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Slowdive

@jump Ah! Yeah, and apparently on (our country's biggest online shop) bol.com as well. Anyway, it often takes months for a game to be (mostly temporarily) discounted. And the problem I sometimes have with big retailers is their lack of willing to restock certain games, particularly bol.com. Japanese games as well as import titles I get from nedgame for the most part, which is sometimes pricye but sometimes cheaper as well, balancing itself.

TheJGG

@urrutiap The whole idea of Persona 5 is striking back against the corrupt adults in society. Every single villain in the game is an adult, or at least connected. If we had an actual villain the age of the Thieves it would break the moral of the game. A corrupt adult forced Joker into the game's events, so this theme is very present. Besides, the first impression that is Kamoshida, is an adult that does inherently adult things only adults can do. Sneer at the kids, play with their lives, sexually abuse students who have no voice or will to fight back...

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VoidofLight

I personally like Sojiro way more than Dojima, mainly due to his character development. Dojima and Sojiro are pretty much different either way honestly, with Dojima being a bit strict, but still thinking you as his family (since you are). Sojiro starts out effectively despising you, and not trusting you at all.

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@VoidofLight Agreed but I prefer Signs of Love to Beneath the Mask. The piano riff's amazing, and has a more homely vibe.

The day themes in general are better than Beneath the Mask, Tokyo Daylight and Tokyo Emergency. My favourite of the P4 themes would be "Heartbeat, Heartbreak", then "Signs of Love", "Specialist, "New Days", then "Your Affection"

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TheFrenchiestFry

I like Signs of Love enough in the game itself but the Reincarnation track SLAPS

I think in general despite P5 having its bangers like Blooming Villain, Keeper of Lust, Life Will Change, Last Surprise and especially Throw Away your Mask in Royal, P3 and P4's OSTs just stuck with me more, and Persona 2 & 3's in particular are some of my favorite OSTs for any game ever made

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@TheFrenchiestFry I liked the school theme from Persona 1 PSP, it has a really well defined vibe. Really reminds me of the Persona 4 day themes I mentioned above, plus has a cheerful tune the P4 soundtrack emphasises a lot.

The P5 soundtrack in general has a really subdued, minimalist (in terms of instrument number at least) vibe that gives off a really depressing tone. Beneath the Mask, the day to day cutscene songs like My Homie, So Boring, Wicked Plan, and so on. The P4 soundtrack is cheery and despite the murder undertones has in my opinion more memorable music.

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TheFrenchiestFry

@TheJGG I know School Days is a song a lot of people bring up when talking about Persona PSP's redone OST but as good of a song as it is by itself, it just never fit the tone the game was going for originally. It felt way too much like a try hard attempt to make the earlier Persona games appeal to the people who started with Persona 3 or 4 since the remake was coming out around the time P4 especially was getting popular

I think Innocent Sin's remake did a much better job of updating the music while not outright betraying the tone the game was supposed to be built around. There's actually a lot of instances where I just flat out prefer the PS1 OST to the remake's songs when it comes to the original Persona, particularly the Battle Theme, the Kama Palace theme and the SEBEC theme

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I think the recent news about the PlayStation Store shuttering on pre-PS4 consoles perfectly illustrates why I think above a lot of other Atlus games, Persona 1-3 deserve the remaster/remake treatment on modern hardware

Physical copies of the PSP titles are super expensive to come by as is (Persona 3 Portable in particular is reaching into the $600 range even secondhand) and in terms of Persona 1 & 2, not only are the games super expensive physically making a digital purchase your only accessible option for getting into the games without breaking the bank, but P2EP in particular was only ever re-released digitally on those exact platforms affected by the Store shutdown, which basically means after August they're practically lost to history at this point unless they're brought over to new platforms

Persona 5 may be PlayStation exclusive but it's probably going to be widely available for a long ass time even if it stays that way considering the PS4 will probably live through the PS5 lifecycle, especially given the latter console is backwards compatible with the former meaning there's a stronger likelihood of the PS4 continuing to get support well beyond Sony themselves. Had Persona 4 Golden stayed on Vita P5 would straight up be like the single most easy to access game in the entire series without emulating

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Thank you developer of Karate Kid for NES and some other games I guess

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jump

I've just pre-order Shin Megami Tensei 3 for the Switch, it's £36.85 at Base.com which is the cheapest in the UK for any other UK folk. I take it this thread is gonna be the make shift SMT3 thread rather than having it's own on the forum?

I've never played the orginal as I didn't get Atlus/SMT games til the DS/Wii era. I actually think Trauma Centre was the first Atlus games I played until Devil Survivor came on my radar.

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Balta666

I am still waiting for pre orders to open here in Portugal. If not avaiIable I have Amazon but I would like a discount...

But this game is the one I most looking forward for this year that has been already announced (fingers crossed for silksong and axiom verge though)

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jump

@Balta666 It's a strange one as SMT3 is a day one buy for me but New Pokemon Snap and Resident Evil Village have got me more excited. It's feels a tad too much like I'm buying into the hype from the hardcore SMT fans saying it's the best SMT rather than having my own hype but hey-ho I still expect to be happy with it.

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Balta666

@jump well I cannot say I am looking forward to those two (not into "on rail" and horror games) but as a big fan of JRPG and never played SMT games I am also really hyped for it and hoping the poor performance and the high difficulty of the series does not burn me on it (for instance I quite hated tales of Vesperia and Nino kuni to the point I traded them after 5 or so hours as the combat felt boring to me)

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TheFrenchiestFry

@jump Honestly if you ask me I personally think in terms of mainline IV is slightly better than Nocturne

Nocturne's fantastic but there are a lot of MegaTen games imo that edge it out like Digital Devil Saga, Persona 2, Devil Survivor 1, SMT IV, Soul Hackers and even Persona 3

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jump

@TheFrenchiestFry Now I'm just expecting it to be garbage and I'm about to cancel my pre-order ;p

The SMT4 games were great but I loved the Devil Survivor games. I'm a sucker SRPG and as incredibly cool as the soundtracks in the other games are DS's rock soundtrack made a nice contrast to them.

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BruceCM

Well, if they bring SMT IV to Switch &/or Steam, I'll probably try that .... Pre-ordered Nocturne for Switch, so I can trade that in afterwards

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Ralizah

In general, I enjoy mainline SMT (post-Nocturne, because the SNES games have aged like milk left out of the fridge) significantly more than any of the spinoff stuff. The Devil Survivor games are decent, but I'm not huge into the SRPG battles and buying demons through auctions. Also, the character designs, dialogue, etc. aren't to my liking. Didn't really like the cast of DeSu1, and the second one feels like it was drawn from a very generic anime. Soul Hackers is... OK. Decent. Probably the best of the pre-PS2 Atlus games I've played. But it FEELS quite old. Persona... the first one is tedious as hell, I hate the combat, dungeon crawling, and enemy recruitment system in the sequel, Persona 4's dungeons are pure garbo (and the means of obtaining new Personas sucks in both versions), and as good as Persona 5 is, the totally unbalanced mechanics makes it too easy 99% of the time, even on the hardest difficulty. My kid nephew struggles with older Pokemon games and he can still kick butt on the higher difficulty settings. Digital Devil Saga 1 is quite good, but the lack of recruitable demons seriously hurts the gameplay, and the sequel is just a mess in general.

I have my preferences between them, but Nocturne, IV, and IV: Apocalypse are three of the best JRPGs I've ever played.

Still need to play Strange Journey, Persona 2 EP (only played IS), Persona 3, the Raidou Kuzunoha games, and the various obscure fantranslated SNES MegaTen games that don't fit into the other categories, but I'm not expecting my viewpoint on the series to change much, based on what I know about them.

With all that said, the Etrian Odyssey games are almost all excellent, and many would rank close to the top of a "favorite Atlus games" list for me.

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@Ralizah Persona 5 is easy but honestly nowhere near as unbalanced as Persona 4 is imo

Physical attacks were clearly way more essential to every one of my playthroughs of that game than skills or magic. You fuse a Persona that can null or resist Physical or attach that skill through manual inheritance and you've basically won the game right there. It's like how Nocturne treated Physical but on a whole other level of broken

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