@Dezzy The whole franchise. That includes merchandise, spin-offs, etc. Anything that bears the name of the franchise essentially. Pokemon is estimated to be more than twice as big as Mario. If you choose to only compare games, then sure, but the point is, they make a crap ton of money, but their games still feel like they're on a budget.
Aha, yes I was only looking at games. Forgot how much merchandise is a big money maker. I should've known because I remember George Lucas saying that about Star Wars in an interview. The movies are just the way you get people's attention, then the merch is where you make the money.
@Dezzy He was the one that pioneered that mainly as back in the 70s merch wasn't a major thing so he made a deal with Fox that he keeps the merch rights for less movie money so pushed toys hard, because of that very few studios wont outright own the merch rights themselves now. Of course that wont work as well today as toys aren't sold in the same numbers as they use to.
Pokemon gets around it by selling more to the same people rather than selling the same product to more people, Gotta Catch em All. It's more the case of how they can licence it so there's a constant cartoon series, a yearly crap movie, card game etc which they are paid for rather than toys themselves.
If Nintendo hadn't stopped milking Mario hard after the rubbish 90s film I could see Mario out grossing Pokemon. Although fairplay to Pokemon to keeping it up, it had 90s fad written all over it.
The day is September 14th, the SMB 35th anniversary has passed and the only celebration on the gaming front is a sale on Mario games. Also no Direct has happened with the only 1st party news being a trailer for the next Animal Crossing update.
Meanwhile on the PS5 front, preorders went live a few days ago and sold out in 10 minutes
Can anyone point to anything by Nintendo that actually said we are getting another console, Mario 64 and other Mario games.
Or is everything based on rumours and NL and others are implicit in stirring the pot.
@FragRed It was half joke, half serious. I could see a Direct on September 10th with us finally getting more info on the Switch holiday season and early 2021 but on the other hand I could see September 10th being a Series X event instead where we finally get the Xbox info (Series S, pricing, launch lineup, etc.) given the remaining Xbox stuff with release dates (Outer Worlds DLC, Tell Me Why chapters 2 and 3) is all released by September 10th. Whichever opens preorders first out of Microsoft and Sony will lead to the other opening them very soon after.
@Grumblevolcano I think there's basically no way that Microsoft will go first announcing a price. They know from experience that Sony will gazump them if they do and Microsoft will look stupid. You can't immediately roll back on a big price announcement - you have to live with it for a period of time and it's very difficult to recover from being overpriced on day one (see the Xbox One launch or the Sega Saturn launch or the PS3 launch).
I do think the game of chicken between Sony and Microsoft is influencing what Nintendo is choosing to communicate. This year there's such a big advantage to being the last one to make big announcements.
I think that @status-204 may be somewhere on the money in regards to the launch of the next gen consoles not going according to plan - but my guess would be that they'll both manage to get something out there. It could be for instance that Microsoft only release the Series S this year and have the Series X following after.
@StuTwo If Microsoft and Sony take the game of chicken to the complete extreme (not announcing until it has to be announced for retailer reasons), the system that releases first would have price revealed first because the price has to be revealed at least a certain amount of time before launch.
Well, neither has committed to a console launch date, either, @Grumblevolcano .... It'd presumably be at the very least a month's notice, of date & price?
@Grumblevolcano Definitely - there's a cliff edge in this game of chicken! You can't launch without a price and both are still launching this year. The idea of "pre-order before we even announce a price" might well be something we see though.
The bigger problem is that the longer you try to hold those cards to your chest the greater the chance that rumours and gossip risk taking the cards away from you. You can already see this when news outlets run articles on "Amazon declares PS5 costs £500!" or "PS5 costs less than we thought new Asda product page declares". When you launch such a big product you want to keep control of the narrative at all times. Wait too long and your control is gone.
Personally I think that it's pretty clear that Sony should go first. They are the clear market leaders and likely to stay as such. The longer they wait the more it suggests to the market that they have a lack of confidence in their own position. When you've outsold your rivals 3:1 and have a more cohesive offering overall you shouldn't be projecting fear in any way, shape or form.
@BruceCM I don’t why people keep writing off the Miles Spider Man game as if it’s not a system seller. The first one was a MASSIVE selling game and sold better than Horizon, God of War, Rachet & Clank, Final Fantasy etc.
I wouldn't buy any console for one game, even if that was my most hyped game ever or something .... Series X will have games coming around launch, depending exactly when that is It seems most people in my forums are talking about waiting to get the PS5, even the big Spiderman fans. Guess we'll have to see how it does actually go, though
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