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Cobalt

@Snaplocket

I respect your opinion but I think totally the opposite ! ^^

In 17 months, only 2 games (Kingdom Battle and Octopath Traveler) are great as Switch exclusives.

Xenoblade 2 is good but when you have played Xenoblade Wii and Xenoblade X, it's embarrassing how technically the game is disappointing.
Super Mario Odyssey is, from my perspective, the most overated 3D Mario Ever.
Splatoon 2 is an enhanced version of the 1st one.
And all the other games are "specials" 1 2 Switch, snipperclips, Nintendo Labo etc...

The incredible thing, after 17 months, is what I consider as great games ARE EVEN NOT MADE BY NINTENDO ! o_O

The awesome Nintendo games on the Switch are Wii U games :

Bayonetta 2
Donkey Kong CTF
MarioKart 8
Zelda Breath of The Wild
Captain Toad Treasure Tracker
Hyrule Warriors
Lego City Undercover
etc...

I don't care to have 500 shovelwares and 200 android/Ios games on the Eshop...
The Switch has nothing really attractive that define its identity in terms of games.

Ok, it's a nice concept, ok you can take your game on the go (I personally don't care espacially when I saw how IMPOSSIBLE it is to play when it's sunny outside, the screen is not made to handle to much light :/)

So, I want Nintendo to succeed but for me, they have to bring BIG Nintendo games, those games that we all love, those game changers, those games that you'll talk about even in 20 years still...

Who's gonna talk about 1 2 Switch(which is a shame that its not offered in the box BTW) in 20 years ?
Nobody does today already...

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Cobalt

Mountain_Man

Cobalt wrote:

@Mountain_Man

Probably because you never had a WiiU... ^^

I have a Wii U. And a Wii. And a 3DS. I used to have a DS. And I still have a Game Boy Advance SP that my son likes to play. But the Switch is my all-time favorite Nintendo console. I don't even care that games like Mario Kart 8 are technically Wii U ports, or that I could play Skyrim and Doom on my PC. They're still terrific games, and prefer the Switch because I don't have to choose between sitting down to play a "big" game or playing portable. One system can do it all, and that works for me.

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LzWinky

Droughts are relative.

I haven't played several of the ports released, so I am content with my amount of content

Current games: Everything on Switch

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Cobalt

@Mountain_Man

I understand your point but tell me, if the next system would be launched in 3 years and the line up is made of Mario Kart 8 giga deluxe edition, Splatoon 2 alpha prime +, Super Mega Mario Odyssey etc... Are you gonna buy them again and again ?

Do you think that it's abnormal to play NEW GAMES on you new system ?

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Cobalt

kkslider5552000

I'm sorry you haven't been into Nintendo's recent titles, but you're in the minority to say the least. shrugs

Though your complaints about Nintendo's games not being the best is not some impossible new thing. The best Wii U games were Shovel Knight and Rayman Legends, no one even bought Wonderful 101. And BOTW was at the end. 3DS had similar issues imho, and was obviously way less powerful...

If we're using unpopular, subjective opinions for debate, anyway.

As for an actual answer that actually has some relevance to the main quest, it's really hard to say with Nintendo's mindset sometimes for it's stranger and more controversial decisions. Nintendo could be not trying its best with certain aspects (paid online going forward being the most likely example), or maybe they are biding their time because the Switch is doing so well that they can afford to slowly release things (the non-gaming services people want) and improvements that people want for the Switch. Or maybe there's some issues with how chaotic Nintendo likely has been since Iwata's passing. Or maybe Nintendo just hasn't hired the most/best programmers for certain aspects of the Switch, partially because Nintendo is doesn't have a lot of layoffs compared to many other major gaming companies. Or maybe Marty Mcfly went back in time, disguised himself as Darth Vader and told the new president how best to update and sell the Switch going forward, who knows really? Nintendo is such a secretive company that I have no idea, and you don't either.

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Mountain_Man

TheShadowFax wrote:

...what is applied to you cannot be applied to the general audience.

I'm probably more in line with the "general audience" than other people who visit this site. I suspect the majority of Switch buyers are what are disdainfully referred to as "casual gamers" who don't visit forums like this to debate the merits of upcoming releases. And considering how the Switch is on track to beat sales projections a second year in a row, it seems the "general audience" does not share this forum's pessimism.

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The Mountain Man

Heavyarms55

@RunGMhx I think Nintendo certainly could do more. The Switch is, hands down, my favorite gaming system since my Game Boy Color. And I have played basically everything between then and now in terms of hardware except obscure stuff like the Ouya.

Things like Netflix and YouTube, and better eshop curation I completely agree on. I also disagree with their current approach to retro content but hope to have my opinion changed once they start releasing games on it. Hopefully those NES titles are just the very small tip of the iceberg that will eventually lead to a flood of retro options from all eras NES to Gamecube.

On first party titles, I half agree and half disagree. Part of what makes Nintendo games incredible is the insane level of refinement and polish that goes into them. Games like Odyssey and BotW (NOT a port by the way, it wasn't released on Wii U first, it was just a given as a final parting gift to Wii U as well) get that extreme level of polish by putting a huge amount of resources and time into them and it shows. Yes Nintendo is a huge company, but even they have to be careful about dividing up their resources too much. Or we lose that incredible polish. And they aren't Sony or Microsoft with huge amounts of staff from other departments to draw on if needed. That said, I do think they could do somewhat more. I actually think more Wii U ports are warranted. Games like Mario Maker, the HD Zelda remasters, 3D World and others would all easily sell again. However I also think they should return to that golden standard they had last year of one major release a month. Alternating between ports, 3rd party major releases, and new major 1st party content.

But in the end, I don't think they are resting on their laurels, I think they are just being more conservative than they need to be.

Oh yeah, and Splatoon 2 is not a port, it's a full blown sequel and one of the most successful and best games Nintendo has put out in the last decade.

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Heavyarms55

@Magician Xbox Scarlet is not a name I have heard before. Was that suggested recently or your own idea?

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Mountain_Man

Cobalt wrote:

@Mountain_Man

I understand your point but tell me, if the next system would be launched in 3 years and the line up is made of Mario Kart 8 giga deluxe edition, Splatoon 2 alpha prime +, Super Mega Mario Odyssey etc... Are you gonna buy them again and again ?

Do you think that it's abnormal to play NEW GAMES on you new system ?

A worst case scenario hypothetical, huh?

If the next Nintendo console doesn't offer anything interesting or novel in terms of hardware or software then, no, I probably won't buy it. But I don't see that happening.

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Heavyarms55

@Cobalt I still have my Wii U and guess what, I don't mind the ports in the slightest, and actually am hoping for more.

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LzWinky

Cobalt wrote:

Do you think that it's abnormal to play NEW GAMES on you new system ?

Inside was a NEW GAME for me.
Rayman Legends is a NEW GAME for me.
Ys VIII is a NEW GAME for me.

So, again, relative

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Yorumi

@Heavyarms55 Xbox scarlet is a rumored code name for the next gen Xbox that May release in 2020. From what I understand the info comes from a reliable source.

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KryptoniteKrunch

@Mountain_Man

Couldn't agree more. There have been plenty of Switch games released this year so far, not to mention all the games released last year I'm still catching up on. At the end of June we got Ys, Wolf2 and Crash in a matter of days. Jump ahead to July, we've had Captain Toad, Shining Resonance, Mega Man X collection and Octopath Traveller.

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darkfenrir

The only time I haven't been buying games are first half of 2018, but after that I have TOO many games in my backlog.

*Note that even though I don't have Wii U, the only port I consider buying is probably Xenoblade series and Tokyo Mirage Session... that's literally 3 games only for Wii U, compared to my list of games for Switch.

Just for this year, I'm getting games like, Ys8, Shining Resonance, Octopath, Little Dragon's Cafe, Xenoblade 2 DLC (? I guess this doesn't count, but it'll be my september's), The World Ends With You, Starlink, Let's Go Eevee, and if it's still in 2018, Tales of Vesperia.

I don't even touch the Wii U games port! Not Bayo or Donkey Kong! So telling me that Wii U has better list of games? Yeah it's literally a no since I also need a TV for Wii U lol.


Also for the resting on its laurels... Idk, I like Daemon x Machina for next year for sure though. That game looks amaziiing.

darkfenrir

Therad

RunGMhx wrote:

@Therad You mean the 3DS? Ok but the new one shouldn't be a switch replacement but more of a entry tier portable no? Seems to me like to lines of hardware and therefore two different lineup... Also I'm not so sure about the new portable not being the switch, because previous portable exclusive are now scheduled for the Switch (Pokemon and Fire Emblem main series are what I have in mind...)

We can't be sure what the next portable will be or if they scrap that line. But I think they want an entry level hardware, something a bit cheaper than the switch and the 3ds is 8 years old by next spring and sales have started to go down significantly.

Nintendo seems to have cleaned up their dev tools and are using modern technology. Unless they are stupid, they should keep those and use the same for the handheld.

Just like apple and Google are providing dev platforms for their entire iOS and android line, regardless if it is phone, tablet, smartwatch or tethered to a TV.

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Therad

the_shpydar

I have not read a single post in this thread, but nevertheless allow me to answer the topic question.

No.

Now you know. And knowing is half the battle.

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Tiefseemiez

I think it's rather resting on its yannies.

Seriously internet, the fact that nobody made this (absolutely horrible) joke disappoints me.

I didn't read everything aswell, but I kind of hate this general debate. Nobody is privileged to get the kinds of game they love all the time and as often as they maybe wish. Nintendo is not your grandmother always cooking you favorite meal. They cook for others too. And even if you do not like every game they put out and some of them even were ports of the previous console nobody owned, there is still enough to play.
I have quite a backlog on the system and I had one on Wii U and 3DS aswell. And I wasn't interested in so many games: Doom, Kirby, Wolfenstein, Hyrule Warriors, Octo Expansion, all the JRPGs except XC2 and I would maybe be interested in Ys, but have too much to play already.
All those complaints make the gaming scene look like a spoiled brat. Seriously, do you have more hours in the day than I have? I usually have the impression there are quite many on here with a job and a family or I don't know .... stuff to do in life....friends....other hobbies....
People sometimes act like the world is bound to end soon, because Nintendo does not release enough games.

And I don't think it is resting on its laurels at all. They really showed last year that they still can reinvent themselves (BOTW, Odyssey, Arms, Snipperclips and this year Labo). And as someone mentioned before: They always have announcements up their sleeve.
But you also got to bear in mind that they are a major company that isn't as flexible and has to plan their ressources carfully. It would have been stupid to put everything in Switch-development as it could have failed as much as the Wii U, so of course they still made 3DS-games. But after all it was enough they invested, wasn't it? The Switch isn't a huge success for nothing.
I think people tend to underestimate the amount of thought people that work in businesses or politics put into their actions.

Never want to come down, never want to put my feet back down on the ground.

Cobalt

@Tiefseemiez

Nintendo can be happy to have consumers like you. ^^

For me, it's like you're a boss in a company and there is an employee who fails to comply with the rules, who makes several mistakes etc... And you, as a leader you're looking for excuses to justify his mistakes.

We, players, are kind of the bosses of Nintendo. I know when I say it like that it sounds stupid but take a minute :

_Nintendo is working to make games, we're gonna pay them to buy what they have produced.
_Employees are working to make tasks, the boss is gonna pay them to buy what they have produced.
It's the same idea...

Without us(players), Nintendo is skrewed. It's us who give money to them.
I estimate that "my employee^^" hasn't done a good job because that's incredible after 17 months, I have only 1 Nintendo game (Xenoblade 2) on my Day 1 Switch.
This is not right...

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Cobalt

skywake

Games above 90% on Metacritic after the first two years:

Switch: 10
PS3: 9
PS4: 8
Wii: 6
Wii U: 5
360: 3
XBOne: 3
3DS: 3
DS: 2
Vita: 1
PSP: 0

1. Breath of the Wild
2. Super Mario Odyssey
3. Celeste
4. INSIDE
5. Mario Kart 8
6. Bayonetta 2
7. Steam World Heist
8. Shovel Knight
9. Sonic Mania
10. Hollow Knight

"but they're all ports and indies"... I don't care, it was the same for the others. eg the Wii equivalent list would be:
1. Super Mario Galaxy
2. Twilight Princess
3. World of Goo
4. Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
5. Okami
6. Metroid Prime 3

I'm not buying the rose tinted glasses

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Cobalt

@skywake

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild MULTIPLAT WIIU
Super Mario Odyssey OK
Celeste MULTIPLAT
INSIDE MULTIPLAT
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe MULTIPLAT WIIU
Bayonetta 2 MULTIPLAT WIIU
SteamWorld Heist: Ultimate Edition MULTIPLAT WIIU
Shovel Knight MULTIPLAT WIIU
Sonic Mania Plus MULTIPLAT
Hollow Knight MULTIPLAT
Bayonetta + Bayonetta 2 MULTIPLAT WIIU

Yeah this is fantastic !

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