Ya, A few years ago I would've felt differently but going into 2018 I really feel like EA and Activision has nothing to offer I'm interested in. Maybe Crash, but that's a game I'd buy just because- I never bothered to play it more than 20 minutes on PS4. Doubt it would be any different on Switch. We already got FIFA, and since I'm not really into the sport I don't care about getting the new release each year. The one we got is good enough to last me all generation. I wouldn't be opposed to a Madden but... let's just say it's sad when their sports games are the ones I would like to see most.
@JaxonH Fe looks interesting, and that still appears to be coming.
Otherwise, I've never cared about almost anything in the way of Western AAA third party support. I don't play those kinds of games on my PS4, and that's not going to change here. I want them to succeed on the platform so that it can be more successful in Western territories, though.
I want Japanese games on my Switch. Gal Gun. Senran Kagura. Final Fantasy. Dragon Quest. Danganronpa. Shin Megami Tensei. Resident Evil. Okami. Monster Hunter. Ace Attorney. etc. etc. etc. Those are the sort of games I care about. Too bad Capcom seems to have so little interest in the platform.
I'm still eager to try out DOOM, though. It's a fun game that is profoundly old-school in terms of the way it plays.
@Ralizah I heard that Fe is a situation of the developer themselves pushing to have it on the Switch. Without that, I don't think EA would've bothered.
@UmniKnight Interesting. Makes me hope even more than it turns out to be decent and sells well on the Switch. And, honestly, unlike most of EA's franchises, it seems like it'd do well on a Nintendo platform.
@Ralizah I share your sentiment. If anything, I believe the audience to pick up and love that game will be there for the Switch.
Speaking of audience, I don't think the Switch's current and future audience is in anyway comparable with what has been on Nintendo's other machines, which is a good thing, as it can only help the third-party situation. That said, with Nintendo's history with them and current weaker hardware, it will take time and convincing to get them wholly on-board, not skimp on games and really give their all.
@UmniKnight There seems to be a legitimate hunger for non-Nintendo experiences on the Switch, whereas that never really seemed to be the case with a lot of their other recent consoles. I wonder why?
@Ralizah Hmm... I don't like saying this, as I'm very pro home-console, but it's probably to do with it's hybrid nature. The convenience and versatility that it offers, are unlike anything that has come before it.
Now I don't have use for portability at all myself, but it's crystal clear that this has people's hearts and minds captured, especially when they can still link it up to a big screen, and get an even better experience than when playing in handheld mode.
@UmniKnight Makes sense, actually. I'm considering paying $60 for a technically inferior version of DOOM because I'll be able to play it on the tablet. And I own both a PS4 and a pretty decent PC. I guess it's not JUST the portability, but the fact that it's the only way to easily play console quality games on the go. Also, as you said, the fact that you can switch between TV and portable play so seamlessly. It's one reason I get so annoyed when a publisher snubs the Switch, as it seems like they're trying to stick me with a less convenient version of a game I might otherwise enjoy.
So, if the Switch audience is normal Nintendo people + non-traditional Nintendo audience that's deeply interested in the versatility of the system, that could help explain the increased interest in third party stuff.
I think it's probably fair to say that this wouldn't be as successful if it was only a handheld. The full commitment to the hybrid concept really resonates with people. Which is backed up by those recent Ninty stats showing that most people play in both modes.
@Ralizah there has always been that hunger ever since the gimped hardware GameCube when people started straying from Nintendo and Nintendo started becoming too family orientated.. nobody wanted to stop liking Nintendo, but they just quit offering what gamers wanted..
Now all these people coming back to Nintendo and Nintendo encouraging M rated games, everybody just wants every kind of game and to experience everything the switch can offer because it's awesome.
@Ralizah Well, it may be in part because they do not wish to compromise on their vision, or if a game is just that demanding. I can see that argument. THQ Nordic also spoke of how they would've liked the system to be at least a bit stronger, if anything.
As the polls have proven (and all the sites around the internet love to twist in "more handheld" or "less TV mode") most people stick with both modes, and I've said otherwise, I will freely admit it, but the Switch needs both modes to retain strength of brand and name. After all, without a dock, what would you "Switch" to?
Yeah, the third-party situation is improving, but it's still a long ways off. Bethesda's actions are admirable and I duly hope it pays off for them. If I wasn't such an ingrained PC shooter, I'd buy DOOM and Wolfenstein, but I can't enjoy shooters without a mouse. It's just mind-numbing and anger-inducing to consider that Nintendo gets this scrutiny as per standard now, when Sony/Microsoft get the games, no questions asked, here ya go.
@Inertiacreep I'm really happy Nintendo doesn't seem to be discouraging more adult-oriented games now. The Wii U era got infuriating with the constant censorship and marketing to children. While I'd prefer Nintendo keep their franchises family-friendly, it's nice to see more diversity in the library. This new attitude is the reason I'll be able to play a hybrid version of Gal Gun 2, which is one of the titles I really hopes would make the jump to this new system.
GameCube wasn't gimped, though. It was the second most powerful system that gen. Just had those weird little miniature discs instead of normal CDs.
@Ralizah@Inertiacreep Nothing wrong with having games for everyone, that's what Nintendo excels at delivering if you ask me. Mario and Bayonetta have been on the same console before, so nothing wrong with including everything else in-between, it can only lead to better things for all involved.
@UmniKnight It's often not, though. I'm not expecting The Witcher 3 on Switch. It's clear some games just aren't going to run well. What I don't like is the presumption that they won't have an audience on the Switch, or when developers ask people to port beg on Twitter. It's degrading. I get that it'll take time to repair burned bridges with third parties, but some of these companies aren't even acting with decency.
I noticed NL was trying to twist those stats into "Switch is more of a handheld" when... the numbers clearly say otherwise. As you said, the appeal of the Switch is the versatility: going from the HDTV to the tablet and back again.
I'm surprised to hear this reasoning from you, though, considering our past discussions on the handheld/home console thing. It seems like you've had a change of heart.
EA's enormous ego takes a real beating on Nintendo consoles. They're so used to being big and important on the other consoles but when they come over to Nintendo's house to play they don't get their own way. It angers them that the Nintendo crowd don't really want to play with them as much as their other friends do so they decide to show how big and important they are by not coming over to Nintendo's house anymore. "We didn't want to play with you anyway,we're cool and you're not so take that" and off they swagger for a few years.
@Ralizah Nah, I sometimes have streaks of annoyance. These usually pop-up when I read something about "Y developer doesn't care for Switch coz power" or "X game doesn't come to Switch coz Y reason". It just causes me to lose hope for a while. Just because I'm irritated, doesn't mean I'm irrational
As I've said, I recognize the power of it's portable aspect, it just doesn't do anything for me, so I'd rather have better running/looking games. And, I'll be frank, part of it stems from not feeling that the dock part is as important as the handheld part, because it quite frankly isn't. It's a small part of the draw, and for some it isn't a draw at all, and that might one day see the Switch transition to solely handheld, given that enough people think that way, and that scares me. As for the third-party part, the most egregious example for me, is Capcom, and their unwillingness to pour more support into the Switch, or at least explain why not.
Even if I'll be playing World on PC, I feel bad for the people that are missing out because of them.
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I wouldn't quite phrase it like that but ya, EA essentially doesn't want to tailor anything to a specific market. They have a program in place, and it works on other consoles. And they look at it like "either ya get with the program or get lost". These are the types of games we're gonna make, we're not doing anything else, notta, and if the games don't sell we have no interest in acknowledging that market whatsoever.
I can even understand maximizing ROI and that likely won't be done on Nintendo Switch, however, that's for internal resources. How hard would it be to outsource some ports of 7th gen games and make some easy money? There are practically limitless resources when it comes to outsourcing, so as long as they're making a profit it would be in their best interest to outsource as many ports as possible to this system even if they're only making a little bit of money off each one. Cause why not? It's no lost resources for them and it's all extra revenue...
Which comes full circle to the pride thing. They want their games topping charts. They don't care if they could make extra money outsourcing ports, cause it would tarnish their precious "super core AAA Everyone Wants Our Games" image.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Selling to potential markets always should be a priority. How do you think Nintendo stayed relevent all these years? How did Apple get to where it is? Selling you what you didn't even know you wanted and pushing for new markets.
Contrast with EA.
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@UmniKnight I've heard rumors MH5 is coming to the Switch. I know Capcom is dense, but are they dense enough to permaniently move the series away from their biggest market, the handhelds?
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@JaxonH Yep fully agree with what you said. It's "Our way or the highway" with that mob. It honestly wouldn't surprise me now if they dropped that indie game Fe from coming to Switch.Surely not but yep no surprise if they do
I was just being silly with my comments as they really can come across as childish some times or at their worst, a bully even. The way they forced Sega to bow to their demands on cart prices for the Megadrive, their jealousy of Sega's in house sports games topping their own through the 90's which eventually led to their ultimatum and then decision not to support them on the Dreamcast, which in-turn played a small part in it's demise.Basically If you're not at the top then you better do things their way or they won't support you. The arrogance of them really is staggering some times but it's this behavior that's got them to where they are.
What could the news be? A shock release today in the eShop update? An announcement of a physical version? A release date? Still mightily annoyed that it was scrapped for Wii U. They were kind of forced to. This is also the last game from Two Tribes before they disband. They're a very talented studio.
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