Smash Bros. Melee Needs Your Help To Make It To EVO 2013

I'd love to see Tatsunoko vs Capcom return to EVO more than Melee but seeing Melee would be cool.

I think Skullgirls is probably going to get it.

No it doesn't.

I've been playing a lot of Melee recently so that would be interesting.

Yeah, I've been hooked onto Project M lately, and I always thought Melee's community was intresting. I would love to see Melee get in over Skullgirls!

You know a certain community of rabid MLP fans beginning with "B" (of which I'm a member ) will be throwing money into the ring for "Fighting is Magic!" Legendary Street Fighter Daigo kicking flank as Fluttershy? Yes, please! (Correction: F'shy doesn't "fight", her animal friends do, al a Pokemon Trainer & Pokemon.)

Skullgirls is a pretty awesome game to its merit, but I'd much rather see Melee in.

Just checked the donation totals and it's a tight race between Melee and Skullgirls with no other game even coming close. I'm a bit torn because I'd love to see a Nintendo game being repped at EVO with the amount of funding Sony tosses in (haha) but at the same time I really hate when people play Smash Bros without items.

As a long time dedicated fighter gamer, I'm still baffled on the preference of Melee over Brawl. Neither games are considered anywhere close to being balanced so the differences are negligible.

Brawl is my personal preference because of the choice of characters and environments. It seems under competitive conditions certain characters aren't allowed, use simple stages such as Final Destination and have items switched off. It kind of defeats the point of smash bros to play that way. If you're going to play something competitive stick to the likes of Virtua Fighter, Third Strike and SF4 but without the stages, the characters and the mayhem, Smash Bros just isn't as fun.

@SpaceKappa Well, I can sorta understand what you mean, but consider this: the game would get more visibility anyway if it makes it to EVO. The option to turn on or off items is there simply because everyone is free to do as pleased. So even if they play were to play without items there (I have no idea though), you can still play with them with your friends.. I donated $20 anyway, it all goes into a good cause it seems.

@FluttershyGuy
MLP dropped out of the running for the 8th game because the devs knew it wouldn't be ready in time for EVO.

@SpaceKappa
Heaven forbid people play a game without random elements.

@shinpichu That's what Smash Bros IS though. It's a wacky game that's fun BECAUSE of it's unpredictability. Poker has random elements and people still play that. It's about having the skill to deal with any of the thousands of situations that can occur BECAUSE of those random elements that gives the game its personality. If you turn off items you're not playing Smash Bros if you ask me.

Nice to see Melee winning. Last I checked about the EVO 2013 donation drive, a My Little Pony fighting game was winning by bounds and leaps. Granted, a fighting game involving ponies at a competition where the average player can chain combos like a mother f---er would definitely grab my attention if only for the sheer surrealism, but I suspect that the people who watch EVO are more interested in games which have greater cult followings.

How come Killer Instinct isn't a nomination?

As someone who attends EVO, I can't wait to see this there.

I'm not voting, but If I was I would vote for Skullgirls because Smash is just not designed for serious tournament play and Skullgirls is.

@ohhaime " I doubt we'll ever see one (another Smash Bros) that's as geared toward hardcore gamers as Melee was." - Masahiro Sakurai
you sure bro?

I'm kinda surprised by this. There are a lot of people who don't consider Smash Bros to be a real fighting game. As much as I love the Smash series, I would have to vote for Skullgirls.

@SpaceKappa
Melee is not just a wacky multiplayer fighter with items. It´s also great for 1 vs 1 with no items. That´s what makes it so great, for the hardcore matches and for multiplayer fun. And I think it´s better balanced than Brawl, Meta Knight is OP. It takes less skill to be a good Meta Knight player than being a good Fox player in Melee.

No. I don't believe in hyper competitivism or commercial competitivism. Both aspects ruined 'professional' sports, I don't want either invading my medium. This is coming from someone who has won fighting game tournaments in the past. Still don't want it.

I want to se Kof13 in there again, the last year matches were some of the most intense I've ever seen in a pro level tournament.

I've seen Skullgirls. Never played it, but it does look pretty amazing. Melee, however was (and still is) a truly outstanding game, and I see no reason why it should lose to any other game.

melee is my favorite in the series so, i'd happy to see it win

It's not too late for Melee, it was actually winning by a large margin until Skullgirls held a special donation drive just to surpass Melee, which it did. Given time, and if the Melee fans hold their own donation drive, Skullgirls should fall behind again. It would be better for the FGC as a whole of Melee was at EVO, I feel the main reason they are not winning despite Skullgirls being much less popular then Melee is because Skullgirls is already part of the FGC (although it's popularity had severely dropped) and Melee is part of the separate smash community, and most of the Smash community don't go to the websites where they would find out about this poll.

Why Melee and not Brawl?

@SpaceKappa
If items are so integral to gameplay, why even have the option to turn them off?

There's very little skill involved with items, especially powerful ones. If a powerful item spawns, the match basically stops while players fight to get to the item, then whoever gets it usually gets a few instant kills. Oh, and they f*** over slow characters because they have a harder time getting to them.

@eirikr
At this point, Melee is so far ahead of Brawl in donations that if we want Smash in EVO AT ALL, it's Melee or bust.

I donated for Skullgirls, but it's all for a good cause! Fans of both games win really, look at all that money!

As much as I want Melee to be in EVO, Tatsunoko, Skull Girls, and Persona need to be in there as well.

Didn't some Melee players get kicked out last time they had it? I would prefer to see Skull Girls. I love Brawl, but Skull Girls is new, well balanced, and could use the attention, being an indie game of sorts.

@Adam
...but we're donating for Melee, not Brawl.

@turtlelink
P4A is already in, and TvC isn't eligible for voting.

Melee is my favorite Smash Bros.

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The real next frontier in biological condition research is protein folding. You don't need to donate money for that, though.

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For Smash Bros., even Melee, I would not take seriously as a professional tournament title. There's just way too many oddity factors, like wavedashing, to allow the balance of depth which more traditional fighters contain. That's the curse of being accessible to newcomers- depth gives way to breadth. That's not a bad thing, it just doesn't lend well to a supreme degree of competitive prowess.

@GreenDream
Do you even know what wavedashing is? Most people at least bring up things like the random or chaotic elements like items when dismissing Smash from being a 'real' fighter. I don't see how advanced techniques like wavedashing keep it from being competitive.

@shinpichu

http://www.freewebs.com/tobiasxk/wavedashing.html

I first saw wavedashing in action years ago. In a local tournament held at a game store, several people used wavedashing - the one who used it best, a Jigglypuff user, won by a landslide. If "no wavedash allowed" were enforced, he would have lost.

Supposedly, some people might use it, or others wouldn't. The game is already imbalanced without wavedashing; using it completely changes the spectrum of what's possible for a character to do. Depending on what character you choose, it might involve "wavedash rules" or "no wavedash allowed" or other such incongruous fiddling with the metagame match setup rules. Allowing or not allowing wavedashing is so important, that it is similar to allowing or not allowing items. Items, at least, are of fairly even use for all the characters - ESPECIALLY if you allow wavedashing, which allows certain slower characters, like Luigi, to keep up with the faster fighters.

The balance of character movement in Smash Bros., including Melee, is so intentionally ungraceful compared to other fighters, that all senses of "biorhythm" are lost. Strategically speaking, the player is bound to an extraneous ruleset, rather than the inherent game design. That's one of the main gameplay reasons why Smash Bros. is so frowned upon in the fighting game community.

A friend of mine, who is a fighting game buff, feels the same way. He's also noticed that several professionally held Melee tournaments have been intentionally thrown in the past. That leaves a very bad reputation on the future of Melee as a viable professional tournament title.

@GreenDream
So you don't know anything about wavedashing then. All wavedashing is useful for is as a positioning tool. Jiggs probably didn't win just because of wavedashing, unless you can objectively prove that Jigglypuffs wavedash is somehow better than every other character, or that it makes her better(SPOILER: it doesn't. Go read a tier list).

Smash isn't the only series with ATs like wavedashing. Remember roll cancelling in CvS2? Way more important and powerful than wavedashing.

@shinpichu That's the thing about Smash Bros. tiers though- they're not based on character complexity like other fighting games, Smash tiers only factor in character movements and raw strength by necessity of the game design.

The guy who was playing Jigglypuff was definitely abusing the wavedash heavily, for faking out and dodging as often as possible, yet still got hit plenty enough; definitely would have lost in the match I witnessed without it. Jigglypuff is a lot less mobile without wavedash. His opponent was using Sheik. (Jigglypuff and Sheik are supposedly both top tier... but is that including or excluding wave dashing? Based on my observations, I'm inclined to believe the former.) The Sheik user was only occasionally using wavedash. So he got hit more than he would have otherwise. They were of even skill levels, both players were pretty good, trading wins and losses.

As for Capcom vs SNK 2, the "styles" kinda made it obvious off the bat that the game design was not intended for straight, simple and clean play.

@GreenDream
Go watch some videos of REAL high level Melee play. Somehow I doubt the tournament you watched was exactly reflective of how high level play works in Melee. I'd recommend finding some footage of the recent APEX tournament.

Tier lists in Smash are based on matchups, not whatever you seem to think their based on.

@FluttershyGuy I would so have donated to My Little Pony: Fighting is Magic if I was able, don't really know if it's still available..but anyways, hat game looks so freaking awesome!!~ Brohoof

@TheSonicdude97
FiM was in the running, but dropped out of the race, as the developers felt they wouldn't have the game ready in time for EVO.

@GreenDream dude... just... stop. You're embarassing yourself. Jigglypuff is even one of the characters with the most useless wavedashing in the game. Just stop, or watch some high level videos, please.

I always found it funny how Smash Bros. was the only game to ever get attacked for wavedashing.

@shinpichu Yea I know, but it would be nice to see Tatsunoko get some love even though Marvel 3 pretty much took over. And the reason I mentioned P4A was because it felt like that game was just dropping in popularity just like most other anime fighters.