Topic: The lastest Ori is bad.

Hi,

Gotta get something of my chest.

As I am getting older, and having less free minutes in a day (work, first child, etc), I was so happy to find this little gem: Ori and the Blind Forest. There was this immediate click between me and the game as I also experienced as a child with OoT. The surroundings were gorgeous and together with the music caused a great atmosphere. But most importantly the gameplay was top notch. Moving the character was so fluid. You had this laser shooting Navi Sein like unit floating around you. Pwew, pwew, pwew, dodge, pwew, pwew: and enemy was dead. In general, it was more about exploration than combat. The upgrade tree was fun as well, as I could decide what I wanted to upgrade whenever I had enough 'materials'.
The spikes in difficulty were a bit frustrating at first, but when I finished the game I quickly played it again and again to each time 100% it. Loved it.

Now Ori and the Will of the Whisps. I have to be honest: my thread title is a bit of a clickbait title. But whilst playing this game, it just did not click at all as it did for the first game. This game is way more combat heavy! I don't want a 2d area where I will have to use a sword rather than a laser Navi. If I want a combat heavy 2d game, Imma play Tekken. I want exploration... Its the exact reason I don't want to play Hollow Knight! Way too combat heavy! Also, HK appears to have an enormous humongous map which also frightens me as I my free time is limited.
Finally, and I cannot weaken my stance on this: the upgrading system of Ori and WotW just sucks. Blergh.
Look at some of the 'improvements':
-You cannot upgrade 'on the go'. You have to find this NPC to do it.
-The number of skills to be used a certain time is limited.
-Sometimes, mid battle, you need to reassign skills which will need you to pause the game.
Quite sure there is more, but I have made my point. And my feeling is that the makers have done just to make this series as the also popular Hollow Knight. , if I wanted Hollow Knight, I would have played Hollow Knight.

And these idiots call it 'better than the original in almost every way' than its predecessor:

@Eel I just want you to check this out.

I never played any of the games but from the sound of it you just don't like games with any combat (Or to heavy on it) didn't you look a a review are at least some gamplay before you got it not to be rude?

@Limmepie
Theoretically I agree with almost all your points. I also liked the first Ori better than the second one. But the second one is still fantastic and it might be that my nostalgia for the first game blinds me in this regard. On a cognitive level I can totally appreciate that the devs didn't want to make the exact game over again and instead tried to change things up and "improve" stuff that people complained about.

And I really love Hollow Knight (maybe even more than Blind Forest), but I'm also not sure if the elements they incorporated from Hollow Knight really fit the Ori style, like the combat, the charm system, and having a map selling character.

But like I said, I still enjoyed Will of the Wisps. I just liked Blind Forest better.

@dionysos283 I really got to play theme just never got to it, I said I was going to get in case from but now I'm just wanting to play this game, probably going to get it on sale, also I did play hallow knight never beaten it but played it and Love it its a amazing game, I'm planning to buy it on switch and finish it on there.

Lol i literally just bought the game then logged on here to see this. I like Hollow Knight and I love Blind Forest so I'm pretty sure I'll like this game too.

@Dogorilla Bro don't let it get to you But this is what you saw after you bought it LOL it happens to me all the time.

Apparently, it doesn't run as well on the Switch as the first game either. I gave up on Ori, I wanted the physical with the interior artwork but you had to buy the exclusive CE to get it and they sold out and the scalpers are asking double so I give up.. So many metroidvania games I haven't finished already in my collection so I won't lose any sleep..

@Limmepie
Yea, definitely don't play Hollow Knight. From everything you're saying, you'd hate it: HUGE map, way more combat (and the combat is definitely more "skilled," I would say), and I would say HK took me triple the time to complete as the Ori games.

Anyway, I'm in the same boat as you in terms of life. I'm getting older, I have a 2-year-old daughter, and I just don't have the time to game like I used to. Some people can sit down and beat a game like Wisps in a weekend. It took me well over a month lol I get to sneak in half an hour of gaming after my daughter goes to bed most nights, and that's usually it. I've been playing Age of Calamity for weeks now lol

I think I do like the original more, but not by much. I actually prefer the combat in Wisps. The sword feels way more tactile than the nebulous zappy thing in the first game. Some of the mobility is really cool in this one, too, like the digging through sand and shooting out into the air. I did like the story, too; I'm generally not a story nut for platformers, but this one was touching. And I also think the environments are more diverse in the second one... but the first just has some novelty to it, I guess.

@Solomon18 Having literally just finished the game, don't let people telling you it doesn't run as well as the first let you think it runs poorly. The only issues I ran into were:

1. After Fast Travel, if I moved through the world at top speed I'd occasionally make it to a part where it was still loading in. Load time was typically under a second in those situations.
2. Certain cutscenes had frame drops.
3. I had one random crash (...which come to think of it, is two less than the first Ori despite the second game being much longer)

That said? The game blows the first one out of the water visually, so it's not surprising it doesn't run quite as cleanly. Definitely not anything to keep you from playing if that's your big worry.

@link3710 Man this game sounds good, do I need to play the first to injoy the 2nd.

@Snatcher I'd recommend playing the first first, since there is a story that spans both games. But the second game is completely playable in its own right.

@Snatcher
The patch has remedied most of the technical issues, at least for me. I bought it as soon as it came out, and I ran into a few lock ups and glitches. But after the patch, it was fine like cherry wine.

And like @link3710 said, it'll definitely be more "rewarding" if you've played the first game, but if you're really just into it for the gameplay and platforming it doesn't really matter.

Let's use the main Ori thread to talk about that, and let's find better ways to describe it.