People are judging the cost of the accessories based on what they think they'll need. I don't think they're really considering what they actually need. Or just in general some of the built in advantages of the Switch that will save them elsewhere. Just listing some stuff out....
Storage:
People are judging the storage based on the PS4/XBOne experience. They forget that those systems put a lot of data on the HDD purely because of the slow speed of optical media. As games have got bigger the disk drive has become a performance bottleneck. This is also an issue with some of the more ambitious Wii U games. The Switch uses cartridges which are closer to the performance of a HDD than an ODD so that's not an issue. There's actually reason to believe that games on a lot of SD cards will be if anything slower than they are on cartridges.
It's also worth remembering that the Switch isn't as capable as those other two machines. Which people are going to complain about. But at the same time its lack of RAM compared to other two will mean lower resolution textures. Again, much complaining. But lower texture resolution also means smaller games and a lower demand on the performance of the faster media. Basically you don't need as much space and games will load quicker. Therefore even less need to worry about storage and less need to store games on faster media. In any case, SD cards are readily available and aren't that expensive.
Controllers:
People are making a big deal about the cost of the Joycon pairs. I've seen some people say that they will need to buy four pairs even. But why? The way I see it the console comes with the option for two players out of the box. Ideal controllers? Maybe not. But the option is there out of the box and it usually isn't. Also this console is not entirely a home console. It's a portable device so some households are going to have more than one. If your sibling/friend/partner/kid also gets one? You have options for four players already. I know of a few people who want to get one already. If they bring their Switch over on games nights? I can't see myself buying more Joycons.... except for wear and the inevitable colour/design variations
Dock:
You don't need the dock for charging for a start. You can buy a USB Type C cable for $10 pretty easily even with Australian money. Extra docks are only necessary if you want to be able to move between TVs. That's litterally the only reason you should get a second one. Even ignoring the possibly cheaper alternatives to the official one you again need to remember how crazy it is that this is even an option. But again, multiple TVs? Multiple people in the house. Greater potential that someone else will also have a Switch and dock.
Even so, having the option to move between screens? With the main two points (main TV and portable) covered out of the box? That's far more than any other platform out of the box. Hell, it's more flexibility than I have for games on Steam with my PC, Steam Link and seriously outdated Laptop. The dock should be 30% cheaper but I find it hard to complain when the main points of flexibility I really want are covered by default.
@skywake
The whole accesories topic is being overblown in my opinion. Everyone is acting like Joy Cons are unplayable and buying the pro controller is a must on day one - while most of the first impressions I've seen actually emphasize how confortable the Joy Cons are both on using the grip and as standalone units.
I won't deny accesories may be tipping to the expensive part - but not that much expensive than other consoles when they just released, for example. And about storage, its confirmed the dock supports External HDD but it won't be available at launch to not distort the message of portability, so adding that to your point, there shouldn't be a problem even for digital players.
@Luna_110
I think its fair to say that unless you want to get everything digitally and have every game available all the time? Storage isn't going to be an issue. And I think most people are going to get a fair chunk of their games as physical copies.
Personally I tend to get digital copies of games that are either better value digitally or games I'm going to be playing for a while. Also obviously games that I can't get physical copies of for one reason or another. It doesn't end up being a large part of my collection. It also tends to be mostly games that I'm going to want to take with me everywhere anyways. So I don't see HDD expansion being of much value to me. But I also don't see SD Cards being a limit
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This topic is getting a bit annoying to me. It makes zero sense to compare the price of the Switch, a system launching in the next couple of months, to the price of PS4 and Xbone. If anything, it makes more sense to compare it to the still fairly new PS4 Pro, which is still hovering around $400.
It also makes zero sense to complain about accessories, as if you're obligated to buy them. Everything you need to enjoy the Switch is included in the box. If you choose to purchase accessories to complement your initial purchase? Fine. But you're no more required to buy a Pro controller or an extra set of joycons than you are to purchase an extra DS4 with a PS4/Pro. Where are all the silly threads complaining about the cost of a PS4 Pro because they feel compelled to purchase an extra DS4 and PSVR with it?
The reception Nintendo Switch has been getting online is internet groupthink at its worst.
If a person concludes, for whatever reason, that NS is too expensive for them, or that it doesn't have enough games for them, or that the full portability isn't worth the sacrifice in raw power, then that's perfectly fine, but some of the moronic logic that's been floating around the internet really needs to be addressed.
This topic is getting a bit annoying to me. It makes zero sense to compare the price of the Switch, a system launching in the next couple of months, to the price of PS4 and Xbone. If anything, it makes more sense to compare it to the still fairly new PS4 Pro, which is still hovering around $400.
It also makes zero sense to complain about accessories, as if you're obligated to buy them. Everything you need to enjoy the Switch is included in the box. If you choose to purchase accessories to complement your initial purchase? Fine. But you're no more required to buy a Pro controller or an extra set of joycons than you are to purchase an extra DS4 with a PS4/Pro. Where are all the silly threads complaining about the cost of a PS4 Pro because they feel compelled to purchase an extra DS4 and PSVR with it?
The reception Nintendo Switch has been getting online is internet groupthink at its worst.
If a person concludes, for whatever reason, that NS is too expensive for them, or that it doesn't have enough games for them, or that the full portability isn't worth the sacrifice in raw power, then that's perfectly fine, but some of the moronic logic that's been floating around the internet really needs to be addressed.
No, please. I have a 1TB PS4, and it's far from being filled, and I probably don't ever need to upgrade my HDD. It's definitely not mandatory. Also, £40 on Amazon gets me a 128GB micro SDxc card, or 500GB of HDD for even less than that.
Maybe you can survive a bit longer with a 1 Tb drive, but I was referring to the 500 Gb base model that I own. Glad you've not had the cost of upgrading yours, but you know what? I think Switch owners will have the same experience, some will need to purchase a micro SD card to upgrade theirs and some won't.
On reflection, maybe "practically unusable" was a bit over the top. I must have been caught up in the general mood of people going over the top in this thread complaining about prices!
But I stand by my original assertion that unless you want to face a lot of waiting for installs and downloads the base model PS4 and XB1 require hard drive upgrades, whether you go all digital or not.
For Switch it seems a lot less likely that you will need to purchase a micro SD upgrade unless you are a digital-only user. For most users who go mainly retail (obviously bar indie titles on e-shop and VC purchases - fingers crossed both are available day one or soon after!) it will probably be a while before we need to upgrade at which point I expect prices will have come down and capacities will have gone up.
I dont own either xbox or ps4. But from what I understand you dont have to buy additional hd drives. You just dont keep all game updates on the drive, just the saves if you want to come back at a later time. If you want to keep a lot of digital games on the switch, well...
Of course nobody forces you to keep all the digital games you own at the same time. IMHO 32gb in 2017 thats way below the limit. At least they could have added an additional 32gb microsd card and what not.
I own both a PS4 and an XB1, so I speak from experience. Every game installs to the hard drive, including physical disc-based games. Really annoying to buy a new game and stick in the disc only to sit and wait for it to finish installing before you can play it. And there's usually a patch to download that also goes on the hard drive.
(Not small patches either, the other day my PS4 downloaded a 6.7 Gb patch for Assassin's Creed Unity - yes, half the size of Breath of the Wild on Switch!)
Of course you can delete games to free up space to install and play something else, but that soon gets tiresome. If you have a library bigger than 6 or 7 games on PS4 and play them all fairly regularly then you HAVE to upgrade your hard drive. And if you own games digitally then you are looking at some very hefty downloads if you delete a game and want to reinstall it.
Truth be told, I dont like xb1 or ps4 - this whole day 1 patch (which are quite tremendous in size) and mandatory installs are definitely not my cup of tea. Switch games on cardridges is amazing imho. However, I believe day 1 patches will become more common on nintendo consoles. Wonder how many patches skyrim will get.
I love my o3DSXL!. but the N3ds XL is also around $300 or more right now, more than a Wii U! So I think the price isn't really that bad for the console itself but when you consider the peripherals cost if you want to be able to play with others not to mention some games. 32gb is incredibly dissapointing since many gamers will fill that up quickly. Personally I want would want atleast 128GB if not 256GB.
I just read. prices for games have dropped in the UK due to massive complains on the net
Believe me, prices will drop soon for both games and the switch.
Right now Nintendo is testing the waters, on the one hand to check how many die-hard fans are out there who will buy anything for any price just to get their nintendo fix, on the other hand they will make the most profit. After some time sales will naturally decrease and then they will come with price drops. Probably saying they have listened to their fans and stuff... and adjust their prices to moderate levels.
IMHO there is no real reason to buy early. We have to stick together and send nintendo the right message. They need to dop the prices and that right soon. This is just a test run. They want to see if they can get away with those prices - we need to show them that it will not work!!!
I will be waiting it out at least until christmas.
Yes, it seems that Amazon are already offering pre-orders on games below RRP http://www.techradar.com/news/nintendo-switchs-hottest-upcomi... , so retailers are already aware that the pricing is too high and here Amazon are using it as an advantage to capitalise on sales against thier competitors.
Personally if the hardware had come in at around £200-230 I might have been tempted, as it stands at £280 I'm out... and will wait till bundles or get one second-hand (with all the accessories and a couple of games).
Prices will have dropped due to them being place holders to begin with.
As for the space, it was only due to Xenoblade Chronicles that I needed more than the 32GB.
Nope
Prices were dropped due to nintendo saying so
Source?
I'd be surprised if the price on the base package drops before 2018. Maybe retailers will bundle a game at Christmas, but otherwise I'm expecting the hardware prices to stay steady.
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Prices will have dropped due to them being place holders to begin with.
As for the space, it was only due to Xenoblade Chronicles that I needed more than the 32GB.
Nope
Prices were dropped due to nintendo saying so
Source?
I'd be surprised if the price on the base package drops before 2018. Maybe retailers will bundle a game at Christmas, but otherwise I'm expecting the hardware prices to stay steady.
dont buy it, Nintendo didn't even announce a price for the switch in the UK, why would they go from there to setting prices with retailers?
What do you mean they didnt announce a price for the switch? Have you seen the presentation?
Just btw, when it comes to distribution, retailers get their stuff from wholesalers. There is profit margins involved. Based on the prices retailers have to pay to the wholesaler they can decide about the final price. There is also recommended retail price (rrp) involved but this one is not binding. I heard about online retailers (they usually offer games and consoles a lot cheaper than in stores) that they have to pay a lot to the wholesalers and barely make a profit if they want to compete with stores.
We have to face the truth, Nintendo wants to make big money here! Like I said before they are testing consumer moods and brand loyalty. If people buy their products at these prices, it will only confirm them in their policies.
The switch can only be successful in the long run if it becomes a mass product. They need to sell a lot otherwise they are done with. They know they will have to drop the price (probably very soon - I think around christmas).
There strategy mighty also be overly high prices in the beginning and killer prices later. Imagine the switch and its games would cost much less and yet sold poorly. Right now they have lots of possibilities to go down with the price if sales are low and still make a good profit. They will probably come up with ambassador program for early adopters - like maybe 100 gold coings on mynintendo
This race to the bottom (or closer to it) may be good for the consumer (eventually) but it's annoying when shuffling around orders. Just did my 3rd order for a Pro controller at base.com as £55 is lowest i've seen so far
This topic is getting a bit annoying to me. It makes zero sense to compare the price of the Switch, a system launching in the next couple of months, to the price of PS4 and Xbone. If anything, it makes more sense to compare it to the still fairly new PS4 Pro, which is still hovering around $400.
It also makes zero sense to complain about accessories, as if you're obligated to buy them. Everything you need to enjoy the Switch is included in the box. If you choose to purchase accessories to complement your initial purchase? Fine. But you're no more required to buy a Pro controller or an extra set of joycons than you are to purchase an extra DS4 with a PS4/Pro. Where are all the silly threads complaining about the cost of a PS4 Pro because they feel compelled to purchase an extra DS4 and PSVR with it?
The reception Nintendo Switch has been getting online is internet groupthink at its worst.
If a person concludes, for whatever reason, that NS is too expensive for them, or that it doesn't have enough games for them, or that the full portability isn't worth the sacrifice in raw power, then that's perfectly fine, but some of the moronic logic that's been floating around the internet really needs to be addressed.
Its not about the money or if you obligated to buy accessoires. In all honesty, I could afford it. But can everyone?
Is it fair? Do you really think that? Especially how they screwed up people with the wii u IMHO?
I feel screwed, I invested in a system that was abandoned by third parties (not a big deal for me) but being abandoned by the company who conceived it? well...
And now they want to charge ridiculous money for each and everything. I don't understand how people cannot understand that. This is a product which might seem good but also comes with a lot of inconveniences when given some thought. Not everyone can afford that, and I feel for those people who would like to buy something nice for their kids (yes, I believe the switch would be very nice for kids) and cannot afford it or just shy away because of hidden costs or just have to put up with the fact that you have to keep investing more and more without getting more content out of it. This is not fair IMHO. After screwing up with the wii u (especially) and letting their consumers down (I am not sure, most fans will have realized that, at all) they should have made a comeback which will ensure the greates success for their new console and make up for the whole wii u disaster/failure (which it was due to their ill-conceived planning).
I am just trying to make people aware, that this might be a great product, but not at the given prices and policies. We are the consumers, we can decide and put pressure on a company and thats what we should do. And it will definitely have an effect. We should not stoop low and accept everyting for granted and pay whatever we are asked to pay. Its their decision making that has an effect on the success of their console and not our paying for their mistakes. Nintendo is making huge mistakes with their pricing policy and we need to teach them a lesson - we need to tell them that they should rethink and do better and not cheap ous out - because that what they are trying to do here. If people have the money to buy it, great, I do, too. But I will not buy it because it doesnt feel right to me, not at this prices. Thats what I am trying to make people aware of and the more people will understand the more will nintendo get down from the high horse they think they are sitting on and adjust and deliver a product will satisfy a lot of people. Its not about complaining but about making a change. Its not like that they couldnt afford to offer better prices and thats what I feel offended about. An underdog company should have a different approach. An underdog like nintendo should offer something better in order to make up for their mistakes and ill-conceived ideas. I really hope people will come to their senses and act accordingly, thats what WE consumers and fans should do - for the betterment of Nintendo. Think about it!
Imho they should drop the price by 20% on everything, games, console, accessoires and it will be fine, fair and acceptable and nobody will complain. And they will still make huge profits. They are producing at foxconn, its a chinese company which will probably not pay ridiculous amounts of money to its employees (I guess most of us have heard about working conditions at foxconn). So lets be wise here and set an example, no matter how ridiculous this may sound to you. Buying it day-one doesnt bring any benefits, not at this prices and certainly not with this launch line-up.
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