Topic: I honestly think its too early for a new era console beyond Switch

@SwitchForce I assume BOTW 2 is out before the holidays, after all their other big releases, maybe likely to help boost OLED sales? What about Splat 3? For such a big game in late summer, why give them only 1 yr left on the Switch? Most people started playing Splat 2, a yr and a half after its release and with rumors of a MK9 announcement this yr who knows. I just hope a Metroid Prime 4 is out mid next year too and 1 more Pokemon gen. I also assume console power is not even something Nintendo cares about. I think they might just want to be on platforms at this point. PC/phone.

Now with that maybe happening, they can stop worrying about trying to match power of other platforms and just make content.

Same comment as always...

The vast majority of people choose to buy a console because it offers games they want to play and an image that appeals to them. Not because it's the most powerful machine out there. This has been a constant in video game history with platforms like the PlayStation, Wii and Game Boy, and the Switch is very much in the same zone.

Nintendo hasn't bothered playing catch-up with other people's hardware since 2006. That just isn't how they roll. They're about Gunpei Yokoi's philosophy of pushing cheap, often outdated hardware to the limit and bringing people to it using games, and experiences, that they can't get anywhere else. I know that's why I own a Switch, and that's why I own all the other Nintendo hardware I do.

A Switch 2 is definitely coming at some point, but it will happen on Nintendo's time. Not in response to what everyone else's hardware is doing, not based on how many years Switch has been a current product. And when it does, it still won't be the most powerful console ever, and some people will still be unhappy about that. But Nintendo are always gonna do Nintendo.

@Rosalinho Thanks for mentioning the Gunpei Yokoi thing. Not many people know why Nintendo is behind on tech.

What a ludicrous statement that only NintenDoomed fandom would make. The Switch in March 2017 and 2019 was ahead of it's time in tech implementations and yet we still have people thinking they know more. That just goes to show how regressive their thinking is. All those other current try to vive for Switch crown don't give you wifi, cart, Digital, SD storage in on factor designs-they made the Switch to be a Hybrid and gaming on the go, they don't need wasted Browser when people whom buy Switch but to play games for the most part. If you want browsing use your Smart Phone or Computer or Chromecast or other streaming devices. People have a skewed timeline based on littel to not much else when spewing they know Best for Nintendo and when they should release. Their hardware isn't about GPU power but getting more people to use it. That's how you survive-cathering to the hardcore only goes so far. Games aren't just PVP but many moving parts - the more you can get the better your long end game goal is. Pushing a New Switch for BOTW2 in 2022 as mentioned on the Game Reviews Showcase tells you they are plans and are going forward. And using the Switch format is a winning formula for them and that is what it will remain. Might be bigger like with the OLED but neverless will be Switch format.

@SwitchForce I understand what u mean. U took my statement out of context. I should have said "behind on modern competition". Sorry, didn't mean to make you mad at me or call me stupid. I know you want them to release a new console next yr but I still predict that Nintendo will release their new console or service 3 yrs from now.

@Vivianeat Crazy as it may be, I could see a Nintendo mobile device of some sort in the far future. Or at the very least a controller peripheral to connect to your phone. They want to retain some control over the hardware to get the most out of their games so I can't see them settling for competing hardware capabilities and putting their games on it. At the very least they'll want their games to use custom controllers/accessories to run. Perhaps in addition to facilitating the hybrid nature of the Switch, Joycons are also an experiment in adding hardware peripherals to mobile devices and we could see similar, Joycon-like peripherals that could attach to phones if there comes a time where there's no longer a market for dedicated gaming consoles and they need to sell their games on more generalized PCs and mobile devices. I don't think that's what the Switch 2 is, but they could be thinking ahead for that possibility.

@SwitchForce I think by "tech" they mean "specs". Nintendo never goes for the high end specs because they're too expensive. They do push gaming forward in other ways with the cheaper hardware, and the Switch is a good example, but sadly most of the industry is fixated on "progress" = "higher quality graphics and processing".

I agree. A lot of the people buying Switch's, and contributing to its exploding popularity in recent years, care nothing about the kinds of things posters on this forum go on about. They don't care about the technological gap between the Switch and the Playstation. They don't care about third party support, frames per second, how long the Switch has been out, how long console cycles tends to be. They might be on the Nintendo side in the war between design quality and cutting-edge tech specs but they aren't aware of it. If Nintendo releases a new console a year or two years after these people bought a Switch, they won't buy that console. New console sales numbers will look terrible. That console will get a bad reputation and it will spiral into oblivion. Nintendo would be smart to keep supporting the Switch for now, wait for the large cohort of recent customers to get their fill and become aware of the console's age, then new Switch, new AC, new MK.

If that is the case then I can see that's case. But considering Switch Portable nature that is also part of the biggest factor it's growing popularity and sales figures. They do care about tech it's they will not try to beat M$ and P$ at chipset counts. The format of the Switch hardware doesn't lend itself to be able to do that. It's bound by physical hardware design and cooling factor will never be able to do what a coffee Console table can do or output that is asking too much. What Switch can do is give itself better GPU when you play Portable that it's portable screen has good graphics performance and when Dock that it can push out 4k/DLSS. Trying to Achieve True 4K is next to impossible for Switch or either M$/P$ because the cooling factor for those two consoles would never allow it to achieve the levels of a PC Gaming/Laptop Rig. Let's be honest here Xbox/PSX can't and will never achieve or beat a PC Gaming Desktop/Laptop head to head regardless of what people may want to say. That system is PURE gaming because the GPU can be SLI/CF to blow those consoles out of the water at 4K/Dual/Quad screeens gaming and even those have issue at 60fps 144 output so don't tell me those Xbox/PSx can pump out graphics that can best a Dedicated Pure gaming PC system.

Here's the thing about people who seem insistent on no new hardware because they just got one and it still seems fresh. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade. You were happy to jump into the Switch late in its cycle, probably a sensible move given consoles of the past. So why not just do that again for the next cycle if that works for you?

On the other side, for the people who want new hardware sooner rather than later are wanting it for a reason. The Switch is 5 years old, as someone who brought it at launch? At the very least my Switch physically has seen better days. The screen on the RHS is lifting a bit, there are a few light scratches from the dock and some slight wear under where my thumb extends past the buttons. Trivial cosmetic stuff, not something I'd replace it for on its own but with a significant hardware refresh I probably would

Also I don't just game on the Switch, I have a PC connected to my TV and a laptop for semi-portable gaming. The PC I had when the Switch launched was significantly less capable, the TV I had when the Switch launched was smaller, 1080p and didn't have any kind of HDR. The laptop I had when the Switch launched was.... not really usable. So over time the gap between what the Switch can output and the sort of experiences I could get on other hardware has grown substantially. That's not to say I don't see any value in the Switch anymore, I definitely do, it's just that over time the equation changes

And I suspect a lot of people who got the Switch on day 1 are in a similar position. Maybe you were super early to the party on the Switch but also had a PS3 at the time only later picking up a PS4. Maybe you've grabbed one of those handheld PC devices. Hell, maybe you haven't got anything new but are currently considering the Steam Deck as an upgrade path. Whatever it is, the Switch doesn't have any kind of higher spec offering right now. Your only options if you want that are not from Nintendo. Which needless to say isn't the best position for Nintendo to be in

To be fair, technically the rumble on the Switch is pretty good. It's just that the XBOne has traditional and more powerful rumble under your palms and "HD rumble" under the triggers. Which is only enhanced further by the resistance on the analogue triggers.

@NeonPizza
Ahh, fair call. Yeah I think it probably has more to do with the mass than anything else. The rumble on the Pro Controller is inside the grips so they're a fair way away from your hand. There's also a lot of mass between them and your fingers which is the most sensitive part of your hand. The Joycon rumble is in a similar location but because of the size they're basically just jammed up right against the plastic in the ends

But yeah, in terms of tech? They're the same. It's just that haptics don't really have as much power as a traditional rumble and your fingers are the most sensitive part. Which is why the Switch Pro Controller isn't nearly as good as the JoyCon or the XBOne controller. I personally think the XBOne controller is overall the best controller followed by the Wii U Pro controller then Switch Pro. But for rumble alone Probably JoyCons, XBOne, Switch Pro (I have no opinion of Sony's controllers)

@Purgatorium I agree with you. If Nintendo let what the gaming public thought or felt threatened by "cutting edge" technology, they would or could be in a undesirable position today. Think about when in the 90's Sega, Panasonic, NEC, etc... rushing to come up with cd technology before it really was ready instead of just relying on what they had. Sega, had they just relied on the Genesis itself for another year would have been in a better position. Nintendo doesn't seem to go by the ridiculous "5 yr cycle", at least not all the time...cutting the Switch out now would be a terrible move. I never had a problem with the systems power. I don't focus on that crap anyway. I mean here's something for you. Just the profit on Mario Kart 8 is enough to fuel there R&D team for the next (insert # of years here). So why would they jump ship and burn those bridges. It would be an absolute sledgehammer to PS and Xbox or I really should say, what would ensure Nintendo staying on top is to have the next Switch be backwards compatible. That would be the selling point for me! (That and if they put Ys 1 on it)! Hehehe. I'd live to see that game on Switch. Just throwing that out there!

I am going to be honest with you everyone thinks the switch will die in 2025 or something witch I don't agree with and I think this console will be the first console to last for more than 10 years so we are nowhere near the mid or endpoint of this console we have still got more than 5 years to go.

Also I do get really mad bout this but seriously Nintendo isn't competitive against the console market. They just want to appeal to everyone so if they won't be releasing another console any time soon.

I expect a new/upgraded Nintendo console in 2023 because the last two Switch models came out at 2 year intervals and it ties in with Nvidia's Tegra release schedule. I also believe Nintendo when they said the Switch was in the middle of it's life-cycle last year, and I expect they will carry on selling and current gen Switch models for 2-3 years after the new/upgrade console comes out, and supporting with new games as well. Just like they did with the 2DS and 2DS XL after the Switch came out.

Remember middle is talking about current Switch model hardware nothing related to what's coming - as that will not be using v2 hardware/chipsets as those will be update on the replacement Switch. Why people keep talking as thought they will use v2 hardware/chipset in a higher model Switch that will come out is beyond anyone guesses. Most if not all companies that are coming with new models already secured the inventory for the first run of the production because that's what you do. You don't wake up one morning and said let's make a new Switch. That was already in development after the current Switch v1, v2, and OLED model were in production. Everyone seems to think it just popped up one day but R&D doesn't work this way and they keep turning to develop newer hardware and chipsets to go with them. Nvidia and other sources most likely were contact and contracts made long before the pandemic happened as companies always have to be sure they have a source and supply when it comes especially for Game Console makes because you have to have a secure development phase not doing so is giving yourself Foot and Mouth Disease where your caught with your pants down. I expect to hear a New Switch Model on release of BOTW2 in 2022 so would could expect a surprise release coming. The longer they wait the harder it will be for them to get a leg up on Xbox/PS5 releases games and more consoles. So if they want more buyers they would be prudent to get a hardware out in 2022.

I wouldn't mind if they ported all their games to PC.

Man we have Troll that a mom can love here.

While a pretty unrealistic desire, it hardly comes across as trolling.

Dude's been a member on this site half a decade longer than you have. Any genuine troll wouldn't have stuck around this long.

I'm not a troll, I just would like to be able to play Nintendo games with more details, resolution and a better framerate. Sony is porting their games over, so I don't see why Nintendo couldn't do the same. Even though it's very unlikely.

@TochTendo99

Even if the Switch lifecycle went beyond 10 years it wouldn't be the first platform to do it.

Sony was producing PS2 consoles until 2013, shortly before the PS4 launched.
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