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kkslider5552000

StarryCiel wrote:

My point is that IntSys should listen to both fans of TTYD and TOK because what they want doesn't really conflict each other.

This is very accurate. Most of people's issues with TOK are generally not the things fans would die on a hill to defend. No one talking about TOK is like "I sure do hate most RPG mechanics and named characters!" while playing a turn based video game.

Similarly I don't think any TTYD fan (especially not me) is like "my games require really boring and unnecessary backtracking and don't you dare make the overworld gameplay more interesting!"

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Ralizah

I'm glad this re-release of TTYD is getting people to critically re-examine the game a bit. It's good, yeah, but heavily flawed in certain respects, especially compared to The Origami King. Nintendo can and should draw from the best aspects of both games.

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PikminMarioKirby

@Ralizah Same. People are liking it even more now, which makes me really happy! Some of the backtracking fixes and new features/QoL changes really sealed it as one of the best games of all time. I’ve played a couple dozen hours already and I’ve experienced no ‘major flaw’ or anything close to it.

Glad the TTYD remake is also taking the best of original TTYD and Origami King. I hope to see more of this going forward!

Edited on by PikminMarioKirby

Some of my favorite games are Paper Mario and TTYD, SM64, Luigi’s Mansion, Pikmin 1-4, Kirby Forgotten Land, and the DKC OG trilogy (especially the first 2). All on Switch besides LM. Nintendo please bring it back!

Joeynator3000

Chapter 4 was still kinda annoying going back and forth, but I do like the shortcut this version gives to get rid of the last couple of trips. lol

...Also hitting people with the hammer in the remake is way more enjoyable now that everyone reacts to it. lol

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StarPoint

Halfway through Chapter 2 so far. Having played the original game, I was looking forward to seeing this with a fresh coat of paint. I've been having a lot of fun coming back to it! I will say the only aspect that's disappointed me so far is the new music. It sounds pretty good most of the time, but I definitely prefer the original tracks. I'm glad there's a badge that allows you to hear the old tunes.

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Joeynator3000

I like the new music, some of the new normal battle themes kinda aren't doing it for me, but, eh...I also think I prefer the original music for Glitzville, new version of the themes are just...weird. lol

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N00BiSH

@Joeynator3000 Mind explaining the battle theme thing? I've seen that take going around and it's kinda wild to me. Isn't a big complaint with having just one RPG battle theme is how no matter how good it is, it's bound to get repetitive at one point?

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Joeynator3000

@N00BiSH I dunno, they're not bad or anything, just, somewhat forgettable. For me anyways.

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PikminMarioKirby

I personally love the soundtrack. Feels like there's twice as many new songs as OG songs. The new songs are great. The original OST is better in my opinion (I have a lot of nostalgia for the music as well) (Glad I can still listen to it in the remake), but I still love the new songs. I'd probably say that some songs are even better than the original version (not all though.)

Honestly, the new character themes are a stand-out. They are so good so far! The new battle themes are really good as well. I think they did wonderfully with it so far!

Edited on by PikminMarioKirby

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RygelXVIII

Personally feel like most of the new songs are too "noisy". It's hard to explain, but I find myself listening to them for a bit whenever I enter a new area, then toggle on the original and feel it is much better. And that's without nostalgia since I never played this on GC.

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Jhena

I met Vivian now. Weird in the German localisation Vivian is not even ones bullied, by being called a man or anything male related. They talk to each other as females all the time. And now all of a sudden Vivian talks about being a sister and not a brother. This is really confusing, I will just go with the original from now on, where he is a boy and perceive him that way.

Oh well, time to move on.

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NintendoByNature

@Jhena I've only played the remaster, so im not sure how the original portrayed this scenario. I met Vivian recently as well and I thought vivian was a girl based on the style and hair. But then vivian said "it made me happy to hear you call me your sister" ( paraphrasing here), so then I was really confused. So vivian is a man?

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Jhena

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According to the internet, Vivian is a crossdressing boy in the original Japanese GameCube game.

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NintendoByNature

@Jhena so it sounds like the NA version is the same as the original Japanese version? Or am I mistaken?

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Ralizah

@Jhena @NintendoByNature

"In the Japanese Nintendo GameCube version of Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Vivian is implied to either be a transgender woman or a male-identified crossdresser. While various other characters and narrative text describe Vivian using masculine terms such as otoko ("man"), and otōto ("little brother"), Vivian initially describes the shadow sirens as san shimai "three sisters", and routinely uses the feminine first-person pronoun atai, though this pronoun is also used by some effeminate male or gender-ambiguous characters in Japanese media. Furthermore, she becomes upset when Beldam insults her by referring to her with masculine terms. In both her party profile in The Thousand-Year Door and her Catch Card in Super Paper Mario, Vivian is referred to using the term 「オトコのコ」, otokonoko; being written in katakana, this can be interpreted either as 男の子 ("boy") or 男の娘 (otokonoko, literally "male daughter", a Japanese-language term that refers to a feminine-presenting or cross-dressing man)."

Source: https://www.mariowiki.com/Vivian

Vivian is clearly meant to be biologically male, but presents as female. There's some cultural ambiguity regarding differences in how Japan treats gender non-conformity and trans issues vs the West, but I think it makes the most sense to treat her like a transgender woman in the localization (which seems to be the route they went this time in English, unlike the original localization), considering she presents as female 24/7 and refers to herself as female.

Edited on by Ralizah

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Jhena

@NintendoByNature
As far as I know, they still changed some of the dialogue, but Vivian is male now, like in the original Japanese version.

@Ralizah
Thank you, for the thorough answer.

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Uncle_Franklin

mother becomes pig,
son wants to eat her...

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Uncle_Franklin

@Ralizah

that's interesting,
I know some cultures have considered there to be more than 2 genders for quite some time,
has that been the case in Japanese history?

Uncle_Franklin

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