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ThanosReXXX

@Anti-Matter Well, not everyone is a collector, or likes to replay games that they've already finished, and then there's the people that don't care about owning a box that costs several hundreds of dollars, simply because it says Nintendo, Xbox or Sony on the front, so not everyone cares about, or wants a console in their home.

For those people, this could work, but it would have to be a hell of a lot cheaper than it is now. And more stable...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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NEStalgia

@Anti-Matter Well, considering that digital purchases exceed physical purchases, it would seem many, many people don't care about ownership, however mostly I think most (younger) people haven't really thought through the implications of "the cloud" because the inexperience of youth tells them that everything they know has always been there and therefore will always be there. They've yet to experience a major shakeup "in the cloud" on the equivalent of a "going out of business sale" in the physical world, and they don't realize it can happen.

Digital distro on PC, XBox, PC, Switch is a little different because you technically DO own the game license, and you technically DO store it locally. If you're responsible for backing up your download, and preserving your hardware you do own it for life, locally.

But Stadia's a little different. You have to buy the license for the game, but you do not get to retain it or run it locally. AND you have to pay to access the servers (there's a free access version coming that doesn't do 4k etc and may or may not be spammed by ads.)

Honestly it's just a poorly thought out service from beginning to end. Not surprising from Google though. It offers poor value at a high price and no ownership of what you pay for.

By contrast, PS Now, XCloud, nVidia GeForce Now, etc are a better value. You still own nothing, but you didn't pay for the games, just the server access. So they wear on their sleeve that they're a rental service, and for many that's a justifiable service (like going to the video store and renting games back in the day, only cheaper and more games to rent.)

Stadia runs like a rental service but charges like a digital storefront.

NEStalgia

blockfight

@Ninfan I do own it. Im not sure you're totally understanding how it works though. You don't download any game at any point. You purchase the game and can instantly play it by streaming. No installation required. No download required. And no updates ever needed. You'll always be running the most up to date version of the game.
Once you buy the game it's yours to keep. But the argument others are making (which is valid) is that if Stadia shuts down tomorrow, you'll have no access to any of your purchased games anymore.

Mayo for Sam.

ThanosReXXX

@blockfight No offense, but what you just described, is definitely not "owning" a product. By its own definition, owning something means having it in your possession, locally and tangibly, and having control over what you can do with it, neither of which is true in this case.

So, "yours to keep" also definitely isn't true, because it's Google that's keeping it FOR you, and who's deciding what you can or cannot do with it. That's leasing or renting. Nothing more, nothing less. You buy access rights, that's all. It's a rental house, not a bought one, and that's more than likely also what makes most people that are not impressed by it, or who are even against it entirely, feel like it isn't a worthwhile addition to the video game market.

If they'd offer the service at prices comparable to Xbox's GamePass or PlayStation's PS Now, then they might be able to grab a decent market share, but trying to offer a lesser service than those two, and having to buy (temporary) access to games for full retail price (while you can get GamePass or PS Now for a couple of bucks a month and with a far, FAR superior software library) simply isn't going to work for the majority of the existing gamer crowd.

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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Toy_Link
Someone needs to sue Google for false advertising, even if it's just to give developers "freedom of how to achieve the best image quality and frame rate on Stadia," they shouldn't have been lying so close to launch about 60fps/4k.

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blockfight

@ThanosReXXX That's a fair enough arguement. It's clear you're not a fan of the system. I have my reservations too, owning games being the biggest one.
There's a lot of confusion out there too as to how this system works. Bad strategy on Google's part for that.
If you are an avid collector of games or a hoarder then this system won't be for you. But I can't remember the last time I fired up my xbox 360 to play a game I bought 7 years ago. Or my original xbox. Or my PS1. I buy a game. I play it. Im done. If I lose access to it years later when ive since forgotten about it I won't lose much sleep.

Mayo for Sam.

ThanosReXXX

@blockfight I figured as much, and fair enough for the people that feel the same way, but besides my personal sentiments, it is exactly as many others have also said: it almost seems like Google hasn't thought this through at all, and are just eyeballing it from an almost Utopian perspective, only adding the most minor of disclaimers, such as in the Tweet posted right above your comment, which states " (with appropriate TV and bandwidth)", but then immediately afterwards, they all but nullify that statement again, or dare I say even downright belie it, by still insisting that they can and will deliver 4K streaming regardless, which is simply a lie.

So it actually isn't so much that I'm not a fan of the system, or rather: service, I just don't feel that it has something to offer for true gamers, who for all intent and purposes should already own one or several consoles, and will probably be rather faithful to and satisfied with the brands they've chosen up til now.

On a side note: I obviously can't speak for others, but I'm not a collector or hoarder per se, I just want to have control over the things I buy and in the case of games, I want to have full control over the games and hardware that I like/love (or as much as possible), and that would be able to play whenever I want, regardless of the fact if I ever actually will.

I just want to be safe in the knowledge that if I would want to play them, that the consoles and the games are there, virtually for as long as I'll live. And currently, that's the case for ALL my consoles and handhelds, and I've got quite a few of them. There are also a couple of games that I keep going back to, every now and then, either out of youthful sentiment, or simply because they remain entertaining/good games to play in short bouts every now and then, regardless of their age.

But yeah, like I said in my initial comment in this thread, a couple of pages back, this service that Google is offering, could have a place in the market, even if it's possibly only a niche one, if they make good on ALL their promises and statements, and do something about those ridiculous prices, because no matter which way we look at it, in today's market, or in any market for that matter, people will ALWAYS compare new things to similar things that are already there, so in this case Xbox's GamePass and PlayStation's PS Now, and if Google isn't even on par with these while STILL charging full retail prices for games, then they haven't got a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding to grab a piece of the video gaming pie, regardless of whether or not they'll find some supporters.

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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jarvismp

When Google announced Stadia, some media suggested that you could game on the go on your I pad. A possible challenge to Nintendo- well provided you had tonnes of data that is.
Having now spent time with Stadia I can confirm that the big N can sleep easily!
It is a decent concept and no doubt it will be tried by others but frankly it’s a disastrous launch.
The launch games are dull. Almost embarrassingly old. This is a launch line up!
You couldn’t play Stadia on the go- not a chance.
But at home... firstly I decided to try it the good old fashioned way- wired!
It works. It’s okay. The graphics are nothing to shout about but it works okay.
I wasn’t mesmerised but there was hope.
Then I moved onto wireless connection. Oh dear me. I get a consistent 50 meg download speed so I thought it would probably run quite well.
Stadia started up nicely. But then it got to the gaming. There is more lag than you get in a prison cell! The graphics are jarred and it makes Witcher on Switch look like the smoothest graphics you have ever seen!
Stadia was always going to be a gamble especially in the UK where wireless still isn’t up to scratch but there is just so much wrong with it.
The launch and hype was pretty much non existent and the gaming experience is just not good enough.
Google are pushing it with the tag line ‘grew console gaming that takes up no space.’
It somehow has still managed to end up being a waste of space.
Switch is still number one!

baldspur
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Toy_Link

Not to put all the blame off Google for their misleading advertising, but I do wonder if some devs. are purposely downgrading their graphics on Stadia, so it can make the eventual next gen. remasters of these games look all the more impressive. I imagine that Stadia users will have to pay for these remasters either separately or as a paid add-on to the existing game.

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redd214

It's crazy how much people have to say about something they aren't interested in lol. I ordered a Premier edition today. Needed to upgrade the wifi in the house and needed another Chromecast anyway. Basically getting it free with BF discount! Look forward to trying it in full next week!!

redd214

blockfight

@redd214 It's like the people who tell me I shouldn't enjoy a fifa game. They have no interest in playing it themselves but im wrong for enjoying it. Exact same with Stadia. If you've no interest in it, fine. Im enjoying it though.

Mayo for Sam.

jarvismp

I have played it and can honestly say it does have some good ideas. But the way they have handled the launch and got a line up of games that is uninspiring is odd for Google. With X box 2 and PS5 coming next year, this was a chance to have a great launch in the run up to Xmas.
I won’t give up on it yet - hell it took he long enough to give up on the Wii U, but it all feels messy and rushed.
I just can’t see many devs bothering with AAA games when they have dev kits for the next generation.

baldspur
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Anti-Matter

Goggle Stadia has NO games at all for me after i have researched from Google. 😒

Their games were just bunch of rated 18 games from PC / Xbox One / PS4, typical male games only (fifa, shooting, realistic racing, Dragon Ball, Western superheroes), NO girlie / Casual games like on Nintendo at all.

Sorry but Nintendo always win my heart with their appetizing games library as ever.

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1. Dance Dance Revolution series (100)
2. Dragon Quest Builders 2 PS4/Switch (95)
3. The Sims 4 PS4 + All contents (93)
4. Portal Knights PS4 (90)
5. Final Fantasy VIII PS1 (90)
6. Animal Crossing New Leaf: Welcome Amiibo 3DS (89)

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Justifier

The problem for me is that Google have history of shutting down services. It is very risky to purchase multiple 60€ games, if they decide to shut down Stadia. And Microsofts xcloud seems better option tbh.

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jarvismp

It’s a dead horse being flogged

baldspur
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Dezzy

I feel like someone should've just told them "This is a really competitive industry. If you wanna be successful, you're gonna need a really good product. And probably like 5 AAA exclusives to launch with."

@Justifier

All companies shut down services that aren't successful and losing them money.

The thing about Google is that they're the only one of the big tech giants who regularly have these kind of half-assed ideas that they just brain fart onto the market. Amazon wouldn't do something like this until they had a much more competitive product.

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Ninfan

Anyone got a picture of stadia

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ThanosReXXX

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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Dezzy

Ninfan wrote:

Anyone got a picture of stadia

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It's dangerous to go alone! Stay at home.

linq

Dezzy wrote:

Ninfan wrote:

Anyone got a picture of stadia

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