Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

Thanks, man. But I'll stick with my opinion. It's interesting to talk about. Also, please keep your veiled insults due to personal insecurities to yourself.

So how about that Nintendo Switch?

@Ralizah
Perhaps, but I think once you start quantifying a game's value solely on the sum of its components, you lose even more.

@NEStalgia
Keep in mind, I'm speaking of a hypothetical, non biased score. Now, that may not be achievable, but the concept proves out in theory.

If you start with the observation that you will never enjoy 2 games equally the same (No matter how small the differences, the exact level of enjoyment will never repeat), then you must conclude no two experiences will ever be enjoyed the same by anyone. And once you've reached that conclusion, it's only natural to deduce that no two games can be equally fun. And once you've deduced that, well... that means there's a quantifiable difference between games. Perhaps we'll never be able to accurately measure it, but it's there.

@MarcelRguez
We're not talking calculus here. This is 3rd grade illustrations to help clearly illustrate what words struggle to convey.

Your immature insults are not appreciated.

YES!

@FGPackers Unfortunately, the Switch version is going to be $10 more than the other versions.

@JaxonH I think, rather than trying to quantify something unquantifiable like "fun factor," you should focus on the things that lead to a game resonating with people: quality of the writing, game design, art design, music, controls, etc. I'm not saying these individual components lead to a "fun" game, but that "fun" games emerge when superior components are properly integrated. A fun game is sort of like a cake: its tastiness isn't the result of any one ingredient, but is an emergent property of how well all those ingredients are mixed together and cooked. A whole that is far more than the sum of its parts.

@Octane I'll try to take it either way. Content for the physical version is quite good. I'm interested in the soundtrack CD most of all (i love when someone put it in a limited/physical edition). If i can't manage to find it (or have money at release to take it, and this has better chances to happen lol) i'll just go digital, that should be half price based on Wii U one. Either way i'll be more than fine!

@JaxonH Hypothetical maybe, but it's still biased by who's in the sample group. That would be an interesting Metacritic competitor idea, to use ONLY player ratings, basically. But it certainly doesn't work with actual author-based reviews if it's more of a statistical overview. And of course getting a quality sample set on the internet would be a very unfun task. Heck, I'd take your system over Metacritic any day. It would be an improvement. But I'm not sure it would be a tremendous improvement. "Fun factor" would come down to "ask users to rate this game between 0-100" which even Metacritic effectively already has with the customer reviews.

But I'm still not sure that result should be used as a plot of all games in linear order of goodness. Plenty of games can have the exact same fun factor for a given person. I can think of dozens that are all equally a 9/10 in my mind. But it depends on the day. That's where I think statistics, be it your system, or Metacritic's review aggregates just don't work. Getting a score of what a bunch of other people thought of a game isn't too helpful. The point of a review should be to really tell you what you're going to experience in a game and, hopefully, convey it to you in a way that tells you if it's something that's going to personally appeal to your taste or now. One would expect people are reading reviews to determine "does this sound like a game I want to play? Are the things I'm unsure of going to frustrate me? What things might be annoying that I didn't know about?" Sadly most in the post Metacritic world go to reviews to see "I will form my opinion of this game based on what a bunch of other people's opinions are without even reading why they have the opinion they do....just give me a number!"

@Ralizah With the Naughty Dog examples, I think that's a good example to use for what I'm saying. They ARE more or less interactive movies more than they are games. And there's nothing wrong with that. The "fun factor" is entirely depending on who you are, what mood you're in, and what you expect from the game. For some people 300 hours of Disgaea 5 might be a lot more perfect a game and much more fun. Other people might glaze over at the first explanation of Mon-Toss and really just want to settle in with a nice fun story and entertaining dialogue and that's a fun evening. Both can be a 9 to different people.

Definitely 30 minutes as no room for extra time due to Treehouse.

Interesting. That last big Direct was 30 too so...

And good to see Axiom. Sucks about price but its got goodies so...

The Mummy Demastered is coming to Switch from WayForward.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE It's sad how much better than the actual movie that looks.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Yep, the official press release states the game is coming to all three consoles (PS4, Xbox One and Nintendo Switch) and is due for release in late August 2017.

@Grumblevolcano They can run overtime slightly. It explicitly says Treehouse is "AROUND" 9:30, while Spotlight is a hard 9:00.

@MarcelRguez having a a game tie-in between two consoles wouldn't be strange, they used to do that sort of thing a lot back in the day, with Game Boy tie-in titles and such. Or lesser NES versions of a 3rd party game that weren't even the same game as the SNES one, etc. I could see the potential for Pikmin 4 + Hey Pikmin being tied together (get the Hey Pikmin fans on 3DS to want a Switch, etc.) I don't think it WILL have Pikmin 4 this year, but I don't think it would be prevented by Hey Pikmin.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE That's awesome it reminds me of SNES era movie tie ins that were only vaguely related to the movie at all, and ended up far more memorable than they films they represented

@MarcelRguez
It sounds more complex than it is.

They understand what I'm talking about, even if you dont. Any Joe Blow who's made it through high school knows how exponential functions work and what a quadratic is. And even if a person doesn't, the graph makes it pretty clear exactly what I'm conveying.

We're having a meaningful conversation here. So please.

@Ralizah
I agree, and as I said earlier those things do correlate with fun. They're important indicators. All I'm saying is they're not everything. Ultimately, that fun factor is still at play, and even if it can't accurately be quantified, it can be proportionately compared with that of other games. It shouldn't be outright ignored, is what I'm saying

Idk, maybe 2-3 points out of the 10 should be tied to a "fun factor" consideration. Just an idea.

@JaxonH So how about that Nintendo Switch? You know, the thing this thread is about?

The only way to keep talking about Switch related things on this thread would be to delete all the other Switch game threads. Because talking about just the system itself is boring, especially now that all of it's specs are no longer secret.

@meleebrawler
Pretty much. Topics generally centers around Switch in this thread, in fact they almost exclusively do... but sometimes dynamic discussions emerge. It happens.

Nothing worth having a meltdown over..

I will say this that supposed leaked E3 document is what I would be expecting from Nintendo. They need something along those line to really show people they are serious with switch. I mean they need more games and diverse game. I'm loving what I am hearing so far though.

@BLP_Software

Those joycons are sure something, huh?

Boy howdy!