If that's true, something on par with the Xbox One. That means that the PS4 still outclasses the system. And once the PS5 and Xbox whatever launch two years later, the NX will be all the way at the bottom again in terms of power. If it's true, I don't expect it to do any better than the Wii U has done commercially.
@Octane: well the simple truth is that Nintendo probably can't make a higher spec device at a reasonable price point. And with the Wii U failure and 3ds competition I doubt they'll go for "premium prices" ever again.
@NewAdvent: Yeah I think a handheld/console shared ecosystem is the most likely and logical scenario, with games scaling down on the portable. That or a Wii U-level hybrid, where the gamepad is the handheld main system that can be taken on the go and the "console" is the just a TV pairing device. And games would be on 32 or 64 gigabyte high speed SD cards.
If that's true, something on par with the Xbox One. That means that the PS4 still outclasses the system. And once the PS5 and Xbox whatever launch two years later, the NX will be all the way at the bottom again in terms of power. If it's true, I don't expect it to do any better than the Wii U has done commercially.
Well if sony really wants to run a 5 year cycle with this. They pushed a 7 year cycle with the ps3, they might do the same with the 4. In which case, nintendo would be gambling a "me too" for a 5 year stint and then run in sync.
It would do away with much of the "different" though. It woud be unlike nintendo, a big gamble, indeed commercially not as viable - nah, I'm thinking it's a crappy rumour.
@erv: I mean I'd imagine the core goal is, at least i hope, is to streamline and unite their development teams, wich they've done. The goal I'd think is to streamline their game development process, pump out software faster while maintaining nintendo quality, and reducing delays as much as possible.
Though if NX is indeed coming out next year, I don't think a behind closed doors meeting at CES is unthinkable.
@WebHead: I agree, the behind closed doors sessions are very feasible. I also wonder with regards to timing as Nintendo previously stated they were bent on focusing on discussing stuff that is releasing on a shorter timeframe.
The flakey nature of the rumours make me lean towards us seeing the handheld first though.
If that's true, something on par with the Xbox One. That means that the PS4 still outclasses the system. And once the PS5 and Xbox whatever launch two years later, the NX will be all the way at the bottom again in terms of power. If it's true, I don't expect it to do any better than the Wii U has done commercially.
People make a huge deal about the gap between the PS4 and XBOne but in reality there's only about a 30% gap in raw GPU performance. Less in actual realisable performance. I mean the Wii U had quite a bit more of a gap above the PS3 and that didn't stop people writing it off. Unless they're pushing for 2x the PS4 I doubt anyone would even notice what spec it was.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, I struggle to see how this would gain marketshare. You'd have to assume they'd do it with software but isn't that the Wii U all over again? But even so, if they are going with a new home console the XBOne spec is a sensible target. Especially if they want a budget machine.
@skywake: Like I said before Skywake, People really need to get this "$500 beast pseudo PC" out of their heads. Simply making a more powerful system won't just magically erase nintendo's problems.
If that's true, something on par with the Xbox One. That means that the PS4 still outclasses the system. And once the PS5 and Xbox whatever launch two years later, the NX will be all the way at the bottom again in terms of power. If it's true, I don't expect it to do any better than the Wii U has done commercially.
People make a huge deal about the gap between the PS4 and XBOne but in reality there's only about a 30% gap in raw GPU performance. Less in actual realisable performance. I mean the Wii U had quite a bit more of a gap above the PS3 and that didn't stop people writing it off. Unless they're pushing for 2x the PS4 I doubt anyone would even notice what spec it was.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, I struggle to see how this would gain marketshare. You'd have to assume they'd do it with software but isn't that the Wii U all over again? But even so, if they are going with a new home console the XBOne spec is a sensible target. Especially if they want a budget machine.
I expected the difference to be less than that. I wasn't trying to make a point of the difference in power between the Xbox One and the PS4, but just saying that the PS4 would still be the most ''powerful'' console if the rumour is true. Still more powerful than Nintendo's next gen system.
Xbox One specs are definitely possible (I'd call it the bare minimum), but I cannot see how that would improve the current situation in any way.
However you choose to look at the NX, one thing's for certain: Nintendo's definitely got their work cut out for them. There are a lot of things to consider and even more things they need to get right — not "Nintendo right" but real-world 100% correct. Some of these things are:
Create a hardware architecture in the interest of the people who'll be tasked with making software for it: the developers
Somehow enticing third-parties back (the above is definitely a simple way to achieve that)
Deliver a system with real specs: it doesn't need to be bleeding edge but no more under-powered toys
There are other things as well but I think those are some of the more important points. And Nintendo's incredibly STUPID for even letting things get to this point. I really hope this new guy Kimishima tries to take them in a more contemporary direction because they sorely need it. I loathe Nintendo's reliance on gimmicks but honestly, if they get everything else right they can add on whatever crap features they always feel they need to — as long as the NX delivers (which I'm totally skeptical it will).
@skywake: Like I said before Skywake, People really need to get this "$500 beast pseudo PC" out of their heads. Simply making a more powerful system won't just magically erase nintendo's problems.
I think that's true whether they're marginally under the XBOne or 2x above the PS4. Either road is going to be hard because the PS4 is in full swing. Each one has its own ups and downs. At least if they're pushing it to be around the XBOne they can go for a low price point.... at the cost of longevity
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@skywake: To me NX launching next year means 2 things: Handheld or a rebranded, enhanced wii u with a more advanced OS and a more traditional controller for $200
I really don't understand how people think a portable system that scales down home system games would work. That would mean every home system game would need to run on the lower end system and there is no real reason to add things to the game for the more powerful system. If that option is only available for select games then it would still be two systems with mostly separate libraries. The more likely scenario would be the home console would be able to run most of the portable games, without any type of scaling. More unified library with less work on both developer and Nintendo sides.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
They don't need new hardware to have portable/home consoles talking to each other. And even with new hardware they're not going to make a portable with an x86/PPC processor or a home console with an ARM processor. They technically could do that but it's not very practical and very, very unlikely.
I think if they go the budget console route, like "New Wii U" with a different name, more standard controller, more advanced os, maybe the gimmick will be universal off TV play streaming for Mac, Windows 10, iOS, and Android devices?
@WebHead: Microsoft has it, Sony has it, Valve has it. The only major player who doesn't do PC remote play is Nintendo and they were the ones who went all in on the idea with the Wii U. I'd say it's an exceptionally safe bet and at this point an expected feature rather than a selling point.
@skywake: true but I think the core concepts would be well an affordable, accessible game console. $199.99 pricetag, backwards compatible, completely free online, much lower power consumption. Plus I imagine that if they can use the same Wii U engines, Nintendo can pump out more software at a faster rate than they did with Wii U.
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