I think they won't release Zelda and Mario simultanously, it makes more sense for Zelda to be a launch title and Mario to be released on holidays 2017 (9 months later).
For the Wii, Twilight Princess was part of the launch lineup and Galaxy was released a year later, for holidays 2007, so it wouldn't be the first time they do it either.
I don't see how Mario being basically finished is a bad thing if true. They're saying it's further along than Zelda, well ok. But Zelda looks to be pretty far along at this point. If Mario is a launch title and Zelda comes out within the year? That's still one hell of a first year for a Nintendo console.
Imagine if the Wii instead of launching with Twilight Princess had launched with Super Mario Galaxy. And then Twilight Princess was delayed until August 2007 or something. Would that have been such a bad thing? Well, no. Unless you were one of the people who had a Gamecube and had no intention of getting a Wii.
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Wii U version of BOTW is fine. It would be a waste to cancel a version that is this far in development. I'm not sure it's a launch game though, it's definitely not confirmed. Anyway, I do agree with @Whitewatermoose launching with Zelda and Mario Kart may be the best situation. Zelda has gotten plenty of media attention already, and it would send out a message about what the console is really all about. Mario Kart is probably their biggest franchise, so it makes sense to have that on top of everything else. 3D Mario games sell well, but compared to Mario Kart? And especially combined with Zelda, I don't think it stands a chance. Splatoon did pretty well on the Wii U, and will undoubtedly do well on the Switch too. But it's a fairly new game, so it's definitely more risky than launching with Mario Kart. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, as all those games are probably going to be launch year games. It only means I have to wait another 6 months to play Zelda...
@rallydefault To each their own? Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean I think any less of them! It's just something that I would never do myself. I've had many people tell me before that I should've bought third party games on the Wii U if I wanted more of them. Or that I should've bought more indie games, just to support the smaller companies. My time and money are limited, so I'm only going to buy the things I really like (and I still have a pretty decent backlog!), but I wouldn't favour one purchase over the other to just support a certain developer; If the game is good, I'll buy it; however, if I don't think I'll enjoy it, I won't buy it.
Alas, this conversation took the turn wrong turn immediately, so I'll leave it at this. Just know that it wasn't a personal attack in any way.
No one said that it's further along than Zelda. Rogers said that it's further along than people think it is. Nothing more.
But that was the implication. And even so, and as I said in the bit you didn't quote, that doesn't mean Zelda is behind. If the rumour is correct it just means Mario is a lot further along than people think it is. As I said, if Mario is the launch title and Zelda:BotW launches within the year (i.e. by November 2017)? That's still one hell of a start to a console. I don't see how anyone can spin this as bad news.
Given that the reveal trailer gave some focus to multiplayer with the Joy-cons, at the moment I'm expecting a 'party' game to launch with the Switch, and my guess would be MK8*. Which, if that were the case, I'd be a bit surprised for a Mario game to launch at the same time.
So I'm expecting BotW at launch, and then the new Mario 3D game to come along in July/August to keep the hype right up over the summer. But that's not allowing for any new IPs that might affect that thinking.
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Rumour- "Nintendo are well into development of a new 3D Mario game for their new system that is virtually complete. It will also be more open ended and exploratory than previous ones".
Predictable negative Nacies- "OMG ZELDA CANNED ON Wii U AND THE SWITCH IS A PORT CONSOLE?!?! Nintendo why u no lsiten to your fans!? Let's hope/pray for bad news so that we can complain about bad news and be happy for the bad news even when there's literally nothing pointing to bad news we need to expect it and preempt it because bad news is good!......... I think."
@Operative I don't think I paid much attention to what was said for the Wii U in the run up to launch. I'd already made my mind up, put down for a pre-order and bought it day one on the way to work. So this is the first time I've really taken any notice. But my guess is this is normal.
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@Operative I don't know, but I had a good laugh. We went from a rumour, to someone suggesting what it might mean if it were true. Then a bunch of more posts happened, and now we're suggesting that there are people claiming that other people are claiming that the Switch is doomed if it doesn't release with Zelda. Even though that statement was never made here. It does give me a bit of a headache thinking about it though..
@Whitewatermoose it's not just about it being bad form and burning bridges with the Nintendo faithful (though it is partly both of those things) it is the fact that it is a Wii U game they have developed for a long time by their standards that they will cancel... why again? Like there is no logic at all to support this. Say what you will about the Wii U and it being the antithesis to sales but Nintendo recently said that they want this game to sell 2 million at least and you look at the Wii U library and of its biggest games they've all managed 1 million with some going way beyond that, this game will surely be another to add to that, regardless of the Switch version.
Nintendo would just be dropping money for little to no reason. Obviously not what a business should be doing.
I think Zelda really needs to be a launch title. You risk some major backlash otherwise. If the game comes out in April/May, people might be a bit miffed, but they'll deal with it. Holiday 2017? Yikes.
While 3D Mario seems close to completion based on what Emily said, and will be a big seller, it isn't the game that's been heavily anticipated for years. They didn't base an entire E3 around it. Therefore you can push it back to whenever seems necessary.
If they're going to launch with a Mario Kart 8 port, I'd prefer if they didn't have another Mario game at the same time. Despite them being completely different games, it's still "mario" if that makes sense. Either way though, I'll be happy
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