Topic: Wii U and the state of the industry

True, and so the PS/PSOne and then PS2 were created, obliterating Nintendo and Sega from the home consoles market until the arrival of the Wii, and even then Wii sales numbers are ridiculous compared with these of the PlayStations.

PS/PSone: 130.5 M sold
PS2: 153.19 M sold
PS3: 64 M sold
Total: 348 M sold

N64: 32.9 M sold
Game Cube: 21.24 M sold
Wii: 96.5 M sold
Total: 151 M sold

Nintendo must be still hiting their heads against walls because of that betrayal

I love it when people get super personal and defensive about materialistic things.

Also, (I think it was in this thread but not 100% sure (it's late and I've had a little bit)) I struggle to really accept the views from anti-Sony (I guess you could call them that) that they're gonna fail, using their Vita sales.

As Mandoble posted, sales fluxuate. Nintendo had crap sales N64-DS while Sony rolled in it.

Heck, even the 3DS was poorly recieved until it dropped it's price. Sony will be fine, and at the end of the day, the more companies, the better it is for all of you guys.

I'm also rather surprised at the negativity surrounding the Vita based on its current sales figures, especially when we have all seen the terribly appalling start that 3DS had at first, yet look at its present welfare in the market now.

The Vita is actually an amazing piece of hardware for a handheld, and I am one of the few who are rather upset to see its current reception; a lot of this can be attributed to both the handheld's cost, in conjunction with the costs of all the propietary memory cards that were mandatory for purchase, (and these weren't even cheap) and then we need to buy at least one game to accompany it. All this amounts to one very big bundle of expense. But with the inclusion of considerably money-considerate bundles being introduced, as well as a significant increase of consumer interest (with fantastic new games such as Tearaway, and the new PlayStation Mobile service coming), the Vita should see itself a rise in patronage.

Sales figures are never definite, and certainly do not directly represent the worth or brilliance of a console - many factors come into play when it comes to figures, and things can turn around with all the right decisions on a company's part.

I highly doubt it. Nintendo is making plenty of money and there will always be competitors. It was a crappy deal, and Nintendo just decided to rub it in their face afterwards. Was it right? No, but they are company and I'm sure like all other companies they do a lot of mean things. Sony would have found a way to get into the market one way or another anyways. Competition is good and the good thing about this generation is that even if the Wii U doesn't sell great they will still be around, it's not like their in critical mode. This is however a great chance to correct past mistakes with the Wii. Oh yeah, you spelled "hitting" wrong.

If it was so crappy nintendo must have renegotiated it, and if not possible then break the deal, but never the way that they did. All of a sudden they have Sony in front of them with the big club and about to break all their heads, as they did. The result was Sega out of business and Nintendo relegated to a residual home console provider during 12 years, I wonder how that deal can be worse than that.

BTW, the Vita has way longer legs than 3DS, time will tell.

Judging from what Sony was expecting from Nintendo, I'm pretty sure there was some major resilience on their part on the issue of re-negotiation. Hence their rather disputable actions.

And for the sake of argument, do justify your statement regarding the Vita having longer legs than the 3DS.

Is not that obvious? 3DS is pretty limited compared to Vita in all and every aspect, specially for game control (dual analogs, multitouch screen and back pad). Vita allows you not only far more flexible control schemes, but also far more power as well, it is ready to support any kind of games. Vita will be alive years after the dead of the 3DS. And now we have the new cross play/cross buy between PS3 and Vita, and then we will have the same for PS4/Vita, something that is imposible between 3DS and WiiU.

You haven't been paying any attention during the seventh generation have you? I mean literally everything you just said is something someone would say when the PSP and the DS came out. Now anything can happen and the Vita may actually be a big competitor this time around, but I seriously wouldn't get my hopes up. Nintendo has had the handheld market pretty much on lockdown for a long time.

Plus in the post before that you claimed Nintendo has been reduced to a "residual home console provider during 12 years". You act like Nintendo has been doing horrible since the Playstation came around. From what I have seen Nintendo has done fine. They didn't win the fifth and sixth console wars but they weren't crawling on their bellies about to die. They made good games and were fairly successful. Nintendo has never really been in a real "about to die" situation. If anything Sony is closer to a situation like that right now than anybody has since Sega, and that ain't saying much because I doubt Sony is really going anywhere.

@Trainer_DJ: Thank you for saving me from typing out a tiring speech pointing out the inadequecies of his argument. Remind me to spare you a muffin later.

So what if Sony's best days are obviously behind them. I'm not worried. Surely we'll still be able to find something to play music and movies on.

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Quality games for both the PSP (Gungir comes to mind) and the DS (Devil Survivor 2 comes to mind) came out this year. It was the same kind of graphical difference. Thus, your point can't be proven yet, since the DS and PSP have lasted just as long as each other, despite the PSP having a significant difference in graphics.
The PSP had a stick, the DS had two screen and a touch screen.
It's the same difference here, except the DS has added a stick (Circle Pad) and still has two screens with a touch screen, and the Vita has another stick and a touch screen. Different things can be done with the devices in meaningful ways: there are games that simply cannot be done on devices without two screens. Just look at The World Ends With You and 999.
Your point makes sense, but your logic is inconsistent with what has happened. Games keep coming out for a system due to its popularity, not becauase of its power. The PS2 lasted longer than the Gamecube and Xbox, despite not being as powerful yet having the same kind of control set-up. This was due to its popularity.

Which is why it has nothing. ZING!!

Seriously though, Sony's been marketing the Vita very poorly. It came out and instead of advertising the great HD, the cool games, the intuitive controls, the touchscreen, or even the User Interface; Sony advertised the living hell out of Near and Cross Platform Play. Well, that's great and all, but what about everything else? I'm not even kidding. I haven't seen any adverts for Vita games at all. I only see Cross Platform Play adverts. The 3DS got so much advertisement that it was crazy. They had the guys playing Starfox, Resident Evil, Mario, and showing off the video recording feature, they had the price drop announcements, and they had the commercials for all of the big-hit games like Ocarina of Time, Mario Tennis Open, and Mario Kart 7. The only time I hear about Vita games is if I go looking for it or during E3.

Vita has nothing?? Vita has excellent games already, Uncharted, MGS HD, Little Deviants, Mortal Kombat, Escape Plan, Every body's golf, Lumines, Motor Storm RC, Gravity Rush, Disgaea, Wipeout are all pretty good games, in fact its current collection is more solid than the 3DS one in the West, lets add the access to some hundreds of PSP games as well and PS1 ones next month. What do we have for 3DS? Mario Karts and Mario Land? Perhaps the old OOT? What else? Few might say the horrible KI or the 10 meters ahead rendering RE, and that's all. GBA has way better games than 3DS, but 3DS has longer legs, same happens between Vita and 3DS, but in this case 3DS dont even have a clear advantage in games.

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Uncharted: Golden Abyss - a game more expensive then its brethren on the PS3 but inferior in every way
Little Deviants - A sub-par minigame collection
Mortal Kombat, Motorstorm RC, Disgaea, MGS HD - games I can play on the PS3, Mortal Kombat and Metal Gear HD in a superior fashion
Lumines - incredibly overpriced
Escape Plan - too into gimmics rather than just making a solid game
I own 15 games on my 3DS on cartridge, and that's not counting the VC games I downloaded. Also, the 3DS can play all but 4 games in the entire DS library. The Vita only has access to the PSP games on PSN.

The Vita may have a more solid collection of games for you, but the majority of people see the 3DS as having more games.
For the record, if you take a look on gamerankings, there are 25 games that rank about a 7 on 3DS. There are 15 that rank above 7 on the Vita. Also, 3DS games can be found for way cheaper right now, whereas there's barely any considerable price reductions on the Vita.

The Wii U ,and it's games has to be affordable,just like the Wii.

@A-Hungry-Banker What makes them any less affordable then 360/PS3 games? It's only a $10 between Wii games and games on other platforms, and that's only for new stuff. Used stuff is about the same price.

The Wii U needs to have a killer title,and gimmick that makes people want it.
The Wii had it's motion controls,The DS had it's dual screens,and the 3DS had it's obvious 3D.
But all I've seen from the Wii U is a Wii with HD graphics,and a I pad like controller.
Don't get me wrong,I'm looking forward to the Wii U,but Nintendo has to make it affordable,because bar some Wii U exclusives,and that Controller,it's just a PS3.

Based solely on opinion.

Based solely on biased opinion, and not on general prevalent reception at all.

Based solely on opinion. Also inclusive of an out-of-the-blue comparison between the GBA and 3DS, which is apparently somehow beyond the understanding of all earthly logic, relative to the Vita and 3DS discussion.

GameLord08, I guess that you have enough age to already know that everything about games is based on perception, what you vulgary call "opinion", while it is clear that the comparison of GBA and its games with 3DS and 3DS and its games with Vita is beyond the understanding of YOUR logic. I will help you a bit with that, GBA has a great collection of games compared with DS and then with 3DS collections, but it is an outclassed device, actually the 3DS is way outclassed by the Vita as well, it didnt happen with DS vs PSP as in this case the DS was providing a new "touchscreen" extra control which opened may doors, but now all the advantages are on Vita's side. Then you will have characters like "moomoo" which will say always that every game for vita is crap or overpriced and that for some weird reason believes that all Vita users are PS3 users as well, and even more, he talks now about the "majority of people" ... what majority, his majority? Because the majority of people doesnt know even about the existance of the Vita, something that obviously he is not even able to consider.

Nah GameLord, the Vita's game line-up is fairly thin, but it's factually filled with good games.

Sound Shapes and Puddle are two more, to add to Mandabole's list. There's also a vastly superior Warriors game to either that are on the 3DS. And then there's the PSP back catalgoue, and soon PSOne classics.

People who don't like anything that the Vita offers are the ones with wayward opinions.