@Matt_Barber
Ok… I don’t know, still seems weird to me that these aren’t industry standard if the cost really isn’t all that different when mass produced?
@rallydefault There are plenty of better solutions to a lot of things that aren't widely adopted because corporations can save themselves a few cents. I don't think it's that much of a surprise.
Leaving aside Sega's use of them going nowhere because they exited the console market soon after, the Hall effect stick revival only started in about 2022, first as upgrade kits and with controllers and handhelds only hitting the market during 2023.
Neither Sony nor Microsoft have launched an entirely new console since then, so the Switch 2 would have been the first major system where it was an option for the standard controllers. Time will tell whether that was a missed opportunity.
Primarily its cost, even with vast volume discounts, a line has to be drawn somewhere. Imagine if Switch 2 sells as well as the OG Switch, 150 million systems, each requiring 2 sticks, that could either cost them around 4 million dollars total for traditional sticks, or somewhere in the region of 200 million dollars for Hall Effect. There’s probably not a number cruncher in Nintendo who would agree to the added cost of Hall Effect sticks based on that alone.
And that’s assuming Nintendo would get the kind of volume discount I would expect them to, obviously those numbers are approximate, but shouldn’t be too far off the mark.
In the UK, Argos are doing £10 off an order above £60 if you sign up for their newsletter. So you can preorder a game or pro controller etc. for £10 off:
All in all I wish I was optimistic about it, but unfortunately the US company business model of giving least quality for max units sold is now a global standard. Nobody tries to be the best anymore, since they are extremely short sighted. Building a brand takes decades, selling "whatever" for a quick buck is, well, quick. Things were different in the golden age of gaming.
@rallydefault you are assuming that the price is coming from the quality, and that any upgrade would make N up the price. This is simply not the case, and companies know how to count, I assure you. Making quality product would just give them a bit less money per unit.
@Reprise I am indeed assuming, but at this point, is it a surprise that I am suspicious of Nintendo? They didn't stop selling drifting joycons, and nobody mentioned that they were fixed during the presentation, and this is the first thing they should have clarified.
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and nobody mentioned that they were fixed during the presentation, and this is the first thing they should have clarified.
By all means be suspicious, but they wouldn't ever come out in the middle of a Direct or any kind of press event and say they have fixed drift, admitting there was a fundamental flaw with a previous model. We know it exists and they know it exists, but they aren't going to acknowledge it. It's just not something a company would do. No company wants to draw attention to or admit such a major problem existed on a product.
I am personally optimistic, not because I believe Nintendo are an incredibly ethical company who care about delivering the best for their customers above anything else, but just simply because they would have to be incredibly stupid not to attempt to resolve it and it would save them money in the longrun. It would be a PR disaster if it happened again. Sure, it wouldn't be one that hit pre-launch, but if 6 months in people start complaining about it, the media will pick up on it and there is no way people will be as forgiving this time. Redesigning the sticks from the ground up also suggests they were trying to resolve it. If they wanted to be cheap and didn't want to fix it, they would have just reused the exact same sticks and design.
It pains me to see consumers defend multibillion dollar companies.
We are past the age where the company wants to see people being happy with their products.
They only want to see the profits chart go up. They want to see people consume their product because of the brand name alone not the quality that it brought in the past.
And the worst part? Those people are so many and that is the only reason most big companies continue to exist.
@Princess_Lilly
That's pretty much what I mean. You're using lots of hyperbole (having to replace JoyCon every 6 months), you're dissing the LCD when every person who's actually tried it says it's awesome, and you're jumping to some big conclusions (game prices).
You've gone off the deep end, unfortunately. I don't take people seriously when they fill their posts with all that sensationalized stuff.
@rallydefault its just my manner of speech, dont worry about it. And yes I am speculatingN I mean at this point what do we know? Next to nothing. I just noticed some pretty ominous trends after the launch, which - let's be honest- left people with a sour taste in their mouths
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@Zuljaras The problem of corporations is a topic for a series of books, if not more. I kinda hoped the rot would stay with US corporations only, but literally every bigger company follows the same pattern. It's not like I don't want them to succeed, I just don't want to get the least amount of quality "passable". And it goes for all companies, not only Nintendo.
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It pains me to see consumers defend multibillion dollar companies.
So you shouldn't buy Apple iPhone since they are multibillion dollar company? So if you buy iPhone your supporting their ideas and corporate managements.
They only want to see the profits chart go up. They want to see people consume their product because of the brand name alone not the quality that it brought in the past.
@Zuljaras The problem of corporations is a topic for a series of books, if not more. I kinda hoped the rot would stay with US corporations only, but literally every bigger company follows the same pattern.
It's not like I don't want them to succeed, I just don't want to get the least amount of quality "passable". And it goes for all companies, not only Nintendo.
@Jester676 EVERY company should NOT be shielded from criticism. They provide goods and services to the users.
That includes Apple, Nintendo, Ubisoft, Microsoft and EVERY other big company.
Also, criticism =/= go down in flames.
For example, I am really not happy with Gamefreak drop in quality in their recent Pokemon titles. Yet they are selling well on the brand name alone. That is giving them the confidence to not care about the quality and continue to push for quantity.
People are free to buy and support whatever they like, but no one should be immune to criticism.
Another example is that I am appalled of the Switch 1 JoyCons and their drift issues and I am pretty careful with all of my gaming systems. The ONLY controllers that ever game me that issue. The good thing is that the replacement with the 3rd party sticks with the hall effect was easy and the drifting was not an issue since then
@Zuljaras One has to be detail whom and what issue they are making blanked statements about - this only helps the Corporation to hide behind this blanked statements.
@Princess_Lilly
It's whatever. I just have to wonder, though: Do you people ever get exhausted from being up in arms over everything? From always predicting everything is gonna take the worst possible path?
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