Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@MarcelRguez
It's meaningful to me and everyone else having the discussion.

Your accusation of me "spreading BS detrimental to the medium" would be laughable if it wasn't for your constant combative hostility and assertion any opinion other than your own is not only wrong, but now somehow "harming the industry".

Nobody's "spreading" anything. We're having a discussion. Kindly butt out if you don't have anything constructive to add

@MarcelRguez

Your attempt to suddenly convince me and those reading that you're intelligent now doesn't surprise me at all. I see right through you. You're convincing no one. Know that

You've instigated enough arguments and made enough baseless accusations and insults and for my liking. I never use the ignore feature, but I see a consistent lack of value in everything you say. To the point civil discussion is a lost cause. So I'm going to use it now. Goodbye.

@JaxonH "quadratics" @MarcelRguez "Zimmerman or Bogost"

You guys play Splatoon 1? #TeamScience vs. #TeamArt battle right here.

@Qwertyninty How many years have there been "leaked E3 documents"? How many years have those documents been right when it comes to Nintendo? Those guys know how to run a tight ship (when their hardware partners aren't betraying them by leaking things )

@MarcelRguez I can't think of one particularly for niche franchises, but Miyamoto still treats Pikmin as a major franchise even if sales don't reflect that. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, have several handheld/console tie-ins since the GB days, along with some third party examples (Castlevania comes to mind.) There's also softer/subtler situations like the Yoshi's Cookie puzzle game to give Yoshi a tie in on the NES when he made his SMW debut on SNES. "Small" games on a handheld of an IP getting a bigger game on the home console (even if it's a home console you can take with you on the go) is a Nintendo classic move. (I still don't think we're getting Pikmin 4 next week, but that's just more a hunch than anything to do with the Hey! Pikmin game.

@BLP_Software Melee has a point. This thread started as an NX rumor thread. Now that we've had our switches for a quarter of the year (wow time flies!) there's not much to talk about hardware-wise other than accessories, problems, and stock. Everything else crosses from the E3 thread, game threads, and other random topics. This started from the ARMS reviews

@Ralizah Just when that image was finally burned out of my mind you had to bring it back. You are a horrible, horrible person.

The real irony here is that by ''discussing fun'', we end up causing misery. No wonder children are much better at having it.

It's simultaneously amusing and a bit alarming how earnestly upset people got when they learned the Nintendo spotlight would only be 30 minutes. Like, isn't there some value in the console as it currently stands even if Nintendo doesn't announce every big upcoming project coming over the next five or so years?

@meleebrawler Hey, at least it didn't end up like that "20 year old dudes are the one's buying the Switch" thread... or the comment section for the article on JonTron's voice being censored from Yooka Laylee.

@NEStalgia
"Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it." - Ralizah, 2017

@Ralizah The funny thing is that I don't think the Switch is doomed if E3 doesn't really have any major surprises despite the meltdowns on here, Gaf, and reddit. There's still quite a few great games coming up anyways and Super Mario Odyssey will dominate conversations around E3 like Zelda did last year.

@NEStalgia

I don't know if you remember the leaked game list from before the big switch reveal I believe in January. People saw a game called arms about fighter with long stretchy arms and had a good laugh at that fake... well it turned out to be real. So more than likely it's fake but there could be a game or two on there that is a real title. We will see. All I am saying it they need a list of games like that to really hit home how serious they are about making the switch "the" console to own.

@IceClimbers
Post-Iwata-era Directs seem to be straight and to the point. I imagine they'll fit quite a bit in that 30 minutes. Rapid fire style (only without previews for what's next).

Think a lot of their e3 Directs were only 30-40 minutes in the past anyways. It's not a lot of time, but if it's quick and snappy trailers and on to the next, there'll be plenty to show. Besides, Arms won't be showcased long since its releasing that Friday. So really, that leaves Xenoblade 2, FE Warriors, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey, a pack of 3DS games and whatever new games they announce. Skyrim, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter... all that could likely be shown by the respective 3rd parties.

Say 12 min for known Switch games, and 8 min for known 3DS games, with 10 min for new announcements.

The details will come after from Treehouse.

@JaxonH Apparently they're keeping 3DS games out of the Spotlight presentation. Or at least going by their wording.

@IceClimbers
Oh really? Well there ya go. With only 4 known Switch games to show that have been announced for this year, plus Fire Emblem and Mario Kingdom Battle, that's still only 6 games for half an hour. Plenty of time then...

That thread... I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry.

As for E3, the more Xenoblade 2, the better, IMO. Mario Odyssey and Splatoon 2 will presumably take most of the Switch limelight, though.

@MarcelRguez @IceClimbers @JaxonH Oh yeah. Lots of threads across multiple different gaming forums on the internet are whining about how horrible and disappointing Nintendo's E3 is going to be thanks to how short it is. You know, because if it isn't some hour long spectacle filled with orchestras and pointless bombast, it's worthless.

Of course, there are a couple of interesting dynamics at play that are usually ignored in such... erm... "discussions"

• E3 is more important to Sony than it is to Nintendo
  That's not to say that E3 ISN'T important to Nintendo, if only on a pure PR level, but they have done a fantastic job of decentralizing their methods of information dispersal. Sony has trade shows and Playstation Blog, whereas Nintendo has their E3 presentation, their Nintendo Treehouse broadcasts, which go into way more detail on upcoming games, other trade shows and, of course, Nintendo Directs. As a result, Nintendo is regularly informing its base en masse of upcoming games, hardware, projects, etc. in a way that Sony simply isn't able to replicate.
• If you take out the filler, the meat of a Nintendo E3 presentation probably doesn't take up much more than thirty minutes anyway
  Of course, I might start to worry a bit if we see muppets or people standing around yarn shops or aquariums, but assuming they follow the snappy format seen in the last big direct, they should have plenty of time for new trailers, reveals, etc.

It could still manage to be terrible (this is Nintendo, after all), but, even if it is, in some freak worst case scenario... it won't change the company's present successes, or the fact that loads of fun, ambitious projects are currently slated to arrive on the Switch in the near future.

You would think people haven't seen a Nintendo direct before and noticed how much info they pack into those things...plus it has two days of treehouse which will likely also have a minor game reveal or two if history rings true.

...I'll take minor responsibility for that thread as I made a comment (and then after defending myself) that likely started the dumpster fire, but I never intended for it to just spiral into madness (although I'm not surprised really); did let me load up the ignore feature for a few of the crazies though (And honestly I hope they put me on their list too). Some of the responses were so asinine that I just had to walk away.

Seriously though...E3 is just a giant press conference with free swag and booths for the press to meander through what the heck are people expecting? Why do you need an hour to hit the highlights? cough microsoft cough

@MarcelRguez
Eh, you're a joke, in my opinion. You're a typical internet poster with nothing new to say and the same "I've got Master's degrees in everything" superiority complex that can clear out a room of people quicker than microwaving yesterday's trout.

You told me my opinion was wrong and insinuated that, if I were smart, I wouldn't have that opinion in the first place. So, you asked for how you insulted me, and there you have it. Needless to say, I think you are the idiot in this little back-and-forth, but whatever. Being the typical internet poster that you are, I can only assume you'll have a million-and-one "witty" comebacks at me in your next post. Have a ball, man. I'm not gonna read it. Maybe you'll impress somebody else, who knows?

Back to what matters: Bubsy. And will it come to the Switch?

Has anyone seen the new Wayforward game? Licensed game for the new Mummy movie it looks like... could be fun...the Mummy looks like a good source of 90s style game fodder. And it is WayForward so even though I know I won't see the movie I'm curious. I'll have to hunt for the link again...Nintendo Everything is doing that thing again where it won't go past the first page for me.

Bubsy was a part of the sea of mascots that hit the 90s and while some were fun I don't remember Bubsy fondly. However I'm beyond sick of the the current trend of "bland mcblandguy on a rage kick" so I may give it a go if it reviews at a 7 or so. But hey better than Cool Spot right?

@MarcelRguez Thanks, I won't apologize for what I said (I do apologize for the typos though as always) but I hate it when threads just descend into shouting matches and I feel I unintentionally contributed to that. I try to keep things chill and somewhat neutral (I talk a lot but I keep my opinions general mostly) since first and foremost this is a Nintendo fan site and I show up here to talk about Nintendo. Besides Positive Ki and all that.

Edit: Just realized I'm still playing Zelda and Mario comes out this holiday. I'm never going to shrink my back log.

I'm getting that splatoon 2 headset even if I don't use voice chat. It looks too cool.

AH HA Link for WayForward game: http://nintendoeverything.com/wayforward-working-on-the-mummy...

Could be fun...Although this sorta makes me want Mighty Switch Force 1 and 2 given the hd treatment (2 was just a straight port) and tossed on the switch.

edit: off topic in spoilers.

@Ryu_Niiyama That's big of you, but, eh, it takes two to tango. You certainly can't take credit for the pages of madness that followed.

The laissez-faire approach to moderation here will occasionally lead to stuff like that happening, but it's certainly not unmitigated chaos like GameFAQs, and I appreciate that people can take a stand on things they feel are important and talk to others frankly without banhammer-heavy mods stepping in the moment things go south.

And yeah, that mummy game looks nice. WayForward is really good at developing high-quality games based on licensed properties, so it could very well turn out well. The screenshot that was posted actually reminds me of Alien: Infestation, which, despite being too short, was a proper good time.

Too bad the movie doesn't look nearly so appealing...

@MarcelRguez Given Nintendo's strategy of strategic game releases, I don't think they'll have much of an issue in 2018. Clearly the top brass is interested in maintaining momentum, which means big-ish releases every couple of months. Even if some of those "big-ish releases" are more Wii U remasters.

More than anything, BotW, ARMS, Splatoon, and Mario Odyssey have reassured me that Nintendo is really coming back into its own. We're seeing an uncharacteristic number of ambitious, weird, and experimental releases lately, which is a massive improvement from the safe, conservative Nintendo we've been stuck with since the Wii hit it big.

I agree nothing will ever top 64 or Ocarina of Time, if only because those games occupied a certain crucial role when the medium was just beginning to transition into 3D. I'm not a fan of those games (especially 64, which I've always found to be kind of miserable to play), but their importance in the industry can't be overstated.

Oh, I can't wait for Tuesday. I feel that they're going to announce so many exciting things for Switch at E3.

When I say 'conservative,' I mean safe, unambitious games like Super Mario 3D World, New Super Mario Bros., and any number of forgettable experiences they released on the Wii U. It seems like they're taking chances. BotW throws almost every Zelda convention out of the window. Mario Odyssey has a scope to it that we've not seen at least since Sunshine, and has a lot of fun, weird ideas in it (Mario in the real world? Using the hat as a platforming tool? Not to mention all the other off-the-wall epic stuff we saw in that initial trailer). Splatoon and ARMS represent Nintendo taking steps with new IPs into genres they have almost no experience in. There's also the epic Xenoblade Chronicles 2 to contend with.

Simply put, they're Making Nintendo Great Again.

"without falling into throwback territory" does almost automatically make it the most innovative Mario platformer in ages so...

I mean, I doubt any of their larger titles will like...be some crazy, experimental, multi-genre, philosophy game or whatever, but for a large gaming company, it's games have been and look to continue to be trying to be inventive and original when most large gaming companies simply aren't by comparison. That's starting to change a bit but on average, Nintendo is (like they frequently do) making games that AAA companies tend to avoid. Even ignoring any more original ideas for Arms, when's the last time a new fighting game IP has gotten real hype like this? How many kid-friendly online shooters like Splatoon can you name?