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Ralizah

@darkfenrir It's a bit more noticeable when you examine the screenshots on a large TV, but it's never the case with a game like Xenoblade 2 where it looks like there's some huge performance gulf. Docked is a little sharper in spots, but it's still a very pretty looking handheld game.

S-E dun good.

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Ralizah

The Switch version holds up really, really well to the PS4 version. It's missing some of the lighting in the environments, and the foliage is patchier on Switch, but, otherwise it's extremely similar.

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Dezzy

Ralizah wrote:

but it's never the case with a game like Xenoblade 2 where it looks like there's some huge performance gulf. Docked is a little sharper in spots, but it's still a very pretty looking handheld game.

I never noticed that supposed performance difference on Xenoblade 2 at all. I dunno why. Some games I tend to notice these things, others I don't.
Like the Breath of the Wild framerate problems really annoyed me.

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Ralizah

@Dezzy That's funny. BotW's framerate issues were so localized and short-lived that I never gave them a second thought, even during launch.

I mean, if the whole game dropped like Korok Forest used to, I might have issues, but it never disrupted my gameplay too much.

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NEStalgia

I can't help but think that comparison was designed to make Switch look bad. The gamma curve is radically different, and the Switch one is set entirely wrong, making everything look dark, contrasty, and "vintage" next to the bright and detailed PS4 version.

Aside, technical, visually, I much prefer the lighting and foliage detail on the PS4 version. Since I already own that version I'd really be tempted to just play i there...but considering the Switch version has so much more actual content it's still a no brainer to pick the complete but less perfect visual version versus the very incomplete but somewhat prettier version.

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Ralizah

NEStalgia wrote:

I can't help but think that comparison was designed to make Switch look bad. The gamma curve is radically different, and the Switch one is set entirely wrong, making everything look dark, contrasty, and "vintage" next to the bright and detailed PS4 version.

Aside, technical, visually, I much prefer the lighting and foliage detail on the PS4 version. Since I already own that version I'd really be tempted to just play i there...but considering the Switch version has so much more actual content it's still a no brainer to pick the complete but less perfect visual version versus the very incomplete but somewhat prettier version.

Well, of course it looks better on PS4. It's a far more powerful system.

Although that version is probably the least appealing one to me on the market. For me, the big choice was DQXI S for extra content + portability, or the PC version for the improved framerate and even nicer visuals (it also has an orchestrated music mod, which gives it even more of a leg up over the PS4 release and its dinky MIDI tracks).

All I needed DQXI S to do was be close enough to the PS4 version to not feel like I was playing an inferior experience, and it accomplishes that in spades, IMO. I can live with a darker image, worse lighting, and sparser foliage if it means getting all the extra benefits that come with the Switch release.

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Paper Mario: The Origami King (Switch)

NEStalgia

@Ralizah I forgot there even was a PC version. Yeah, there's that. Wait, how did PC get an orchestrated music mod if the orchestrated music wasn't made until a Switch game that's not out yet? Or is it just some random small orchestra doing a cover?

Though I already own the PS4 version so that one makes more sense to compare. And yeah PS4 (pro)....I do wish I had the better graphics for it (I played the intro into the first town on there already.) But the Switch version just has more content (and the 16 bit mode, which, I doubt I'll use it much, but it's fun all the same. I wish you could toggle on the fly, but I understand why you can't.)

The worse lighting and sparser foliage are a negative to me, but I don't think the darker image is legit. I think that's just a bad comparison video, either purposefully to make Switch look worse, or just because it's an amateur comparison not on the level of DF calibration skills. No way SE actually messed with the gamma that badly - it doesn't look "worse than PS4", it looks "bad" as in "broken on the gamma curve" - which I doubt is how the retail game actually looks. The bad calibration in the video would obscure detail as well. I haven't checked the demo, but I definitely doubt it really looks like that.

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Quarth

I think the game looks really good on Switch. Really looking forward to the full release.

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Ralizah

@NEStalgia The orchestrated music, as far as I'm aware, is always composed first, and then the synthesized music is inserted into the game based on that. The lack of orchestration in the games apparently serves as an incentive for people to go see the concerts.

Anyway, the modders said they took the original orchestrated suite and fixed it so that it fits into the game properly.

I don't think it looks bad at all, but the darker image is absolutely legit. You can go download the demo and confirm for yourself. That's what the game looks like.

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DOOM 3: BFG Edition (PC)

Paper Mario: The Origami King (Switch)

NEStalgia

@Ralizah Huh, interesting. That's weird rationale, but does suite S-E. I always thought it was about the game's obvious homages to it's past (the 8-bit sound effects etc inclusive.)

Where did the modders get the suite then? Or did they just take the soundtrack or a bootleg of a concert?

Eewww, if that bad gamma is legit, not sure what S-E did. Does it have an "adjust this slider until you barely see both images" adjustment screen or something in the settings? I mean it doesn't look like they botched the graphics, it just looks like they set the curve wrong. That feels patch-worthy to include a slider if one doesn't exist.

EDIT: Actually I take that back, watching it again there are other locations where it seems the other way around. Switch got the proper curve and PS4 got the botched one. Maybe they didn't set it wrong one one platform, maybe it's just totally messed up from the start.

At first it was reminding me of what happened in the PS3/360 era when games on PS3 would have bad gamma curves because 360 had a weird non-standard curve, but was the lead platform for most multiplats and companies didn't correct for Sony's standard curve.

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RR529

@NEStalgia, from what I understand, SE doesn't actually own DQ's music.

Somehow, the composer was able to get the rights all to himself, and he rarely let's SE use the orchestrated soundtracks so the fans will be more likely to shell out for the concerts & CDs, which he exclusively profits from. It's just that, like Toriyama's art style, his music is so synonymous with the series that SE wouldn't dare go with anything else.

I remember reading an article or two on it over on Digitally Downloaded some time ago.

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NEStalgia

@RR529 That's messed up! Fascinating, but messed up! That explains a lot. It really wouldn't be the same without his music. Personally I think of the music as more iconic than Toriyama's art (for this series). Plus the dialogue writing style is uniquely childishly-innocent yet serious in just the right balance.

That makes me wonder why he allowed it on Switch....including orchestrated forms of prior games.

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RR529

@NEStalgia, I guess SE simply paid him a lot, lol.

But yeah, despite his talent he's apparently a pretty polarizing figure in Japan, as he's openly been on record criticizing the Japanese government on apologizing for some of the things it did during WWII (such as the recent developments of them recognizing the Korean "comfort women" it held during the war).

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Ryu_Niiyama

Yeah I can't imagine a DQ game without that opening. You hear those horns and you know something amazing is about to happen.

I don't know what it is about DQ. It still feels like a jrpg from the late 90's (environment is very corridor based, interactions are funneled to certain objects) and yet I adore it in a way that I just can't with more free/open game franchises like Assassins' creed (even with the entries that I love the most I would still pick DQ all day). It's like comfort food; never really changes but always fills you up.

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@RR529 Not a bad budget for a game that was silenced "for adult reasons" for a year Also interesting about his public personality. I don't even know his name without checking the credits, but I sure know his music!

@Ryu_Niiyama Comfort food is the best way to describe it. Even the "victory" and "level up" sounds are almost obnoxiously retro and more delightful for it. The theme music sounds a mixture of an Austrian WWI march and a Strauss waltz. Immediately familiar, inspiring, yet playful. The dialogue is very unique. It's at the same time Peanuts-esque and deadly serious. I don't know how they've kept the peculiar balance going so consistently without cracking.

I'm currently steeping in DQB2 and loving every single morsel of it.

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Ryu_Niiyama

@NEStalgia I have a habit of saying "Victoly" over some of the bad translations in the past whenever I see "Victory" pop up. I may hate the current localization but I still can't walk away. (I just buy them in jpn to play and english to support my region) I think it's because they have kept certain pillars in the franchise and that shows the game's Enix roots versus squaresoft. I think the day that Yuji Horii retires is the day I stop playing DQ. He sets up a very specific style of scenario that doesn't feel over the top the way Old School FF did (imo of course) but is still very epic and focused on saving the world. I also like that sense of camaraderie; modern rpgs and wrpgs in general, like to show all the nuance and ugliness of humanity, nobody gets along, everybody has an agenda...and I'm like "I live that, I know humanity sucks. Can we just have a story where we stand together...where the evil isn't human intentions?" so maybe that is part of the reason that DQ sticks with me. You have bad people sure, but the overall tone of the world is positive but it is being eroded by the big bad that you will defeat by the game's end.

It's like why I can go back and watch Disney movies from my child hood. Half of them I don't agree with or think are asinine if I analyze the plot, but they are such feel good and iconic movies that I can numb that for a little while. DQ feels like that.

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@Ryu_Niiyama Victoly, haha! I forgot that one!

When you combine it with the art style i have a habit of thinking of all the characters as young children, almost like they're all playing pretend. It's almost a school play or something.

There's a simplicity "we all live in perfect harmony, but then bad monsters poison the world and things get dark" (meanwhile cheery music is still playing and people are fussing about their dinners...)

Yet when it goes dark, it goes very dark...plagues, and famines, surprisingly graphic-ish depictions of entire towns and families being ripped apart and everyone dying, and the destruction of everything in places that are exceedingly desolate and hopeless. And yet it still all has the happy tone of a school play at some level where you know it'll all be find and your team will win through sheer cheeriness.

And yet I always find myself gripped by the mystery!

It's such a unique mix that just doesn't exist anywhere else at all. I mean there's nothing remotely similar in feel and tone.

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Well, I've finished the demo now....

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Ryu_Niiyama

@NEStalgia You know I hadn't considered them as children but I was just thinking yesterday as I looked at the demo for XI (and started thinking about builders/builders 2) I noted that it reminded me of Dragonball (not Z or GT or whatever else is out/won't die) and the lighthearted but still very serious tone of that show. Dragonball and DQ are the only Toriyama works that I enjoy (I actively detest Z and beyond mainly because it takes itself too seriously.) So I think we get similar feelings from the artstyle.

Agreed, DQ is it's own breed. I'm glad that it survived the merger especially since it feels like the only thing from Enix that did.

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NEStalgia

@Ryu_Niiyama Yeah, while I don't really follow much anime in general, I know that DBZ is just gross... The fighting games are great... but the actual art and "feel "of the IP is just pretty annoying. I had never realized DQ was the same artist, actually, until recently. Looking at original Dragon Ball, I now see the resemblance. I always compared to DBZ and thought everyone was nuts. DQ, Blue Dragon, Chrono Trigger style, I love. DBZ...definitely not. It reminds me of those 90's action flicks for tweens, cartoons from the original TMNT era and so on. But the bad ones....

In hindsight, now that I think about it Chrono had a very similar feel to the characters and dialogue as DQ in terms of that childlike innocence, yet heavy somehow at the same time. No wonder I loved it. I didn't know about DQ back then.

Well, there wasn't much from Enix that was terribly noteworthy outside DQ I suppose...so that's probably really the expected outcome.

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