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shaneoh

Luna_110 wrote:

I remember reading somewhere that for EA to release sports games apart from FIFA in a console, they wanted almost no competition from anything related that could steal its thunder.

I won't take it as fact, but if that's an important factor in whether or not you release a sports game on a console, then you have to question your ability to make enjoyable games.

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rallydefault

I don't get this crud about the pricing. Honestly, I don't.

I don't care how small each JoyCon is, each one is still a full controller that is used to play the games. Each one still contains tech that needs to be paid for. 50 bucks for something that controls my game, includes NFC, gyro, object detection, HD rumble, strap that extends the controller, etc. is the same as a PS4 or Xbox controller that has less tech. You're literally getting more tech in the controller for the same price as what the competition is running, even the PS4's. People just whine because "they look so small." Yea, go tell that to your nearest jeweler - you want that diamond for a steal because hey, it's small, therefore it must not be worth a lot.

PS4/Xbox you got ONE controller at launch out of the standard box. Switch gives you TWO. I can buy a Switch standard box, day one, for 300 bucks plus cost of a game and have two controllers to play with my wife automatically. Xbox or PS4 I needed to shell out another 60 bucks to play anything with her on top of buying a game.

Consumers in the social media/internet age have gone off the cliff. Their expectations of goods are simply no longer reasonable. The Switch was doomed in pricing the moment it wasn't $200 with Joycons 20 bucks each. Also to bear in mind: the majority of criticism coming from those who have never held the controllers much less seen a Switch in person. Just a bunch of ME Me MEs shouting into the echo chamber.

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TuVictus

I dunno about that. You need both joycons to get the equivalent of one ps4/Xbox controller. That is, two sticks, two sets of shoulder buttons. The price is whatever, but I certainly see where the annoyance comes from. Especially since there's stuff in there that's probably not gonna be used much, but will stay in and boost the cost anyway. Like the hand gesture thing.

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IceClimbers

Why does an additional dock set cost $90? It's nothing but a plastic shell with some ports and some cords that are really cheap to produce!

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Octane

@IceClimbers Why? Because Nintendo makes more money that way. I have no idea to be honest. I've asked the question myself too. It should've been $30, and they could still profit from it. Fortunately there are some cheaper alternatives; skywake linked me to an adapter that does the same thing in theory. I hope something like that works.

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jump

IceClimbers wrote:

Why does an additional dock set cost $90? It's nothing but a plastic shell with some ports and some cords that are really cheap to produce!

Apparently theres something fancy in there, the fancy thing is also patented so 3rd parties can't make a cheapo version.

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TuVictus

Geez Louise Nintendo. Well. I guess I don't need another dock anyway. And it is a step up from the wii u days where you had to get one directly from Nintendo if your gamepad failed. Even if it's expensive, at least you can buy the pieces you need or want without needing to go through them

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Octane

@jump Then what's in it? A map to the lost city of El Dorado?

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@Octane Nah, a copy of Xenoblade Chronicles X 2. Id crack that bugger down faster than an addict into a safe containing their stash.

Seriously.

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jump

Octane wrote:

@jump Then what's in it? A map to the lost city of El Dorado?

I'm not a techy so some of the details are lost on me but basically it's a thingymajiga.

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Nicolai wrote:

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TuVictus

Most likely the way the cooling system is set up? That's all i can imagine being worth a patent

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FattyWhale_42

I see plenty of people wanting to purchase a Switch without a dock; as well as plenty of people wanting another dock — but not wanting to pay the full price for it. Hmm... #ObviousSolutions

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skywake

Operative2-0 wrote:

pretty sure the switch itself acts as the sensor bar. Similar to the one built into the top of the gamepad.

It's not. I mean the Switch might have that for Wii VC games but that's not how the Joycons are working. Only the right Joycon has an IR camera and by default it's pointing towards you. So they're not using an IR pointer to centre the Joycon. What they do have are magnetometers aka a 3D compass. So they can zero themselves based on the Earth's magnetic field.

IceClimbers wrote:

Why does an additional dock set cost $90? It's nothing but a plastic shell with some ports and some cords that are really cheap to produce!

The actual bit of tech that converts USB Type C to HDMI is something you can already buy. Most of those devices retail for around $70US. Obviously being the internet you can get some on special for about half that price. But either way it makes sense that they're charging as much as they are.

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jump

skywake wrote:

Operative2-0 wrote:

pretty sure the switch itself acts as the sensor bar. Similar to the one built into the top of the gamepad.

It's not. I mean the Switch might have that for Wii VC games but that's not how the Joycons are working. Only the right Joycon has an IR camera and by default it's pointing towards you. So they're not using an IR pointer to centre the Joycon. What they do have are magnetometers aka a 3D compass. So they can zero themselves based on the Earth's magnetic field.

IceClimbers wrote:

Why does an additional dock set cost $90? It's nothing but a plastic shell with some ports and some cords that are really cheap to produce!

The actual bit of tech that converts USB Type C to HDMI is something you can already buy. Most of those devices retail for around $70US. Obviously being the internet you can get some on special for about half that price. But either way it makes sense that they're charging as much as they are.

Wouldn't that just put the image on the telly and not increase the preformance like the dock does tho? Genuine question as this stuff is lost on me.

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skywake

jump wrote:

Wouldn't that just put the image on the telly and not increase the preformance like the dock does tho? Genuine question as this stuff is lost on me.

Two reasons why performance drops when undocked:
1. It saves battery life
2. Its a lower resolution screen

It could technically run as fast as it does when docked while in portable mode. No reason I can see why they wouldn't be able to do that. But they don't because it would make the experience worse for no obvious benefit.

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rallydefault

Operative2-0 wrote:

I dunno about that. You need both joycons to get the equivalent of one ps4/Xbox controller. That is, two sticks, two sets of shoulder buttons. The price is whatever, but I certainly see where the annoyance comes from. Especially since there's stuff in there that's probably not gonna be used much, but will stay in and boost the cost anyway. Like the hand gesture thing.

I agree that definitely not every game will utilize every piece of tech in the Joycons, but my fundamental reasoning comes down to this: Can you or can you not play MANY of the Switch games we've seen so far with just one of the Joycons? The answer is yes: Bomberman, Mario Kart, Sonic, Snipperclips, 1, 2 Switch!, and others I can't be bothered to remember right now lol

So, just saying: To me, if I can play a game with the controller, it's a controller. I don't think that's a crazy statement, though it does seem crazy to me that I have to even say that lol

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Octane

@Operative2-0 Cooling is all done in the tablet itself, there's even a little fan. The dock has some holes that allows air flow to pass through, but that's it really.

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TuVictus

No clue, then. It'd be interesting to see the dock dissected

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gcunit

Octane wrote:

@Operative2-0 Cooling is all done in the tablet itself, there's even a little fan. The dock has some holes that allows air flow to pass through, but that's it really.

Anyone seen any reference by anyone reliable as to whether the Switch, when undocked, emits any noise from the fan? And I mean any noise. I like my hand-held devices to operate silently.

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TuVictus

Yeah that's cool. All I'm saying is, it doesn't offer the full range of input as a traditional controller when speaking of only one. That and the pro controller being 70 I think? If you want another input you're looking at spending more money than you would otherwise. But yes each one makes a simple controller useful for the usual Nintendo games that thankfully don't require the usual full range of buttons.

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