Topic: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U - OT

I'm still wanting Kaptain K. Rool as a playable character...I'm not sure what his full moveset could be, but I'd like to smack characters around with that big 'ol gun of his!

I think wavedashing was annoying as well. I knew how to do all the 'pro' stuff including wavedash(not that well, but still), but I'm pretty sure those techniques weren't really supposed to be part of the game as actual strategies. If anything, wave dashing was a glitch that just so happened to work as part of the gameplay. It's like how they took snaking out of Mario Kart after DS, except that wasn't a glitch as far as I'm concerned.
Just like on God of War 1 when you do the infinite red orb glitch, there is a give in the actual game mechanics where the harpy enemies can't land to finish its dying sequence, so it keeps putting out red orbs. It's not the exact same situation obviously, but gameplay altering glitches do get into the game unnoticed sometimes.

Wavedashing isn't a glitch at all. It's a natural byproduct of the game engine working exactly as it should. I could provide a more technical explanation if you like.

Oh, and Sakurai knew about wavedashing during development.

I understand that, but my point is that wavedashing wasn't meant to be in the game intentionally. They saw you could do that, and just left it. Would you rather have wavedashing OR air grabs, dual item holding, more realistic physics, better hit spots, etc. improvements of that nature?
I'm not saying it's completely a flaw, but like you said, it's a 'byproduct', and that means they didn't intentionally put it in the game. This is the same kind of 'mistake/byproduct' that would allow you to keep flutter kicking when riding Yoshi in Super Mario Galaxy 2.

EDIT: I'd rather have an actual move that's intentionally put into the game that has the same effect as wavedashing, rather than dodging towards the groundwhile inputting a direction.

You're just substituting 'byproduct' for 'glitch.' Looks like you need it explained to you.

Also, way to pose a false dichotomy. But to answer your question:
-I don't care much about air grabs(though I wouldn't object if they were implemented).
-I'd take wavedashing over "realistic" physics any day.
-And I have no idea what "hit spots" are. Do you mean hitboxes? What do you mean by "better"

That video explained nothing. I already said that I know how to do that in the game. I think the only reason why you want wavedashing in the game, is beause there's a possibility that not everyone would know what you're doing which could give you the advantage. Wavedashing is not realistic. We're looking for realistic fighting games that don't use computer loop holes.
There's a reason why they removed it from Brawl, although floaty physics weren't that much better... You're seriously saying that an official move that does that exact same action would be worse? That's ridiculous. 3 inputs vs. 1 that does the same thing in a practical way and doesn't look stupid is the better option IMO.

I didn't want you to watch the video for the tutorilal. I wanted you to watch it for the explanation of why wavedashing happens that starts at around 1:40.

I think the only reason why you want wavedashing in the game, is beause there's a possibility that not everyone would know what you're doing which could give you the advantage.

I honestly don't care all that much about whether or not wavedashing makes it back into Smash 4. And I'm not a pro. I've never been to a tourney in my life, and I'm not all that good at the game. I just hate people spreading misinformation and lies.

Wavedashing is not realistic. We're looking for realistic fighting games that don't use computer loop holes.

Smash isn't realistic. At all. There's basically nothing about Smash that's realistic in any way, nor should it strive to be. Something being more realistic does not make it automatically better.

You're seriously saying that an official move that does that exact same action would be worse? That's ridiculous. 3 inputs vs. 1 that does the same thing in a practical way and doesn't look stupid is the better option IMO.

I don't recall responding to your post. However, I have to question your math. I could two inputs for Wavedashing: jump + airdodge. Uness you count pressing the control stick as a seperate input, in which case I'd say it'd be likely that your "new move" would likely have multiple inputs as well. Unless you want it on a dedicated button that only wavedashes in one direction, in which case I don't think anyone would be interested in it, not even real pros.

Yes, you technically have to input 3 commands through the controller to perform it.
I don't even really know what exactly could replace wavedashing... Maybe a skid move or something? That's basically what wavedashing was, but it didn't play or look realistically while letting people perform it. It wasn't even in the manual.
I'm all for creativity, imagination, and figuring things out, but even a fantasy game needs to relate to an audience in one way or another. We do live in reality after all, which includes gravity from the world, actually performable moves, other real physics like hot and cold, etc.

@Happy_Mask
Exactly. I see people in online games winning because of lag most of the time, and thinking they are actually good at the game.
That kind of pertains to what you're saying, but I completely agree about spamming moves. There should always be a way to counter a move either before or after it is performed, especially when there are people who will resort to such cheap tactics that were clearly not intentional in the game design.

Then don't get his in the first place.

JK. I actuall agree that chain grabbing in Smash could use some work. Maybe some sort of grab tech(not sure what the exact word would be) so that you can break grabs. Though most CGs do take a lot of skill to pull off(with exceptions, like Dedede's grab-release BS). But I'm not sure what other techniques you're referring to. I don't see what's so underhanded about stuff liek Wavedashing.

To curb this edgy conversation, I'm going to put in my own two cents regarding the upcoming roster. For one thing, WE DON'T NEED MORE MARIO CHARACTERS! I swear, if I had a dollar every time someone's wish list was 90% of more Mario peeps, I'd be at least moderately rich. There are plenty more series that deserve a spot beyond extra Mario characters like Bowser Jr. and Waluigi. Furthermore, people really need to keep their third party hopes in check. Sonic was in because he was the most requested, and Snake was admitted due to Sakurai's, um, friend? don't remember who it was but whatever, begged him to have Snake in. And quite frankly, I don't think he fits with the rest of the SSB cast, but that's just me. Now I'm not saying that more third party characters are completely out of possibilities' realm, for example Mega Man, and ever more so Namco representatives such as Pac-man and Lloyd are quite likely, but when people start throwing ideas around the Crash Bandicoot and Master Chief, that's when it gets ridiculous. Sorry about the rant, but I just needed to release a little steam regarding the matter.

Now as for my own hopes, I'd like to see Chrom (and/or Lucina), K. Rool, and perhaps one of the new Captains in Pikmin 3.

I said nothing about wavedashing.
It's easy to perform, and pretty easy to counter. I don't even understand why it was there in the first place, at least for me it didn't impact the overall gameplay at all. Of course, my friend used to wave dash all the time, so I had a bit of practice with the timing(I could generally land a couple of falcon punches per match), but all it really ever seemed to me was flashy, even at the tournies I attended. I could care less about stuff like that.

Alright then. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't sure what you meant when you said "and the like," and wavedashing is the technique that most scrubs target. My bad.

I'm not against wave dashing in particular either. I don't really get the fight for or against it at all, because it doesn't really help much anyway so it's easy to counter, but I'd rather not have it there because it's not specifically designed in the game as a tactic.

Well, it's an old topic, but apparently Namco Bandai are recruiting staff for the game:

https://twitter.com/nbgi_webmaster/status/316391577369055234

Or in translation:

Urgent notice from Namco Bandai! We want more development staff for our new Gundam game and Super Smash Bros 4! If you think you're up to it, go and apply here!

Either way, could be a good opportunity for any Japanese members with good programming/game development skills who want to work on Super Smash Bros 4, right?

Sounds like the working title is "Super Smash Bros. 4".

Obviously, it'll change though.

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS STRIKES AGAIN!

@3DSonicPizzaHD Well that's what everyone's been calling it, until we know the real name anyway (still think it will be Collision).

Well, what is another word for "fight" other then "brawl" and "melee"?

http://thesaurus.com/browse/fight?s=t