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Topic: Is Nintendo resting on its laurels?

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Tiefseemiez

@Cobalt
You are absolutely right about that. But if there are still enough people buying the Switch and its games, even though some people complain in the forums, maybe those products simply weren't for you.
Sure Nintendo doesn't do everything perfectly. But for sure they are also aware that they need to please their customers. Thats how businesses work.

@skywake
Thank you.

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Tiefseemiez

@Cobalt
Please do the same check for the other platforms mentioned. Thanks.

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skywake

@Cobalt
Wii
1. Super Mario Galaxy OK
2. Twilight Princess MULTIPLAT GC
3. World of Goo MULTIPLAT
4. Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition MULTIPLAT
5. Okami MULTIPLAT
6. Metroid Prime 3 OK

Wii U
1. Super Mario 3D World OK
2. Rayman Legends MULTIPLAT
3. Wind Waker HD PORT

PS3:
1. GTA 4 MULTIPLAT
2. LittleBigPlanet OK
3. BioShock MULTIPLAT
4. CoD 4 MULTIPLAT
5. Metal Gear Solid 4 OK
6. Oblivion MULTIPLAT
7. Rock Band MULTIPLAT
8. Rock Band 2 MULTIPLAT
9. Fallout 3 MULTIPLAT

If you're going to create special rules for what counts and what doesn't at least apply them equally. I'd also note that I am not really applying these rules 100% equally. We're not really that close two two full years for the Switch and yet most of those other consoles I listed I counted 90%+ releases for the first two FULL years. Not that it matters much, other than Smash I doubt there will be many 90%+ releases before March next year.

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Toy_Link

If Splatoon 2 is a port so is Super Smash Bros. For Wii U, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, New Super Mario Bros. U and Super Mario 3D World

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Toy_Link

“B-B-But I said Mario Odyssey was only OK, that means everyone else who isn’t a part of Nintendo PR must hate it!”

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Eel

And Pokemon Let's Go will be a weird unholy mutant casual mobile port hd remaster remake monstrosity.

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Tiefseemiez

@Yosheel
At least it's not an Indie game! ;-P

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Therad

Yosheel wrote:

And Pokemon Let's Go will be a weird unholy mutant casual mobile port hd remaster remake monstrosity.

I don't get the remake dismissal of let's go. It is obviously a new game. I can dismiss it just fine despite that!

Therad

DannyBoi

Yes Nintendo are resting on their laurels, but only in terms of sytem features. The games are fine.

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Cobalt

@skywake

1st, it's not because a game is not above 90% on metacritic that its not a good exclusive. So I even dunno why you came on that 90%...

2nd, I don't compare the work that you have to do when you take an SD game and rebuilt it from the ground in HD, with an already HD game that you port in HD too.

3rd, Rayman Legends (like a lot of other multiplat on the Wii U, Deus EX, Resident Revelations, Mass Effect 3 etc...) have several additions via the gamepad use. So basically, there is a benefit to play those versions. On the Switch, the multiplats offer LESS (framerate, textures etc... than the other platforms). It's a little bit different ! ^^

4th, the Wii U had a lot of great exclusives from the start. It's not the case of the Switch.

5th, the Wii U games that 90% of the gamers didn't care during the Wii U era became by god knows what miracle, AWESOME GAMES on the Switch... this is insane.

What are the exclusives since the beginning of this year ?

A mediocre Kirby
A mediocre Mario Tennis
A cardboard game
and ?

Fortunatly Square Enix save July with Octopath Traveler but god, 8 MONTHS between Xenoblade 2 and Octopath Traveler... 8 freakin' months... unacceptable from my perspective.

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Cobalt

skywake

Therad wrote:

I don't get the remake dismissal of let's go. It is obviously a new game. I can dismiss it just fine despite that!

Even so it's not particularly unusual to have to wait this long for a "real" Pokemon game to appear on a new console. I'd argue it's actually kinda typical and if anything they're pushing for Switch a bit harder than they have previous consoles. Case and point X&Y launched in late 2013, a good two and a half years after the launch of the 3DS. More in line with when the "proper" Pokemon on Switch is going to launch.

Very easy to look at the early life of a console in comparison to EOL platforms and complain about the library. Much harder when you actually look at the timeline. All I know is that 511 days after launch I have brought more games for Switch than I had for the Wii or Wii U at the equivalent point. All three of which I brought at launch. I also know that, despite buying more games on Switch, I'm being more picky about which games I get. On the Wii U I wouldn't have skipped a game like Mario & Rabbids, on the Switch I found myself getting Splatoon 2 a good 6 months after it came out.

Perspective. Easy to make a list of things to whine about if you're in a mood. Much harder to actually find a reason to complain about where the Switch is at currently relative to previous consoles. Especially from a software output point of view.

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skywake

Cobalt wrote:

1st, it's not because a game is not above 90% on metacritic that its not a good exclusive. So I even dunno why you came on that 90%...

Metacritic rating is the most objective measure we have. If you want to complain that one game should count more or less we end up endlessly debating the merits of blah, blah, blah. I don't care. The fact is the Switch has a good number of games that have received universal acclaim from critics. No amount of hand waving from you can change that fact.

Cobalt wrote:

2nd, I don't compare the work that you have to do when you take an SD game and rebuilt it from the ground in HD, with an already HD game that you port in HD too.

As a consumer I couldn't care less how much effort was required. The only thing I care about is how new the game is to me personally. And while I owned a Wii U not a lot of other people did, to them these are brand new experiences. If you're dismissing BotW on Switch as a port I'm sure as hell going to dismiss Wind Waker HD.

Cobalt wrote:

3rd, Rayman Legends (like a lot of other multiplat on the Wii U, Deus EX, Resident Revelations, Mass Effect 3 etc...) have several additions via the gamepad use. So basically, there is a benefit to play those versions. On the Switch, the multiplats offer LESS

This is why I'm using metacritic ratings and not personal opinions. As far as I'm concerned being fully portable makes games like Bayonetta, Rocket League, Mario Kart 8 worth buying again. I'm sure the same is true for games I haven't picked up like Doom, Skyrim etc even if there is a bit of a performance hit.

I'd also add that none of the games I listed earlier perform worse on Switch. All of the ones that were ported from Wii U perform better on Switch i.e. BotW, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta. All of the others you were dismissing are indie releases which hit 60fps without issue, most of them aren't on Wii U and all of them benefit from portability.

Cobalt wrote:

4th, the Wii U had a lot of great exclusives from the start. It's not the case of the Switch.

It really didn't

Cobalt wrote:

5th, the Wii U games that 90% of the gamers didn't care during the Wii U era became by god knows what miracle, AWESOME GAMES on the Switch... this is insane.

Difference between Wii U and Switch game rating on metacritic for "Wii U ports":
Mario Kart 8: +4%
Shovel Knight: +3%
DKC TF: +3%
BotW: +1%
Bayonetta 2: +1%
Captain Toad: +1%
Fast Racing Neo/RMX: 0%
Axiom Verge: -2%
Lego City Undercover: -2%
RE Revelations: -2%
Rayman Legends: -8%

There's obviously more interest now because more people have a Switch than had a Wii U. But in terms of critical reception? Overall not really much of a difference. Certainly not from not caring at all to thinking these are the best games ever.

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Tiefseemiez

@Cobalt
3rd: You can see it that way, but then the Switch is probably not really meant for you. The main advantage every port/multiplatform game on the Switch has is portability. This is the main feature of the Switch after all. And having games on the go is a HUGE additional feature for many, so why do you question that?

5th: I don't think anyone ever questioned the quality of the Wii U games in the first place. It's just that no one bought them, because no one owned a Wii U. It is different with the Switch. Why would Nintendo hesitate to release the Wii U's best games on Switch? People can buy them that would have otherwise not been able to play them. It doesn't lower anythings value. It just makes sense.

One would suspect that sales figures kind of underline the aspect that there are many people liking the Switch and the games available. You can disqualify Mario Tennis and Kirby and whatever from being a worthwhile game, but that is very subjective and you cannot argue that those are no games that were made, liked and bought at all by anyone. Your perception is no universal truth.

@skywake:
I really like how you argue very rationally.

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skywake

I'll also add this graph while I'm here. Note that this is as of today for all three platforms shown. Wii U, 3DS and Switch. So the Switch is at a massive disadvantage given that those other platforms have had years to build up a library. Yet it still has more games and in particular games rated highly.

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Cobalt

@Tiefseemiez

The portability could be great IF :

-you could play outside when it's sunny day because if looking at the screen of my phone is absolutly possible, I can't with the one of the Switch (the screen is not treated against sunlight, it's a little stupid for a portable device)

-you could experience your games on the go without a downgrade espacially when these games are not polished even when you play docked... Xenoblade 2 is the perfect example. The game has issues when docked but goshhh, in the portable mode is just unacceptable. There are some places, I thought that my Switch was broken that bad it was... :/

So yeah, portability, portability, port a bi li ty is not really a working promise from my perspective. Sure it's nice as a concept but in the real world it's not that great...

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skywake

Cobalt wrote:

@skywake
What's the date of that graph ?

skywake wrote:

I'll also add this graph while I'm here. Note that this is as of today for all three platforms shown. Wii U, 3DS and Switch.

reading comprehension....

Cobalt wrote:

The portability could be great IF

Oh go suck a lemon, the portability is great. The whine about performance is a load of bollocks especially when the console you've been comparing it to is the Wii U. The Wii U was not only far less portable but it also performed worse on the TV than the Switch does undocked.

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Tiefseemiez

@Cobalt
Well, there can always be made improvements, sure.
I enjoy playing with the Switch outside and I especially enjoyed playing Xenoblade 2 on the go.

That is what I meant: Your perception is not a universal truth. We both did the same thing, but you are botheres by it and I wasn't. Many people think the Switch is great because of its portability, many do not. Since it is the main selling point of the Switch, you are probably out of luck and should have considered purchasing a brand new portable console in beforehand. After a while you could have decided if the concept of the console and the games offered on it are for you or instead are not.

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Cobalt

@skywake

"Oh go suck a lemon, the portability is great. The whine about performance is a load of bollocks especially when the console you've been comparing it to is the Wii U. The Wii U was not only far less portable but it also performed worse on the TV than the Switch does undocked.

You mean a 2012 system with a technology of 2007 perform less than a 2017 system with the latest portable GPGPU + double of RAM ? NOOOOOOO, O RLY ?

Sorry but this is ridiculous, it's even more ridiculous when you can clearly see that there is not a HUGE GAP between the 2 systems... LMAO

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Cobalt

Cobalt

@Tiefseemiez

I'm agree with you but when I buy NINTENDO, is because I love NINTENDO's games.
So, the portability is a "gadget" for me because the main reason is NINTENDO GAMES.

I'm still waiting for them sadly...

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