Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@FragRed We'll see about that. I'd love to try PSVR one day, and I do believe that the tech is sufficient enough, but I have yet to see a killer app that can win me over. So far, most of the games have been glorified tech demos, and the rest looks like shovelware. Reminds me of the Wii in some ways. Until then, I'm still waiting for that single game that can show PSVR is a must-have. RE7 could've done that, but I heard that the visuals are a big step down from the on-screen experience. It's unfortunate, so maybe next gen? Who knows!

I don't think most people wants to lug around a second device. But it might be good to have for the kids in the car or having it with you to the summer home. And in those cases it won't matter if it is the size of a tablet or a phone.

I really am against these remasters, especially of MK8. Why do this? Paying the same rate as a brand new MK game but actually receiving the WiiU game repackaged? It frustrates me that we can't have a new MK9 to buy on launch. I might as well just keep my WiiU out and not fork out the money for a near enough NX clone.

@BiasedSonyFan
Well people can read into it that way if they want. But the original source was the wsj. I don't think they were being tricky with their wording. After seeing a 470? Your reaction wouldn't be that one. Let's be honest. But you might say that about a mobile device pushing xbone-ish graphics.

Like the iPhone. Compared to laptops? It's average. Entry-level even. But as a phone it's "industry leading"

So i wanted to take note and list all the things some nitable consumer sources were saying about NX.

I decided not to. The general response across the Internet is "Meh" at its high with the oy positive, if it can bs called that, being using carts.

The Gaming Brit did a lengthy rant about why Nintendo is bad with the comments being almost universal agreement. Zero Punctuation has done a segment on the Capcom 5 under the "Lets all laugh at an industry that never learns anytging teeheehee" segment which weng from Capcom not being able to shut up and these games managing to be evrrywhere to "Its Nintendi's fault for drinking bleach".

Numerous tech bloggers have said they are unoptimstic as well.

Seeing a trend? The nintendoom is strong. Maybe that report about Nintendo being out of the industry for the most part by 2020 is accurate Iunnio.

All I know is my team is pledging support to this damn mystery box. XD

@BLPs

I think anything but a PS4 Pro/Xbox Scorpio type machine from Nintendo is always going to get a lukewarm reception on the internet by core gamers. But I think a hybrid device in line with what eurogamer made out would still sell well especially if it launches at an affordable price point (e.g. $250). I think it could sell extremely well if its power was on par with a PS4 rather than somewhere between a PS4 and Wii U as the rumour made out.

I hope Nintendo doesnt go out of the console business they are my favorite company. Dont want to imagine a world without pokemon or Monster Hunter Mario and Zelda and many others.

@osaco Which games? There's a difference between running an Animal Crossing in 1080p at 60fps and the upcoming Mass Effect game for example (or even Zelda BOTW).

BREAKING NEWS: Zelda Williams has confirmed she will not be announcing the Nintendo NX

https://twitter.com/zeldawilliams/status/786645922432233472

@dtjive I hope so. Im working on what will hopefully be the 6th confirmed title XD If it sells then great.

@BiasedSonyFan I played every Wii U game I have with the Pro Controller, so no, I really do find all the joy in the games and want to use hardware that is as "subtle" as possible so I can focus on the game and its story.

But you're right, N64 and GC had great games and they still failed. I honestly don't know what people want. I do know however that many people still consider N64 or GC their favorite console. I don't know anybody whose favorite console is Wii however (which was economically immensely successful though).

In the end, I think games are what makes long-term fans. Gimmicks may win people for a generation, but they're a gamble every time again. I think what it takes for Nintendo to succeed, is great games + right marketing. They've never been experts in the latter.

On the subject of VR: it's far too expensive to be anything but niche. Maybe it'll be great later, but it just seems to be motion controls all over again with a headset. I could be wrong, but I doubt it's the "future of gaming".

@SLIGEACH_EIRE She knows what the NX is!... or maybe Zelda Williams is the NX!!

@ntdojoe Times are different though. I don't think it's as simple as saying that the N64 and GameCube were traditional consoles, and since they failed, people don't want traditional consoles from Nintendo. I do believe there's a market for everything, but I also think that the N64 and GameCube had other major problems. The competition was just better at most things; marketing, game deals, easier to develop for, DVD playback was a huge deal on the PS2, and the list goes on.

@TheLZdragon Indeed, just like how motion control was hyped up ten years ago to be the future of gaming. It's still present, and traditional controllers have adapted some form of motion control with gyro control, but it's nowhere near as popular as it once was. VR has the problem that it always requires more powerful hardware to run games as smoothly as on TV. So, using the same console, the VR experience will always be visually less impressive. Sure, it may be more immersive, but rendering two screens at once does have its downsides. And it's another expensive piece of hardware, the most important factor. I'm sure it'll create its own niche market over time, but I don't expect VR to take over traditional gaming anytime soon.

The biggest problem with the N64 was that the games cost way too much. Both because of the cost of games at retail in general but also because Playstation games were a lot easier to pirate. And little things like gaming magazines for Playstation coming with demo disks. On the N64 that wasn't a thing.

But I think the N64 vs PS1 was an extreme example. It's probably the only time where there was such a large difference between consoles. And those hardware differences largely sealed Nintendo's fate. Every other generation? I think we can scrape over the coals and find some reason or another. But really, it's a bit of a coin toss.

There are far too many variables to determine what the market truly wants. However, one thing that works is effective PR and marketing.

… the want is always artificial.

It’s important for nintendo to work on the internet narrative. Most of the fun appeal of the wii U was drowned by internet sentiment. If you help that part, you’ll have half your marketing done for you.

In previous generations the cheapest and most expensive consoles sold the best. The one with the most exclusives and the one without. The one with the gimmick and the one with the horsepower. The one that did all the media things and the one that focused on the games. The one that was marketed heavily and the one that came out of nowhere.

All you can say for sure is that the market wants the console that ends up selling the most units.

Couple things about consumer demands and wants, the issues that make Nintendo consoles sell poorly, and the NX hybrid concept...

As I see it, the fewer expensive devices people need to buy, and the more value/variety of uses a device offers, the better. For example, the more things I can do with my PC, the less other devices I need. Hey, I bought a PS3 only because it has a Bluray-player (and I don't mind being able to get the great exclusives too).

This is part of the problem with Nintendo consoles. Nintendo has usually offered almost 100% gaming centered devices. The additional media features have been an afterthought. Also the unconventional hardware design choices have left Nintendo with a relatively poor multiplatform support.
Meanwhile especially the PlayStation has appeared as a perfect livingroom centerpiece with a great library of games, movie/music playback and decent online features.
And again, most people have to make a choice, because buying multiple expensive devices with a particular purpose is a privilige of a few.

The same goes with software. It's almost too much to have to buy multiple licenses to Windows and other software for multiple devices, but fortunately gaming is different.
It's great to have my whole Steam library available with me at home on a desktop and on-the-go on a laptop (it'd be great to have a DS/Vita like Steam machine!).

So that's why I like the idea of a hybrid Nintendo of sorts. A single multi-use device and/or a single game library that's "always" available.
(Please let it have great performance and awesome online/multimedia features as well - I wouldn't mind paying top dollar for that)

Jeez Louise on a pogo stick there were actually people who thought Zelda Williams would have anything to do with the NX's launch, not least the actual reveal of it.

If you were one of those people there's nothing more that needs to be said than what she already said. Calm. Down.

The video game hype culture has to be one of the most reprehensible things about modern gaming, I don't at all envy the genuine people involved in creating and promoting games because from the 'AAA' games that thrive in it to the rabid people that eat it up it's an absolute dumpster fire.

Unbelievable.