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Cotillion

Since you mentioned consoles, I assumed you were comparing. Stadia free is inferior to even the current consoles (1080p max and only stereo sound). If you want to compare to the current consoles, let alone the upcoming generation, you'd need Stadia Pro.

In the case of the free service and if you don't care about the graphical and audio performance, yes Stadia is cheaper, but inferior and not comparable to next gen consoles in terms of performance. Likewise, the price shouldn't be compared, because if you want the same performance that even current gen consoles will do you have to pay more for it.
I never thought it was a Netflix for games, you were just comparing to consoles and so did I. You simply do not get the same thing consoles give without paying. Regardless of subscription, games are forever tied to the service is a valid point. It's free now, will it be in a years time? Will it still be available or go the way of Google+ and the many other things Google has dropped? Who knows.

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blockfight

That's fine. Just some people seem to think you lose your games if you aren't subscribed. Not true. I buy it, I keep it.
If im playing on laptop/ tablet/ phone im not too worried about 4k.
Console will always be superior. But this is a dam good alternative. More options for gamers is always a good thing.

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BlueBlur101

I genuinely want to try Stadia at some point next year but honestly they pushed this thing out the door way too early

The Founder's/Premiere Edition owners are just glorified beta-testers until Google actually releases the platform with its intended features and a stronger game selection

The technology at the very least, is highly commendable. They did end up nearly perfecting what OnLive was attempting nearly a decade ago on nearly all levels but of course that varies from person to person

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skywake

I stand by my original point on this, to slightly edit my first post in this thread:

skywake wrote:

There are four main variables at play here:
1. How far away from the server is the end user (less distance, lower latency)
2. How good is the video encoding/decoding (impacts video quality and latency)
3. How much bandwidth between the user and server (more bandwidth, higher video quality)
4. How much power is there on the server (more power, higher graphical quality)

The only point it can possibly win on is #4, traditional consoles will always win on the other three points. However GPUs are getting cheaper and more power efficient by the day so point #4 is increasingly a non-issue. So why bother with a system that adds unnecessary video compression noise and latency?

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ThanosReXXX

For those who are interested, here's Digital Foundry's rather elaborate video review:

Description and disclaimer underneath the video:

Published on Nov 21, 2019

Correction: The Pro streaming option consumes 20GB per hour, not per second!!

Our first look at Google Stadia concentrates on the 'Pro' subscription service and its 4K image quality, alongside the usual latency tests. Everything stacked up against Xbox One X - how does Stadia hold up? Note that while we've tried our best to preserve image quality on YouTube, Stadia footage is going through two tiers of compression here, so will look better in 'real life'.

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blockfight

Seems to review fairly well compared to Xbox. But not superior. After a full weekend with the service im fairly happy with how it's running. Occasional hiccups but for 99% of play time it's been great.

Mayo for Sam.

ThanosReXXX

@blockfight I suppose that's kind of the point of most current console owners: with the new generation already on the horizon, which is going to surpass the Xbox One and PS4 by a definite land slide, would a service that can barely hold its own against the Xbox One X be sufficient? I think not. So unless they manage to massively improve upon it, it'll only ever attract people that either aren't interested in consoles (or not anymore), but still want to play games, or completely new adopters, who've never bought a console before, and simply see this as another option instead of buying a hardware box.

Mind you, I'm not saying it's a bad thing in and of itself, but it's definitely not the be all and end all that Google suggested that it was going to be. It'll be nice for a certain demographic, and it'll do its job in some ways, but for dedicated console gamers, this is never going to be a decent replacement. People looking to buy an Xbox Scarlett or PS5 aren't going to accept a service that'll only ever be decent or that'll make them fairly happy. They're looking for a clear and definite step up from the box that they now already own, so something that's only on par with current gen's best, isn't going to tick that box at all.

I've also got serious doubts about people being able to keep their games once bought. For starters, you don't have any physical media or storage device to put them on, and if and when the service will end at some point, you will have lost all "your" games forever, so it'll only ever be a glorified rental system, which is where the Netflix comparison comes from, so personally, I don't think that people who see it as such, are too far off with their comments.

Even with digital only products on the Xbox and PlayStation, there's FAR more sense of ownership and control than with what Google Stadia is offering. And with that in mind, the prices are indeed ridiculous. Especially if you consider the absolutely MASSIVE catalog of games that's already available on Xbox One through GamePass and on PlayStation through PS Now, (edit: and what people have to pay for that in comparison) so for supporters of these platforms, it's never going to be a viable alternative.

In the end, it might find its place in the market, or perhaps it's going to be a niche, or like many of Google's other "visionary" services, it's simply going to slowly fade away after a couple of years. I'm actually expecting the latter, and I've previously already predicted that the service's best before date might very well reach its end somewhere around 2022/2023, especially if they can't find enough supporters or generate enough revenue from it.

So if that's the case, then there's no guarantee that they can keep it going, because they're (obviously) not in it for barely keeping it alive, so they'll need to get a massive return on investment, seeing as they'll probably also invested heavily into getting this up and running.

If they can't recap that, then a 3 to 4 year run is more than likely all they'll be able to get out of it, before business sense takes over and they'll have to pull the plug. Google+ for example, did have a longer run, but that wasn't as expensive an investment, nor did it require so much effort to get up and running, but even that didn't last, so the chances of Google Stadia ultimately succeeding in grabbing and holding onto a piece of the video gaming market are definitely slim.

One small benefit will ultimately remain, even in that scenario, which is that you won't end up owning a useless box if the service does indeed cease to exist. And for those who bought the premium package, they at least get to keep their controller, which will more than likely also work on other PC or smart device games...

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blockfight

@ThanosReXXX Good points very well made. I definitely don't plan to use it for many games initially. I was curious more than anything and was in the market for a chromecast also.
Im a big fan of games consoles and have owned at least one in every generation since Playstation 1. I am in no way abandoning consoles. I see the current and potential flaws of stadia. But I do think it will find its market as time passes and the service improves and becomes more fleshed out. Time will tell.

Mayo for Sam.

ThanosReXXX

@blockfight Much like Digital Foundry, I'd be curious to find out the actual, live results, when they've finally got many thousands or more players online at the same time, because as shown with Red Dead Redemption in the Digital Foundry video, even with a good quality fiber connection in the house, you can't have other people doing other stuff online at the same time, or games start to stutter, so seeing as this was only a kind of preliminary test, I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for more Digital Foundry test videos later in Google Stadia's life cycle.

But yeah, even though I'm sticking to my own prediction for now, I do agree that only time will tell.

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Ninfan

How much are the games on stadia . They have a good line up. I'll buy them tomb raider games 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿 and doom can't wait to play that...

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ThanosReXXX

@Ninfan I posted a video about the prices right here:
https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/other_gaming/google_stadi...

Basically, the prices are the same as for brand new physical games on consoles, and some come in more expensive, limited edition packages. All in all, rather expensive, for a streaming only service, on which you'll never own any of the games, so what you'll be doing is paying full retail price for the privilege to be able to play them remotely.

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Ninfan

ThanosReXXX wrote:

@Ninfan I posted a video about the prices right here:
https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/other_gaming/google_stadi...

Basically, the prices are the same as for brand new physical games on consoles, and some come in more expensive, limited edition packages. All in all, rather expensive, for a streaming only service, on which you'll never own any of the games, so what you'll be doing is paying full retail price for the privilege to be able to play them remotely.

@ThanosReXXX but when I pay for them and download them to a stadia there mine to keep yes/no

some of my Favourite games
Rick dangerous ( zx spectrum )
Battletoads ( game boy )
Tomb raider ( play station )
Speed freaks ( play station )
Wario ware ( game boy advance )
Advance wars ( gameboy advance )
Eternal darkness ( gamecube )

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ThanosReXXX

@Ninfan Nope, that's the whole point of Google Stadia: it's not a box or a device, it's a streaming only service, so you never download anything, you play games that are running on Google's servers, so that's why a lot of people think it's so expensive, because you're paying full price for games that you'll never own.

And when the service will either end or fail, then everything you've collected over the years, will be gone forever, so you can never go back to some older games that you'd like to replay, like you are now able to do on the consoles and handhelds that you currently own.

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blockfight

@Ninfan they are yours to keep as long as Stadia remains in business basically. You don't need the subscription to play any games. Games need to be purchased and can be played as long and as often as you like.

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Dezzy

The fact that it could just cut off and you'll lose everything you paid for, must be causing a lot of hesitation for people.

If you're gonna go with that business model, you really need to put a lot more energy into making sure it succeeds than Google did, otherwise you've got a negative incentive that's going to accumulate.

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Gwynbleidd

The idea at the base is brilliant, but google is handling the whole thing really badly.
I would spend 400 bucks to buy stadia if I could pay a very cheap yearly subscription to get to play the games I like, but surely not if I had to pay them the same price they have on other platforms.

It is also true that the company can afford to lose a few cash to do some market experiments, in this case they might be demanding way too much to check how the market responds and then gradually lower the costs.

Gwynbleidd

Ninfan

blockfight wrote:

@Ninfan they are yours to keep as long as Stadia remains in business basically. You don't need the subscription to play any games. Games need to be purchased and can be played as long and as often as you like.

@blockfight they really should make sure you keep the game when you buy it ( like when you buy something in nintendo e shop , when you buy it you keep it ) or stadia will never never work

some of my Favourite games
Rick dangerous ( zx spectrum )
Battletoads ( game boy )
Tomb raider ( play station )
Speed freaks ( play station )
Wario ware ( game boy advance )
Advance wars ( gameboy advance )
Eternal darkness ( gamecube )

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ThanosReXXX

@Ninfan No offense, but you still seem to miss the whole point about Google Stadia offering you nothing to save your games on. It's all remote access only, so you'll never own ANYTHING. You're only granted access to the servers that the games are stored on, for as long as Google sees fit to support them, so once they decide that they don't want to do that anymore (for whatever reason), then you're basically screwed, far as "your" Google Stadia game collection will be concerned...

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Anti-Matter

@ThanosReXXX
I just wonder why does this product exist if you can't even own your games ?
Is Stadia created for peoples who will get bored after finishing one game and have no desire to keep the games after finishing the storyline?

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Ninfan

@blockfight so you have stadia

some of my Favourite games
Rick dangerous ( zx spectrum )
Battletoads ( game boy )
Tomb raider ( play station )
Speed freaks ( play station )
Wario ware ( game boy advance )
Advance wars ( gameboy advance )
Eternal darkness ( gamecube )

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