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ValhallaOutcast

Everyone is comparing everyone is comparing 16 months of Switch vs 50-60 months of other consoles

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Therad

@skywake I think 2018 has been mediocre game wise. But not only for switch, but also for the 3ds. I suspect they will launch a new handheld next year, and I am not sure it will be able to play switch games. It is much easier to build a cheaper model if it isn't.

Switch is my secondary platform, after PC. I see very little reason to own either of the power twins. That is why I am usually only counting first party titles on switch. And when you do that, 2018 haven't been anything special. Especially since they pushed Yoshi and fire emblem.

But I agree we had a great influx the first year. The switch will have a good year and will fare very well in the market. They will hit the 20 mil target easily.

PS I have no real opinion on let's go. I know too little for that. But it sure ain't a remake DS.

Therad

Cobalt

@skywake

Again, it's your way of thinking and I respect it even if I don't share it.

I'm happy for the people who like what's going on with the switch but that's true that it's not my case.
It's not me who is right, it's not you too, it's just a different opinion, a different gaming experience, a different legacy in gaming history.

Maybe the fact that "I'm old" makes a difference, dunno... Maybe the fact that start video games on the first computers in 1980, dunno... goshhh 1980 o_O time flies...

Cobalt

Tiefseemiez

@Cobalt
@skywake

I think the problem we have is more a language problem than anything else.
I also thought you, Cobalt, was stating that Switch objectively does not have many games and is a bad portable. Because those statements are factually wrong as proven by skywake.
Of course you can say "The games released are not interesting for me and the ones that are, are not enough for me." or "When I use my Switch, I usually use it outside when the sun shines bright and the fact that the display reflects that much basically makes the Switch useless to me.". Somehow the personal aspect didn't quite come through in your argument though, that is why we discussed about it.

And if you are old enough to have experienced video games in the 80ies, 90ies and 00ies you must have seen far worse than the Switch.
I remember people complaining about the original GBA and its shiny screen.

Never want to come down, never want to put my feet back down on the ground.

Cobalt

@Yorumi
"we’ve posted the first year of the n64 and it quite honestly blows away the switch."

YEP !

Cobalt

skywake

ValhallaOutcast wrote:

Everyone is comparing 16 months of Switch vs 50-60 months of other consoles

A couple of pages back I tried to do this but it's a very tedious thing to do. What I've done instead is compare the libraries as of today which tells you enough I think. And when you do that you can clearly see that the Switch already has a library that's easily more impressive than the Vita and Wii U. That in terms of critical reception it's library is rivalling the 3DS. And while it's still behind the XBOne and well behind the PS4? It's not that bad considering it has only been out for a year and a bit.

Therad wrote:

I think 2018 has been mediocre game wise. But not only for switch, but also for the 3ds. I suspect they will launch a new handheld next year, and I am not sure it will be able to play switch games. It is much easier to build a cheaper model if it isn't.

I'd agree that 2018 has been a bit average especially in comparison to 2017. But I think it's fair to say that any year will look a bit average when the previous year was Mario Kart, Splatoon, Mario, Zelda and a new console. I don't think this is a sign that they're releasing a new platform. I think it's a sign that the 3DS is in decline and that 2017 had been the target for a lot of development teams who are now starting new projects.

Cobalt wrote:

I'm happy for the people who like what's going on with the switch but that's true that it's not my case. It's not me who is right, it's not you too, it's just a different opinion, a different gaming experience, a different legacy in gaming history.

If you were making a purely subjective argument then you'd have somewhat of a point. For example if you said you liked a particular genre of game and that genre specifically is under-represented on Switch? Sure. If you said you don't care about portability and for you the higher performance of PS4/XBOne/PC makes those platforms better? Then sure. I understand.

But no. You said that the Switch's lineup of software is worse than the Wii U specifically. That the GamePad specific features added on Wii U games make those releases more impressive than they are on Switch. Specifically because the Switch isn't a powerhouse in portable mode. There is no subjectivity here, you are wrong.

Yorumi wrote:

we’ve posted the first year of the n64 and it quite honestly blows away the switch.

It doesn't. It took the N64 3 years to get as many games as the Switch has amassed in half that time.

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Krull

@Cobalt Ha, the GX4000 - now there was a doomed console. I'm thoroughly amazed it even had 50 games, TBH. I had a CPC 464 at the time and read magazines like Amstrad Action, so I nearly fell for the hype.

Are you suggesting the GX4000 had a better opening 17-18 months than the Switch? I kind of hope you are...

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Cobalt

@Krull

I had a 464 too with monochrome screen(those beautiful green gradient colors LOL) and just after a year or something, I got a 6128 with colors, yayyyy
I had a friend with a 664 even, goshh I think only 10 people got a 664 in the world... LMAO

Great period, great games too on the CPC. Rainbow Islands, Target Renegade, Captain Trueno, After the War, Rick Dangerous etc... Godddd, I have tears in my eyes... ^^

No, I wouldn't say that the GX4000 had a better opening but I would say that retrospectively the CPC had a better one.
I even don't talk about the Amiga 500/600 because then It was just awesome in term of games !

Cobalt

ValhallaOutcast

Snaplocket wrote:

ValhallaOutcast wrote:

Everyone is comparing everyone is comparing 16 months of Switch vs 50-60 months of other consoles

Pretty much this. I mean, does anyone here remember the first year for the PS4 or XBONE or 3ds or N64 or Sega Saturn or PS2 or literally any other console's launch from the PS1 era onwards?

Exactly the PS4 launched Nov 2013 I can’t think of one good game release before Bloodborne which was around May 2015 , some would even argue Uncharted 4 was the first big blockbuster for the system which was early 2016

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LzWinky

I'd argue Switch has had the strongest first year of any console. I can only recall the SNES getting a new Mario and Zelda within one year of each other.

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Octane

@TheLZdragon GameCube! Mario and Zelda within 6 months from each other, with Metroid Prime in between.

Octane

LzWinky

True, but I meant in the first year

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skywake

@ValhallaOutcast
I wouldn't go that far, the PS4 did have some pretty decent games at this stage also. Sure a lot of them were indie releases, multiplatform titles or remasters of PS3 titles as is the case with the Switch now. But it did have some pretty solid games that got universal critical acclaim. I wouldn't say it was doing better than the Switch is currently, especially if you prefer Zelda to GTA, but to say that it had nothing until 2016 is stretching it a bit.

@TheLZdragon @Octane
Technically the Wii also had Mario & Zelda in the first year with Metroid in between. Though, outside of Wii Sports, it falls way short of the Switch in terms of multiplayer games. Especially online multiplayer titles which I don't think the Wii had really at all until Mario Kart in '08. So even without Metroid, IMO, the Switch beat the Wii

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TuVictus

As long as the only reason 2018 is more muted is because all the dev teams are in the middle of their next major games, I'm still optimistic about the Switch's upcoming year. Can't wait to see what's in store once they give us another direct

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Mountain_Man

darkfenrir wrote:

*Note that even though I don't have Wii U, the only port I consider buying is probably Xenoblade series...

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is a new game, not a port.

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The Mountain Man

Eel

What darkfenrir means is that they would buy a port of xeboblade chronicles x, not that xenoblade chronicles 2 is a port of it.

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Mountain_Man

Ah, I misunderstood.

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skywake

ReaderRagfish wrote:

Nintendo's strongest first year in my opinion is GBA. Castlevania, Bomberman, F Zero, Mario Kart, Advance Wars, Golden Sun, Mega Man Battle Network, Crash Bandicoot, Wario Land, Tekken, Sonic Advance, Tactics Ogre, etc.

As great as Mario Kart, Castlevania and Advance Wars are I'd argue that the GBA was missing to many of the big hitters at that point. Pokemon wasn't until a while later, same with Zelda and Metroid. It was also the console that Mario forgot with nothing new and only ports of SNES/NES titles. Think about it, every other Nintendo console has had it's own brand new Mario game of some kind except the GBA.

Hard to say a console that never got new Mario and had to wait for Zelda, Metroid & Pokemon had the strongest start. Especially when it was before portable Animal Crossing and before portable Smash Bros.

@Snaplocket
Not saying the Switch isn't ahead of where the PS4 was at this point. I'm just saying it's a bit of a stretch to say the PS4 had no games. I also don't think it's reasonable to go excluding a bunch of games from a console's library just because they don't fit some arbitrary measure of "exclusiveness". Case and point GTAV is the best reviewed and best selling game on the PS4, it's a bit rough to say that it doesn't count.

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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"

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