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Dezzy

@NEStalgia

I don't think FF13 was the best selling. Every bit of information I can find says FF7 was the best selling, at around 10 million on PS1.
FF13 was close to 2nd though with around 8 million overall, which was about the same as FFX.
FF15 has since overtaken that to become the 2nd best selling in the series.
These are just the numbers for the initial releases though. Obviously everything's been released several times now.

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Zuljaras

Quick question. I am extremely interested in Backwards compatibility. I know many games run way better on the One than on 360. However I want to know if there is a difference with the One X than the One of One S?

Does the X give better performance than the other 2 models in terms of backwards compatibility? I know some games run worse on One than on the 360 because of reasons

So anyone care to share? Thanks in advance!

TuVictus

@Zuljaras You'll probably get a very long and detailed answer, but yeah, the One X is able to play a number of games at "enhanced" performance when compared to the One S/360 itself. There are lists online that give you a rundown of which games benefit from the X's power

TuVictus

ThanosReXXX

@DarthNocturnal Well, that's some lousy trade-off then, seeing as online play was already there, so there's always been the ability to see other players online. The nice thing about Drivatars was of course the bonus credits and the option to race them, even if the gamers that the cars belonged to weren't online themselves.

@Zuljaras Besides the Xbox One X enhanced titles, there are actually many titles that run better on the X, simply due to the more powerful hardware. An example that I often mention of late, is original Xbox game Black. It is not specifically labeled as Xbox One X enhanced (correction: it actually IS), but while it runs at 4x the resolution on Xbox One S, it runs at 8x the resolution on Xbox One X.

And a lot of Xbox 360 games on Xbox One X are either running more stable in higher resolutions, or with additional effects, and also very nice: considerably faster loading times. Not all titles, mind you, but enough of them for you to notice the difference. And then there's a select list of true Xbox One X enhanced OG Xbox and Xbox 360 titles, which can be found here:
https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/xbox-one/xbox-one-x-enhanced...

And here's a couple of good articles and videos on the subject in general:
https://www.usgamer.net/articles/xbox-one-x-enhanced-backward...
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-xbox-o...
https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-one-x-backward-compatibility

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

ThanosReXXX

@ReaderRagfish Hahaha...
Well, I did say I know practically all of them, so all I had to do is grab my own list of games, and do some memory digging concerning the good or worthy titles. Back when I found out I had a first gen Dreamcast,
I simply downloaded and tried just about everything.

With the list I compiled for you, you've got most, if not all of the worthwhile titles listed and categorized.
Did take me quite a while, but I actually enjoyed making it, because it was a nice trip down memory lane...

EDIT:
And trust me, this is far from the entire list. The amount of games they've churned out for the system in the period of a little over two years that it was commercially available across all regions, is truly astounding...

If you want to use the list for future reference, you might wanna store or copy it, though, seeing as between me and other text wall creators, it might get buried underneath a ton of new pages in next to no time....

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Dezzy

Zuljaras wrote:

Does the X give better performance than the other 2 models in terms of backwards compatibility? I know some games run worse on One than on the 360 because of reasons

Yep. There are some games that have enhanced patches for the X, so you can get stuff like 4K resolutions.
The rest of the games will get a performance boost up that probably maxes the framerate out its highest possible allowed by the game.
So a game that's got a max 30fps lock will probably get 30fps constantly on the X, whereas many games will dip below 30fps on the base Xbone.

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Anti-Matter

@ThanosReXXX
I still confused about Backward Compatibility.
Why can Nintendo make their machines Full BC with their previous machine (Wii,
Wii U, GBA, NDS, 3DS) but Microsoft make their machines Partial BC, NOT full BC ?

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ThanosReXXX

@Anti-Matter Nothing to be confused about: Nintendo's machines are LITERALLY backward compatible hardware-wise, while Microsoft uses emulators, simply because they moved to completely different hardware (they went from PowerPC to x86 technology), so the old games aren't natively compatible with the new hardware.

Nintendo simply put a so-called 'SoC' or System on a Chip in their hardware, so that software from previous systems actually CAN be run natively. The Wii for example, as you might now, has hardware support for the GameCube on the motherboard of the console.

But regardless of that all: Microsoft currently offers well over 500 titles on backward compatibility, so who cares that it isn't ALL titles, seeing as there's plenty to choose from already, and they're still adding new titles almost every month, so in the end, the list will easily be 750 or more titles.

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Anti-Matter

@ThanosReXXX
But, the 750 BC games are Not Dance Dance Revolution games (Ultramix 1 - 4 & Universe 1 - 3) / Kinect games / All Kids games.
I don't like ALL the BC on Xbox1 so far (Except FF XIII that a little bit interesting).

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ThanosReXXX

@Anti-Matter Yeah... well, no offense, but that's mostly just your problem. I think it's pretty safe to say that most of us don't have a problem with that at all. Personally, I hate jumping around on a dance mat or swinging my arms around in Just Dance. In my opinion, that's just no game for a grown up man, nor is it for a person like me.

I can still enjoy a bit of Wii Sports/Wii Sports Resorts, or some other games where motion controls are implemented correctly, but no dance games for me. I'm 48, so I'm well past my jumping around days...

And to be fair: I already suspected it was about those games, but that wasn't your question. Microsoft is putting in a LOT of effort, where backward compatibility is concerned, and WAY more than the other two companies, but they still can't satisfy everyone, so people with extreme, odd, or specialist tastes will probably never find anything to their liking.

Most of the popular games are compatible, and even quite a few games that none of us, or at least only few of us, ever expected to be added to the backward compatibility list.

And Nintendo has now also moved on, seeing as the Switch can also only use emulation, so there's no backward compatibility on there either anymore, or at least not like it used to be, so in that respect, all consoles are now equal.

'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

ThanosReXXX

@DarthNocturnal True, that.

'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

NEStalgia

@Dezzy i think 13 was the best selling at launch. The long tail dropped of a cliff though which sank it below 7 by the end. 15.... No clue why that's winning....

@Zuljaras absolutely. I'm not the list guy, I'm the descriptions guy, so thanos and blue probably have more specifics for you, but generally, but here's the ms page for the 25 x1x enhanced 360/og games. Imo this list is incomplete. Mass effect 1 is clearly enhanced but i don't see it here. 1x enhanced games tend to have the pc version of the games rather than the og 360 version from what i can tell. It at least very similar to it.

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility

NEStalgia

NEStalgia

Oops this whole extra page appeared after i last refreshed... Oh well, my reply is redundant.

@Anti-Matter yeah, like thanos said, basically those Nintendo systems either had additional hardware inside that was basically the cpu/gpu of the old system inside the machine, or the hardware was the same inside between generations, just a faster version in the newer machine. Same with Playstation, ps3 (at launch) literally had the guts of a ps2 inside it as well as the ps3 hardware.... But later they removed that extra hardware in New models to cut costs.

But this current generation saw ms and ps switch from the old architecture to PC architecture, and Nintendo changed from GameCube architecture they've used on gcn/wii/wiiu to ARM (mobile) architecture..... It's wholly incompatible with the old games.

It's not possible to run the old and new hardware inside..... Too different, too hot, too much power use. And you can't just run the old games on the new architecture. So to do bc, you have to use an emulator like Virtual Console, and possible rebuild parts of the game like a remaster. Thus x1 needs each game to be individually be emulated with help from the developers/publishers that in the assets. Ps3 is a weird propriety architecture that takes a lot of power to emulate, so ps4 couldn't emulate any ps3 games... Maybe ps5 will, maybe not. And switch needs to run on a battery, so emulating wiiu games, and maybe even gcn. It's out of the question.... Plus no disc drive, even if it could

NEStalgia

Dezzy

NEStalgia wrote:

15.... No clue why that's winning....

It reviewed fairly well, it's an open world game, it's action rather than turn-based, it looks very nice.

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Haha, late to the party indeed. I already posted that list that you linked to as well.
And it's not so much the PC versions that are now released on the Xbox One X, but from what I understood it's just the core Xbox/Xbox 360 game, except with the higher resolution assets, which are either from the co-developed versions, or indeed from the PC version, so it's more like a hybrid, basically.

And then there's of course additional stuff added, such as HDR and so on, stuff that wasn't even available in PC versions of those games back then, so that's console-specific for the X.

@ReaderRagfish Forgot to mention this one:

Super Runabout, a game you might like, if you also like/enjoyed the Crazy Taxi games. Instead of just various cars for taxis, this game has all kinds of different vehicles, such as pick up trucks, police cars, muscle cars, and scooters, and has all kinds of different missions.

EDIT:
And contrary to Crazy Taxi, it also has actual damage models, that will affect your vehicle.

The guy playing it in the video is really bad at it, but it'll at least give you an idea of the gameplay and so on.

Oh, and if you like mindless 3D brawlers in the vein of Final Fight, then you might also want to give this one a go:

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

ThanosReXXX

@ReaderRagfish Haha, yeah, nice and cheesy. Kinda made me think of the "voice acting" in House of the Dead, which is arguably even worse. I guess bad voice acting simply was a thing in horror-related games back then...

Phew... a top 5....

I specifically went out of my way NOT to make one of those, simply because I wouldn't be able to choose in some genres, and I honestly enjoyed all the games I mentioned, otherwise I wouldn't even have put them in the list.

I could of course have added videos or links to videos for each game, but I kinda figured my comment might inspire you to do so yourself.

Oh, well. Guess now I'm here, I might as well give it a go, and although I don't know if I'll get to a top 5 for each genre, I'll at least name the must-haves, in my opinion, of course.

For some genres that I mentioned as one group, such as racing sims and arcade racers, that will obviously mean that I'll split them up again, otherwise you'll miss too many good games...

So, let's go, then:
(disclaimer: I'll try to make top 5's whenever possible, but it might be 6 (or 7) sometimes, and I'll mention series with two games as one, since either of them will be good. And lastly, they will still be in no particular order, so you can consider all of them worthy of your attention)

Racing simulation:
Metropolis Street Racer 1 & 2
F355 Challenge
Tokyo Xtreme Racer 1 & 2
V-Rally 2 Championship Edition
Test Drive Le Mans

Arcade racers:
Daytona USA
Hydro Thunder
4 Wheel Thunder
TrickStyle
Crazy Taxi 1 & 2
Speed Devils
Vanishing Point

Cartoon racers:
Looney Tunes Space Race
Wacky Races

RPG:
Skies of Arcadia
Grandia II
Evolution 1 & 2
Time Stalkers
Armada
Dragonriders: Chronicles of Pern

Action RPG:
Berserk
Shenmue 1 & 2
Silver
Record of Lodoss War
E.G.G. (Elemental Gimmick Gear)

Horror/survival:
any of the Resident Evil games
Dino Crisis 1 & 2
Illbleed
Blue Stinger
D2

Life simulation:
Lack of Love
Seventh Cross: Evolution
Seaman

Vertical/horizontal shooters:
Ikaruga
Gunbird 1 & 2
Gigawing 1 & 2
Border Down
Last Hope
Under Defeat

Multi-directional shooters:
Heavy Metal Geomatrix
Charge 'n Blast
Zero Gunner 2

3D shooters:
Alien Front Online
Cannon Spike
Outtrigger
Rez
Quake III Arena
Silent Scope

Action adventure:
Jet Set Radio
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2
Ecco the Dolphin
Slave Zero
Headhunter
Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver 2
Urban Chaos

Rythm games:
Samba de Amigo
Space Channel 5 1 & 2

Platformers:
Rayman 2
Super Magnetic Neo
Donald Duck Quack Attack

Puzzle:
Bust-a-Move 4
Puyo Puyo Fever
Wetrix
Bomberman Online

Flight sims/arcade flying games:
Aerowings 1 & 2 (second game being the better one)
Airforce Delta (aka Deadly Skies in Europe)
Aero Dancing i
Iron Aces
Starlancer

Sports:
Virtua Tennis 2
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
NFL Blitz 2000
NBA 2K2
Mat Hoffman's Pro BMX

Arcade Sports games:
Virtua Striker 2
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing
Sega Sports Jam
Extreme Sports
Sega Marine Fishing

And the unreleased games:
Propeller Arena
Hellgate
Ballbreakers aka MoHo
Flintstones Viva Rock Vegas
Toejam and Earl 3
Half Life Gold

Still, I do have to emphasize again, that the games I've now removed, are ALSO worth looking over.
And seeing as you can practically download all of them for free, the only effort you'll have to put in it, is check out the relevant video's, buy some empty cd's, download the games and burn them.

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

ThanosReXXX

@DarthNocturnal Well, far as I'm concerned, you can spoil away to your heart's content, since I never gave a crap about that series anyway.
Just be sure to use a lot of these guys: peek-a-boo!
Better not give anything away to the more sensitive people...

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

ThanosReXXX

@ReaderRagfish And to think that my first comment was already a short-list...
The total number of spindles that I've downloaded, is 16. As in 16 50-disc cd spindles...

One other interesting thing I forgot, is that you also have a wonderful thing called Bleem! (yes, written with exclamation mark) It's like Xbox One X backward compatibility before there was ever an Xbox, or more exactly: PS2 graphics before there was ever a PS2...

Bleem! runs and upscales PSX/PlayStation 1 games, and before it was shut down, for obvious reasons, they already had 3 games officially released, with both the game and the emulator on the disc:
Gran Turismo 2, Tekken 3, and Metal Gear Solid. The original discs are very rare and worth a small fortune now.

But the homebrew scene was able to crack the so-called uncrackable Bleem disc and this resulted in the unofficial version called Bleemcast, which can be downloaded for free everywhere. It functions as a boot disc, which you use to put the Dreamcast in a virtual machine mode that runs PSX games, so once the disc has booted up the virtual PlayStation, you can insert either an original or copied PSX disc and play the game in a far superior form on your Dreamcast. It truly is something that you need to experience first hand, so don't watch any videos to spoil it for yourself.

Just look for various versions, because the emulation isn't perfect, so you'll need more than one disc. There's Bleemcast yellow, which is the original, then there's blue, green and red. The last one is hardly ever used, so you can run just about any game with the first three.

So, if you still have some original PSX games, or are interested in them, then this will save you from having to buy a PlayStation for them.

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

ThanosReXXX

@ReaderRagfish In that case, you might be interested to know that emulation, and most definitely upscaling, is superior on Bleemcast, even compared to Sony's own hardware. They use a different kind of emulation, that works on a deeper, more thorough level.

The only thing it doesn't convert/emulate, is PlayStation video, so intros and so on look like photo negatives, all in black and rainbow colors, but the games themselves look and run pretty good.
EDIT:
This is only true for FMV videos. In-game cut scenes using the graphics of the game, such as in Metal Gear Solid, work just fine.

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

ThanosReXXX

@ReaderRagfish

P.S.

If you're still a bit overwhelmed and/or unsure with which games to start, then these videos might be a nice companion to the lists I made for you:

Oh, and do you have a VGA or HDMI adapter? Definitely worth the purchase if you haven't got one yet.

'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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