Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@JaxonH I mean, the main reason PC exclusives for XBox don't matter for me personally is that I do in fact have a gaming PC. So when I'm trying to decide between trying to get a PS4 or XB1 for cheap as the generation is winding down, XB1 just has absolutely no pull. I'm honestly expecting the XB2 or whatever it's called to blow the PS5 out of the water, but right now...? There's no reason for me to have both a PC and and XB1. I don't know if that'll change next generation or not, but... yeah.

@-Green- Yeah, the 2018 conference is going to go down as infamous for Sony. At least Ubisoft's was fun, between the crazy dancers and bringing out a full band to play Kirkhope tunes. Sony's just pissed off EVERYONE who watched with that stunt.

@-Green- It was a 13-minute break in a conference that lasted one hour and 15 minutes, and they had some trailers of Destiny and COD iirc. I don't care about any of that, and I dislike Sid Shuman with a passion, but it wasn't as bad as some make it out to be. Very poor pacing for that particular moment, but it was only a small portion of the conference. Just don't do it again.

As for E3 conferences, I fondly remember Ninty's 2014 Direct. That had everything, from Yoshi, Kirby and Captain Toad, to the BOTW reveal, Splatoon, Smash Bros., trailers for games like Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade X and Hyrule Warriors, and even the Star Fox tease that was enough to get a lot of people excited (until the game happened ).

Well as far as we can tell, Nintendo really didn't have anything else to show that would've fitted with their less than 9 months away strategy. Apart from Labo Toy-Con 03 and some DLC news like Elma for XC2 and Splatoon content (of which they already shared other XC2 and Splatoon 2 news at E3), all the reveals since the end of E3 have been 3rd party releases that if announced at E3 would've gotten the same time allocated as games like DB FighterZ. Civilization VI may sound like huge news but it would've just got a few seconds thrown in the highlight reel.

@subpopz we are a lot in that case, you can trust me on that... :/

@subpopz That's partly why I also don't like Sony's conferences personally. They announce games way too early, jerking us around for 2+ years. Horizon Zero Dawn, Detroit: Become Human, God of War 2018, The Last Guardian, and ****ing Death Stranding is going to get 50 bajillion trailers before it comes out in the year 20XX.

Nintendo wasn't much better with jerking over people with BotW and now Bayonetta 3 and Prime 4, but overall they're sticking to nearby releases. Some slip through the cracks like Fire Emblem and Yoshi, but they're good with a lot of release dates for their games tbh.

@link3710
I know what I said doesnt apply for everyone, but it's pretty common for people to dismiss them wholesale, as if just because the games may not appeal to them due to being on PC, that means they have no appeal on the wider market.

I have a PC also, but I still prefer X1X to Steam. Not only because the games look about as good as I could ever want (4K 30fps or 1080p 60fps upscaled by my TV to 4K, sometimes full 4K 60fps like Wolfenstein 2), but they come with the advantage of console easy access. Quick boot, quick launch, none of the PC issues...

But ya, there's a lot of people who dont game on PC, or even if they do theyd still prefer console gaming if given a choice, which X1 provides.

I pretty much stick to PC exclusives and Steam games that can run on my GPD Win 2. Anything else Id rather play on X1, PS4 or Switch. And I know for some, PC is their preferred platform, and I'm betting Xbox doesn't have much appeal for that demographic, but for everyone else, it's a solid system.

It's greatest weakness is simply not being a PS4, which has SO many more games not on Xbox (and in fact, even Switch is starting to get a lot of these games that come to PS4 and not X1). But X1X is the best power console on the market, has all the multiplats and a fair selection of exclusives, and BC for OG Xbox and 360. Its kind of a one stop shop.

I mean, Id still pick PS4 over X1 any day just because of the massive lineup of games not on X1, but... it depends what you're looking for. X1X is by far the best hardware to play multiplats on, and with full BC of every generation prior with 4K, and a small but respectable list of exclusives, I think it's a decent proposition, depending on what a person is looking for.

@link3710
For me the fact that XBOne is basically just an extension of the Microsoft store is part of what makes it the more appealing option. If I was to get a PS4/XBOne it'd probably be the XBOne because games I could play games brought digitally for it on my PC. The XBOne S also has UHD BluRay playback.

.... but TBH if I was to get another machine for under my TV for gaming it'd probably be a PC. What I'd likely do is build something that could do 4K with the games I already own on Steam. Much cheaper than having to build a library of games again.

Either way, you're right. Neither of these consoles are that appealing if you have a PC already.

Is the fifa demo coming to switch also?

@subpopz
Its absolutely not a valid reason.

Just because you have a PC doesn't mean the games have no appeal to anyone else in the world. Not everyone has a PC or games on PC or prefers PC even if they do. So dismissing it outright saying there's no reason to buy X1, just because you personally have a PC and game on it and prefer it, is illogical.

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But lets make sure we're clear. Im not saying you personally can't say its a reason for yourself. Of course you can. But you can't apply it as a reason wholesale, dismissing it entirely for everyone just because of your own situation, because as I said, not everyone has a PC, not everyone that has one games one it, and not everyone that games on it prefers it.

It's a glass is half full/empty thing. Either you look at it from a point of view where every game is a selling point for a console, and that especially applies to someone who doesn't own a console/PC at all and is looking to buy one. Or you're mainly looking at exclusives, and that's more true for people who own all three consoles and have a good gaming PC. In the latter case I can see why Xbox One is kinda redundant. It's a personal thing, it depends on what you own and what you're looking for.

I think a very important distinction between console and pc gaming is the culture surrounding it. A console lives in a living room, under a TV. You tend to play it on the couch and it has a much more social connotation to it. PC gaming you play in the corner of a dark room, face up to a monitor (or two), on a hard table and a chair while you get myopia and need glasses. (Ok, I am painting with a very large brush but I fear this is the general accepted perception from most folk you would ask on a street!) And so, you can convince folk all you want that it's the best version of a game, but unless they are obsessed with video games, PC gaming is just unappealing to them.
Xbox isn't reduntant for Microsoft, because it lets them target a different audience for their live services.

This is the reason I don't think VR is a good fit for consoles.

But I also think Xbox is seen as redundant in PC circles. PC gamers have overall been more positive to switch because it actually adds value.

Also, it depends on who is the gamer.
If the gamer is like me, Nintendo will always be the one they choose.
PC, PS4, Xbox, Mobile will be Never on the radar.
Some gamers are looking what games fit with their criteria, not by what most peoples like.

One reason I like consoles more then PC gaming (although I do both) is that there's no guesswork on if your console can run a game. If the game is released for that console, it can run. With a PC you have to look at system requirements and know where your graphics card falls in the "minimum" and "recommended range. You may have to buy a better graphics card, more RAM, and so forth. And you keep having to do so as new games come out. With a console none of is a concern. You only have to know if you want to play that game or not. Okay, sure a high end PC will frequently have far superior graphics to a console. But the console version you know will run without any upgrading of the console or fiddling with settings.

@subpopz att least Asus had steam pre installed on their gaming rigs six years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if the others have as well.

@subpopz strange, my previous gaming computer was a rog and it had it pre-installed.

@Therad Maybe it was done by the retailer?

The line between PC and consoles has become more blurred, but its definitely still there.

I have my PC hooked up to my TV along with my consoles, and I deal with all kinds of issues not present on consoles. Certain games not running right (Wolfenstein New Order and Old Blood at 10fps, despite running New Colossus perfectly), image issues where you have to alt+tab out then click on the taskbar icon and suddenly the image issue is magically resolved, black screens on boot, some games needing windowed mode while others do full screen, some games having full controller support, others partial, others none at all to the point Steam has to auto map, but all the button prompts show keys still in game, constant updates for EVERYTHING (a dozen games need updating every time I start STEAM, even using it several times a week, plus STEAM needs updating, and Windows needs updating, etc etc).

Its just a hassle. When it works it works, and once you get a game playing its fine, but its just easier to boot the X1X and fire up a game you wanna play.

Now, I do use PC for the GPD Win 2, and it still has alot of those issues (although not the 4K incompatibilities since its a 720p screen) but that tradeoff is fine because you're getting the benefits of PC gaming on a handheld, including GameCube and Wii games running native 720p.

Still, if a game is on Switch and Win 2, I go with Switch every time. Just way more convenient. More versatile. More control and playstyle options. But it has merit because so many games on handheld that aren't on Switch. With PC on TV though, most games are on X1 or PS4. The emulators arent but, Id rather play Dolphin on handheld anyways.

I think PC can work as a console, but imo its better suited to a desk, and be powerful enough you never have to worry about any game running max settings. If you have all that, and game with keyboard and mouse where you never have to worry about controller incompatibilities, I can see it being more appealing. But the natural disadvantages start to pile up when its a mid tier PC hooked up to a 4KTV

Ok, so... the Switch...

Anyone think we're about due for Nintendo to make a building/sandbox game? I hope they do it with the Animal Crossing IP, because I can't get into the standard AC style, but I like 3D sandbox.