Topic: Nintendo Switch 2

Goddly, I don't want to wait that long at least do PreOrder sooner and wait for June 5 release.

@FishyS
Video game consoles are not exempt unfortunately. They're categorized differently than computers and smartphones.

Nintendo is facing real trouble but Sony is facing Armageddon. To my knowledge, all PS5s are produced in China. So they have no alternative country to divert stock to the USA from while using Chinese stock to supply other countries like Nintendo is reportedly doing.

We're talking $1250 PS5 and $1700 PS5 Pro if they dont absorb any of the cost. Even if they absorbed half of it (which is unrealistic since it would still be an additional $400 cost to them just for base PS5, and they'd STILL need to pass on the other half to the consumer), we're looking at $800+ PS5 and $1200+ PS5 Pro.

Their install base may never reach 100 million. They should spend the rest of the generation moving a large chunk of production out of China so PS6 doesn't cost $2000 (next gen console won't be cheaper than the $700 PS5 Pro and thats BEFORE tariffs)

I'd give it 6-8 months. After that, even if Switch 2 shoots up $100, it's still going to be the cheapest console on the market BY FAR.

@JaxonH How many PS5s are already in circulation in the US though? If there's already millions of unsold units, then they don't need to touch the price and can just wait for the trade war to be over.

There is a school of thought that potentially prices never fully recover for any manufacturer or in any country. That’s regardless of what happens with tariffs in the US.

Everything is built on trust and once that trust is gone it’s gone. If you can’t rely 100% on your supply chains that risk needs to be priced in.

But I’m not an economist so who knows.

@IceClimbers
They said they may be good through end of year.

If this ends by then, sure. But how confident are we this will end anytime soon? And manufacturing still needs to build up stock for when that current stock runs out. Can't wait til Dec 31st when the last US PS5 is grabbed off a shelf.

I'm just saying, its a notable possibility.

Made the mistake of opening Reddit and there's a hugely popular thread there doing a whole "Nintendo confirmed $90 games on Switch 2". With much headless turkeys running around doing the whole "Nintendo fans will defend anything" dance

But then you click through to the article and it's BotW Switch 2 edition. When you buy it retail not taking advantage of it's inclusion in NSO+. And you buy this 8 year old game physically new at the full RRP. And you buy all the DLC. And I'm sitting back thinking "well, there's a reason I'm not outraged over this. I already have it"

Imagine if people applied the same logic to other games. You'd very rapidly discover games significantly more expensive if you added up the non discount price of games plus every single DLC

This is why I don't social media

@skywake Yeah, I hate how people act like you "have" to buy the dlc, cause you don't. It's honestly the strangest thing I've seen people upset over with the Switch 2. (And if you think reddit's bad with this stuff, YouTube is somehow worse. Both creators and people leaving comments have spread crazy amounts of misinformation.)

@IceClimbers I haven't got round to those 2 yet but can tell they'd be even better with mouse controls. The possibilities are endless. With Joy-con having so many features, the Switch 2 could be the best place to play games that would normally be better on PC.

The new Commandos game is a good example. With a mixture of buttons, gyro, touchscreen and mouse controls with haptics for gun fire and explosions, the Switch 2 port will surely be the one to play... Although it's not been announced yet, so I'm getting ahead of myself.

@skywake People are absolutely looking for any reason to destroy the Switch 2 and Nintendo before the thing launches. They failed with the Switch and so are trying again. It’s all part of the console war thing and this desire they’ve had since Sega went third party for Nintendo to do the same. Not that any of them would buy Nintendo games, they just want to “win” the console wars.

@FragRed After reading some of the comments under Digital Foundry videos or on some other channels, the console war is definitely still alive for a lot of folks. Some of the comments are infuriating, like "Comparable to Series S? LMAO. It's a Fisher Price toy FFS", or "If you pay $500 for a console with 2015 graphics, you are a mug.". I'm tempted to reply but then I'll be just as guilty for keeping this nonsense going.

Personally I still think that it's good to criticize Nintendo for not making the switch 2 version of BotW the definitive version with the DLC included on the cartridge. Especially given that it's an 8 year old game and how it lost value with Tears of the Kingdom being it's superior.

If they're charging 70 for the Switch 2 version of BotW, then the DLC should've been included. I'm not saying that this is a "Nintendoomed" moment, given that Nintendo is still going to sell systems (provided they don't raise the price of the system). I just don't think that the whole "Well, it's optional content!" argument holds up when you consider how old the game is, and how much the price will round to if you want the full experience. Even if it's optional, it's still content that enhances the game. Especially with some of the quality of life features introduced in the Expansion Pass in the first place.

@OorWullie These same people get upset when you compare PS5 graphics with a PC because despite their love to look down on “inferior graphics” etc they hate being told their “toy” is inferior to a gaming PC. But these people don’t really play games. They just argue.

@OorWullie Yeah, idiots like that aren't worth your time. No point in engaging with them as they're never going to listen to reason anyway.

The discourse around Switch2 is pretty fascinating I think.

Nintendo seem to have essentially provided the fanbase with nearly everything that was asked for - a sleeker and more powerful version of the existing model. Aside from hall-effect joycons, and perhaps a more customisable UI, I’d say Nintendo have pretty much aligned their offering with the community’s ’wish list’.

Whilst everyone’s individual economic situation is hugely personal, I wouldn’t necessarily consider the cost of the Switch2 as ‘over-priced’ albeit yes it certainly is expensive. But what were people honestly expecting? For all the power this thing packs, 400 £GBP was pretty much was unexpected. I’d say that the software prices are far more contentious, eg MKW (!), but even then - there’s always an argument for the breadth of content within.

Gaming is not a cheap hobby, especially if you want to indulge in the latest/current hardware and software.

The BOTW sales price for the Switch2 version, less DLC, is probably a bit more outrageous…. But I see this as more of an exercise in pushing consumers to buy in to the NSO eco-system (makes sense to buy original Switch1 BOTW and get an annual subscription for NSO, which gives free S2 upgrade + all the other bells/whistles included in NSO)

Let’s remember that Nintendo are a business, and all businesses have financial targets to attain etc. The Big 3 all have had ‘their moments’ in regards to pricing structures, but overall I’d argue they all offer terrific output. MKW is sure to be a banger of a game, and software increases were/are always going to happen (I’d wager GTA 6 to be the first 100£GBP game)

Maybe just an internet echo chamber, but the constant bemoaning of the S2 pricing is just a bit strange… were people honestly expecting a launch price much below 400£GBP??

@VoidofLight
I think you could make a good argument for the BotW DLC not being worth what they charged for it. Especially so many years down the line. And I think you could well make an argument that not having a "Nintendo Selects" or DLC bundled version of BotW 8 years down the line isn't a good thing

But even with that being a good argument I think it's still fair to say bundling the price of all of the DLC is still disingenuous. It'd be like adding up all the Street Fighter 6 DLC and the full non-sale RRP or doing the same for any other game. I mean yeah, if you buy all the DLC in games and don't get them on sale they're significantly more than the regular price of a base game. Big shock

It's nothing but outrage farming

I think for me it’s more so just kind of a ‘huh’ moment to see people online treat so many of the things on the Switch 2 as a new thing that Nintendo is doing.

Like the BotW pricing is a valid criticism, it’s just not surprising if we follow how Nintendo typically prices their games, especially on the Switch 1. The predecessor to their upcoming console

The high price of accessories is also not all surprising if we remember just how expensive a lot of accessories for the Switch 1 were, and still are. The Switch 1 dock was priced at 90 USD at launch and stuff like their pro controller were released at higher prices than their competitors. You can even look up tons of threads on Reddit complaining about the accessory prices.

The Key-Card thing is largely the same as how many third party devs would release Switch 1 games with only a minimal amount of data on the cartridge and you were required to download the rest to get it to even work.

The biggest point was definitely the jump to 80, that was unexpected, but the rest are not new directions for Nintendo. Which isn’t to say people can’t criticize them. Like a lot of the practices are obviously irksome for many.

It just comes off as manipulative to treat so many of these practices as something new that is demonstrative of some drastic shift in Nintendo with the Switch 2. How quickly people forget so much controversy from the Switch 1:

I would say that this is a completely expected direction for Nintendo, except the 80 dollar thing, that caught me off guard.

Honestly it makes me think the success of the Switch is somehow still understated. I think you could make the case, the most obvious being certain Pokemon games, that there are points where Nintendo should've done worse, and if they had, the pricing might've been better off. You rarely get a great deal from Nintendo (though I do question the difficulty of getting one from retailers, since I basically found 50 dollar TOTK a month after launch without even really trying), they avoided the normal standard of any type of price drops, even for the console or greatest hit versions of the games (which I think they should have, I'd have bought a 20-30 dollar release of certain first party games I don't currently own), barring their bare minimum and temporary 30% off eShop deals (watching publishing for SE games switch back to SE from Nintendo and immediately get good sales is hilarious btw). I'm undecided how much of this is Nintendo getting away with something and how much of it is Nintendo avoiding success for its b-tier games.

Wind Waker is a perfect example of the opposite. I got OOT + Master Quest for free for preordering Wind Waker because Gamecube wasn't doing great and I got Wind Waker HD for free for buying Mario Kart 8 early because Wii U wasn't doing great. Switch did amazing no matter what they did, so it makes sense Nintendo doesn't feel the need to throw their audience a bone (except, arguably and ironically...Wind Waker) and as long as they aren't a psychotic microtransaction company and the games' quality are still there, they can do whatever.

But I do question how long before Nintendo is just another upper class only hobby, particularly when you get past their biggest games. I want all the success in the world for some of Nintendo's mid-tier franchises, but I question how possible that can even be at this rate.

I'm going to have to put my hand up here.

Now my TV is a humble 1080p. What with all the talk of 4K, 1440p and 120Hz...what kind of monitor do I need for the Switch 2 to get the most out of it? This might be a good article for Nlife to discuss.

I'm worried about that too. I am surprised some of the new games seem to default to 4K and I'm worried they won't look great on my old TV but I also can't buy both a Switch 2 and a new tv anytime soon.

@FishyS Don't get me wrong, Nlife have a while to write the article as I will need to save up lol. But it would be nice to know what I'm saving up for. I mean, do games that aren't 4K look weird on a 4K TV? Does 1440p look alright on a 1080? Do I need a 120Hz screen for HDR (or whatever it is that uses it.) I have a ton of questions and lots of uncertainty. I guess graphics matter now lol.