There's another way to think about it if people want to get stuck in the semantics. Lets just pretend that there is still such a thing as a "generation" of consoles. Each of these revisions is it's own "generation" there's just overlap where there wasn't before. Fine. Who cares what people call it.
Because I'm not talking about the cycle of a specific product. I'm talking about the removal of the ability to buy old hardware as new towards the end of the cycle. About half of the PS3's sales were after 2009. At a point where entry level gaming PCs were getting GPUs with double the raw performance. People who were buying the PS3 at that point were still getting great software but they were being screwed over on the hardware side. And so was Sony.
That late cycle business doesn't help anyone. It could be much better. So I'm glad we're seeing signs of its death. Hopefully Nintendo follows a similar path with the NX.
A graph showing what I'm talking about. How it would impact the install base vs the current model. I used 3DS and DS sales as an example because of how off track this topic has become. Bringing it right back to what this sort of model would mean for the NX. But the same applies to other products.
I think biasedsonyfan wants everything to be as it was before. He is apparently annoyed that ps4 wasn't the power horse he thought it was. And therefore he wants it to be as it was before, Sony and MS subsidize their consoles so he can have the latest specs.
The problem with this train of thought is that consoles must use the graphics chips that PC users already have. Since there are no better gaming chipsets to be found in the market. So either he is stuck with at least 5 year old tech, or he accepts faster cycles.
If a new console generation starts when a new console is released then what generation are we in? How many different versions of NES, SNES, Master System, Genesis, PS2, Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, Game Boy, Game Boy Color, GBA, DS, and 3DS were released? Are we in console generation 20-something now?
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
It's very simple: the new generation starts when the new console is released. That's it.
Why does this apply for NEO/Scorpio but not for the new 3ds?
I am not sure Sony has abandoned the idea of generations yet, nor Nintendo. But MS definitely has with their new paradigm of Xbox as a service. The consoles will become more like reference system than anything else. And yet again, this is a good thing.
I still don't get why you are so vehemently against this. It is good for almost all parts of the industry.
Developers get a bigger user base and does not have to take a big risk to jump on to the new console.
Gamers gets more options, and can jump around a bit more freely between console makers without risking their $400 console gets left in the dust. Gamers also gets a bigger gaming library when they do buy into a console, since they would all be backwards compatible.
Console makers don't have to risk their entire market shareevery time they release a new console. It is a win for everybody.
And the drawback is... some gamers will feel compelled to buy each and every console upgrade. Do I miss something?
No, but it's good to know that your only resort for a "rebuttal" is a snide remark that involves posters who aren't even participating in the discussion. When just agreeing to disagree isn't enough, right? That's too bad.
Yes yes, I am a bad person. Now can you instead focus on the content of my posts? Because frankly it doesn't matter if you have a new name or not.
"All I was saying was the model of console generations in the way it has existed since forever is dead."
That's a very different claim from saying that console generations is dead, full stop. You need to pick one.
I honestly don't think the ways of wording were different things. But since you're being so pedantic what I meant was that the current model of hardware releases is dead. I've meant that from the start and explained it as such. It's not my fault you wanted to pretend I meant something else entirely.
Not that this hypothetical model really changes much if anything; it just shifts dates around. Late adopters would still get left behind (anyone who buys a PS4 now would not be a late adopter, since the PS4 cycle would still continue until 2017/18 in your example); early adopters can start a new console generation early, but they would have to skip some generations in order to maximize console hardware cycles. Right now, I don't it's think it's a good or bad thing. Console sales will determine that.
Not really. Under the current model you can buy a console off the shelf new and have it be basically not supported at all the next year. You can buy a 3DS or Wii U today for example but next year the NX will be a thing. That's not a good thing for the people who buy into those platforms.
But under a model that does away with the idea of "generations" (as they are now)? If the 3DS had hardware revisions following, for example, new Tegra chips? 3DS v1 in 2011 with 5 GFLOPS, v2 in 2014 with 300 GFLOPS and a 2017 v3 with 700 GFLOPS. Imagine if they had announced at E3 that BotW would run on 3DS v2 and above but not the original. How would that be worse than what we have now? No question about it, the current model sucks. A more iterative model would be better.
And it's also better for developers and publishers. As it is when a new console launches there is no install base. Publishers are gambling on the sales coming through. With the NX the thing is going to launch with no install base at all. Zero. If they had been doing a more iterative model from the start? There'd be a good 30mill or so "Nintendo Portable" owners with a new enough model to run those games.
As a side note. I'm not going to get involved with any personal attacks. If you (or anyone else) want to do so then feel free but I'm not going to play ball. I'm not in the mood to play those sort of games. I'll just not quote those points and pretend you haven't said it.
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Does anyone else feel that Nintendo's announcement of the new galaxy 3DS is kinda worrying? The timing seems odd and to have it revealed by Reggie makes me wonder if yet again Nintendo are going to go another month shying away from the NX reveal. Or is it just me?
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Does anyone else feel that Nintendo's announcement of the new galaxy 3DS is kinda worrying? The timing seems odd and to have it revealed by Reggie makes me wonder if yet again Nintendo are going to go another month shying away from the NX reveal. Or is it just me?
I don't think it means anything. At the very most it just means that the next time Nintendo speaks up? It's going to be about the NX. They're clearing this 3DS news out of the way now with little fanfare. Usually they'd throw this sort of news in a direct. They're not. Which could mean they don't think they have space for it.
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Does anyone else feel that Nintendo's announcement of the new galaxy 3DS is kinda worrying? The timing seems odd and to have it revealed by Reggie makes me wonder if yet again Nintendo are going to go another month shying away from the NX reveal. Or is it just me?
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I think it looks stunning btw. My guess is that Nintendo has a set date for the NX reveal, but they haven't announced it. Nothing should change that, barring some catastrophic event.
The funny thing about that is that when the New 3DS launched in late 2014 here? I was on the fence about picking one up. So I waited, then we started hearing about the NX. And that was the end of that.
If they had come out of the gate with a port of Super Mario Galaxy I would have got one in a heartbeat. So having a Galaxy themed New 3DS right at the end of the 3DS' life is a nice closer to the product line.
Did anyone here feel as though the Galaxy 3DS video was originally going to be in a Direct. The style felt more like part of a Direct rather than just a random trailer.
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