Topic: Nintendo Life Playstation 3 Fan Thread

Same thing here. I get really frustrated when I'm not getting any sense of progress, and puzzle-heavy games tend to revolve around spending a frustrating hour arriving at the 30-second conclusion. Portal makes it worth it somehow, however....I don't understand why, but who cares--I love these games!

I think saying "they did the right thing every step of the way" (as is saying the opposite) is premature. Obviously I'm not claiming they did anything wrong but it's probably best to see what gets revealed down the road.

You're right. I should have said "so far, they've done everything by the book."

Yeah it is looking like Sony is more in the right than the wrong. I hope so for their sake, but all I really want is PSN back up - yeah I'm apparently one of those immature kids who just want to play online!

I think as soon as they knew there was something wrong they should have said "Check your s***, hackers hate us and we were probably hacked again"

Companies that make knee-jerk reactions and unnecessary statements that cause customers to panic don't last long.

Look, it's a rock and a hard place story, but Sony did the right thing, as a massive corporation is expected to.

If Sony did the right thing, they wouldn't be in this mess. Just sayin'. If a hacker can access your information, you're doing it wrong. If a hacker can get into every online infrastructure , they're all doing it wrong.
Can't say I've heard this happening to Steam, btw. So I think at least one party is doing it right.

I wonder if PSN was still up if I wouldn't have spent the whole night playing 360? Hmmm? That is a question to be asked isn't it?

Anyways, it sounds as if PSN could potentially be down for a few more weeks. The PS Blog stated today that some parts of PSN could be back up by next Wednesday, and by some I think they mean Netflix and Friends List. I'm going to snag Splinter Cell Conviction tomorrow - as it looks as if it will never release on PS3. I think we are going to be down for awhile!

If anyone wanted to hack steam, they would. No one's immune. So yeah, I guess everyone's doing it wrong.

Just sayin'.

Yes, Steam recently had an intrusion as well. It caused them to have to integrate a personal validation system to tighten security. There isn't an impenetrable system, even the Pentegon was hacked into in the past year! If they can break into Pentegon, do you really think a gaming console service can't be?

Exactly. It's worth noting that Nintendo has also been hacked, and RSA, one of the BIGGEST CORPORATE security vendors in the world, was even hacked.

Sony got hit by a tidal wave. None of this was their fault.

Because trying to charge Geohotz, and getting warrants to break into a house in Germany totally didn't fuel the fire. Or ridding of Other OS which started this entire problem. None of those actions were Sony's call, so they're ridden of all blame. [/sarcasm]
If Sony were not a fault, they wouldn't be in this situation right now as they'd have dealt with the matter in a quick amount of time. Could have just banned the consoles that are hacked like MS do with the 360 and be done with it.
But no, they have to try and bite back, which makes the situation worse,as evident by the past few months.
Not knowing when to pick your fights puts you at fault.
_{please don't go there — TBD}

So if someone steals something from me, so I take him to court to protect my property, so a bunch of the guys mates come and take a baseball bat to my head, I'M the one at fault?

The law is on Sony's side, and for good reason. Illegal hacking is illegal, and so long as Sony was compliant with national and international laws around data security, which it was, it remains on the ethical right.

The world would be far better off if certain people learned to be a part of the world, rather than complain and moan about a system that only affects them because they don't want to play nice.

When someone steals from you, that item is gone. When a hacker steals a game, the game is still there. Now there are two games. No stealing has occurred because then the item would be gone, but it's still there, and readily available for others.
Hard to steal something that cannot leave the shelf.

When someone hacks into a system and downloads software illegally, they've gotten something for free that every other person has had to pay for. You can't walk into a massage parlor, get your massage, and then just walk out without paying, same as it's illegal to pirate music off the internet. Theft of an intangible item or a service is still theft.

Also, if people just hacked into the system and downloaded some games, people wouldn't be so angry (though Sony would have a definite legal case against them). The most recent hackers stole a bunch of personal data. Someone steals your identity, well, your credit is gone.

On the other hand, I don't think Sony should have any legal clout on GeoHot, since all he did was hack the system to put Linux back on. It's you're own hardware, you should be able to do what you want with it (though if you violate Sony's terms of use, you shouldn't expect to be able to play on PSN with people who are following it). I think Microsoft has played this the right way by just banning hacked devices and not being lawsuit happy.

Nothing can excuse the hacker's behavior, in this case, but I hope Sony's learned that it's a bad idea to piss off people who buy PS3's to use as linux machines. At the end of the day, it's the paying customers who suffer from all of this with no PSN access, possible personal info stolen, restrictive DRM (more of an issue on PC), etc.

"He stole my time!" is all I can think of right now. Plus I'm pretty sure they charge before the massage. Hard to steal someone's 'time' when you pay before-hand. Also, it depends where you're from if downloading music is illegal. It's legal up here to download all the music you want from P2P services (Torrents!).
So yeah, hard to steal something that doesn't have a physical base. You could also say you can't own anything online by the same sense. Like buying games on Steam, you don't actually own the game, unless you go out and buy the real thing.

So if I walk into a cinema and don't pay for the ticket, that's OK because I didn't physically lift anything? How about stealing the contents of someone's bank account? It doesn't physically exist as cash inside the bank, right, so that's OK too?

This stealing thing is confusing when you're just starting out like me.

Movies? Sure. Contents of bank account? Well that means real cash, and when you take that cash, it's now only in your possession. That cash has to be pulled out at some point, it's why it's in there so it's a good as real if you ask me. It does exist, in every bank if you wanted to take it back. So what money they had stored at any bank, you would then own. Owning the numbers means owning the material in this case because the numbers are only a representation of the real thing,

@BedCommando: Regarding the massage example, the principle is there (and it depends on where you go whether they take payment up-front, same for the guy who fixes your air conditioner or the one who tattoos you), and as much as you attempt to deny it or skirt around it, the law is the law. If the hackers in this example are American and did their deeds on American soil, Sony has a presence here in the US and will certainly prosecute them to the fullest extent of US law.

also, that cash never has to leave the internet — you don't have to hold it in your hand to use it on eBay and Amazon, for example.