Topic: Zelda's Wii U-Turn to NX

@shaneoh: Isn't that how you do it on the Wii version?

@Therad:
Googling it, the most basic functions for Metroid Prime were done with these buttons on the Wii:
Left stick: Move
Pointer: Aim/look (it was for things like this that the WiiMote was great)
c: MorphBall
Z: lock/scan/grapple
B: Jump
A: Shoot
D-Pad down: Missiles (it was for things like this....)
-: Switch Visor
+: Switch beam
1: Toggle Map
2: Pause

@skywake: Sorry, man, I don't care what Wikipedia says: It's not a logical fallacy to want to know somebody's credentials. Which is what I was ACTUALLY saying, not what you twisted my words into. You gave a link for something entirely not my intention, so that's what I have to say about that noise. Plus, having some experience in the forensics field, EVERYTHING is a logical fallacy if you dig hard enough. Practically everything. And people who try to throw those around as some sort of damning accusations are just spitting in the wind.

You may find it rude to ask somebody where they are coming from, I find it illogical and idiotic to NOT bother asking when trying to have a discussion with someone.

We've done this to death. Bottom line: I don't really respect your comments a whole lot. That's all. You'll have a few every now and then that I can get on board with, but honestly, to me, most of it comes off as hot air from some Australian guy who thinks he's "all that" for whatever reason. You can think the very same about me, and that's fine. Just keep in mind that I'm not Australian.

And you may find it "rude" to ask, so I'll just go ahead and tell you: I worked in the video game industry to a certain degree. These days I'm back to just being a hobbyist, but I've been in the trenches and still have some friends who are working in the field and are, in fact, quite close to the action (developers mostly). It's a fascinating field full of some of the most passionate people around, but also tarnished by outspoken, childish "fans" (of which you are not one, truthfully - I mean that in the positive, not-childish way) who, like most people, think they know better than the actual professionals. It just happens that their hobby and the internet coincide, so the outpouring of idiocy can be all the louder than most other hobbies.

@rallydefault:
Can you point out the thing to which I was wrong to disagree with someone on in this thread? Was I wrong to say that a hybrid concept involving two fully fledged systems sold in one box was a fantasy? Was I wrong to say that a portable that you plug into a TV would be bulky, expensive and unable to beat the Wii U on specs? Was I wrong in the other thread to say that the fake controller concept was fake? That I thought it would be a huge backwards step to remove all of the face buttons from a game controller?

Or are you just wanting to wail at me for no particular reason? Are you whining because I backed up some of these things with a little bit of googling? That I put numbers to my claims rather than just pretend I knew everything? Was I "rude" when I put numbers to things? Was that somehow "intimidating" to other people? Did I "offend" you by throwing out numbers? Are numbers somehow yet another thing people deem as "offensive" in this crazy world? Is that what this is?

Am I "rude" because I write with fairly decent English? Because if it's that then you should know I only type like this because I type fast and failed English in yr11. Because I failed English in yr11 I literally only studied for English in yr12. I forced myself to write in a way that'd get better marks. My first exam in yr11 I got 38%, my final exam I got 62%. So if I write like a massive douchebag? It's for that reason. Put me in a room with you and I'll just listen, put me on a phone and I'll say half as much.

Frankly, I think it's demeaning to people to assume they can't take their ideas being disagreed with. I respect people more than that. If I disagree with you and have an argument? It's because I respect you enough to think you might be able to change my mind. I respect you enough to think that you'd impress everyone and change your mind if presented with a different perspective. Something all of us do far less than we should. You don't need to be a white knight and save other people on this forum from the pain of being wrong.

@skywake: Look, man. We've hijacked this thread long enough. We're just gonna go back and forth all day making assumptions and calling each other "rude" and you, ironically, linking to Wikipedia articles to try and prove academic points.

I'm stopping. I skimmed your last post, but I've got to get to work. I saw some things about "rude" and "assumptions" and all that, and that's fine. People are going to assume - you do it all the time. I do it all the time. Everyone does it all the time. Doesn't make it right, but also doesn't make it something mind-blowing in terms of an argument. So I'm gonna come home after work today and skim the forums and comment on things as I usually do. If I end up commenting on something else by you and disagreeing, so be it. If I end up commenting on something by you and agreeing, so be it.

But I'm done with this back and forth. You're no "better" than me, and I am no "better" than you. It's just that people who give off a vibe different than that tick me off, and frankly, you do give off that vibe pretty frequently, and not just towards me. And I'll say something about it every time; it's just my personality.

So, I'm gonna try and take the high road here and just step away from this thing, because I can't really stomach listening to you assume things about me and the laws of the universe anymore. You do with that as you will.

That much is clear. And I'd wager it's why you always seem to have issues with what I say. I wasn't arguing with you or attacking you. I've only been defending myself in the last few pages.

Hey, while I'm here I might aswell get a shovel. Lets go through the endtrails!

.......

.....

......

so we agree then? Seriously dude, WTF is this all about anyway? I still don't understand what I'm supposed to have done wrong.....

I enjoy reading skywake's posts whenever I visit these forums. So I don't get all these complaints about being 'pretentious' and all that. There is no pretense. Just a couple of guys/girls having fun discussing things they enjoy thinking about.

I agree with the entirety of the post. I also didn't think the fake NX controller was that bad. I was 80% fake/20% real on it. The 20% real, however, was because I thought it might be a prototype for a dev kit and not the final design. I think that design would be fine if the sticks were moved so that it was either:

1) The sticks in the very Northeast and Northwest corners with the screen under them.
2) The sticks in the very Southeast and Southwest corners with the screen over them.
3) The sticks all the way to the left/ all the way to the right with the screen in the center of them.

Obviously it would have to be made comfortably but this "screen covers the entire surface" would work fine, to me, if the sticks are all the way on the edge. The only problem I saw with the fake would be how much of the screen your hands would have to cover, and this would solve that.

@LetsGoRetro:
A few things to point out here....

1) The controller was a fake so if you thought it was real you were wrong
2) The controller wasn't even brought up in this thread until the @rallydefault post you quoted
3) In the thread where it was actually discussed? I wasn't keen on the idea but said it was an very impressive fake. I was dismissive of the controller itself but I thought I was pretty fair and explained why pretty well. And for full context here is what I actually said in the other threads before it was shown to be a fake:

and also this

4) From what I can gather @rallydefault disliked that @DefHalan and I weren't impressed by the various hybrid theories. But for some reason @rallydefault decided to change the topic to one about the controller.
5) I don't see how disagreeing with someone and explaining why is rude
6) If I have said something offensive? Point it out, quote it, explain what I've done wrong

@skywake: You gathered wrong; I've never expressed a like or dislike of a hybrid theory. I've always been very open to all possibilities. I've only stressed that, for me, exclusive games are most important. I use my PC mostly, so a Nintendo console, hybrid or whatever, just needs good games for me.

@rallydefault:
I thought I was pretty damn clear. I never said you had an opinion on these hybrid theories. I said that for some reason you took issue with the people who thought it was a pretty average idea. And then for some unknown reason changed the topic to my position on the fake controller.....

@skywake: "From what I can gather @rallydefault disliked that @DefHalan and I weren't impressed by the various hybrid theories" - YOU

Explain. Explain how those words are somehow "damn clear" that I have NO opinion on a hybrid device.

@rallydefault:
You not being impressed that we had an opinion isn't the same as you having an opinion. I honestly didn't know you didn't have an opinion. I didn't really care either way. What you did have is a pretty strong opinion about us having an opinion

@skywake: It seems like you don't know a whole lot about my thoughts, so why do you keep assuming you know them?

Also, I don't even remember what you are referencing. I don't recall posting to you or @DefHalan about a hybrid system, nonetheless having a "strong" opinion about what either of you were saying on the matter. This all started when I asked @DefHalan where he gets the information to pretty much "know" what the NX can or can't be. He answered me, and I was satisfied. I didn't say a word to you until you included me on a post claiming you were being "interrogated."

That's what ACTUALLY happened according to what is actually posted to the previous pages. So stick to things that are real and knowable, please.

Also, what is the winky face for? I don't understand. Is that some way to make fun of somebody on the internet? It seems kind of childish. It makes me feel like I'm trying to debate with a child who is sticking their tongue out or something.

Can I just ask you guys to stop @ ing me? lol. You guys are just fighting back and forth, not really adding to the conversation and I keep getting e-mails and notifications because you @ me. Say my name all you want, but you don't have to add the @ to notify me lol. Thanks.

@DefHalan: lol sorry. I'll stop.

Yeah, stop @DefHalan The conversation has moved on from what @DefHalan so there's no need to @DefHalan anymore. Hope that helps @DefHalan from people who @DefHalan you.

Thanks, that helps a lot arronishere