@Yorumi It's actually not too different from MS's and Sony's approach with their vanilla consoles and the X and Pro. And rumours suggest MS is going to offer a cheaper streaming only option next gen. Options are always great. Maybe that's something we could see with the Switch 2, a home console, and a portable (with the option to dock it of course).
@Yorumi Wow, how have I completely missed that game? I'm gonna need to do some more research, it looks really good on first impressions.
Although currently I'm getting my jollies replaying RollerCoaster Tycoon 1 and 2. I'm not sure if any park builder can top those two in my heart, but I'm willing to give Planet Coaster a shot.
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@Yorumi It could possibly be done, but I don't know if that's better than mid-gen upgrades like PS4 Pro or New 3DS. I feel like PS4 Pro and New 3DS and etc work better when it's clear cut, simple (with only two variants on the same hardware), and still gets the power boost enthusiasts want.
Not to mention, it could splinter development teams as to which "dock" you want compared to everything else, which may seem extremely off-putting to the consumer.
That said, one point I find interesting is the scalable nature of games like PCs. Xbox backwards compatibility, as limited as it can be at times, actually has a pretty sweet idea in allowing older games to get performance boosts, even through emulation. Even the Wii had something of the sort in outputting N64 games in 480p instead of 240p. And with dynamic resolution and etc being cornerstone performance-saving techniques nowadays, I feel like backwards compatibility by designing games to be scalable right from the outset, while making backwards compatibility a keystone feature from all those products beyond would go a long way in making backwards compatibility even better and help leverage one certain product over others as years go on.
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Well there is what is essentially a "non-portable" Switch on the market already. Literally the same thing but with a higher clock speed and, to make things a bit crazier, it's sold in China with 4 Wii titles. It's running a custom version of Android rather than the lighter weight Switch OS. But still, it's a thing.
It would be super easy for Nintendo to just roll that out here as a different SKU for the Switch. It'd also not take that much at all for them to roll out a Switch with a higher spec Tegra chip that's a bit more capable. Those already exist. But to go much beyond that would be shooting themselves in the foot. The last thing they want to do is release a new console that can play games the Switch can't or visa versa.
..... I personally think we're a ways off anything even remotely close to new hardware from Nintendo.
@Yorumi Hm, when you put it like that I'm more convinced, but that'll require changing the status quo of consoles even more than now. As much as mini-PCs they are, they still have the convenience advantage over PCs. And granted, there will still be convenience with that prospect, but I don't know how it would work after a few years, when games get more demanding and what would originally targeted 1080p/60fps now only does 720p/30fps. It would be a lot to keep track of versus "pop this game in, what you see is what you get". Maybe seeing is believing or I'm missing something, but I don't know.
I'm open to new ideas though. If it can be pulled off reasonably well, then that's great.
@Octane That next gen streaming-only Xbox option you're talking about, is for all intents and purposes probably going to be the next gen's Xbox One S, seeing as according to that same rumor, there's also going to be a full-on console version, that should cater to the high end fans, and that will then probably become the next gen's Xbox One X.
@ThanosReXXX Maybe... I do like the current set-up of a cheaper version and a more expensive high-end version for those who want it. There's plenty of people who cannot afford the X or don't want to spend that much money on the X, and I don't think that a smaller streaming-only console is a great alternative in that case.
@Octane Well. as long as it's potent enough...
I think that streaming box should be powerful enough to run games on par with the One X, or even an above mid-range gaming PC, and the new complete console should then be a decent gaming PC in a box, with 4K minimum, and other improvements on what's already there.
But I'm keeping my expectations in check for now, seeing as it's only rumors. The only reason I made that comparison, is because they also have two choices now, with the S and the X, so it would not be too far-fetched to expect them to do that again. But until it's officially confirmed by Microsoft themselves, I'll consider it to be nothing more than the rumor that it now is.
@RunGMhx One, most iPads are more expensive than the switch, two, they don't have the dev time for smaller titles if they r working on these bigger games. I'm not saying that I don't agree with you, but Nintendo is doing the best it can at games after a year with botw and odyssey, and 2019 is looking pretty great. And if you don't have botw yet, you definetly need it. 😉
@MasterJay Thanks, I do have BOTW, didn't get the expansion as I'm not sure about the content. Have you tried the DLC?
2019 Indeed look good, but we I don't think most games a have a firm release window though. Seeing that they plan on selling close to 20 million unit by the end of March, something doesn't add up as there's no real system seller until then (yes Pokemon and Smash, but if Mario Kart, Odyssey, Splatoon and BOTW wasn't enough to sell 20 million console, I don't see those two doing it...). They must have something off there sleeve but time is getting pretty tight to announce things for the end of the year and built enough hype... As I said it's nothing against the switch, I simply wonder how the marketing dept do their things...
@RunGMhx True, if botw and odyssey can't do it, there must be something else...
They have to have something, maybe a more casual game like a sequel to Wii sports?
The DLC was pretty good and added 10 to 20 hours of gameplay. The story wasn't post Ganon, which would have been amazing, but it did explore the champions more. The new shrines are also much more challenging which is good, and the costumes you get out of it are nice, while I never really use them as you can't level them up, leaving them all quite weak. The master cycle is awesome and makes exploring fast and fun, and the dungeon and boss fight were great. If you want more challenging, but rewarding content the DLC is great
@RunGMhx People have different requirements for what is enough for them to buy a console. For some the ability to play Nintendo games is enough but others have other requirements whether it's the appearance of specific Nintendo franchises, a good mixture of 1st and 3rd party support or even things like the ability to use media apps such as Youtube and Netflix.
Nintendo may think Super Mario Party, Pokemon Let's Go and Smash Ultimate is enough for the 20 million goal.
No, seriously though - I also miss when consoles/PC were a bit more separate. Each had their own draw, almost completely different game selections, and highs/lows, but now everything is just kind of mashing together into a weird pulp.
Nowadays most stuff on PS/MS you know are going to end up on PC either simultaneously or, if you can be patient, within a year or so. OR some dude on the internet will basically (illegally) port the game to PC lol
PC still seems to be the king of meaty strategy games. That's about the only genre that is still more or less PC exclusive, although I'd love to see developers like Firaxis and Paradox Interactive bring something to the Switch.
Nintendo may think Super Mario Party, Pokemon Let's Go and Smash Ultimate is enough for the 20 million goal.
I’m no expert but I highly doubt these 3 will make it on their own. But as I said, the time is running which means we should find out soon enough.
I didn't know they had stopped selling mk8, Odyssey and botw... Doesn't Nintendo understand the draw of those games???
On a less sarcastic note, evergreens are also system sellers. You will see those advertised in the entire lifetime of the console. The evergreens are the ones that have the slow but steady sales, the new hotness will spike sales for a month or two. They are both needed.
Nintendo may think Super Mario Party, Pokemon Let's Go and Smash Ultimate is enough for the 20 million goal.
I’m no expert but I highly doubt these 3 will make it on their own. But as I said, the time is running which means we should find out soon enough.
I didn't know they had stopped selling mk8, Odyssey and botw... Doesn't Nintendo understand the draw of those games???
On a less sarcastic note, evergreens are also system sellers. You will see those advertised in the entire lifetime of the console. The evergreens are the ones that have the slow but steady sales, the new hotness will spike sales for a month or two. They are both needed.
At this point I agree to the point that every additional "system seller" might not be selling a lot of systems by itself, but adds to the thought "wow, there are so many great games on Switch, I need one".
They might be just the last straw to be entirely convinced.
Also there is Christmas. People get consoles and money-gifts to buy consoles and extra salaries at Christmas to buy consoles.
I sit on the tram and play with my Switch and Kids are excitedly telling their parents why the Switch is so cool and how much they want one. Also many friends of mine bought one having skipped last gen.
Nintendo is cool again - among adults and kids alike. <3
Never want to come down, never want to put my feet back down on the ground.
Nintendo may think Super Mario Party, Pokemon Let's Go and Smash Ultimate is enough for the 20 million goal.
I’m no expert but I highly doubt these 3 will make it on their own. But as I said, the time is running which means we should find out soon enough.
I didn't know they had stopped selling mk8, Odyssey and botw... Doesn't Nintendo understand the draw of those games???
On a less sarcastic note, evergreens are also system sellers. You will see those advertised in the entire lifetime of the console. The evergreens are the ones that have the slow but steady sales, the new hotness will spike sales for a month or two. They are both needed.
People always seem to forget that anybody buying a Switch today is most likely buying because of all the games that have already been released and not just for recent games.
It’s amazing how fixated some people are on what’s coming out in the future as if that’s the only thing that sells systems. Each big release is just looking to tip people over the edge.
The other thing this Christmas is the third party deficit is nowhere near as pronounced as it usually is with Nintendo’s systems. In years gone by with Wii U it was literally Lego and Just Dance. 3DS would get JRPGs, Monster Hunter and Lego. Funnily enough Switch has those games as well but it also has/will have Fortnite, Minecraft, FIFA, NBA, Crash Bandicoot, Paladins, Sonic, Rocket League etc. It’s unlikely to sell to those people who think gaming starts and ends with Western developed Online FPS games but otherwise it’s pretty good.
I'm a bit confused, but I'm not a numbers guy, so pardon my probably really stupid question: How are they in danger of not hitting 20 million by March if they've just reported 19.67 million? I'm likely missing some key factor, so apologies lol
Also, one other thought: never downplay Pokemon lol
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