Topic: Nintendo Switch 2

Eh I just ordered ff7 on Amazon for $40. Not a bad deal, just not crazy about it being a keycard

@Matt_Barber
That's not really true though. I can basically run all their games on Steamdeck, and it's not even as powerful as a Switch 2.

But even if they stopped bringing games to PC, they've already dumped the bulk of their library that matters. It'll be another 10 years before they even begin to build up an actual compelling exclusive library again, and that's assuming they quit porting to PC full stop. Whether it's The Last of Us, Uncharted, God of War, Spiderman, Days Gone, Ghosts of, Horizon, etc, all these are on Steam already.

Not that it matters. I don't think PS has ever really sold on the power of their exclusives. And the evidence is the fact their sales didn't slow by porting them to other platforms. I mean they certainly help to some extent but, their consoles sell based on big mass-appeal multiplats with shiny graphics. And there's always gonna be a market for that in a relatively lower cost easy-to-use console format.

@Grumblevolcano
2024 wasn't that long ago. I wouldn't rule it out. But it may be they just don't see it as financially viable. Their big blockbusters did well at first but the sequels they ported struggled to even crack a million. How well would a game that didn't even cross 2m in the first place do? It could be they don't see the juice as being worth the squeeze.

@Grumblevolcano I always just assumed that Astro Bot would remain exclusive as PlayStation itself is so core to its identity.

As for the games already on PC coming to Switch 2? I just don’t see it happening as Sony, for the most part, doesn’t seem interested in bringing major IPs to other consoles. I think we’d much sooner see Xbox IP on the Switch 2.

@JaxonH Right I can relate too as it took me awhile to accept digital purchases. But it's the way the industry is going no matter how much crying you do about. I mean I get people love their physical but just to say a console is not worth it because it has digital as well while also spreading false rumors. I mean what's the point.

@Tasuki
Ya! I remember that actually! You were a very staunch supporter of physical games back in the day. As was I.

What flipped the switch for me was when I modded my 3DS to run Virtual Boy in glasses-free 3D and install the old Fire Emblem games with English translations, I learned I could dump all my physical carts to install digitally. So I did.

And ever since I had my entire shelf of 3DS games in my pocket with me, there was no going back.

I started double dipping on Switch games to buy both physically and digitally. God only knows how much money I spent doing that for the better part of a decade. Eventually I decided to make the switch full stop, but wanted a clean break.

So with Switch 2, I vowed to go digital only. Cause once you start buying physical you feel a compulsion to continue. It's hard to just stop mid-generation, where half your games are physical and half are digital.

And I'm so glad I did. Having my entire library accessible at any time without having to get up, or take cartridges out of cases and put them back in, or pack a bunch of carts to take with me, is so convenient I could never go back to physical again. I just couldn't.

@Tasuki
I've been nearly all digital since PS4 Pro & Switch. I only have like 5 physical switch games(Donut Dodo, Jim Power & the Lost Dimensions, The Ninja Saviours, TMNT: Shredder's Revenge and Batsugun), and they're not even on display, nor do I even use them since i rebought them digitally. Conveience wins. Plus I don't even display my games.

It does feel far more satisfying though to get a physical copy, as long as the cover art is great, and overall is substantial enough to make that tangability worth while, unlike PS5 physical media/game cases which are an absolute eye sore.

I'd rather go physical, if modern physical game media was more unique, attractive and substantial. As is, it typically leaves a lot to be desired. They're not even trying anymore unless you go LimitedRun.

Sigh. I'm tempted to pick up physical copies of Blazing Chrome, Curse of the Moon, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: Rita's Rewind, Rugrats Adventure in GameLand, DOOM+DOOM II, just to name a few. And i would have if they released day one alongside digitally, but most of the above receivered physical editions several months later through LRG, and are now nearly $100(CAD) a pop on eBay.

I think that digital conveience truly matters for titles like Smash Bros, Splatoon, Mario Kart & the like. Games with endless bounds of replayability vs the plenty of one and dones. But eh. I'm not preordering something, then having to wait several months to get in the mail when the digital version has already been accessible months prior. Ultimately, it's about the experience. Besides, video game physical media loses it's magic after a while. The thrill and excitment fades over time, and you ask yourslef, do i really need this stuff any more? Especially if it's already accessible through digital.

Physical can be a lot of fun, but it eats up space(I don't want multiple bookcases stacked full of games _or DVD/Blu-ray/UHD spines), it's not convenient with 'modern' video game set ups compared to siting just a few feat or so away from our 25-27" CRT TV's in the late 80's & early 90's with a pile or stack of cartridges beside us all in reach along side our NES, SNES & Genesis, combined with Zero UI-stuff or loading times, and Wired in controllers that never had to be recharged.

I always used to shout to the heavens, "Physical forever" back in my mid 20's. But at 41, it's like...Whatever dude. lol Maybe if video game box art was as rad, wild, zany and creative as it was back during the NES days. Instead we get corporate bland Logo's & Banners with CGI-stock art work, legal text agreement slathered every with boring mini logo-only carts or vanilla no-frill Discs. Modern Physical video game media, in most cases, no longer feel like piece of art or treasure.

@JaxonH Yes, you can run the games on a Steam Deck, or indeed any other PC that's below the minimum specs, but you're going to have to accept levels of performance at times that are a fair bit less than the developers intended.

That might be OK for handheld PCs where practically every other modern game also has minimum sepcs above what it can offer and juggling settings and ultra-low mods is the norm, but it's probably not going to work for a console release where people would approach it with the expectations that it will be fully optimized for the hardware out of the box.

Most Switch 2 ports of AAA games so far have been handled by studios that specialize in such, and maybe Sony could approach one of those if they're interested, but it might just be that they've weighed up the pros and cons and decided against it entirely.

@Matt_Barber
Idk man, almost all those games released on PS4, which is about as powerful as a Steamdeck. I can crush all their games with my 2080 ti, which is several years outdated at this point.

Because of diminishing returns, the difference in visuals between low-medium settings and high-ultra are fairly negligible. And even then you don't need some super high end rig to run their games at high settings.

@JaxonH, you raise a lot of valid points. I can definitely see why someone would go for convenience and not having to have shelves full of physical media.

I still prefer physical media though, and I have a reason for it. The more time goes on, the less I trust tech companies to not mess with my stuff without my permission. I prefer to actually own as much of my media as possible. And because of that, I prefer to buy physical, even though for video games I was exclusively digital from 2023-2024, back when I was less paranoid about some things.

When I buy a digital Nintendo game, it is kinda just stuck in the Nintendo ecosystem. And sometimes the Nintendo ecosystem just gets randomly changed for no reason. And now that I've connected my console to the internet, and since I have refused to download the most recent update, any game I play, I have to press "start software" two different times, once for the initial warning, and second for the "data won't be saved to the cloud unless you update" warning. It's the same for any of my physical games too. Freaking pain. All of this is because I set up my Switch's internet and created a Nintendo Account so I could buy digital Nintendo games, but I refuse to update because of my slowly growing update paranoia (you can read more about that in my post in the Nintendo Switch Thread).

I'm not saying that anyone who buys digital or GKC is a bad person though. It's their money, they can spend it how they want to. Heck, I myself still buy a digital game here and there (If I manage to get my hands on a Switch 2 next year, I'll probably be getting Pokémon Gen 10 digitally because the inevitable DLC won't be on the cartridge). But I overall prefer physical simply because of my update paranoia and also slowly growing digital paranoia in general. I'm not trying to argue, I'm just throwing my hat into the ring.

@JaxonH I'm talking about the PS5 games, in case it wasn't clear. Ports of PS4 games would be a lot more feasible, but they still tend to end up a little bit more demanding and the supply of new ones dried up a few years back.

As for the 2080 Ti, that might be an older card by PC standards but it's still way more powerful than what the Switch 2 has. That's more in line with a 1050 Ti, which is only a little bit more powerful than the Steam Deck.

That's still pretty good for a handheld, of course, but I'd think that we've got to be realistic about what's possible when porting games designed with a significantly more powerful home console in mind.

Sony did, of course, put one high profile game on the Switch 1 in the case of Lego Horizon Adventures, but that's a particularly undemanding outlier. If we ever see anything on Switch 2, I'd be expecting that end of the catalogue, although the extra power of the Switch 2 ought to broaden the window a little.

@Matt_Barber
Don't get me wrong. I was never claiming any of their games would come to Switch 2 (not that I think they couldn't- every game ported to Steam so far could run on a NS2 with proper optimization, I just know they won't).

My comment was strictly addressing the claim that a high end PC was required.

@JaxonH @WaveBoy LOL yeah what did it for me was my PS4. Sure I bought a few digital games on my Xbox 360 but those were digital only releases but my PS4 is when I fully committed to digital only. And you know what it was for the oddest reason. Space. The last few years and especially after a house fire I thought to myself why do I have all this stuff?? Yeah having a shelf full of games is nice to show off but who am I showing them off too? Its not like I am a Youtuber and use it as set dressing. I dont have gamer club buddies over for tea and cookies to show off my collection. It just took up space and all it was was once more thing I would have to dust. Not to mention moving ugh. Then as you guys said add the convenience of just launching a game without having to get up and swap discs.

Also I will agree maybe if the games came with an awesome instruction booklet I would get it but very few companies do that if any.

I am Just now in a place in my life were digital just suits me better and I am not going to worry about the stupid stuff like what if they get delisted or some other kind of b.s.

@Buizel Perhaps, though if it was just that I would've thought Sony would've ported over more legacy titles in the gap before Ghost of Yotei is eligible for a PC port. GT7 and Demon's Souls are missing on the PS5 side and there's quite a few older PS4 games missing like Bloodborne and Infamous Second Son.

Ports to other consoles felt like targeting specifically what the platform's audience is most likely to appreciate. For example, Helldivers 2 fits right at home on Xbox alongside franchises like Halo and Gears of War. Excluding MLB The Show which is forced by MLB, I figured the next Sony port for Nintendo hardware would be something like Gravity Rush.

@Tasuki
You don't have to display your games on a shelf. (We all know this, right? lol It's not some sort of rule or anything.) I just keep all my game cases in a box in my closet, and I have 200ish Switch/Switch 2 games. Zero practical space taken at the end of the day.

I keep the actual game cartridges in these cool cases I got from Amazon. Each holds like 72 cartridges. Easy to open and find a game. Keep them right under my TV. Each is the size of a match box.

The way I see it is this: The "oh my gosh, the eShop is gonna shut down and/or Nintendo's gonna take away all my digital licenses" argument is pretty dumb. I don't think it's gonna happen, at least not any time soon and not for their biggest titles. Short of Nintendo crashing out and going out of business in spectacular fashion, they know the outrage that would occur if they ever started delisting/pulling licenses en masse.

The reason I stay physical is purely practical: If I'm gonna buy a game at launch, I have a local game store that does a 10% discount. If I'm gonna buy a game a few months later, I almost always buy used for a price pretty much the same as digital sales prices. So, I'm gonna pay pretty much the same price digital or physical... I'll just stay physical because IF I do want to trade this stuff in some day, I'll get something back. I'm under no delusions that I'm collecting appreciating goods or anything (lol), but it'll be something.

We've beaten this horse to death. Sorry lol

@rallydefault look, i understand you have your own reasons for doing physical but you really don't have to call others delusional for having other, more common reasons.

@squiddu-real
I think people who collect games in hopes that they will appreciate and garner them lots of money in the future ARE quite delusional. Unless you are amassing super-rare collector’s editions that already cost a ton up front, most game collections are not going to be producing the kinds of money YouTubers want you to believe.

Those are the only people I was calling delusional.

Fair, not sure what’s stopping them with GT7. With Bloodborne and Demons Souls I can’t quite comment as I’m not entirely sure what the arrangement with FromSoftware is. Older games seem like a good idea but Sony seems reluctant with some of these…people have been begging for Bloodborne on PS5 since launch and Infamous seems pretty much forgotten as a series at this point (no game in the series has ever been rereleased AFAIK).

I agree with Gravity Rush being a perfect candidate for Switch. Everybody’s Golf and Patapon are good indicators that Sony is willing to loan out their smaller-scale / more “Japanese” games…I’m just not expecting Horizon, TLOU, Uncharted, etc.

Seems that $450 NS2 Mario Kart bundle deal is back, this time at BestBuy, fyi. Probably the best price we'll see until next holiday season, I imagine.

@rallydefault
To add to that, selling is a pain. Making individual eBay listings, taking pics, packing and shipping out, then having a cut taken for eBay fees... I like eBay but not for selling tons of games. One or two, sure. A big ticket rare item, yes. Collection? Nightmare.

I used eBay to list a bunch of games in a lot, then baited ppl to inquire about buying more. And found a buy who lived an hour away in the Milwaukee area who said he'd buy everything. Sold him my entire Switch, DS and remaining PS4/X1 collection I hadn't yet sold for about $18k, which was about 600 Switch games, 75 DS games and 75 old cheap PS4/X1 games.

WAY less than I paid, but better than nothing too. Which is why with digital I'm much less cavalier with my purchases, knowing I'll have them forever (which actually saves money by only buying what I'm confident I'll play).

@rallydefault I have to store them somewhere and that takes space. As I said nowadays I am more of the minimalist mindset. That and like I said the convenience factor. I dont have open up a case walk across the living room, put the disc in then walk back to the sofa. I can just grab a controller press a few buttons and start playing all without have to walk about my house just to play a game. I also dont have to worry about losing or misplacing games either.

As for the selling factor I just dont because its so much of a hassle. Places like Gamestop dont give you *****, hardly worth the price of gas and like @JaxonH said selling on eBay or Facebook Marketplace or Offer Up is a hassel and often the time it takes isnt worth the time.

Its great that you enjoy physical and more power to you just for me digital is more practical.

@JaxonH Thanks for the tip. I gotta do some last minute Christmas shopping to do today. I might just head over to my local Best Buy. 😉