it is indeed widespread, and will likely be cleared up before the title's released in the West. We'd argue it's better to have a fair online environment with occasional mishaps than lobbies full of cheats and hackers, though Peach aficionados in Japan may not agree right now.
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[source pixeldynamo.com]
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Not surprised. She's to good. I've know it since Melee.
In all seriousness she's probably only affect because she's able to pull actual items like the Beam Sword and Mr.Saturn with her down b. Dedede can't throw out capsules anymore I believe, and idk if Mr. Game & Watch's Judge still spawns a apple when he hits a 7. So, yea. It definitely seems to be the down b one way or another. I doubt it has to do with her turnips though.
Interesting.
The Villager seems to make tons of items and projectiles, so why doesn't it ban Villager players too?
Interesting
Well, hopefully, that gets fixed. I typically choose random in online so I don't want to get banned when the game happens to pick Peach. That and I like her in Smash.
Considering how heavy handed N usually is w/ these things I'm surprised they haven't shut down online entirely, that seems to be their MO when faced w/ adversity.
Has anyone been banned for using the new Zero Suit bikini Samus yet?
It was only a matter of time before the banning system did something stupid like this.
They'll fix it soon I hope. I thought they were trying too hard with all the online regulation they announced.
Oh smash now Peach is an outlaw
@rjejr Because it's a bug that can probably be fixed rather quickly
What about Link? He's hugely based around a projectile game with his arrows, bombs, and boomerang.
The nice thing about Japan getting games before the rest of the world is they find out all the bugs so everything's fixed in a day one update for us later.
"her royal authority counts for nothing in the world of Smash Bros."
Sounds the opposite to me, her highness is too important for be controlled by any random player in a match for the glory! XP
I can't remember, can Peach spawn items even when they are turned off? I always thought she was the only character who had a random chance of pulling out a beam sword or a Mr. Saturn no matter the item settings.
@WiiUExposed Peach is different, in that Links projectiles are consistent ... Peach can pull random items that are normally available for others when items are turned on, she does even with items turned off. These bans probably don't happen until a beam sword, bomb, or mr saturn is pulled out and used.
Link is screwed.
@hcfwesker Really? Wow, that's a huge oversight.
"playing with an awful connection"... well that's not something you can really control. And if the game thinks you have an awful connection, then it shouldn't let you in a tournament in the first place.
Taking the "Screw the Rules, I'm in Charge" trope to its logical extreme.
But while I didn't think about this possibility, it's not exactly surprising. Peach's Turnip Draw (if it works the same way as in Brawl) triggers a randomized item generator. Every item she's not supposed to pull out at all will be a turnip (plus a few extra numbers, I think). That's how the chances of pulling out Bob-Omb's in Meele were handled as well.
But that's the issue: other characters have separate ID's for their items, while Peach draws from the actual item list.
I suppose this is more of an oversight than a glitch, but I'm curious how Nintendo will solve it: will they change Peach's Turnip draw to have a separate list or different behaviour, will they leave it in as an exception to the "For Glory" rules, or will she only draw turnips in For Glory Mode in the future?
Peach confirmed to be the new Meta Knight
Lots of Smash Bros. articles lately.
On topic: Wow. This kind of stuff is likely anyway, so I'm not surprised. Oh, and I think I know why Peach is the guilty one. Her turnip move probably has the format of the other items. For example, IDK but I think other players can use the turnip for themselves. Link can use projectile items but only he can use those items. Same for a lot of characters.
Or maybe NLife is right. It's due to customizable moves.
Maybe this is the reason Bowser keeps kidnapping prinsess Peach: he's locking her up for cheating!
Back to the subject: it's rather a big oversight IMO (The sort of thing that should have cropped up in internal playtesting), hope it gets patched quickly...
Playing with a bad connection?
D:
I really hope the game thinks my internet is better than it actually is... I wanna play so badly, but my ping is absolutely awful.
Peach has just injected her turnips with some kind of steroids I think. Steroids are illegal in tournaments too after all!
@ThomasBW84
Speaking of Germany, you reminded me of something I found out today. It seems someone in Germany has the European, complete version of the game ALREADY.
I'm not even kidding - use "smash bros" and "german" as keywords in Youtube's search bar, and make the filter show only the latest results.
I thought that after envying Japanese players, I would stop going green-eyed. I was painfully wrong.
Cuz Peach too op. plz nerf
Back on topic, I guess Diddy Kong is next on the purists' hit list due to his banana peels.
@Kaze_Memaryu
Hello, fellow troper!
I didn't think peach worked like that. Then again I never really used her turnip draw move very often.
Would be freeways?
lol Peach is my main in brawl
Well What did you expect?!? This is nintendo you're talking about!!
@WaLzgi I predict some exploit or glitch where you can get your opponent banned for 24hrs (Being used when somebody is losing). Unless Nintendo are much more on top of it than they ever have been before.
It probably won't be long until this is fixed.
I play as Peach because she's hot!
[STARRING INTENSIFY]
@Hy8ogen
Noooooo. Buff Peach, nerf Mario.
@unrandomsam I think there may be a failsafe that automatically bans you if you try to tamper with the game. It will certainly not go unnoticed
Collateral damage.
Stuff like this happens, especially when diving head first into a whole new pan of online sauce. They'll get it sorted, and online will be better because of it. I'm just glad I'll be able to play online without worrying about dropped matches. I think Ninty is definitely moving in the right direction here.
Well, like someone said earlier, this is at least one advantage of not getting the game first.
Yeah, better to try and make everything fair and have to fix a couple of bugs than just let everything go to hell and let all the cheaters in.
As long as they get it fixed soon.
"In a special Smash Bros. Direct earlier this year Masahiro Sakurai announced a feature that made as gaze skywards to praise the divine idea — moderating in online play. " what does this sentence mean....typo?
Autobahns have nothing on Adelaide's O'bahn... If only that were true...
I thought it was gonna because of all the AHH-CHAAAAing they were doing!!!!
@Tiberius29
I guess she's too hot for 3DS
My personal favorite character, but I'm not too worried because this seems like a big enough problem they'll actually get it fixed quickly. Small problems/exploits always go unfixed, so in a way it's better it's a larger problem
Anybody please read my plea: I need a download code for the Smash demo!!! Please send me one so I can enjoy this awesome game!!
Peach too stronk.
I do not like being told to "Google" something (there are still other search engines, along with encyclopedias and dictionaries in digital and physical forms).
For once I'm glad Japan got the game before the rest of us, gives them time to iron out the bugs early!
@rjejr That only happened with SwapNote/Nintendo LetterBox and Flipnote Studio 3D, and for good reason, too; people were using those for inappropriate purposes not intended by Nintendo. This is a bug that can be patched.
@knabrub21
Can you really not wait 4 days for it to become available to everyone?
@Caryslan She spawns then even if they're turned off. Done it before.
@Mario500 yeah sure .
@vonseux Were you being sarcastic?
@VolcanoFlamesNL Custom moves can't be used online except with friends
@MrMario02 Allow me to rephrase your post. This is a new online mode we're talking about, so what did you expect? Note how many other companies have major issues with new online servers, etc.
I don't see what the problem is... Deal with it. I main peach too!
Uh oh, run Diddy! RUN!!
It's sad that so many people cheat & hack that Nintendo felt the need to put any of these rules in place. Though if the same kind of ban was available for hacked pokémon I'd be for it.
pffft this is as funny as it is scary, fix soon plz
What, Peach has turnips? Since when?!
Well, this is stupid.
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