Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

So to those interested, the 1st October event at Nintendo NY was a Disney Magical World 2 event featuring a celebrity.

Also here's some more insanity:

You're making the assumption that Nintendo is competing with them. And anyways, I've seen this point argued both ways. You're saying that Nintendo can't wait because Microsoft and Sony will get in people's heads with their new hardware first. However I've lost count of the number of times people in this thread have argued the opposite. That Nintendo needs to wait until after Sony and Microsoft do their push because otherwise they're competing for our attention. That the NX reveal can't line up with the launch of the PSVR and so on.

Frankly I like your theory better but only because I'm impatient. If I try to remove myself from what I want to see and instead try and ask what's best for the NX? I don't think the date of the reveal really matters that much. Not the how or the when. In the end I think only four things will matter. The marketing just before launch, the price, the availability and the launch lineup.

I'm not sure that the form is the concept or the ability to plug it into your TV. Especially if we're talking about tablet devices. In terms of the tech itself that SMD linked bit of vaporware is just an entry level Android tablet. One with HDMI out and a bluetooth controller included. That has been done before.

What I thought was exciting about the Eurogamer rumour were the internal specs. How that played into all of this. How from the ground up the NX as Eurogamer said it was was a bit of both. That SMD bit of plastic vaporware isn't a hybrid. It's a tablet that has a few features it can't really use. The NX Eurogamer was talking about? It's a portable console you can play on your TV. The internals matter.

That seems to be the only way Nintendo fans get what they want these days, they make it themselves.

BTW, the vaporware SMD linked to? It's not the only device on the market that has the "same" concept. Supposedly. If it's the form of the controllers that makes the Eurogamer leak/rumour. I don't think it is but for arguments sake....

Here's a very similar sort of thing for iPad/iPhone: https://www.gamevice.com/

Now is that anything like the SMD device? Well no, not really. But it is however still "identical" to the Eurogamer concept. Which says a couple of things. It shows how broadly the Eurogamer article can be interpreted. It also shows us that we shouldn't be surprised there are devices that sound similar on the market already.

As far as that device SMD brought up, didn't the same thing happen with the DS? I heard somewhere that there was some type of niche phone that used touch screen technology before the DS did.

EDIT: Here's something:

http://briskfx.com/history-of-touchscreen/

So yeah, that doesn't exactly rule out the idea. Nintendo would just "innovate" in the sense that they would popularize the idea.

Nice strawman, I never said that. I never said anything about the "world population" either. I just said that all this armchair analysis about the reveal is doing my head in. Because in the end it doesn't matter that much. People are talking as if somehow the NX will live or die on whether it's announced in October or December. It won't. It'll live or die for 2017 based on how good the launch itself is. It doesn't even have a name yet and people are talking about EOL.

But if you must know what would happen "if it was up to me". I would've had a reveal at E3 this year. You get the most engagement with the core audience, you can sell the concept. You undermine any of the industry leaks and so on. Not a full software lineup but just a product shot and general concept. Then you sit on that for a while and let people chatter. And sometime around now you drop details about the software lineup. That's how I'd do it if it was up to me.

But it's not and frankly I reckon the people running the show are more qualified than any of us are. Well that and they have far more information about what it is than we do. It's very easy to complain about them not telling us what it is when we want to know. But they know what it is so they're in a far better position to say what the best approach to the reveal is than we are.

@BiasedSonyFan
I never said they were infallible. Actually I didn't really say that much at all. All I said was that it's doing my head in all this armchair analysis. We don't have anywhere near enough information to make those sorts of criticisms. For a start we don't know how it will be revealed or when it'll be revealed. And that's what you're complaining about here. And in the end it doesn't really matter how this thing is revealed anyways. What matters is how it launches, the price, what software it has and so on.

Really, the only reason people are complaining is because they're impatient. I'm just calling it out for what it is. We're all in the dark here and we want some news but that doesn't mean that Nintendo are wrong. And frankly I don't know why you are so offended by me pointing that out.

And while I'm here. What puzzling decisions? This isn't the first time I've heard someone say that. Maybe last time it was also you, I don't remember. But last time someone said that on these forums I asked them to list the "bad decisions" Nintendo has made in recent years. They couldn't.

The announcement date does matter though, because that's part of the marketing strategy, and that will play a role in how well the launch does and its general performance. If they can't catch gamers' attention and spread the word, they're not going to have a good launch. And if they wait until after the wave of marketing for the PS4 Pro and all of the games releasing this holiday, no one's going to care about what Nintendo's doing. That's why it's so crucial they reveal it soon.

I would be willing to bet those soo called bad decisions are pertaining specifically to the Wii U because anytime someone brings up anything bad with Nintendo, It always ends up at the Wii U. Yes we get it. We all know the console didn't sell well. That's old news and has been for quite some time now. But now it's time to look forward into the future that we cannot fully see yet because Nintendo has not given us the future yet and untill they do all we can do is speculate.

I would be willing to bet those soo called bad decisions are pertaining specifically to the Wii U because anytime someone brings up anything bad with Nintendo, It always ends up at the Wii U. Yes we get it. We all know the console didn't sell well. That's old news and has been for quite some time now. But now it's time to look forward into the future that we cannot fully see yet because Nintendo has not given us the future yet and untill they do all we can do is speculate.

@Bolt_Strike
The messaging pre-launch matters. Whether it's 12 months, 6 months or 3 months between reveal and doesn't. The content of the launch lineup matters. The presentation of the announcement does not. Not to the same degree anyways.

Sorry for the double post. I didnt mean to do that.

You're not listening. The timing of the announcement is related to the messaging, especially now that Microsoft and Sony are promoting their own hardware. Nintendo can't effectively spread their messaging if Microsoft and Sony cut in first and drive home that the industry has moved ahead of them, then no one will bother to pay attention to Nintendo.

@Bolt_Strike That's not how it works. If the device is interesting the media will follow.

And from seeing the majority reaction to Sonys Pro, it wasn't received with praise exactly.

Not really. The media is obsessed with specs and power, Nintendo's tendency to opt for lower powered consoles means they get treated as a second class citizen. So if Nintendo waits until after the Neo and Scorpio to promote another underpowered console it'll be ignored, they'll be too far behind for people to care. Whereas if they get ahead of that marketing and it's competitive with the base PS4/XBO models the market will be more willing to at least listen while they're waiting for Neo and Scorpio and maybe get some people to buy it based on its own merits.

I don't think there's some sort of FIFO queue system for news. I don't think Nintendo are trying to sell this thing to the same audience. Frankly I don't think Sony and Microsoft's new hardware is being thought about as "new hardware" either. Basically, I get the argument you're trying to make here. I'm listening to it. I understand what you're saying. I just don't agree with it on any level.

Nintendo don't market and on the rare occasion that they do, very often it's awful. If the NX is weak then the thing is dead from the get go. They tried to hood wink us with both the Wii and Wii U in terms of not releasing its specs prior to launch. We knew what the Gamecube was beforehand. With Wii and Wii U, we had to rely on Digital Foundry to open up the consoles to get an idea of what it was truly capable of. If Nintendo say nothing about what the hardware is and what levels of performance it has then it's more than likely a dud. It's just like E3 and how they skip the presentations because they've nothing to brag about. The same with the NPD. Most months we hear nothing from them unless they've something to brag about.

The ''majority'' of people isn't actually the majority of people that will be buying the system, so it's a moot point. Problem is, we already knew what the Pro was going to be, and it turned out exactly like we expected. The PS4 Slim? We already had our hands on that system before it was revealed. The reveal was a bit of a snoozefest, with Cerny giving us a 30 minute lecture on the history of 4K TVs. It was sort of interesting if you're into tech stuff, just not the thing that people expected from a Sony event; live orchestra, fireworks, big explosions and Kojima announcing three new games. Add to that the fact that the vast majority of viewers couldn't see the 4K and HDR benefits on their screen. It was always going to be a difficult system to market, when the most important benefit can't be demonstrated with an online video.

Anyway; I think the Pro will do fine in the end, cause when it hits the store shelves at the price of $399, people won't care how the system was reveal, most wouldn't even know. Then again, I've also always argued that the entry-level price of $299 for the PS4 Slim and Xbox One S will be a more important factor for the holiday season.

What this means for NX? It doesn't really matter how they'll reveal it. As long as the system has the software, is reasonably priced and is marketed well. Nintendo set up high expectations, so I expect that there will be many people disappointed and complain about it online (maybe I'll even join that group!), but those people don't make up the majority of the crowd the system will be targeted at, so I think that it'll be fine regardless of how many people complain about it online, provided that the system is an interesting product with good software, a good price and is marketed well.

@Octane Well moot point or not we all saw the lackluster presentation that was well your right, about the history of 4k televisions instead of the actual console. LOL