Topic: I think the NX is _______

@Guitardude7: Yes, because every household can either have one 3DS or one Wii U.
But there are many people who have a 3DS and a non-Nintendo console, but the 3DS, in itself, does not by-and-large "eat into" the Wii U's sales, the U's competitors do. Like the Wii and DS, you could have it so if you have one you're very likely to have the other.

This.

@Guitardude7: I actually do. That's why I'm arguing with you, because I think you're wrong. I do believe I know better than you, otherwise I wouldn't bother arguing.

You can always tell when someone has lost an argument, when they're saying "everyone's opinion is equal, duuude, just chill ooouut". I'm not worked up, I'm just trying to get my point across and making sure you actually understand what I'm saying.

@Bowser908:
Yes I do agree if nintendo had more nintendo style games the system might of sold more and that was one reason why the wii u sold so poorly was lack of games and diversity of games.

I consider a casual as someone who isnt dedicated to gaming and doesn't follow the industry while a gamer games very often and is aware of the gaming industry. Next for the 3DS the situation is very different. Pokemon fan base are not all nintendo fans....here what I mean. I myself am a pokemon veteran and I know ALOT of pokemon fans didnt even get a 3ds until pokemon X & Y.(also pokemon is not a casual game....there has been a study showing the majority of X & Y players in japan were college aged people.)

http://playeressence.com/japanese-study-shows-majority-pokemo...

The 3Ds is also different as it was lunched early 2011......before The real smartphone gaming boom happened in 2012 with the launch of the iphone 5. Again the next thing is casuals like our parents want something quick and easy and a wii U honestly isnt quick and easy when you can have a fast and addicting game like candy crush or heartstone...doodlejump. Casuals like children mostly got a handheld to keep them busy but now we see 10 year olds have iphones and such so why would parents need to go buy a console when all the games they want are easily on their phone/tablet.(Also most kids now just play minecraft all day or 5NAF...)

casuals only wanted a Wii and Ds for games like wii fit and brain age because those were the cheapest places to get those experiences and at the time it seemed very revolutionary but now you can get brain age knock offs on the app stores....you can get exercise type stuff on you iphone especially with the new health app. Most casuals anyway still have and use their original wii and see no reason to upgrade.

@Sleepingmudkip: But the difference is, there are still experiences on Nintendo systems, marketed correctly, that could reel in casuals. Phones are not ideal for games, but a 3DS is. Nintendo has to show them that. The phone and tablet gaming craze is bound to die eventually, and when it does, the App Store will dry up and most mobile developers will die. And Nintendo will be there selling to the casuals they lost before to the iPhone.
The DS or Wii would have never sold well had they not correctly marketed it, and it mostly comes down to marketing. The rest you said is more or less right. I wonder if the study is biased if it was done shortly after X&Y were released, because kids are not likely to buy games on launch day. Kids are still the main audience for Pokemon, because, however much strategy you need in the high levels, the basic campaign can be beaten easily by an 8 year old.

_{I suggest we keep the discussion constructive -Lz}

@Bowser908: I am trying to say that casuals do not want a dedicated console anymore. They don't care about the 3DS, they don't care about a new console. They want a simple easy device that they can multitask with is what I am saying and a smartphone gives them that. Mobile gaming will never go away, each iphone sells more then the last, more and more people are getting smartphones to text and to check social media....if they are bored they are not going to have a bulky 3ds in their pockets, they are going to have the newest iphone. Convenience will in most cases always out beat quality.

also you need to play more dedicated mobile game because for ever 500 garbage apps there are a few really good mobile games and dont forget nintendo making mobile games too

@Sleepingmudkip: Hmm... I guess so. I agree.

I've tried to figure out what the NX is, but I don't think I have the slightest idea. To me, the details given by Nintendo are too vague. I'm pretty sure that it's at least a console in some way though, since the Wii U hasn't sold well. Nintendo probably wants a console that will sell well out on the market. I just hope there is a cool concept to it. That's my two cents.

If Nintendo made the NX with a standard controller, what would you want to see from the NX that would give you the "wow" factor? I'm going to ponder over this as well.

@TylerTheCreator: seeing a metroid game would be the Wow factor to me....I am tired of a wow factor on hardware but no wow factor on the software side....games is what the NX needs the most

@Sleepingmudkip: I think a Metroid game with today's graphics and physics would impress a lot of people. That's a good idea.

I just wonder what can you do with a standard controller that you can't do with the GamePad? The GamePad doesn't make the Wii U difficult to develop for, the system specs/architecture do that. Plenty of games just have the GamePad screen mirror the TV screen, Donkey Kong even disabled the GamePad screen. So I don't think a standard controller is needed when you have the GamePad, but making motion controllers more comparable to standard controllers could benefit them.

You are contradicting yourself. You say new hardware brings new changes in software, but then you assert that they shouldn't put features in if current games don't demand them. Many systems tried the analog stick before the N64, it just took that long to figure out a way to make it work. Just because they couldn't figure out how to put a second analog stick on the Wii Remote doesn't mean they never will. The technology could change, the market interests could change, or the staff designing it could change.

And the small upgrades bring with them new possibilities with software, however small.

@TylerTheCreator: Imagine metroid with the unreal engine 4....so beautiful

@DefHalan: Okay, you do have a good point that my proposed Hybrid system(s) may alienate more conservative consumers. But still, everything seems lined up for some common Nintendo OS, even if it doesn't mean a unified library. The biggest clue is that a large majority of Wii U and Nintendo 3DS games are a copy-and-paste sequel to each. Why would they have spent so much time on such similar games if they were not, at one point, intended to be a connected experience? That, and the development merging. The biggest problem about this unified OS is that there is a very fine line between what is perceived as good value to the consumer, and what is seen as cheap and superficial. Even if Nintendo got this right, there would still be a lot of hate against Nintendo, because Nintendo is unfortunately just one of those brands that gets more hate then it deserves.

Still, the current situation is not working well for Nintendo, where with the primary exception of Smash, one version of similar games vastly outsells the other. I just don't see the point in developing what appear to most consumers as two nearly identical games. If I have MK 7 I don't want MK 8. If I have Hyrule warriors U I don't need HW legends. With Nintendo's current software marketing, not only does this create an immense probability that 50% games are likely to be rather unsuccessful compared to the other 50%, but also that half of the company's resources are spent on what are "clones" to the consumer. Meanwhile, because the lack of heavily profitable games, and with so much development being spent on two nearly identical games, libraries for both individual consoles feel quite small. One thing is for sure, this system of creating two very similar games is not doing well for Nintendo OR the consumer. Hopefully a unified OS means that development is spent on one game at a time instead of two separate projects, which would mean that not only would they have to make half of the games they do now, but each game would, theoretically, sell twice as much, making one individual games 4 times more profitable to Nintendo than it is now.

@DefHalan: Honestly, the biggest problem I see with the Gamepad is that in a 299 dollar Wii U bundle we have a gamepad that easily costs 80 dollars to manufacture. Probably more, when consider that in one controller, you get -
A Massive Touchscreen ($20-40)
A Potentiometer ($1-$5)
A Microphone ($.25-$1)
Two large rumble motors ($.50-$2)
A Universal Remote ($2-$10)
An auxillary jack ($,10-$2, depending on audio fidelity)
A Wii motion bar (My guess is as good as yours. $2?)
An NFC scanner ($2-$5)
A gigantic rechargeable battery ($10, the battery design is pretty uncoventional for such a small device)
A system ram board powerful enough that there is only a single 60th of a second of delay on the LCD screen (Geez. as much as $40 considering how much the controller has to run)
Standard controller fare such as analog sticks and buttons ($1-$5)
Speakers ($2)
And what, like 3 cameras ($10-$20)
If a "Normal" controller cost about Fifteen dollars to make and the Gamepad costs somewhere from 80-100 dollars, that means, in the standard system bundle, Nintendo could have either -
Added a LOT more hard disk memory. 25 gigs of usable memory on anything other than an Ipod touch is complete garbage.
They could have added a SECOND free game right from launch. How cool would it be to not pay 60 dollars to play lousy NSMBU?
A Second standard controller, because why not
Have the system retail for fifty dollars less, making it more enticing compared to the $399 PS4 and the $499 Xbox one
Or best of all, just make the system 60-80 dollars better so it wouldn't have been obsolete from the beginning and we wouldn't even be having this thread yet.

People think NX can somehow be on par with PS4, no way. Maybe half an XB1 at best. Iwata said the days of $300 consoles and $200 handhelds are over. I'm expecting $199 NX Console and $129-$149 handheld in 2016 or early 2017.

Since it seems AMD won the contract and not PowerVR (which could have provided a mobile 1.6TFlop GPU) I'm going to say Quad-core ARM 1Ghz, 1GB RAM and 5.5 inch freeform screen with buttons in it @480p in the handheld. 8-core ARM @2Ghz or more in console, 4GB RAM of DDR3 if Nintendo is cheap and maybe 1-2GB DDR5 for video, 25GB Wii U discs, 120GB SSD.

If Nintendo wants to spend a little bit more, putting HBM RAM in both would work wonders. Just 4GB of HBM in the console would put it above PS4, 2GB would suffice. 512MB or 1GB in the handheld would also do good too. 1GB of HBM has 128GB/s, more than Xbox One and below PS4 BTW. They could use the HBM pool for both system and video RAM.

The ARM CPU will assure cross platform development is easy and future-proof. I hope they choose HBM memory but they'll likely go with a DDR3/DDR5 combo.

I am hoping for a full 1080p remake of Mario 64 to go along with Sep 2016's 20th anniversary

@AlternateButtons: The hybrid you and others may be imagining won't be it. I would imagine Nintendo will ship an Apple TV like console with the handheld's guts, except maybe 2 more cores and a bit more RAM to run 1080p, and they will have standard game cards that insert into both. Develop one version of the game for two platforms

One scenario I've wondered about, what about letting other companies make NX?

Nintendo could make their own but a la MS with Windows (not that MS makes their own computers that is) license their OS and game card slot out for a small fee. So Asus, Dell, Samsung could add Nintendo game playback to their tablets, phones, set top boxes for a small fee. Users would need to buy a controller,etc. Or Nintendo could simply make profit off getting these companies to pay $10-$20 per controller to bundle with their versions of the hardware, either way Nintendo would get more software sales.