@faint We don't know how much resources they're going to be putting into their mobile venture.So even with only 1 console to support,it might not necessarily mean more games.
There hasn't been anything that supports this rumour. I know many media outlets are saying the same thing, but that's just copy+paste work mostly (especially when they're all part of the same media network).
If it's copy + paste work it's because of NDAs. One that either the media are under or their partners are under. If some of these sites came out with specifics there would be ways for Nintendo to find out who told them. If the info is already out there? It's better just point to the original leak.
You say that it means nothing that all the media outlets are publishing this? Well this isn't the first rumour or supposed leak. It is however one of the first ones that has been widely published. With sites like IGN and the WSJ not being silent on it. Instead commenting and saying "yeah, that's about in-line with what we've heard". That's telling.
When Nvidia's shareholder's conference from yesterday clearly pointed in the other direction, it became pretty clear that the Eurogamer rumour has nothing to stand on. Nvidia has clearly no plans for the gaming market is pretty much focussed on AI and high-end car tech. They would've mentioned if they had something coming in the near future
NVidia are masters are keeping things quiet. I've watched live-streams of some of their press events before where the press had no idea what they were about to announce. So I wouldn't read too much into this. I'd also add that Nintendo are also pretty good at this. They've had shareholder meetings where they haven't said much about what's coming up.
The second point I'd make is who else has actually said something? If you're ruling out NVidia because they've dropped the Shield who else is there? Are there any AMD custom chips on the go? Because that was the basis of the SMD speculation. He had three he'd found out about and.... they were Neo, Scropio and the One S.
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Why would there be zero droughts? The merging of the teams doesn't mean more titles it just means cost savings and bigger teams not necessarily more games. I imagine with games like Zelda Breath of the Wild needing so much resources, Nintendo realised they need bigger teams and best way to do that is merge them.
Basically if you want to know what the NX library will look like? Take a look at what games you have or want to get on the 3DS. Then look at the Wii U and do the same. Combine those piles. Then to be conservative lets say for every two games that no reason to exist if that was one platform? Think of something else you wish had existed.
For me that list would look something like this, excluding mutli-platform releases:
Bayonetta 2
Captain Toad
DKC: TF
New SMB U
Nintendo Land
Pikmin 3
Super Mario Maker
Super Mario 3D World
Smash Bros
Mario Kart
Twilight Princess HD
Wind Waker HD
The Wonderful 101
Animal Crossing
Kid Icarus
Zelda ALBW
Luigi's Mansion
MM 3D
OoT 3D
Mario Tennis
Pokemon Y
2 extra games for the 4 repeats
Having a single platform? It means that they wouldn't have needed a second team to remake games on a second platform. Which would save them development time that they could spend on something else. At the same time the games that did only exist on one platform would have been done. With no effort. That above list of games I came up with? If that was a single platform I wouldn't care what the third party support was like.
The second point I'd make is who else has actually said something? If you're ruling out NVidia because they've dropped the Shield who else is there? Are there any AMD custom chips on the go? Because that was the basis of the SMD speculation. He had three he'd found out about and.... they were Neo, Scropio and the One S.
In the mobile space you would have loads options. On the console side you won't find that much. Realistically your only bets are Intel, AMD and Nvidia on the home front. AMD will be the cheaper choice, Nvidia would be the power choice and Intel is probably not realistic. On mobile you would have Adreno (Qualcomm), Mali, PowerVR and Tegra. But most "gamers" would scoff at a mobile GPU in an home console.
I think all we can take from this speculation that the NX is that whether it's one device or two devices will have the same operating system and similar architecture if two separate devices. Everyone seems to be focusing on AMD, Nvidia and Intel supplying the chips.
In the past Iwata has referenced Apple by mentioning a shared OS and we know/assume this happening by the merging of the console and handheld divisions. With this in mind what about the NX device or devices using the ARM cortex chips which if I'm correct are the same chips you will find in the Apples IPhones, iPads and the Apple TV.
While these processors are classed as mobile processors, it could be a route they would take. While most gamers would scoff at that set up, Nintendo doesn't look interested in keeping up with Sony & Microsoft as they have demonstrated this with their last two home consoles.
@Therad
The point is that we have these leaks suggesting it's Tegra. Leaks that nobody who would likely have inside sources has shot down. Leaks that frankly make a lot of sense given what has been said by Nintendo and others about the NX upto this point.
And the counter to it is. Where exactly? A while ago there was that AMD rumour where there were three console GPUs in production. The speculation was that one was for a new PS4, one was a new XBOne and the other was NX. And now we know that the last one was for the XBOne S. So that round of speculation has hit a brick wall. It doesn't make it false but it does mean it's just pure speculation now.
The mobile GPU stuff? There are still balls in the air on that one.
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@Therad
The point is that we have these leaks suggesting it's Tegra. Leaks that nobody who would likely have inside sources has shot down. Leaks that frankly make a lot of sense given what has been said by Nintendo and others about the NX upto this point.
And the counter to it is. Where exactly? A while ago there was that AMD rumour where there were three console GPUs in production. The speculation was that one was for a new PS4, one was a new XBOne and the other was NX. And now we know that the last one was for the XBOne S. So that round of speculation has hit a brick wall. It doesn't make it false but it does mean it's just pure speculation now.
The mobile GPU stuff? There are still balls in the air on that one.
I was a big proponent for home console, as you should know and I believe the leak from Eurogamer. But I think the chipset in itself is such a small part of the rumour, the big part is that NX is an handheld with detachable controllers. This is the big part, trying to shoot it down just because of the tegra part is nonsense. They might have tested out more than one chipset, or just have it in the dev kits because it is similar to the final chipset. But even so, I haven't seen anything really disproving Nvidia as the supplier.
That some dev kits have Tegra in them does make sense in many of the rumours we have had. I can see someone saying "NX is basically a Nvidia Shield" to a friend and someone googles it and find stuff like it runs android, has the power near Xbox One (=900p) and streams game from PC. It fits a bit too well.
But I do hope nintendo have a home console form factor. I am not fond of paying a premium for features I don't care about.
@Therad
With hindsight the WSJ article where they talked about "industry leading chips" is pretty obvious. It's hard to imagine Nintendo making a console that used "industry leading" desktop components. They're not going to sell us a console that has a $1000US desktop GPU in it. But in the mobile space? Industry leading means a very, very different spec.
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@Therad
With hindsight the WSJ article where they talked about "industry leading chips" is pretty obvious. It's hard to imagine Nintendo making a console that used "industry leading" desktop components. They're not going to sell us a console that has a $1000US desktop GPU in it. But in the mobile space? Industry leading means a very, very different spec.
I just thought about it as "industry-leading chipsets in the console market". That isn't hard in my opinion. pc master race ftw!
@skywake Like I said, we'll learn more about it soon, but I find it all rather suspicious. Tegra X1 might've been in the dev kits, just like the 3DS (at least, as far was confirmed), but that doesn't mean the final build will feature the Tegra X1 or X2. So in that regard, everything is still up in the air.
@skywake Like I said, we'll learn more about it soon, but I find it all rather suspicious. Tegra X1 might've been in the dev kits, just like the 3DS (at least, as far was confirmed), but that doesn't mean the final build will feature the Tegra X1 or X2. So in that regard, everything is still up in the air.
But does it really matter which chipset they are using? You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Tegra and Adreno for example. The important part from the leak is that it is an handheld. At least one of the forms.
@Therad True, and I'm not commenting on that part of the rumour. I just find it a rather bold claim from Eurogamer that the NX will feature Nvidia's chipsets when there's little evidence to support that.
On the handheld claims of the rumour. I've said last year that the 3DS needed a successor more than the Wii U. Currently, the tides have changed, and the Wii U's future looks even dimmer. Still, the 3DS is more than five years old and they need to adress their handheld userbase. However, they also need to adress their home console space, it's just the question of how they're going to do that. Whether it's one system that tries to do both or two systems that share a similar ecosystem. Personally I'm a bigger fan of the latter option; it provides more options to consumers and you don't have to pay for features you're not using anyway.
Eurogamer claims it's both and that the NX uses detachable controllers. I'm thinking of something like the Edge tablet. I really have to see it first then. There's a lot of loose parts and it's a concept that definitely needs some explaining. I still think that if the NX doesn't resemble something traditional or familar, they need to reveal it sooner than later. The expectations are currently all over the place. That's two things they need to adress before its release, and communicating hasn't always been their strong suit. I think they really need that extra time to explain what the system is all about.
@Octane
As @Therad said, it's a moot point. The fact that the dev kits were using a Tegra chip really limits what the NX is going to end up being. Even if it ends up being true it might not use that specific chip. But it'll be similar.
The Tegra chip that Nintendo was supposedly going to use in the 3DS before they bailed? Given the year it was probably a Tegra 2. Which was a ~1Ghz dual-core ARM CPU paired with a ~5GFLOP low power GPU. The 3DS has an 800Mhz dual-core ARM CPU and a 4.8GFLOP low power GPU. Pretty similar.
The current Tegra chip they're likely to use? Well it's either the X1 which would be a Quad-Core ARM chip clocked at 1.9Ghz for the CPU. That's paired with a ~500GFLOP low power GPU. Or a successor which is an unknown. Is that what they'll use in the NX? Who knows. But if it's in the dev kits then don't go expecting the NX to be a 3TFLOP x86 based affair. If it's a Tegra x1 in the dev kits then whoever makes the thing there's only a limited range of specs it could end up with.
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@Octane I disagree, Nintendo doesn't need time to communicate their Next Big Thing, they need it to be self-explanatory. This is one of the biggest problem with Wii U. People, including developers, couldn't grasp what the game pad is for. If you have a new concept, you need a killer app for it otherwise it will disappear.
@Octane
At this rate, I think they should just wait until the next major game show (would that be the Tokyo Game Show?) We're already in mid August - just a couple weeks and we'll be into September. Unless they're planning some kind of huge Direct or Sony-style NYC reveal party, the smartest thing is to wait for a large gathering.
I say this because I think the optimal time would've been at E3, really. I think they missed the boat. Xbox and Playstation were both a bit shaky with their own rumors/messages of new systems coming out (the Scorpio isn't for everybody - great marketing lol), and Nintendo could've capitalized on that and been rock-solid like: EVERYONE will want our new system. It's for EVERYBODY, and here's what it can do, and here are some of the big-name games you'll see on it at launch. They could've shown the controller, if not the box, and still have plenty to reveal and keep people excited over the coming months (even something like that little NES system will hold attention in the meantime).
Instead, we're in this weird up-and-down phase where Nintendo is not in control of the message at all, and lots of people who are either "fringe" fans or only hear through word-of-mouth probably have some pretty negative opinions on what the NX is based entirely on rumor. Heck, some people in this forum seem miffed about the system, and we're the people who are generally most aware of the actual facts.
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