Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@Eel
You're absolutely right, but when people think of N64 many think about Mario 64, the two Zelda games and the Rare games and forget about everything else.

That's not actually some sort of rule, and the same arbitrary limitation could be applied to any other console.

As a kid, the only other Rare games I ever saw by visiting friends and family were Jet Force Gemini and Conker's Bad Fur Day.

(On the subject of that Gemini game, All I ever saw of it was my cousin accidentally killing a bear he wanted to rescue. What was it even about?)

@Toy_Link What sega sailor moon game? Is there a new game????

@JaxonH @gcunit Gcunit was a bit more snarky than I would have been but I somewhat agree. Never underestimate Nintendo's willingness to innovate. The question is if someone will keep R&D focused. My hope is for a switch 2 but if any company would change up for "reasons" (and cost) it would be Nintendo.

I always find it interesting when people talk about rare games first. There are so many other games in the Nintendo library that were good or popular. I'm not a fan but Turok got an insane amount of releases on the N64. The bomberman games (you know the good ones), mischief makers, glover, the Goemon games, and the amount of fun racing and wrestling games (you know before 2k got its hooks in wrestling games and before Yuke's got burnt out), all the extreme sports and arcade sports games was insane. Aside from Jet force Gemini (I would love a remake of that though) and Goldeneye I didn't even own any other Rare games until I was an adult...and yes that includes DK64. Nintendo of course produced some of its best work during that time as well, if you had asked 11-13 year old me who would have won the console warz (TM) I would have put all my chips on the n64 with ease. I didn't even think about sony as a kid since I had so much to play on the N64. Considering how small that system's library was I think that was pretty amazing.

@gcunit Th-the Nintendo Sex?

That could actually make a good system, minus the title. For adult gamers only.

@Ryu_Niiyama
I used to fear they’d make a drastic departure because “Nintendo” but over time I’ve changed my stance on this. The more I ponder it, the more I’ve come to believe that actually won’t be the case at all.

I don’t doubt they’ll innovate, but with one consolidated system, they don’t have the luxury of a failure like they did with 2 platforms. As long as the hybrid approach remains popular (which I think will basically be forever) they’ll stick with a hybrid system. They might innovate in other respects, but I don’t see them attempting a drastic departure. It’s too risky. The only reason they ever completely reinvented the wheel in the first place is because the old idea wasn’t popular or didn’t catch on and stay popular. Every time they found an idea that stayed popular for a while they stuck with it. Be it Gameboy to Gameboy Color, or DS to 3DS. The only time they drastically changed their approach was with the Wii due to the GameCube not selling, and the Wii U due to the Wii falling off.

I think people fundamentally misunderstand Nintendo‘s approach. There’s a lot more layers of complexity than meets the eye. Yes they like to innovate but they don’t like to throw away a working concept that’s popular. Now. If Switch falls off at some point and people just lose interest in hybrid gaming, then ya. I could see them upending the table. But as long as the hybrid approach remains crazy popular I don’t see them deviating to the left or to the right. And I think it will remain crazy popular indefinitely.

I think moving forward, any innovation will manifest itself via controllers and software (LABO, Mario Kart Live, etc), and revisions of their hybrid hardware that has a more specific focus (like Switch Lite).

@JaxonH I'm not saying they will churn out something similar to their patents (some of that stuff is like...really, you paid legal to submit that?) but I think that Nintendo's goals first and foremost are keeping costs down and leveraging old tech. Again, this may change now but they got so burned after the gamecube which was a powerful box at the time barring the media used, that they kinda went into play it safe mode. Now that being said, their way to play it safe was to essentially iterate on the gamecube, but change the approach to gameplay with the wii and wiiu, and that is more of what I'm talking about. They might keep the innards in the same line but how you play could change. When I think of Nintendo innovation I think of changes that may seem weird at the time but push gaming forward. More buttons on the snes controller, joystick on the n64 and its shape (I loved the trident...so great for my smaller at the time hands), motion control, hybrid consoles, gamepad (I will love mine forever). I'm not being negative, they imo don't add stuff just to add it...there is a thought behind gameplay behind it...even if it doesn't catch on. Heck I was certain when the ds came out that I'd have to exit gaming due to having one eye. I have like 6 3ds systems and a ds lite.

Not sure how it would change, but I'm not an engineer. And considering my brother is one, I can say their brains go into thought spaces that are head-scratchers at first until you get the finished product.

I mean I'll buy what ever it is either way so long as it isn't VR, but the only real reason that I worry about that is many devs outside of nintendo don't know what to do when they don't get a powerbox to cover their optimization mistakes and lack of creativity. I look at the wii and so many games didn't know what to do with motion controls.

@Rexenoboy that’s rubbish, there were loads more to it than those games. Star Fox, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Pokemon Snap, Wave Race, Pokemon Stadium, Turok, 1080, Star Wars Racer, Doom, Crusin USA, F Zero, Star Wars Rogue Squadron, Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil, WWF No Mercy, Pilot Wings, Paper Mario, Sin and Punishment etc. WWF No Mercy even has an active community going today.

People are looking at it with rose tinted nostalgia glasses and forgot that for every Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark and Diddy Kong Racing there was a Conker, Mickey Mouse racing, Blast Corps, Killer Instinct Gold which didn’t even sell well from Rare.

@jump Resident Evil was definitely not remembered nearly as well on N64 as it was on PlayStation, and neither was Mega Man Legends. RE2 on N64 was like a miracle port, but I don't immediately think of it as an N64 game at all. I'd even be more likely to remember the GameCube version before the N64 game

Even so I'd still personally consider the N64 library to easily be close to the worst of any Nintendo console personally.

Personally, I'm not be opposed to the possibility of the Switch becoming the iPhone of console gaming. Continue to use NVIDIA's Tegra mobile chipsets and offer customers mid-gen iterative hardware refreshes every few years. All software is compatible regardless of which version of Switch you're using, with varying degrees of performance based on the version. I feel Nintendo made an all-in bet with the Switch concept when they consolidated their internal dev teams back in 2015.

Whether the next iteration of Switch uses traditional analog and face button controls or some psychedelic hands-free gesture controls, who knows? But I am curious about how Nintendo will follow up on the Switch's wildly successful concept.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/03/nintendo_handheld_p...

@TheFrenchiestFry

Saving the "worst" library for Virtual Boy are we?

@Ryu_Niiyama
This one specifically:

@Eel @jump
I said many people think that way, not all.
Just compare the amount of talk Rare games from the N64 era are getting compared to anything else not made by Nintendo. Yes, a couple more Nintendo games proper are in those conversations as well and I should probably have mentioned those, but other than that not many games from the N64 era get mentioned a lot... if at all.

Also, try to make the distinction of your inner circles compared to the general audience. It's not because yours had a lot more talk about other N64 games, that other circles did as well. I've been on several different gaming forums throughout the years and when it comes to N64 games a vast majority keeps talking about first party Nintendo and Rare games. Thus, when Rare games became out of reach for Nintendo, suddenly a ton of people questioned the validity of bringing N64 games over to newer consoles, acting like a third of the library was suddenly gone... while we all know that's not the case of course.

Anyway, I hope I made myself more clear this time.

@JaxonH I think they may deviate from the hybrid style because they're doing nothing about the drift issue. Usually when there's a gigantic hardware fault it gets fixed like even Microsoft did stuff to address the RROD issues on Xbox 360 but Nintendo's saying the drift problem isn't a real issue so it feels like Nintendo may be sweeping the problem under the rug knowing there's a different style of hardware incoming. So like 2022 comes along and Nintendo announces a completely different system for launch in March 2023 (as in the comparison between Switch and the new hardware is as drastic as the comparison between GC and Wii).

@Toy_Link Oh. That's old. You had me thinking I missed something for a sec. Thanks for replying though.

@Grumblevolcano
1 I don’t think drift is any indicator of Nintendo’s choice of hardware direction, whatsoever.
2 They’re not sweeping it under the rug when they’re literally offering free replacements.
3 Nintendo never said it wasn’t a problem- contrary to what law firms want you to think to round up support, Nintendo’s Furukawa is on record apologizing to players for drift.
4 Drift is clearly an issue. Many have experienced it. But at 65 million Switches sold, 130 million joycon or analogs in the Wild, not even counting additional pairs sold, how many really experience it? It’s definitely an issue, and I hope they lose in court, but clearly not that big an issue. Either the problem has been partially addressed to at least extend mean time to failure, or the actual failure rate isn’t as bad as people think, given they’re offering free repairs and no company on earth is dumb enough to offer free repairs yet intentionally neglect fixing the problem if it’s truly a high enough failure rate to significantly eat into their profits.
5 Nintendo’s poor choices in properly responding are just that- poor choices. I’m not sure what they’re thinking. Either they have data for repair requests that paints a percent defective story different than common internet legend suggests, or they’ve addressed the problem enough to extend “mean time to failure“ long enough to be more reasonable for the tech, or they believe most joycon should be covered by the initial 1-yr warranty. Who knows. But what I can say, is those choices are very unlikely to have anything to do with a radical departure regarding hardware design.

That’s just not a very likely take, I’m afraid.

@JaxonH I think they only do it in the US (and maybe Japan?). I've looked, but I can't find anything on free Joy Con repair over here. I'd have to send it in for general repairs and pay for it.

@Octane
I’m aware.

But that doesn’t help support the argument that it’s an indicator they’re going to make a huge departure in terms of hardware design. That makes no sense. “Sweeping it under the rug” or not, it’s no indicator of future hardware design intent.

@Ryu_Niiyama Interesting profile pic

I've actually had one of those instances where a really popular/good game was released and I had no idea until I either randomly saw a trailer days before it's release, or I see a review on it later.

@App The site takes a while to update my icon for me, so not sure if you are referring to my Netossa/Spinnerella image or my Perfume images. If you are referring to the Perfume image, that is actually my trademark. I only had the Netossa/Spinnerella one up for so long because I left the site for a few months. Perfume is on my profile banner as well, and referenced in my Signature.

@Ryu_Niiyama I saw your Netossa pic first, now I can see your perfume profile. I like it too

@App Oh. Haha, binged She-Ra and the princesses of power. It's deeply moving even as an adult to find cartoons the are representation, even moreso as Netossa is Black. Wish I had a cartoon like that as a child. I cried by the end. Of course cuz I'm old I'm more invested in the Battle Wives rather than the Foe Yay with Adora and Catra. (From a pure writing perspective I don't think Catra deserved redemption but none the less I'm happy her relationship exists.)

On Topic:

Is anybody getting torchlight 3? I love one and 2 but I know there has been a change in devs and I am hearing that 3 isn't good....