Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@UmniKnight It's often not, though. I'm not expecting The Witcher 3 on Switch. It's clear some games just aren't going to run well. What I don't like is the presumption that they won't have an audience on the Switch, or when developers ask people to port beg on Twitter. It's degrading. I get that it'll take time to repair burned bridges with third parties, but some of these companies aren't even acting with decency.

I noticed NL was trying to twist those stats into "Switch is more of a handheld" when... the numbers clearly say otherwise. As you said, the appeal of the Switch is the versatility: going from the HDTV to the tablet and back again.

I'm surprised to hear this reasoning from you, though, considering our past discussions on the handheld/home console thing. It seems like you've had a change of heart.

EA's enormous ego takes a real beating on Nintendo consoles. They're so used to being big and important on the other consoles but when they come over to Nintendo's house to play they don't get their own way. It angers them that the Nintendo crowd don't really want to play with them as much as their other friends do so they decide to show how big and important they are by not coming over to Nintendo's house anymore. "We didn't want to play with you anyway,we're cool and you're not so take that" and off they swagger for a few years.

@Ralizah Nah, I sometimes have streaks of annoyance. These usually pop-up when I read something about "Y developer doesn't care for Switch coz power" or "X game doesn't come to Switch coz Y reason". It just causes me to lose hope for a while. Just because I'm irritated, doesn't mean I'm irrational

As I've said, I recognize the power of it's portable aspect, it just doesn't do anything for me, so I'd rather have better running/looking games. And, I'll be frank, part of it stems from not feeling that the dock part is as important as the handheld part, because it quite frankly isn't. It's a small part of the draw, and for some it isn't a draw at all, and that might one day see the Switch transition to solely handheld, given that enough people think that way, and that scares me. As for the third-party part, the most egregious example for me, is Capcom, and their unwillingness to pour more support into the Switch, or at least explain why not.

Even if I'll be playing World on PC, I feel bad for the people that are missing out because of them.

@OorWullie
I wouldn't quite phrase it like that but ya, EA essentially doesn't want to tailor anything to a specific market. They have a program in place, and it works on other consoles. And they look at it like "either ya get with the program or get lost". These are the types of games we're gonna make, we're not doing anything else, notta, and if the games don't sell we have no interest in acknowledging that market whatsoever.

I can even understand maximizing ROI and that likely won't be done on Nintendo Switch, however, that's for internal resources. How hard would it be to outsource some ports of 7th gen games and make some easy money? There are practically limitless resources when it comes to outsourcing, so as long as they're making a profit it would be in their best interest to outsource as many ports as possible to this system even if they're only making a little bit of money off each one. Cause why not? It's no lost resources for them and it's all extra revenue...

Which comes full circle to the pride thing. They want their games topping charts. They don't care if they could make extra money outsourcing ports, cause it would tarnish their precious "super core AAA Everyone Wants Our Games" image.

Selling to potential markets always should be a priority. How do you think Nintendo stayed relevent all these years? How did Apple get to where it is? Selling you what you didn't even know you wanted and pushing for new markets.

Contrast with EA.

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@UmniKnight I've heard rumors MH5 is coming to the Switch. I know Capcom is dense, but are they dense enough to permaniently move the series away from their biggest market, the handhelds?

@JaxonH Yep fully agree with what you said. It's "Our way or the highway" with that mob. It honestly wouldn't surprise me now if they dropped that indie game Fe from coming to Switch.Surely not but yep no surprise if they do

I was just being silly with my comments as they really can come across as childish some times or at their worst, a bully even. The way they forced Sega to bow to their demands on cart prices for the Megadrive, their jealousy of Sega's in house sports games topping their own through the 90's which eventually led to their ultimatum and then decision not to support them on the Dreamcast, which in-turn played a small part in it's demise.Basically If you're not at the top then you better do things their way or they won't support you. The arrogance of them really is staggering some times but it's this behavior that's got them to where they are.

@Caldorosso-E Why do that when you have an increasingly huge guaranteed moneymaker on just a select few games with microtransactions and loot boxes?

What could the news be? A shock release today in the eShop update? An announcement of a physical version? A release date? Still mightily annoyed that it was scrapped for Wii U. They were kind of forced to. This is also the last game from Two Tribes before they disband. They're a very talented studio.

I still would've bought it on Wii U.

I realize I shouldn't doubt the decision to put games on Switch as a priority at this point, but the reason I cared about this game was exclusively because of the Wii U demo over 2 years ago. I don't feel like it had any real hype except for that.

People really shouldn't get butthurt about EA. It's a company. Its business.

It's a business but it's a business that operates in bad faith.

Not committing to Switch is - of course - a very risky move on their part. If Switch does continue to sell then it'll be a very big platform within a few years. Even if EA games wouldn't sell as well on Switch as they do on XBox One or PS4 a modest success on Switch could be the difference between selling 10 million copies and 12 or 13 million copies. That's something that would make the margins on a AAA game look much more favourable.

It also leaves a potentially huge market open for a mid-sized competitor to walk in and grow dramatically without competition. For instance Konami could release PES 2019 on Switch, completely clean up and put themselves in a stronger position to compete with EA when bidding for licensing rights next time around.

The other risk factor before EA is that a successful Switch will eventually impact Sony and Microsoft (and even Apple) in various ways. It might affect or delay Sony's plans for a PS5, it might dampen sales of XBox One X, it might attract time & money away from phones and tablets etc.

So there's a chance that Switch becomes such a lucrative prospect that EA ultimately ends up having to release games on Switch whether they like it or not. Of course when they do Nintendo then has every reason to push them to the back of the queue and offer them none of the behind the scenes benefits afforded to the partners who have supported the project from the beginning.

@gcunit a company and business that's ruined gaming and i wish everyone would speak with their wallet and not buy their poop.

@Inertiacreep The market has a funny way of deciding these things, and seemingly the market disagrees so far.

Nobody is forced to sell to EA.

Tallowmere (a pretty good diablo like 2d game, on steam) is heading to Nintendo Switch on November 9, 2017.

@Caldorosso-E I have honestly no idea. I was so wholly convinced that we'd all get an MH to play, and then it's "just" XX and just Japan that gets it. If you consider what Capcom is bringing out, and what they aren't, and how they were in talks with Nintendo way before, well, let's just say that I don't understand those guys anymore, and they've made a serious plunge on my personal list with all of this.

@Snaplocket Yeah, and the result is predictable turds filled to brim with loot boxes...

Compared to Konami, Capcom is doing fine. Konami has way bigger problems than releasing games: their image.

@Octane True, but the Capcom's support for the Switch is still.... I'd say fairly seriously lacking. I mean it's clear the things doing great, so why not capitalize?

@UmniKnight What else do you want to see from Capcom? Monster Hunter World started development when the Wii U was Nintendo's home console, so it makes sense that game was developed with the PS4 and Xbox One in mind. Ōkami is just cheap re-release for the sake of releasing something. I don't think they're doing anything besides that.

@Snaplocket I think Capcom just fell into the "power is everything" trap and when you fall into that trap it's very hard to escape. Over the past 5 or so years there has been so much focus on fully analyzing specs, games must be 1080p or higher resolution otherwise they're considered bad, etc. that Capcom probably caved in thinking the big money was following that mindset and so they focused on the powerful consoles.

Then we come to this year where the Switch is seeming to be a big success and stock issues being the number 1 cause for Nintendo not reaching their full sales potential making it clear that Capcom made a big mistake. This is where the Capcom excuses we've seen come in meanwhile some 3rd parties like Koei Tecmo and Bethesda strike those excuses down.

@Grumblevolcano "This is where the Capcom excuses we've seen come in meanwhile some 3rd parties like Koei Tecmo and Bethesda strike those excuses down." And may they be the better for it, (though I've heard that KT tends to skimp on development, cut corners so to speak, not something I'm a fan of)

@Octane Well, even if that Okami game for Switch would be nice, there's still Devil May Cry, arguably dead rising and, in my case, Sengoku Basara that would be a good fit for the Switch. Those along with MH, of course.

What I'd like to know, is when a port is poorly made (FE:W corner cutting, Fate/Extella locked to 720P) is that due to hardware limitations, or laziness on the third-party front? That's another scenario, that even if the Switch ends up getting full third-party support, they skimp on the development of games for the system.

@MegaTen But Bandai Namco are still doing well, aren't they? I've got 2 of their Switch games next to me over here